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 AJ Out
Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:26

Dire.
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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:30

Indefensible.
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:32

Get him to french connection. Absolutely dire.


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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: parsmanjim  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:33

We are stuck with him now ! Would love to have had John Robertson or Jim Duffy !

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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:36

Falkirk weren’t stuck with Hartley - we should be no different.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:36

That 2 year contract looking like shrewd business now.

Awight Pat!
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Row_ZZ  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:37

Exactly. There's no more excuses. Out.


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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Parsdaft  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:37

Not time to panic just yet,
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: rikaka  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:39

Get rid. Absolute ***** today and it's happened to often in the last 3 campaigns
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Row_ZZ  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:41

Pragmatic not panic.


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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:41

So, are we going to defend this?
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Scrimmers249  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:42

Should never have been given the new contract in the first place. Shocking decision.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Row_ZZ  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:43

Anyone defending this absolute shoite and saying things like "don't panic" or "give it time" is clueless. We are regressing every week and conceding far too many goals. The buck stops with the manager.


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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:44

should have signed a right back and a pacey centre half and stuck to a 442.

352 doesn’t work unless you have the players. We have players like durnan......

Just sitting here drenched in my own negativity!
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: parsloyal98  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:44

Absolutely no excuse. Bought all these players to try a new system and it’s spectacularly backfired

We love Dunfermline We do!
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:45

Doesn't know how to build a squad. The heart/fan favourites consistently shipped out or don't want to play for us. Geggan, Falkingham, Moffat, Cardle, Morris, Talbot.

Team is soft and zero tactics.

Long, long season ahead.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: GG4  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:45

Enough is enough for me too. Should ever have been given a new contract.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Scrimmers249  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:47

Should have built on the team that over achieved last season, instead he destroyed it and we have taken a massive step backwards
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:48

Yip, go to go unfortunately. 3-0 to a terrible Inverness team and constantly sticking with this 3-5-2 just shows how bad a manager he is. We have a decent squad but he just doesn’t know what to do. We’ve went from having a solid defence last season to one of the worse ones now.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:49

Our board are culpable, the two year contract was a travesty. They are not beyond criticism, AJ improved us the past few seasons however his deficiensies were there to see.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: WheelKing99  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:50

Utterly clueless! AJ must go .

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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: GG4  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:51

Big Boos there!
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Mon-pa  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:52

Can we have Duffy please

ARTY
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Boston Red Sox  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:54

Neilson


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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Mon-pa  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:55

Anyone. There is still time to save the season.

ARTY
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:56

There’s no defending him now. Get Robbie Neilson in before we are further embarrassed.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Scrimmers249  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:56

The problem is who replaces AJ? It's the same candidates as always. Robbie Neilson?? No thanks. Jim Duffy? Hell no. John Hughes?? Shoot me now
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Swisspar  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:56

Leslie Nielson? At least we can have a good laugh!
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: obiwanyouknowme  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:57

Get him out and all the haddies he brought in. Devine, Durnan nowhere near good enough
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: EastEndBoy  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:58

Quote:

parsmanjim, Sat 1 Sep 16:33

We are stuck with him now ! Would love to have had John Robertson or Jim Duffy !


Wow. Utterly woeful post. Even if it's trolling.

...ken?
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: cheshire par  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 16:59

AJ IN!

Brought some great players into the squad but it's not working yet. Managers, like players, need to learn about new players fitting into the squad. We will get there.

Look at the dip we had last season yet we still ended up in the play offs. Maybe we are getting our bad spell out of the way first.... COYP
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:01

**** up and support the team

c'mon the pars
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:01

Its sad to say but i am starting yo becfor AJ to move on .I have supported him all througb but he has no tactical solutions to change a game .
Everyone has seen that our defence is weak but he hasnt done anything .
Apart from longridge who is streets ahead of any other defender .
Putting ashcroft at right back sums up the lack of tactical knowledge .
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:02

All of the above who turned down Falkirk what makes you think they will touch us ?

c'mon the pars
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:04

Anyone wanting AJ as manager anymore needs their head looking at, mans a ****** clown, absolutely clueless about how to set a team up and those subs today ffs, get rid now and get a manger in that has a clue, AJ actually thinks Durnan is a football player ffs he couldn’t get a game at kelty hearts



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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: RMGpar  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:07

We must have the slowest defence in the league. Ashcroft doesn’t look half the player he was without Morris next to him.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:07

Its still early in tve season however you cannot afford too many games like tgese. Defensively we are poor obviously. Needs a bit of work and nowhere near good enough. I think you should stick to what you know best, play football and let the other team worry. You can overthink systems and formations. At the end of the day its about getting 11 individuals to play together as a team. Good teams play to their strengths. Too much change too quickly results in performances such as today.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: macaroon  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:08

Dont see any great players in this team to be honest. We are stuck with AJ now. Who I feel sorry for are all those fans who were were deluded enough to put money on this team to win promotion, live and learn folks.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:15

Get him out now. Fed up of this *****. Tactics were absolutely insane today! Defensively we are all over the place, teams look likely to score every single time they go forward
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: theweepar  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:16

Tonight with no delay. Sh*t. Utterly sh*t.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: hamepages  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:16

The second worst defensive record in all four Scottish leagues - only the dreadful Albion Rovers have conceded more - surely says it all. Signing two forwards and yet another midfielder on the final day when we were clearly screaming out for a strong defender was a crazy decision. Sorry but I just can’t see thremember s current squad turning it round.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:25

Pretty p*** poor, left as soon as the third went in.

Other than Hippo hitting the bar we did practically nothing and ICT just picked us off.

Was truly honking. AJ has to sort this out and quickly, he's gone on and on about aiming for promotion and being lucky to have so many options, means naff all if you fail to use them correctly.

Faiss up top on his own doesn't work, he looks like a rabbit lost in the headlights.

Defensively we were a disaster, special mention to Ashcroft, think that's one of the worst performances from him that I've personally seen.

Durnan and Devine equally mince, goes to show that signing other clubs cast offs isn't always a smart move.

Credit only really goes to the Longridges for me, Louis was everywhere first half and between him and his bro, were the only ones that looked like they were genuinely trying.

Funny how it all changes wasn't long ago folk were on about betting on us winning the league.

Anyhow rant over and now trying to put into perspective if I can, we've had arguably the toughest run of fixtures.

Dundee Utd, Ross County and Inverness, the first two heavily invested and Inverness who were on fantastic form end of season last year.

Then happen to come across Ayr who were on fire (until today).

It's proven that we can't compete with them at the moment and playoffs is our only goal this year.

Alloa at home would be a good start to pick up some points, we don't win that then yes...AJ for me has to go.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:27

And paying money for another striker when it’s not something we need.

It’s like deja vu, will aj ever learn?

Just sitting here drenched in my own negativity!
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Sierra Nevada  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:33

There were folk applauding that at the end believe it or not.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:35

I think they were applauding Higgy who did make an effort and applauded the fans.

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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:36

Quote:

Berkey, Sat 1 Sep 17:27

And paying money for another striker when it’s not something we need.

It’s like deja vu, will aj ever learn?


It is something we needed. What we had wasn't doing it.

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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:38

I said that I had got my opinion on AJ as a manager wrong at the start of the season. To date I have only been to the Ross County game. That was pretty bad and things have only got worse. Personally I don't think that we can sack him, it would be too expensive, hopefully he will jump ship I he doesn't get it right soon.

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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:39

Who brought in the players that 'weren't doing it'?
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: The Boss  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:45

Should have been out last season during that terrible spell. Hasn’t got a clue!

I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:45

He's just brought in more new players. Lets see what he has in mind.

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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: daviepars1885  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:47

Maybe a reason why McIntyre turned down Falkirk aj out that was fecking woeful
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: The Boss  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:47

I’d happily take McIntyre back than watch anymore of that.

I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: WheelKing99  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:49

What I witnessed today was a team that don't know what to do. This is AJ 100%. Tactically he has not got a clue . At least when he played 442 he knew what he was doing . Now he trying to play the 352 nonsense that clearly does not work. And as for Faz??? Send him back to Dundee . Shocking

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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:54

I applauded Higgy off as he played well. Can't be bothered booing. The players knew they were poor today.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:56

Aye parrot that prob what aj said before spending the money on Ryan.

Let’s not dwell on past mistakes though, he’s busy repeating them in the present.

