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 Coin throwers
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Mon 5 Nov 17:13

Not just Hearts and St Mirren fans but Failkirk fans also at our game over there a few weeks ago . According to Radio Scotland a man is appearing in court after throwing a coin/ coins at one of our players.

I did see something being thrown when Andy Ryan scored......looked like a pie.

Maybe it was a Christmas pudding ?
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: Hummingbird Harry  
Date:   Mon 5 Nov 17:18

Think thats the first time iv seen the st mirren incident mentioned on here, hardly unsurprising though.
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks  
Date:   Mon 5 Nov 17:24

Remember Sean Murdoch commenting last season that he got pelted by a lot of coins at Falkirk, he played it down with some joke on twitter I recall.
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Mon 5 Nov 17:42

opic Originator: Hummingbird Harry like | nolike
Date: Mon 5 Nov 17:18

Think thats the first time iv seen the st mirren incident mentioned on here, hardly unsurprising though.




Indeed especially considering the new Rangers perilous financial situation.
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: Hummingbird Harry  
Date:   Mon 5 Nov 17:43

Just seen the falkirk thing on Sky sports news
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Mon 5 Nov 19:40

The Scottish Government needs to stop making warnings and impose Strict Liability on the Football Authorities, who are praying the issue goes away.

Meanwhile, those Labour MSPswho ensured the Offensive Bahaviour At Football Grounds Act got repealed ,with nothing to replace it; should be utterly ashamed.
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Mon 5 Nov 19:57

The things that happened would have been, and still are, illegal regardless of the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act.
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: daviepars1885  
Date:   Mon 5 Nov 20:31

Surprised he had coins to throw
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Topic Originator: Hummingbird Harry  
Date:   Mon 5 Nov 20:33

Court case couldnt have come at a worse time for the boy.
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Mon 5 Nov 21:02

Topic Originator: kelty_par like | nolike
Date: Mon 5 Nov 19:57

The things that happened would have been, and still are, illegal regardless of the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act.


Correct but the authorities have been ignoring the issues for donkeys years and still continue to ignore it.

Those who opposed the offensive behaviour at football grounds act did so purely for political reasons, nothing else.

The Police cannot arrest 10000 people for signing sectarian songs but it is high time the SFA started to dock points when it happens......will they? Nae chance.
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Mon 5 Nov 21:18

The Police can arrest 10,000 people for singing sectarian songs - they choose not to do so.

I opposed the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act because was a flawed piece of legislation that made football fans - and let's not forget it included people going to the game as well, not just those inside the stadium - subject to completely different punishments for the same crimes. If I hit someone on a night out, I'd have got one punishment. If I'd hit someone on my way to the game, I would have received a different, harsher, sentence. How is that in any way justified?
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Mon 5 Nov 21:19

Could be worse?

https://t.co/4Y8pWa00VC?ssr=true




It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Mon 5 Nov 21:25

Topic Originator: kelty_par like | nolike
Date: Mon 5 Nov 21:18

The Police can arrest 10,000 people for singing sectarian songs - they choose not to do so.




I would like to see that.....how many cops would it take?
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Mon 5 Nov 23:27

That is mental, Raymie.

:)
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: WORST  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 06:03

I’ve said countless times that point deduction is the only answer, but they’d be forced to act on their beloved Glasgow giants, and we all know that won’t happen



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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 06:53

Quote:

Raymie the Legend, Mon 5 Nov 21:19

Could be worse?

https://t.co/4Y8pWa00VC?ssr=true


Where is this game taking place, Raymie? Sadly, unable to identify the teams or the stadium....☹



Not your average Sunday League player.
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 07:21

Looks like Fenerbahce and Galatasaray.
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 07:34

Quote:

OzPar, Tue 6 Nov 07:21

Looks like Fenerbahce and Galatasaray.


My bad, so it does. I think that derby can make the Glasgow version quite tame sometimes.



Not your average Sunday League player.
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 07:40

Morons are morons whatever team they support.
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: Slevin Kelevra  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 08:16

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WORST, Tue 06 Nov 06:03

I’ve said countless times that point deduction is the only answer, but they’d be forced to act on their beloved Glasgow giants, and we all know that won’t happen


Just playing devils advocate but what if a points deduction was brought in, what would stop rival fans sitting in the home end and throwing coins or whatever so that team was deducted points?

We got style and we got grace
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: WORST  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 08:29

Very valid point, SK. Take the points off both teams, that’ll stop it in its tracks.



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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 08:42

Take points off team A because supporters of team B cause trouble ?

As John McEnroe was fond of saying .........”you can’t be serious” !!!
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: WORST  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 08:45

I know it’s not ideal, but It would only need to be done once, VEE. it would stop it overnight



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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: Slevin Kelevra  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 09:21

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WORST, Tue 06 Nov 08:29

Very valid point, SK. Take the points off both teams, that’ll stop it in its tracks.


Again if 3 teams are going for a title, battling for relegation or going for play offs and two teams were playing each other, the same could happen. Hypothetically say us, Falkirk and Raith Rovers going for the title with they two playing each other. A pars fans could go and sit in the raith end, throw coins, both of them deducted points...far fetched I know.