Just sitting here drenched in my own negativity!
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: NikNakPar  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 17:58

He has to go. Williamson would have been as well at home today. He made 1 run I think. Higgy must start livened it up when he came on. The 3 at the back is just not working. As said elsewhere decent squad but AJ is not getting the best out of it.
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Topic Originator: gegganpar  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:01

Quote:

da_no_1, Sat 1 Sep 17:54

I applauded Higgy off as he played well. Can't be bothered booing. The players knew they were poor today.


Me too!!!

Don't boo anyway...players know when they've been mince.

J angus blacklaws
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: hudza  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:02

Players don’t have a clue what they are doing. Hippo isn’t a striker, doesn’t have a clue what he should be doing. Back 3 are rotten. Get back to 4-4-2
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Topic Originator: theweepar  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:06

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hudza, Sat 1 Sep 18:02

Players don’t have a clue what they are doing. Hippo isn’t a striker, doesn’t have a clue what he should be doing. Back 3 are rotten. Get back to 4-4-2


Hippo is rank rotten
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Big T Par  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:13

Can't believe how we've went from playing so well against the top Scottish team at the mo, to where we are now, in just three weeks 😢

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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: RMGpar  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:13

From what I have seen from under 20s I would put Morrison in at the back before Durnan / even ash right now
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:13

Hippo’s main attribute is his embarrassing dives. Guaranteed at least 2 a game.

Just sitting here drenched in my own negativity!
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Pars Athletic  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:17

He has to go. Season upon season we have the same unbalanced squad. I think the reason he doesnt make subs is because he has no idea to change a game. I dont think he ever has changed a game in our favour with his subs. We will NEVER go up with him in charge
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: 1985Par  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:21

In a week where he adds a midfielder and a striker to a squad ( with plenty of midfielders and strikers) we have a centre back playing at right back. ????
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:21

Muirhead could prove to be a good foil for Fais? I have to say I'm not a fan of Hippolyte and he may struggle for a game once Muirhead gets his match fitness?

Higgy did well when he came on and has to start next week.

The biggest problem today was the amount of cheap possession we gave away. It meant we were never able to dominate for spells and build up any momentum.
The back three were guilty but I also thought Thomson was a big culprit, often when under no real pressure




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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:23

I'm not the manager's biggest fan, as posters will know, but to call for his head now is mental.

He needs to be given time. He will know as well as the fans, that he has to change that system as, currently, it's square pegs in round holes




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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:23

We should have got rid of him at the end of last season, I and many others said so at the time, instead the board gave him a two year deal. I hope there is a clause that he can be bulleted at the end of this season if final league position is unsatisfactory.

Players come and go. Managers come and, go but the club and we the fans will always be here.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:24

I think he knows perfectly well what's wrong. Defence will be changed. Hopefully Beadling will be back soon and Martin will be like a new signing when he returns.

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Topic Originator: 1981par  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:27

Sorry to break it to everyone but the chairman gave him a 2 year deal.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:28

I agree to a certain extent but whose fault is that? He seems to have signed players based on 3-5-2 with no cover for either full back, no real cover at centre half bar Martin and possibly Beadling (I'd always have him in the midfield) and no real wingers since the go backs are meant to provide the width. Even if we went to 4-4-2, we'd have 2 very slow centre halves, no wingers but plenty of neat and tidy central midfield options, and no real obvious strike partnership.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Glidder  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:36

Could have told you all this back in June AJ hasn’t got a clue couldn’t pick his nose never mind a player!! Chairman clueless as well for even considering giving him another contract 😂😂...should have sacked AJ a long time ago way back in November December time he had quality players last season and never played them ..absolutely useless manager management skills and people skills A big fat 0
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Ianoappar  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:38

Defence lack of pace exposed when we were chasing the game,no structure or method to our play.,Higgy made a difference when he came on,how Williamson misses him when Higgy doesent start.Manager clueless leading to players not knowing what to do.
All in all a shambles.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Sierra Nevada  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:39

His botch job of putting a defence together is just the same as last years midfield botch up. Had enough of it to be honest.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: wulliepar57  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:44

We better get used to getting beat !!!
Any scout from other teams watching will see we have absolutely no pace at the back !! and will exploit us with putting pacy forwards against us
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:48

To think we let young Smith go out on loan then take another relatively unproven forward to us on loan.

I'm not seeing the logic.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Swifty  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:55

Is it too early to be thinking about sacking the management team? We are 4 games in to the season.

But there is no doubt there can be no excuses for our abysmal start to this campaign. Do we give them a few games to turn it around. Another thought can we afford a severance payment.

In my view we should NOT have offered a new contract. Hindsight is a great think!
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:57

"He seems to have signed players based on 3-5-2 with no cover for either full back, no real cover at centre half bar Martin and possibly Beadling (I'd always have him in the midfield) and no real wingers since the go backs are meant to provide the width. Even if we went to 4-4-2, we'd have 2 very slow centre halves, no wingers but plenty of neat and tidy central midfield options, and no real obvious strike partnership"

and it was screaming out in the final week of the window to bring in a defender or 2 and a striker what did he do? a midfielder and 2 strikers. even if they did sack him which they wont, a new manager would look at this squad and go what has he done!
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 18:58

All of the above is everything wrong in modern day football only a few games in sack the manager and all the rest of it when will people accept this isnt a option. It's also 99.9% not going to happen so why keep going on about it every time we loose a game. Before someone says it I'm definitely not a happy clapper but it's time to face the music that when we became fan owned every decision became X10 more important. I'm happy that I still have a team to support week in week out some of the nonsense flung from the stands today was unbelievable.

c'mon the pars
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 19:03

That's a nonsense post. There have been managers bumped already.

But if these performances don't bother you so be it, but many fans are sick to their stomach at supporting a team and getting little pleasure back.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: parsloyal98  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 19:08

Livi sacked Kenny Miller after 2 games, in the 2 games under a new manager 2 wins 🤔🤔🤔

We love Dunfermline We do!
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 19:09

When in my post did I say today didn't bother me? Simply put we cant sack him and bring in a better replacement pure and simple as that if you actually read my post I think you'll find it more than covers my feelings on the situation.

c'mon the pars
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 19:10

I think you'll find livi never sacked him he left due to the restrictions the board was putting forward

c'mon the pars
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 19:16

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6077887/Kenny-Miller-sacked-Livingston-refusing-playing-career.html
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 19:19

can claim "we cant" but there will be a point if this continues that "we must".
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 19:21

How must we I didn't see anyone saying that after the hearts game or Dundee united game 2 bad games and people are having meltdowns.

c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 19:22

IF THIS CONTINUES...…………….
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 19:27

Stubbornness seems to be his downfall. There's nothing wrong with wanting a new system but it has to be flexible to take the opponents into account.
It seems to me the players just don't seem to be able to play this way.
Just for once AJ needs to put his hands up and admit he got things wrong.

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Topic Originator: rossmcno1  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 19:40

Raymie as usual nails it. CNt go blaming the defence all the time on its own. We lost possession so many times today it was unreal in midfield and nothing stuck up top.



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Topic Originator: Sierra Nevada  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 19:41

''How must we I didn't see anyone saying that after the hearts game or Dundee united game 2 bad games and people are having meltdowns.''

We've been soundly beaten in our last 3 league games and it managerial decisions to blame. Clearly he must go if this continues.

It not a couple of unlucky defeats we're taking about. I think you are under playing how bad we've been with his 3-5-2 and the mess at the back and non-existent creativity.

Either he swallows his pride and re-writes his plans on how we play or he goes. It can't stay the same.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 19:49

It we can't afford it as I've said above

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Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 19:50

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Date: Sat 1 Sep 18:17

He has to go. Season upon season we have the same unbalanced squad. I think the reason he doesnt make subs is because he has no idea to change a game. I dont think he ever has changed a game in our favour with his subs. We will NEVER go up with him in charge


Correct. He signs some really good players for our level but cannot gel them into a team.

Said it before and I will say it again.....the most tactically naiive manager in the league.

I did say yesterday that I was quietly optimistic after the recent signings. Not so sure now.

Three games to turn it around or he should be booted...along with his “ assistant “
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Topic Originator: parsloyal98  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 19:54

We can afford to sack AJ FFS. Every club can ultimately afford to sack their manager

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Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 19:56

Embarrassing folk thinking we canny afford to sack a manager yet we can pay fees for players, folk must be ****** deluded
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 19:57

We've forked out money for Ryan and Muirhead in recent times. There's money there.

Board won't want to use it to sack the manager, but they will be able to should the situation get worst.

Personally AJ still has a good few games in him before he's strictly on the shoogly peg.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 20:17

To sack him and Clark and bring in 2 better replacements not going to happen I'm afraid

c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: JimMcDAFC  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 20:20

Was AJ offered the 2 year deal after the Inverness play-off match last season which we were very very fortunate to get the draw we needed. If that was the case if we had not managed that result would he still be here. Just a thought cos it's a funny old game. Today the players looked very unsure of what their respective roles were in the team and the 3 central defenders, well for reasonably big players they were so easily brushed of the ball it was pathetic. Whether it is the system they are being asked to play or not it needs to be sorted out quickly,at the moment there is very little balance in the team. Was a bit better when Higgy came on. Just to early to sack the manager but I have always had my doubts about his man management skills or lack off.
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Topic Originator: Parallel Lines  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 20:29

Lose to Alloa and he will have to go.

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Topic Originator: petrie_pants  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 20:29

Bring back Jimmy Mac!

AJ can take Fais and Hippo with him.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 20:33

Can't sack him weeks into a 2 year contract. Plenty of time to get things right...It's gonna be a cut throat league
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Topic Originator: kennymac  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 20:34

Allan Johnston is a great manager for us. I've always thought Dunfermline are lucky to have him. 3 league losses doesn't change that. Calling for him to be sacked at this stage of the season is laughable.
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Topic Originator: The Boss  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 20:38

It’s the fans who will ultimately decide what happens to AJ. Once the fans start to dwindle, that’s when decisions will have to be made.

That’s football I’m afraid. There is plenty of decent managers out there who could put this club in a better position.

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Topic Originator: Sierra Nevada  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 20:40

Aye, let just keep waiting for him to ''get it right'' again.

He generally messes up good work from the previous season, then we spend half a season rectifying his fck ups.

He's got a two year deal now, so it looks like the board are happy with this recurring failure followed by a good run at the end of the season to make up for it. We'll never get promoted like that though.
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Topic Originator: WheelKing99  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 20:48

Folk saying 4 games in and sacking the manager is daft ... aye ok.. he's been here 4 seasons and it's coming to an end . The guy is tactically naive. I was called a plamph earlier fae resident roaster and .net ersepipe rasta for pointing out exactly what was going to transpire. When I seen the team sheet I knew we were doomed . He picked pretty much the same team that had got hosed aff county and Ayr. He's out his depth and needs to go. Let's get a whip round and see the clown off .

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Topic Originator: Pars Athletic  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 21:21

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red-star-par, Sat 1 Sep 20:33

Can't sack him weeks into a 2 year contract. Plenty of time to get things right...It's gonna be a cut throat league


We can sack him. Problem is the board wont as they have just given him the deal. He should never have been given a 2 year deal a year at most, but personally i wouldnt have given him a new deal. Its square pegs and round holes hippo is never a striker, putting centre half at right back he is trying to shuffle the pack hoping something will click. Today reminded me of the QOS game last season where it all started to go tits up and people started to call for his head. He is so inept tactically every season we have one quarter where we are stinking and pick up very few points. We wont pick up 10 points this quarter and to be honest it doesnt look like improving. So if you are content with this and finishing bottom half of the league then so be it but a better manager would have us challenging for the title. I have said it before AJ will never get us promoted.
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Topic Originator: North Wales Par  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 21:31

I think we need to play the first quarter and see where we sit we must win more than we lose. I think we have played all the top teams so let's see where we sit then.
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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 21:34

I always felt after losing the nucleus of last season's team it was going to be a 2 year project to go back up so I do have an element of sympathy for the manager. In my opinion we were never going to challenge this season with the player turnover we had, a newly assembled team and against more established sides. I make it only 4 players who started today that played in the last play-off game.

There is a feast or famine attitude on here in the main. A couple of weeks ago loads of folk were saying we were going to win the league and now it's get the manager out. I'm somewhere in the middle of those trains of thought.

I was delighted when we got Beadling signed up and thought he could be the main man for us this season so he's been a big miss.

By all accounts some of his signings this season have been our better performers(The Longridges for example).

Most of the things the manager has tried had been suggested by the majority of fans before he tried them. Last season he was accused of being too rigid with the 4-4-2 formation, he changes it(it hasn't worked so far) but then all the after timers come on questioning why he is playing 3-5-2. Loads of fans were all over us re-signing FEB(I wasn't one of them) and now there are folk questioning why we signed him. The reality is he doesn't know his best team or formation yet and why would he given he hasn't seen half of the players play with each other. The sooner he get's that sorted the better or he could pay the price.

There are obviously problems at the back currently and so far I feel he deserves some scrutiny for that but last season we had a great defensive record so it's something that can be turned around-players not being familiar with each other doesn't help that.

If we hadn't have been given a bad decision with a red card that was rescinded in the first leg off the play-offs last season we might have been promoted-it's small margins.

I do think the board have backed him so there can be no excuses in that sense. I will be looking for signs of progress and at the very least all the players running themselves into the ground and playing for the jersey.

In short I understand some of the criticism the manager is receiving and some of it is justified but I believe there are extenuating circumstances for at least part of it.
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Topic Originator: 1981par  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 21:56

Scraped in the play offs last season in a poor league. League is much tougher. I would take a mid table finish
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 22:13

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1981par, Sat 1 Sep 21:56

Scraped in the play offs last season in a poor league. League is much tougher. I would take a mid table finish


Think top six is achievable, don't think we'll drop to a playoff place though.
Should have gone after the QoS game at Xmas
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Topic Originator: Parsdave  
Date:   Sat 1 Sep 22:59

The problem is that AJ only has limited connections. Examples of bringing in ashy and splaine from killie, or suddenly we bring in 2 hearts loanees after the cup tie.

However, the muirhead signing was mostly to do with Craw from what i hear.

We need someone who is willing to make calls, network, have experience, have contacts and take us to that next level. Jack Ross and Alex Neil were a fine example of what managers at our level should be doing.

As much as I wouldn’t want to be in Falkirks position 4 games, 4 defeats. I’d take McInnon or even Duffy in a heartbeat. Hipposhyte should have been subbed before half time and f£ck knows how durnan is a footballer.

I love the pars, but that was painful today.ok

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Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 02:47

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The Boss, Sat 1 Sep 20:38

It’s the fans who will ultimately decide what happens to AJ. Once the fans start to dwindle, that’s when decisions will have to be made.

That’s football I’m afraid. There is plenty of decent managers out there who could put this club in a better position.


Name them then, who?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 06:33

Parathletic, far too sensible and balanced a post for this forum.

Yesterday was a sore one for all Pars fans, especially for those of us who were there, made worse by the knowledge that we won the corresponding fixture last season 5-1.

It won't have been much fun for the players and the management team either - they hate losing, too. They know that both the result and performance are unacceptable and it's the manager's job to get it sorted, otherwise he will walk, 2 year contract or not.

A lot has been made of the formation and tactics, as if they alone are responsible for the result. Most fans agree that the Championship is a very competitive league and there's not much between any of the teams, even if any team can finish well beaten on the day, as we were yesterday and last week. Yesterday, Hippolyte fluffed his lines when he was one on one with their goalie - 2 mins later ICT opened the scoring. Had Hippolyte scored, we might have gone on to win the game. Statistically, the teams who score first go on to win 60% of games.

First and foremost, AJ will have to address the defensive issues which have seen us leak far too many soft goals. How he does that is up to him - that's what he's paid for. The league table doesn't make good reading, but there's a long way to go, so we have time to turn things around, but the fans - myself included - will want to see it sooner rather than later.



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Topic Originator: Hummingbird Harry  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 06:39

Scary to think everyone is laughing at Falkirk yet they’re only a win away from us
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 07:19

A couple of victories and we can find ourselves mid table. The game against Boreamwood is massive now. I thinks we should revert back to 4-4-2 as it done us so well the last few season. Nothing wrong with AJ trying new formation but he must realise it’s not getting us the correct results. Not even close. I’m puzzled to how we performed so great against Dundee, UTD & Hearts.
Going forward we need to have Higgy on from the start of the game. I know some guys like giving him pelters, but I’ve always rated him & loved his enthusiasm. You always get the impression he’s really trying to achieve something in the game & make a difference.
FEB needs the ball played into his feet so I’d have Williamson or Higgy getting up the wing & getting ball in quick & low.
A goal draw or victory against boreham wood should instill a bit confidence and we can build from there.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 08:37

There are still 32 games to go, so there is time to put things right, but the issues need to get sorted out fairly quickly, so we don't fall too far behind the clubs chasing promotion. Getting our injured players back would be a great boost, but for the moment, AJ will have to make do with those who are fit.