I don’t think there’s many other ways to combat the problem apart from handing out banning orders and criminal convictions.

We got style and we got grace
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 09:45

Here's a possible situation - just as SK predicts.

Last game of season Pars and ICT (random example) are tied on same points and meet at EEP - result could mean league title (ever optomistic), promotion play offs, relegation or plays offs at bottom end.

Falkirk (no comments please) are two points behind and in a position to benefit if combination of results go their way.

A few numptie fans from other clubs with a taste for causing bother infiltrate EEP and cause trouble in attempt to "influence the result"

Adopting your line of punishing clubs - Falkirk win a trouble free game, DAFC and ICT are docked points due to crowd disorder - Falkirk leapfrog both to great advantage.

OK, yes, it's a fanciful scenario - but various fixture combinations could provide opportunities for results to be affected off the pitch.

Then there's cup competitions.

Take the notorious 1980 Scottish Cup Final where both sets of fans were equally culpable.

Withhold the trophy ?

Order a replay (worst case scenario methinks) ?

Award the trophy to the better of the losing semi finalists ?

Let them contest a replacement cup final ?

What if it's at an earlier stage in the competition - how do you replace the teams that are eliminated as a punishment ?

Deducting points, or messing with cup results causes more problems than it solves IMO.

Other opinions will differ.
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: WORST  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 09:53

Not such a cunning plan after all then.

Bring back the birch.



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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 11:29

I used to think point deductions were a justified punishment, but when you look at the implications where crowd disorder is involved it becomes a dog’s dinner.

Fair enough where a club has brought it upon itself - like Dundee’s double administration situation.

The irony of that was they went on a record club unbeaten run - 20 odd games ?
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 13:36

When I was a bairn the faither o' the bride threw coins at crowds without all this stushi. I canny remember anyone complaining.

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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 13:50

Couldnae beat a gid scramble in the 70s.
🤕

ADMIN.... min 😏

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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 13:58

widtink wrote:

> Couldnae beat a gid scramble in the 70s.
> 🤕
>
>

Do I recall that being called a "rushy " or something similar ?
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 14:02

The days before health and safety took over.

matt forsyth
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 14:49

We called it a scoor oot and if you managed to get some sillar you were lucky.
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 15:04

Heat the coins up first 👍
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 15:51

And before there were bucket collections at football matches, guys would walk round the track with a sheet to throw coins into!

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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 16:18

It wis a "Rushy".

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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 16:30

Scoor oot !
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 16:43

Rushy... Or scramble 😏

ADMIN.... min 😏

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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 17:42

Another vote for 'scoor oot'!
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 18:40

Scoor oot here in the wild East.
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: WORST  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 18:41

Rushy doon Abbyview way.



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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: helensburghpar  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 18:53

Rushy in Wellwood.
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: koss  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 19:33

All the coin throwers seem to be aiming at the persons eye but so far have missed .Each incident did have the player /manager goading the fans at crucial points of the games in question.While I don't condone what happened the player/manager have to be accountable for their actions.Think back to when Rudi Skacel scored for Hearts against the Pars and ran the full length of the NW stand holding a hand against his ear and smiling like a maniac.What happened ,the fans went mental and I dont think Skacel was even booked.Bring back the 70's when fans used to throw darts at each other.Kind of brings the aiming at the players eyes into perspective.
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: Malcolm Canmore  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 19:46

I don’t think a points deduction would deter the morons who throw coins. They are probably not sufficiently interested in the clubs’ fortunes. Self-policing by fans is the best deterrent- although no doubt many of them will mistakenly think that that makes them “grasses”.

My dog eats meat
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 20:48

"Kind of brings the aiming at the players eyes into perspective"

If a player or official were (God forbid) hit in the eye with a piece of metal then they might well lose the ability to put things in perspective, literally.

Nothing should be thrown, period.
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: koss  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 21:12

Yeah I agree but the player/manager should still be held responsible for causing an inflamatory situation.Darts ,bullsEYE ,get it ,I'm here all week.COYP.
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 21:29

Of course managers, players and club officials etc. who provoke crowd disorder by unacceptable antics should be held accountable - but there have been plenty of incidents when dangerous objects have been thrown where there has been little or no manager/player misconduct

I'm not upon the details - but was a numptie not recently arrested and charged for a coin throwning incident at the recent Falkirk match ?



Post Edited (Tue 06 Nov 22:52)
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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: Boston Red Sox  
Date:   Tue 6 Nov 23:52

Without detracting from the severity of throwing coins the “blinded” cliche is always rolled out. Anyone who has played pitchy or coins at the bottle could vouch for the fact there is more chance of a unicorn bumming a leprechaun than hitting someone in the eye with ten bob from 60 ft


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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 01:28

BRS - the same could be said about hitting someone in the eye with a golf ball from 300 yards, but it happened last month.

The only way to make absolutely sure a missile does not hit someone in the eye is not to throw it.

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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: Boston Red Sox  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 07:58

Totally agree, it’s a cowardly act it’s just the cliché that rips my knitting.


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 Re: Coin throwers
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 08:55

Anyone who gets arrested for coin throwing must be embarrassed, it is a cowardly act, if you feel agreived face up like a man.
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