Good though Tom Beadling undoubtedly is, he's not the Messiah and it would be unfair and unrealistic, to expect him to turn round the team's fortunes on his own.



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Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 08:54

There are no Messiahs at our level of football and on performances like yesterday, we'd need 11 on the field, several on the bench and two to replace the coaching duo.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 09:03

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mach1, Sun 2 Sep 08:54

There are no Messiahs at our level of football and on performances like yesterday, we'd need 11 on the field, several on the bench and two to replace the coaching duo.


Well, FEB was heralded as a returning Messiah by a good number of dotnetters, but so far he's just turned out be a very naughty boy.......





Just kidding. It's almost impossible to play well when most of your team mates are playing poorly and the service is poor.



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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 09:08

It’s good enough for teams like St Mirren and Livi but not for us. We have to stick by him and hope he gets things right. Absolute tosh. Get rid of him and get someone in that can change it around.


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Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 09:39

That's what I don't get GG.

In early games we were closing down the opposition quickly all over the park.
We were playing it through the middle and on the ground to feet and not allowing opposition to settle into any pattern.

Now it's like a completely different team! So frustrating to watch.

I remember Parrot saying he put money on us getting top spot at 10-1. I also put a little money on at 9-1.
Now it looks as if we could have just thrown it down a drain.
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Topic Originator: Roger Daltrey  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 09:42

Welcome to the world of gambling. Ffs.

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Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 09:48

I'm well familiar with a gamble ffs.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 10:01

I don't think changing the manager at this point helps anybody.
Clearly AJ needs to get back to basics and play a 442 to give stability.
We've went from one of the strongest teams to a joke in just a couple of weeks so clearly something isn't right on and off the pitch.
Higgy needs to have another run in the team.
His suspension cost him his place early on but he is a good foil for Williamson and has passion for the jersey.
I'd have him in my team every week personally.

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Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 10:58

Whatever formation we start with, we have to be able to change it if it clearly isn't working and that is what AJ just cannot seem to do.
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Topic Originator: pacifist  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 11:08

Glad I was drunk yesterday. Easier to forget. AJ rarely, if ever, improves the team, invariably apart from the obvious - like bringing on higgy, who should be on from the start, invariably the more he does the worse the team gets. No more aimless high balls please. No-one else plays like that. He has to go - there are no excuses for the naivety.

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Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 13:16

I dont think with individual defensive mistakes a fairly common theme, playing 3 across the back is a sensible choice. Better to play to players strengths. Confidence and good morale is always a head start on the pitch. Its not about how good or bad players are it is about how they interact with each other on the park that matters.Systems in any organisation must be purposeful and people have to buy into it and understand their role in the system to make it work. If your system isnt working you need to change it.
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Topic Originator: The Boss  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 14:03

“Name them then, who?”


Well I’ll give you two for starters. Jim McIntyre and Robbie Neilson.

Two guys who have won this league before.

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Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 15:06

I'd bite my right hand off to get Macca back at the Pars. Misjudged the jump to the SPL but had us playing the best football I've ever seen Dunfermline play. Wingers that would rotate, a striker who could actually put it in the back of the net etc.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 15:13

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Andrew283, Sun 2 Sep 15:06

I'd bite my right hand off to get Macca back at the Pars. Misjudged the jump to the SPL but had us playing the best football I've ever seen Dunfermline play. Wingers that would rotate, a striker who could actually put it in the back of the net etc.


McIntyre was not given any money to improve the team when we went up in 2011, IIRC, so the Pars were destined to finish bottom of the SPL. That's not to say we should try to get him back, or even that he'd want to come back.

AJ is our manager and while none of the directors will be happy with 3 pts from 4 games, I don't think they're ready to push the manager's ejector button just yet.



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Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 17:17

Ultimately at what point do directors push that button in your opinion GG? If we are in bottom 2 after first round of games? In bottom 2 come January? Bottom of the league with 5 games to go? Just trying to get a handle on how bad things will need to be.

I’m not saying we should bullet him now (although I would have done it at the end of last season and said so on here at the time). I hope they are swift to act if AJ cannot arrest the decline.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 18:38

I think any manager should get one round of games at least.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 18:40

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Never10yairds, Sun 2 Sep 17:17

Ultimately at what point do directors push that button in your opinion GG? If we are in bottom 2 after first round of games? In bottom 2 come January? Bottom of the league with 5 games to go? Just trying to get a handle on how bad things will need to be.

I’m not saying we should bullet him now (although I would have done it at the end of last season and said so on here at the time). I hope they are swift to act if AJ cannot arrest the decline.


I'd only be guessing, same as you, N1OY, but think, if you've only just given the manager a new contract, are you going to sack him 4 games into the new season without a looking a bit rash or even silly? Ross McArthur and his fellow directors strike me as calm, rational men, not given to quick, knee-jerk reactions, so I doubt they would rush to sack the manager.

Having said that, if one of the bleak scenarios you've painted were to come to pass, it would certainly give them a decision to make. I'm optimistic that AJ will turn things around very quickly, starting with a win v Alloa.



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Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 18:53

The other point GG is could we realistically afford to get rid of him? Would we need to pay him up a year and a half’s wages if he wouldn’t agree to a settlement? Or could there be a clause in his contract that he would only be entitled to a certain fee?
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 19:13

''Ross McArthur and his fellow directors strike me as calm, rational men, not given to quick, knee-jerk reactions, ...''

...unlike some of the jokers who post on here.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 19:27

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Never10yairds, Sun 2 Sep 18:53

The other point GG is could we realistically afford to get rid of him? Would we need to pay him up a year and a half’s wages if he wouldn’t agree to a settlement? Or could there be a clause in his contract that he would only be entitled to a certain fee?


No, we probably couldn't afford to sack him, but (and this applies to any club) there sometimes comes a point when a club can't afford NOT to sack the manager. He may even be a good manager, but if the the players are not playing for him, he has to go.

Mourinho in his last stint at Chelsea is a case in point. He might even be heading for a repeat scenario at Old Trafford, although today's win at Burnley will have earned him a bit more breathing space. Pellegrini at West Ham is beginning to look vulnerable with 0 pts from 4 games. How many games did Crystal Palace give their manager at the start of last season? Roy Hodgson came in and steadied the ship otherwise Palace may well have gone down.



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Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 19:33

The Board has given every support with the signing of the players the calibre of Tom Beadling,Robbie Muirhead,Jackson and Louis Longridge,Feb,James Craigen and James Vincent.

The time to judge AJ and Sandy will be after we have played every club once.

I don't care about the score in Herts.I want AJ to use it to try things out.Reverting to 442 is an option.

The performances against Hearts,Dundee and Dundee Utd suggest we are not too far away.

The problem is that these players are the cream ,and you always find clots in cream.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 21:00

In my opinion the issue wasn't with 442 as such it was more the fact that there was, seemingly, no letting up and that was how we setup regardless of the opposition and it was set in stone.

Maybe not the best example but i remember a game versus Hibs where we went 442 and were getting slaughtered by Fyvie and McGinn but there was no changing it up.

Granted we got a lot more 'legs' in midfield but ironically we now look short of pace in defence; hoping Beadling may be deployed there when fit. To be fair to Durnan, Devime and Ashcroft it is a big re-adjustment to playing in a back three if they have always previously played in a flat back four all their days but so far it has been a disaster.

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Topic Originator: donj  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 21:16

I just don't really rate him as a manager,a man that looks at the next game and changes tactics to foil that side or even change tactics mid-game as the other manager has done the same to deal with his side.

Reminds me a bit of Munro who was a great coach and spotted players but not a real manager.

I'm not saying he should go,yet,but he needs to try to study how the good managers change things
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Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 21:42

He was done last season, we scraped into the play offs which saved his skin to offer a 2 year deal was absurd on the back of last season.

I wonder who is watching our opposition and feeding those observations back because it appears more and from last season onwards that other clubs do their homework on us far better than we do ours!

That is the sign of a good manager to play to our strengths to exploit the opponents weaknesses we never ever appear to do that.

We are predictable, one dimensional, slow to adapt, and usually beaten after going behind.

As an opposition manager we are easy to play and a little bit of quality and desire will beat us.

We are a poor imitation of a usual Dunfermline team, not down to the players but the way we are set up and sent out!
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Topic Originator: Clarko  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 21:44

''Ross McArthur and his fellow directors strike me as calm, rational men, not given to quick, knee-jerk reactions, ...''

...unlike some of the jokers who post on here. “

He’s currently in the process of making a complete pig’s ear of our 3rd season in the Championship. That would subsequently result in a 4th consecutive season at this level without the slightest sniff of ever challenging to win the league.

At what point does the prospect of emptying him stop becoming ‘quick’ or ‘knee-jerk’..??
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Topic Originator: WheelKing99  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 22:04

People have to remember that although AJ has only had 4 league games , he's been here for 4 seasons . In all fairness he's done ok but by this stage we should have a team capable of challenging. We are going backwards. Look at the teams in our division . Only Dundee Utd are a bigger club than us imo. AJ out... Yogi Hughes in 😜

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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 22:15

Anyone would think we were favourites to win the league. The bookies had us joint 5th favourites which was fair given the player turnover. We were never going to challenge for the title this season imo. To say he's made a pigs ear after 4 league games is ridiculous-we don't have a settled team yet.Play-offs would be a good season for us this year.
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Topic Originator: Clarko  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 22:21

parathletic wrote:

> Anyone would think we were favourites to win the league. The
> bookies had us joint 5th favourites which was fair given the
> player turnover. We were never going to challenge for the title
> this season imo. To say he's made a pigs ear after 4 league
> games is ridiculous-we don't have a settled team yet.Play-offs
> would be a good season for us this year.

I didn't say he'd made a pig's ear of it, I said he was in the process of doing so. I don't think that's an inaccurate assessment. So is that the ceiling of our expectations in this league then, revamp the team every single year coz we keep getting it wrong and then class the play-offs as an achievement..? Talk about having ambition...



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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 22:24

The perceived "size" of a club has nothing to do with their chances of success. Jesus Christ have we learned nothing?

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 22:34

It certainly shouldn't be our long term ambition but given we had 4 starters from the end of last season at the weekend it's difficult to assemble a new team in such a short period of time. Our top signing(Beadling) hasn't kicked a ball yet this season either.We lost our captain, player of the year and top scorer amongst others. Last season we got off to a flyer and then hit a bad run-hopefully this season is the reverse. I'm not trying to sugar coat the start but there are reasons for it. If we had the same team as the one that went on a long unbeaten run at the end of last season then I would be asking more questions.If there aren't signs of progress in the coming weeks and months then I will be more inclined to agree with you.



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Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 22:38

In the main the clubs with the biggest support, usually have the biggest budgets and usually have the most success, which is precisely why Celtic, Rangers, Hearts, Hibs and Aberdeen are so often top or near the top in Scotland.

In England it will be Man City, Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham.

In Spain, Barcelona, real Madrid, maybe Atletico.

In Germany it's Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund, Munchengladbach.

in Italy, Juventus, Napoli, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Roma.

It's why we are more successful than Cowdenbeath, East Fife, or Raith Rovers

And so on.

It is a fact whether we like it or not, the bigger clubs, perceived or otherwise, have the most success.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 22:44

This may come as a shock to some of you but we're not that big a club anymore. It would seem some of us struggle to comprehend this.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: donj  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 22:50

I do hope but our bad run so far has made our goal difference pretty iffy if that is what it comes down to at the end of the season.We are leaking goals like there is no tomorrow and it is hard to get the confidence up if it's a thrashing every week.

Once bad,second coincidence but third is very worrying and it needs a good manager to get a team out who can put that confidence sapping record behind them.

I do hope he can prove us all wrong but we wait to see.
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Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 22:50

Would you say we are bigger than Alloa, or Ayr United, QOS, Morton, Partick Thistle or ICT?

Livingston or Hamilton Accies or St. Mirren in the league above even.

Just asking as you seem determined to downsize us.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 22:55

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mach1, Sun 2 Sep 22:50

Would you say we are bigger than Alloa, or Ayr United, QOS, Morton, Partick Thistle or ICT?

Livingston or Hamilton Accies or St. Mirren in the league above even.

Just asking as you seem determined to downsize us.


I really don't know how the size of a club is judged. You tell me. Please don't say crowd size or I'm out.

I'm not determined to downsize us. I'm trying to be realistic. You always get your frillies in a twist about budgets and the like and bemoaning the fact we're not throwing cash about to get promotion so you must know more than me about the yellow brick road to the top flight

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 22:57

We have bigger crowds but its only recently that our crowds have got to a size where you could argue we are one of the bigger clubs. It helps when you are in a league with teams who send large crowds to your gaff.

We also have insane overheads compared to other teams around us.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 22:58

Some people have a very strange definition of failure. He won us promotion in his first season, consolidated us in the Championship in his second and we qualified for the play-offs in his third. We've also won our League Cup section in the last two seasons despite having to play a Premiership club away from hope each time. Both these achievements resulted in a financial boost for the club.

There are folk on here who never give the guy any credit at all. It was highly predictable after a dip in our form the usual suspects would be on here calling for his head. He's still being accused of being inflexible despite the fact he has tried a different system this season and, in the last two games, has switched to the old system when things have gone badly. He has also made earlier substitutions this season but he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

All this stuff about being the second biggest club in the League is embarrassing and also irrelevant when you consider Ross County have a chairman with bottomless pockets apparently.
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 23:01

Best post yet Wee Eck

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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 23:05

Topic Originator: mach1 like | nolike
Date: Sun 2 Sep 22:38

In the main the clubs with the biggest support, usually have the biggest budgets and usually have the most success, which is precisely why Celtic, Rangers, Hearts, Hibs and Aberdeen are so often top or near the top in Scotland.

In England it will be Man City, Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham.

In Spain, Barcelona, real Madrid, maybe Atletico.

In Germany it's Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund, Munchengladbach.

in Italy, Juventus, Napoli, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Roma.

It's why we are more successful than Cowdenbeath, East Fife, or Raith Rovers

And so on.

It is a fact whether we like it or not, the bigger clubs, perceived or otherwise, have the most success.


That may have been the case historically but now more than ever it's about how much money your club has and that doesn't necessarily have a co-relation to gate size.
Man City have a lower gate than West Ham for example and weren't historically successful until they changed ownership.Clubs like Notts Forest, Leeds, Sunderland,Villa and Portsmouth should be in the Premiership by that reckoning.

Size of the club in the past means hee-haw it's about the here and now.Even history tells you that we are a second tier club far more often than we have been in the top league-some folk would lead you to believe that we were a mainstay in the top division.
Ross County and ICT have both won national trophies in the not too distant past. My definition of size of the club is what you have won and the level you have operated at-nothing to do with having a bigger gate.
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Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 23:13

Well da_no_1

Firstly I don't wear frillies. Sorry to disappoint.

Secondly I don't want the club to throw money about. We don't have much to waste in any case.

I would however argue that we are a bigger club with bigger average crowds a healthy cash input from sources other than at the turnstiles, a decent history of cup achievement in the last fifteen years, a far better European history than any of the clubs I asked you about in my post above, a very decent ground with a good supporters bar, decent function suites and good hospitality deals.

All that along with pretty good sponsorship deals over the years.

For those reasons I think we are a decent sized club who get a lot of respect from various sources albeit a lot of it from our history and connections to giants of the game such as Stein and Ferguson.

I have been able to get over the disastrous Masterton era and still believe we are a respectably sized club in Scottish terms, outwith the big five I mentioned earlier.
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Topic Originator: helensburghpar  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 23:19

Another positive post from wee Eck. We could lose Five nil every week and he'd be on here defending things. Parrots another one. Not sure where the optimisim is coming from as yesterday was woeful. Don't think we should change manager yet though. Too early in my opinion.



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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 23:23

What on earth has our European history got to do with anything? It was over 50 years ago!

The recent cup history was achieved through cheating too.

Billy big baws attitude

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"

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Topic Originator: WheelKing99  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 23:26

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da_no_1, Sun 02 Sep 23:23

What on earth has our European history got to do with anything? It was over 50 years ago!

Billy big baws attitude


Wow! No quite getting it eh ?

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 2 Sep 23:28

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WheelKing99, Sun 2 Sep 23:26

Quote:

da_no_1, Sun 02 Sep 23:23

What on earth has our European history got to do with anything? It was over 50 years ago!

Billy big baws attitude


Wow! No quite getting it eh ?


Aye ok then

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 00:43

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helensburghpar, Sun 2 Sep 23:19

Another positive post from wee Eck. We could lose Five nil every week and he'd be on here defending things. Parrots another one. Not sure where the optimisim is coming from as yesterday was woeful. Don't think we should change manager yet though. Too early in my opinion.


Some of us are just a wee bit more practical and able to keep our **** together in the face of a perceived disaster. Believe me, if I think it gets to the point where action needs to be taken I will be vocal enough. As you say though, it hasn't arrived yet.

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Topic Originator: WORST  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 06:24

<<<I really don't know how the size of a club is judged. You tell me. Please don't say crowd size or I'm out.>>>
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Let's get this right then. You "don't know how the size of a club is judged" but if someone says "crowd size" then you're "out"?

If you don't know then why refuse to accept that crowd size could be a major factor? Also.. if you feel that crowd size doesn't count, then would you mind explaining why you feel it doesn't count? Because going by your logic here, no team could possibly be bigger than any other. Is that what you are saying? Are you claiming that a team with a massive income isn't a big team?

Personally I think you are...once again...talking urine, and I look forward to you either answering with more questions, or doing your usual and...once again... ignoring questions you can answer.



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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 06:53

What a state to get in at 6.24 in the morning.

I'm merely suggesting that in the grand scheme of things we're not that big a club anymore. Clubs like the highland clubs and Hamilton etc who have smaller fanbases and less successful histories have passed us by for now and just because we sell a couple of thousand more season tickets doesn't necessarily guarantee success when we meet them.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: WORST  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 07:06

As expected you've avoided the question.
If the fan base doesn't add to club size (you are so adamant about this you refuse to discuss the possibility) then name one thing that does add to making a club a perceived big club.

Just to help you here is your statement once again.

<<<I really don't know how the size of a club is judged. You tell me. Please don't say crowd size or I'm out.>>>



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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 07:16

Big crowds don't automatically bring success. I'm not avoiding any questions.

A well run club with smaller crowds can be successful.

There are plenty current examples.

I'm away to have my breakfast then off to work so if I don't reply immediately I'm not avoiding you so don't worry too much.

Enjoy homes under the hammer and judge rinder.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"

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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 07:49

A year or two ago on here, I drew up a table showing the relative position of each Scottish league team based on their final league position in each of the past 40 years. The Pars were 13th overall.
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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 08:00

So our natural position would be challenging for the title Oz?

All theses arguments got trotted out last year, the club probably can afford to sack AJ, they're probably not going to do it after four. However if Alloa were to beat us, scoring 3/4 in the process I reckon it would probably be it, possibly.

The BoD weren't that shy in shuffling JJ out once it became obvious that he wasn't going to meet the criteria for the season, I have faith they'll do the same again.

I still think giving AJ a two year contract was a mistake but no one will know the particulars of his contract and if it has a break clause, and what that clause will be. It could be that the rest of the contract gets paid up, it could be a few months, who kens.
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Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 08:07

Did that include the likes of Ross County, ICT, Livingston who weren't around professionally 40 years ago?

Timescale is also a relevant factor which could distort results.

Where would Rangers be if you covered only the last 5 years and where would we be if you extended it to 60 years?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 08:30

What was the magic formula for Livingston then? Also what changes did the Midden make to go from near relegation one season to winning the league the next?
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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 08:44

Yes Grant, that would be correct. I think too many of us rather overestimate the Pars’ status based on what was achieved in the ‘60s. In the grand scheme of things, that was a blimp in our history. Overall, we are a top end Championship type club.

In reply to mach1; clubs that weren’t here for the full 40 years were included with their number of years taken into account. As for Rangers, they obviously dropped quite a few points during their absence from the premier but not enough to affect their final position.
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Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 08:46

I understand the reason for the 2 year contract as it stops rivals around us taking our manager and in the event a big team did want him we would get a good compensation package. This was on the back of his success in the latter part of last year which did a bit of interest from other clubs.

His biggest fault for the last 3 seasons is that he has been slow to secure current squad members kept others hanging on and ultimately lost them this causes frustration within the squad then he is left playing catch up in the transfer window.

Leading to the situation we have now where all our friendlies were played with a different squad of players that we start the season with so we are now experimenting to find the best squad to play, this is now coupled with a situation where we can't afford to lose rather than playing to win, we have a lack of confidence in the team and players being dropped to try and find a formation that doesn't lose.

The players get nervous to play make mistakes the crowd get on their back.

I loved the Watford game last night the crowd were behind the team from the start, when they went 1-0 down and they willed there team to win and they did, they took chances the manager took chances that wee team mentality is the opposite of ours at the moment, but with that Watfors are buzzing full of confidence!

That is what a good manager brings to a team beside great fans!
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Topic Originator: WORST  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 08:59

Topic Originator: da_no_1 like | nolike - 1
Date: Mon 3 Sep 07:16

Big crowds don't automatically bring success. I'm not avoiding any questions.

A well run club with smaller crowds can be successful.

There are plenty current examples.

I'm away to have my breakfast then off to work so if I don't reply immediately I'm not avoiding you so don't worry too much.

Enjoy homes under the hammer and judge rinder.

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You are once again avoiding the question.
I'm not disputing that clubs with small crowds and small budgets can be successful, but I am questioning the utter urine that flows freely and unchecked from you. You do the same thing on P&B and frequently get called out for it there too.

You made this statement about crowd sizes,<<<I really don't know how the size of a club is judged. You tell me. Please don't say crowd size or I'm out.>>>

I'm asking you for a third time to explain why you think crowd size doesn't make a club bigger than other with a fraction of the crowds?

As for the "homes under the hammer, etc" that is you... once again... trying to deflect away from the fact that you've.... once again.... been outed as talking utter 💩 on here.
I await you not answering the question and simply trying to deflect this again with more wee snide comments like the homes under the hammer one. That's really your level TBH, you can't even back your own statements up.

As pointed out by many on P&B, you are totally pathetic in the way you try to come across as being righteous and knowledgeable. Even I can tie you up in knots, and I'm supposed to be the dotnet village idiot.



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Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 09:01

Have to disagree Oz.

Our "blimp in our history" as you put it affects our standing in the game just as our pretty decent cup history also does.

Another distortion over the most recent years is the disastrous for most clubs, league reorganisation into four small divisions.

Whatever your view, history cannot be disregarded, neither the good 60s, nor the poor 70s, part 80s.

For me the Pars have the potential to be a top ten club and I would hope that most fans want us to be there, without resorting to Masterton methods of trying to achieve that.

You only need to walk past our stadium to feel pride and a desire to do better than our last two results.
I know things have to be earned, but performances against the two Dundee teams and Hearts show what I believe is our true potential and where our ambitions should be aimed.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 09:26

I must apologise for being so positive but I like to restore a bit of balance to this forum which seems to attract the more pessimistic and negative members of our support for some reason.

It's weird how this has turned into an argument about how 'big' a club we are.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 09:48

I'm not getting into this ''size does/doesn't matter'' debate because nowadays, it's probably how deep the owner's pockets are which is the biggest single contributory factor e.g. Ross Co. chairman, Uncle Roy, is reportedly the 5th richest man in Scotland. That undoubtedly helped his club to reach the top flight, consolidate their place and win a trophy, before dropping down last season, but now looking like a good bet for a rapid return.

To get back on topic, I'm surprised at how many posters perceive AJ to be completely clueless and tactically one dimensional, taking no account of the opposition when setting up his team. I say this because, on the school visits, the players run through their training schedule for kids and they all say the same thing:-

Monday - light day finishing with analysis of Saturday's game.
Tuesday - hard day, with morning and afternoon(gym, legs) sessions.
Wednesday - day off
Thursday - similar to Tuesday but pm gym session concentrates on upper body.
Friday - light training finishing with analysis of next day's opponents and tactics and formation manager wants to use to counteract them.
Saturday pre-match. Team selection announced. Tactics and formation covered again.



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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 09:53

I don’t disagree with your viewpoint at all , mach1. League position is only one factor. When I was growing up, I think the general consensus among Pars fans was that the club most like us in terms of size and history was Kilmarnock.

But that was a very long time ago...

:)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 09:56

Jesus Christ Stevie it was just a wee joke. I've noticed you get a wee bit twitchy if people don't reply to you. Lighten up a bit man.

I don't agree with the rather simplistic argument (imo) that large crowds mean your a big club and should somehow entitle you to success.

That's all I was trying to say.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 10:07

Who is this "Stevie" you speak of? 😂










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Topic Originator: WORST  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 10:10

Still won't answer and still trying to deflect.

You've been outed slavering urine once again 😂



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Topic Originator: Bertiesback  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 10:34

"Jesus Christ Stevie it was just a wee joke. I've noticed you get a wee bit twitchy if people don't reply to you. Lighten up a bit man."


You needn't talk with that childish cr-p you wrote about my Happy Days post.
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Topic Originator: Bertiesback  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 10:51

I would say in Scotland the average attendance should nearly always dictate success with the given conditions.

Firstly the Club has a good manager/coach
Secondly a decent scouting system.

Managers who buck the trend are like hens teeth. McLean, Fergie, Stein, Cunningham.

I don't see AJ in that company but surely it is too early to show him the door. We need an efficient/consistent striker and we all know they are hard to find.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 11:50

''I would say in Scotland the average attendance should nearly always dictate success with the given conditions.''

They would if there were no other variables, Bertie. For example, how much money the owner(s) are prepared to put into the club, how much comes in from TV and sponsorship, how much comes in from merchandising etc. etc.

Did you know that if Bournemouth let all their fans in for free, their annual turnover would only fall by 4% ?



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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 11:59

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GG Riva, Mon 3 Sep 09:48

I'm not getting into this ''size does/doesn't matter'' debate because nowadays, it's probably how deep the owner's pockets are which is the biggest single contributory factor e.g. Ross Co. chairman, Uncle Roy, is reportedly the 5th richest man in Scotland. That undoubtedly helped his club to reach the top flight, consolidate their place and win a trophy, before dropping down last season, but now looking like a good bet for a rapid return.

To get back on topic, I'm surprised at how many posters perceive AJ to be completely clueless and tactically one dimensional, taking no account of the opposition when setting up his team. I say this because, on the school visits, the players run through their training schedule for kids and they all say the same thing:-

Monday - light day finishing with analysis of Saturday's game.
Tuesday - hard day, with morning and afternoon(gym, legs) sessions.
Wednesday - day off
Thursday - similar to Tuesday but pm gym session concentrates on upper body.
Friday - light training finishing with analysis of next day's opponents and tactics and formation manager wants to use to counteract them.
Saturday pre-match. Team selection announced. Tactics and formation covered again.


Who scouts for AJ, do you know? Not in terms of player recruitment but the week to week stuff in terms of watching and reporting back on upcoming opponents.

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Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 13:11

You're right Ozpar. Our best days were a long time ago. The team and older fans.

That's a problem for old Pars fans lol.

Unlikely to ever be up there again, but my optimism causes me to always look for the best and maybe talk us up, instead of just being thankful for having a club.

Let's hope our management can address the current poor form and the players can get their heads up quickly.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 16:15

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TAFKA_Super_Petrie, Mon 3 Sep 11:59

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GG Riva, Mon 3 Sep 09:48

Who scouts for AJ, do you know? Not in terms of player recruitment but the week to week stuff in terms of watching and reporting back on upcoming opponents.


They do have someone but I don't know who it is, TAFKA. I know that every manager also uses whatever video footage is available on the Internet. There are no secrets now, in relation to how any team plays.



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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 17:17

According to COWS the club's video analyst is Dave Honeyman but maybe he just analyses Pars' games and edits them for AJ to view.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 17:20

If that's the case GG then why did we go through the whole of last season, and the season before playing a 442, regardless of who we were playing and what players we had avaliable?

What on earth made AJ think that the 352 would work against an Inverness side playing a 442/4231 on the break?
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: DJTRUPAR  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 17:25

"What on earth made AJ think that the 352 would work against an Inverness side playing a 442/4231 on the break?"

Caley played a 433 based on the fact we were playing 3 at the back. Caley had worked on it all week.

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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 17:46

As I said earlier we are predictable.

We don't change either before or during, we have a big squad and certain players will suit certain games/opposition and also surprise teams if we change styles to exploit their weaknesses.

As for watching video highlights lazy lazy lazy!

It won't show how fast defenders track back, where they hold their line, goalkeeper positions, where goal kicks generally go, gaps left at the back when they are pressing etc etc. These can only be noted while watching a full game from the stands!
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 18:00

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Grant, Mon 3 Sep 17:20

If that's the case GG then why did we go through the whole of last season, and the season before playing a 442, regardless of who we were playing and what players we had avaliable?

What on earth made AJ think that the 352 would work against an Inverness side playing a 442/4231 on the break?


Pass........



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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 18:03

"I know that every manager also uses whatever video footage is available on the Internet. There are no secrets now, in relation to how any team plays"

it was in one of the podcasts every team uploads the match footage to a server and its available to any manager/coach, not just highlights its the full games.

"We don't change either before or during"

they have changed formation at least twice during every league game so far.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 19:03

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Grant, Mon 3 Sep 17:20

If that's the case GG then why did we go through the whole of last season, and the season before playing a 442, regardless of who we were playing and what players we had avaliable?

What on earth made AJ think that the 352 would work against an Inverness side playing a 442/4231 on the break?


Do you think any one system of playing is superior to all the others? Surely if that was the case, every team would adopt it. I remember AJ saying at a supporters' meeting that you can only play with a certain system if you have the players for it. He was replying to a question from me about playing 3-5-2 as opposed to 4-4-2. This was during a period when we weren't enjoying a lot of success with 4-4-2. Many dotnetters at that time were screaming for a change to 3-5-2. Now most of us want to go back to the tried and trusted 4-4-2.......

I think AJ is right. You need to have the right players to play a certain formation and they need to be comfortable with it. I'm not convinced we'd have won our last two league games, simply by reverting to 4-4-2, but there's no way of ever knowing. Far more important, imo, is scoring the first goal. I do concede that a system can triumph over another in a particular game, even against a team with better players, but that is a rare occurrence.

I remember a game on C4's Football Italia, Parma v Milan. The visitors were European champions with Gullit, Rykaard and van Basten in their ranks, not to mention a wheen of Italian internationals, including Baresi, Maldini, Donadoni, Ancelotti and others. Milan went with their favoured 4-3-3. Parma lined up 4-5-1, with Tino Asprilla as The lone striker. He held the ball up brilliantly and laid it off to his midfielders who flooded forward whenever the opportunity arose. Parma ran riot and won 4-0. It could have been more, as Milan couldn't cope with players making runs from deep positions.



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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 19:07

352 may have worked with the pacier Morris, I've never been convinced by it at this level if I'm being honest, I'm baffled we haven't tried a 4231 or similar, that's a formation we do have the players for.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: wulliepar57  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 19:14

I am not one for wanting the manager booted out
AJ will turn it around We just need to have a little faith
It's not all down to a system , Its down to the players we have also . we need to play them to their strengths and right positions and we need to play a settled team not change it every week on paper we look to have a decent team so Its time they showed us this
I am sure everyone that was at the Dundee United game saw that we can play passing football from the back , not just a punt up the park
So I only wonder whats went wrong since then ??
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 19:43

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Grant, Mon 03 Sep 17:20

If that's the case GG then why did we go through the whole of last season, and the season before playing a 442, regardless of who we were playing and what players we had avaliable?

What on earth made AJ think that the 352 would work against an Inverness side playing a 442/4231 on the break?


That shows how much you know re Saturday...ICT played a rigid 4-3-3 system. This was confirmed by John Robertson directly after the game when he came into hospitality....

He’s good friends with big Leish and Bill Braisby and again spoke sensibly. Felt we were better then them 1st half but they picked us off 2nd half. Expects us to be top 4....along with them Ross County and Utd
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 21:06

Black & White Noise, Episode 3: Dave Honeyman.

https://dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Episode_3_-_Black_&_White_Noise&ID=10615

Whatever shortcomings we have at the moment, I don't think lack of scouting of the opposition or preparation is to blame.

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Topic Originator: Livingston Par  
Date:   Mon 3 Sep 21:14

Crowd size is a major factor in determining how big a club is. Nobody is saying it entitles you to success or means you will always beat the team with smaller crowds, we are living proof of that. Anyone who thinks Hamilton and Livi are bigger clubs than us are having a laugh. Likewise anybody who thinks Burnley and Bournemouth are bigger than Leeds Utd and Aston Villa are crazy.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Bigfoot  
Date:   Tue 4 Sep 12:29

A few of minor points, which may well have been covered earlier.

I had spoken to AJ previously, and their aim last year was promotion, ideally by winning but realistically through the playoffs. Given he now has a team of his choosing, and that in general the consensus is that they are an improvement of the previous squad, it only seems logical that we are going for promotion again. So I don't entertain this notion of a two year programme. I appreciate hAJ's contract is for two years, and I assume that this to give earn promotion this year, and have a contract in place for a season in the SPL (or whatever it is called these days). I'd also assume there would be a mutual termination clause if the promotion goal was not achieved.

I also agree that to pretty much bring in a new team does take time to bed in and develop. I have no issue with this. However, it seems like it has been too big a change. Would it have been better to keep a larger nucleus form last season?

Is it simply a gamble that, whilst we may lose points initially, we will catch up and overtake in the long run. I suspect this is the reality, and that AJ will have a target number of points he wants from the first quarter - although he may struggle to get to that tally?

The other point of concern is that we seem to have a very poor run in the second quarter of the season, especially December and January when the pitch is heavier. I was speaking to one of the backroom staff last year and he was quite candid about the pitch making it difficult for our team to play the football they want to, both physically and technically.

I guess I am sitting on the fence regarding AJ as the team he puts out can really play attractive football. However, as much as I really want him and the team to succeed, we can't continue to have the poor runs mid-season that we have endured under his reign. Hopefully we will see the team pick up form towards the end of the first quarter and go on an extended unbeaten run for the majority of the remaining season.

COYP

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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Zimbo  
Date:   Tue 4 Sep 13:27

We (and most other teams) always have a bad run during the season. Hopefully we are having ours at the beginning and it doesn't last too long!
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 4 Sep 13:48

"Would it have been better to keep a larger nucleus form last season?"

Quite probably yes and I think AJ wanted to keep some more as he'd offered contracts to people that knocked them back and moved on.

After thag I don't think you should keep players you don't want out of a concern that you're changing too many players as there's a fair chance they can't do the job to the standard you want.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: preston par  
Date:   Tue 4 Sep 14:03

The quicker we can get Beadling fit and Durnan out the better.
El Bakhtaoui and Hippolyte have been dreadful, seems to be no understanding between them.
I'd stick Higgy back in and give Ryan a run with big Muirhead.
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Topic Originator: bigdonnie  
Date:   Tue 4 Sep 22:36

[Post Deleted] - Swearing in French is still swearing and is not allowed on this site as per the rules.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Tue 4 Sep 23:13

"That shows how much you know re Saturday...ICT played a rigid 4-3-3 system." Looked like far more of a 4231, a central striker, 2 wide men and an advanced central midfielder, you're splitting hairs though trying to make out I know nothing re Saturday if you're getting that picky between a 433 and a 4231. The Inverness fans after the game were referring to it as a 4231 also, I'm pretty comfortable with how much I know re Saturday.

The reason I mentioned 442 in my post is because prior to Saturday that is what Inverness had used all season, it's also what Ayr had used all season and AJ seemed to think he had to change the system against them, yet despite him thinking he would be going up against another 442 he kept the same system that he'd deemed not good enough against Ayrs 442?
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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Tue 4 Sep 23:13

Is Admin sure BigDonnie was swearing in French? I find that hard to believe- he normally struggles to make a legible sentence in english, far less swear in French
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Wed 5 Sep 00:01

Our crowd potential ensures that we will more often than not be up there challenging for the top league but the point about chairmen with cash to burn is very true when it comes to "short" term success.
We got to three cup finals with money we didn't actually have and that taints our history but still fans believe we should be at that level.
What Leishman achieved was extraordinary in the 80's but done properly building bit by bit and that's how we should be looking now. No cutting corners.

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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Wed 5 Sep 07:27

The time to assess what AJ and Sandy are achieving will be once we have played every club ie around late October.

On Saturday, 420 miles away, the result is of no consequence.They can try out players and formations to their heart's content.

One would imagine Robbie Muirhead and the Fringe players from Hearts will get an outing.It would be interesting to see Robbie paired with FEB then Andy.

Tom Beadling approaches fitness and his return will enhance the entire team.

We seem to have assembled the players eg the Longridges,Vincent,Craigen and there was not much wrong v Dundee,Dundee Utd and Hearts.

Let's leave it till Late October because the sort of knee jerk reaction at St Mirren,Livingston,Falkirk and Morton could come back to haunt us and not just at Hallowe'en when the ghouls flow!
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Paristotle  
Date:   Wed 5 Sep 09:20

Stop being sensible, Sliema
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Wed 5 Sep 11:07

Im sure the result will have consequence to the travelling support
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: pars1562  
Date:   Wed 5 Sep 11:48

Result on Saturday might just at this moment in the season be a must win for AJ as another defeat to a non league team won’t go down well,in fact probably mean melt downtime again on d.net.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks  
Date:   Wed 5 Sep 12:19

Its the performance that matters, it's one thing to be beaten it's another to hardly turn up which has been the case the last two weeks.
I'm going there with an open mind, I'd hope we were better than the5th tier of English football but thats what interesting about these teams playing in this competition, in addition our form is rotten and they will be a big strong side. It should be however be competitive.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Wed 5 Sep 13:50

I am sure those who are going will expect to see AJ and Sandy try out new formations while naming Muirhead,Martin,Keana,Craigen,Higgy,Beadling(if fit),Andy Ryan etc.

Many posters on this thread were on before the wretched game was finished or within a couple of hours.You should guard against it as you are not rational.

That is why I always feel sorry for a disappointed Manager with a microphone thrust in front of his face just after a bad result.

Though John Robertson and Jim Duffy buck the trend.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Wed 5 Sep 14:42

We have a new squad and it will take time for them to play well togetber. Its more important during the difficult times to get behind the manager and players. Things will improve for sure. Its difficult when so many players move around on 12 month contracts.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Blackandwhiteblood  
Date:   Wed 5 Sep 15:07

Keana won't be playing. He's recovering from an operation.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Wed 5 Sep 17:34

I forgot. You are right.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 15 Sep 16:56

Bump.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Sat 15 Sep 17:11

So are the happy clapers still prepared to defend this feckin imposter

Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 15 Sep 17:37

Why turn on your own fans? It was a p*sh performance in and we're on a poor run of form but some were wanting him sacked after 3 games. You cannot back a manager in the summer watch him assemble a squad then punt him as soon as that.

It's getting harder and harder to defend him though. I said on my way out that if Connolly goes back to the bench next week then his time is up. Obviously not just for that decision alone, but that will be the straw that broke the camel's back.

We have now played 9 or 10 competitive games and we are worse than at the end of last season. No width. Ropey defence and players played out of position.

Unacceptable.

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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Sat 15 Sep 18:19

Falkirk and st Mirren have already bulleted managers so the “its too early” argument doesn’t hold water anymore. I don’t see how anyone on the board can find this acceptable.
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: Blackandwhiteblood  
Date:   Sat 15 Sep 20:40

Aye and Falkirk have improved since sacking their manager. NOT.
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Topic Originator: Sierra Nevada  
Date:   Sat 15 Sep 20:43

He's had two games to turn the Hartley mess. Needs more time no?



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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: daviepars1885  
Date:   Sat 15 Sep 20:43

Get him tae f@@k clown 🤡
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: 1981par  
Date:   Sat 15 Sep 21:00

Said at the time why did he get offered a 2 year deal. We scraped in the play offs in a terrible league. Worst championship league in years. Everybody gave me dislikes and shot me down.
With this team. We should be doing so much better.

Just imagined if we had a good manager.
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Topic Originator: forever black and white  
Date:   Sat 15 Sep 21:25

next home game, everyone take there white hankies and wave them in the air as a protest like they do in spain
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 15 Sep 21:42

That should boost their confidence.

Just leave it to the bard. They will do what needs done when and if it needs done. You can send a message directly to them without affecting a match. If enough people did so I'm sure it would be taken seriously.

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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Sat 15 Sep 21:54

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Blackandwhiteblood, Sat 15 Sep 20:40

Aye and Falkirk have improved since sacking their manager. NOT.


So are you still going to defend the manager or actually grow a set and acknowledge that the cash we lose in punting this joker is going to be far less than the cash we lose when we get relegated because that’s the way we are headed if things don’t change

Come on ye pars ⚽️
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 15 Sep 23:03

Fk a duck it's like Groundhog Day

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: AJ Out
Topic Originator: helensburghpar  
Date:   Sat 15 Sep 23:28

Thought Groundhog day was funny. Nothing funny with the utter dross served up today.
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