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 Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: HalbeathRoad  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 09:23

The two biggest clubs in Scotland are currently an absolute shambles. Sevco have operated at a loss for the past 6 years , their accounts posted last week a £14m loss and the silence coming from Celtic regarding the shameful child abuse scandal is absolutely deafening. The BBC journalist Mark Daly has highlighted pretty much what everyone in Scottish football already knew. Is it just a matter of time before these two clubs crumble in to dust ? Should the good people of Scotland demand these two institutions based on bigotry, hatred, divide , financial mismanagement and abhorrent child abuse be shut down for good?
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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: WORST  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 09:37

It’ll never happen, those two won’t ever go away.



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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: DRFC_no1  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 10:24

Scottish game would be much better without them but will never happen :(
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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 11:25

Nope...nit having "Scotland's shame" .
It's theirs and their's alone to carry.
Let's not forget that Rangers were contacted about abuse compensation...they referred the poor individual to the liquidators...because...yeah...you guessed it...it was a member of the old club who perpetrated....both clubs are just as bad imo.

I Hope You're Ok Today....
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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: YankeeDollar  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 11:29

Oldco = financial ruin

Newco =financial meltdown

SPFL = Scottish football would be a financial loss without them.

Me = WTF
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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 11:32

I played in boys club football in Glasgow when these sad incidents were happening and played against Celtic Boys club a few times. My team was Possil YM and those who ran the club did so with integrity and lack of self interest. It's a real shame that a few bad apples have tarnished the good name of Scottish juvenile football. Celtic are trying to distance themselves perhaps due to the legal action now being taken against them.
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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: HalbeathRoad  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 11:43

That’s a fair point Rasta.
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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: Lambo1885  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 11:57

"Nope...nit having "Scotland's shame" .
It's theirs and their's alone to carry.
Let's not forget that Rangers were contacted about abuse compensation...they referred the poor individual to the liquidators...because...yeah...you guessed it...it was a member of the old club who perpetrated....both clubs are just as bad imo."

Totally this.
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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 14:06

We came close a few years back when the other 10 teams in the SPL "nearly united" to create a breakaway league.

Ah well...

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DRFC_no1, Wed 7 Nov 10:24

Scottish game would be much better without them but will never happen :(


DunfyDave
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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 14:16

the same Shame that donated over £16,000 of food donations to local foodbanks at the weekend?

Seems some people are very blinkered when it choses what they want to sensationalise when it comes to the GLasgow clubs.

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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: Hummingbird Harry  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 14:19

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Playup_Pompey, Wed 07 Nov 14:16

the same Shame that donated over £16,000 of food donations to local foodbanks at the weekend?

Seems some people are very blinkered when it choses what they want to sensationalise when it comes to the GLasgow clubs.


Agreed, bigotry at its worst 😪
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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: Nippy Sweetie  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 14:25

no post

philltwo..

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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 14:33

Quote:

DunfyDave, Wed 7 Nov 14:06

We came close a few years back when the other 10 teams in the SPL "nearly united" to create a breakaway league.

Ah well...

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DRFC_no1, Wed 7 Nov 10:24

Scottish game would be much better without them but will never happen :(


It's a pity at the same time the ssspeel we're going to run there own tvstation and that is they way tv subscription is going now

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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: HalbeathRoad  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 15:20

Ridiculous comment PP. That is going to look a particularly insensitive comment this time next week .
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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 15:41

Fill your boots. Imagine waiting until the end of criminal proceedings before making a public statement.

http://www.celticfc.net/news/15222

FOLLOWING the conviction of Mr James Torbett at Glasgow Sheriff Court, Celtic Football Club wishes to express our deep regret that the incidents took place and sympathy for the victims who suffered abuse. We are grateful for the courage of those who have come forward to report abuse and to give evidence after such a long period of time. We have great respect for them and their families as they continue to cope with the distressing effects of the abuse they suffered.

Allegations regarding abuse at Celtic Boys’ Club first emerged in the 1990s. Although Celtic Football Club is an entirely separate organisation, we have always taken these allegations extremely seriously because of our historic contacts with Celtic Boys’ Club. All investigations by the police and other inquiries were given our full support. We encouraged any individuals involved to report all information to the police so that matters could be investigated fully. Celtic Football Club continues to encourage any victim of abuse to report these crimes to the police.

After the allegations became known in the 1990s, Celtic Football Club took steps to develop a new code of conduct and procedures to protect young people. Since then, Celtic Football Club has been at the leading edge of putting welfare and safeguarding protections in place for our young people. We were the first club in Scotland to appoint a safeguarding officer, developing policies for the protection of young people and monitoring and reviewing our procedures to ensure they continue to reflect best practice.

The abuse of children is an issue affecting many areas of society, including a large number of football clubs, sports clubs, youth organisations, educational institutions and religious bodies across Britain. Celtic Football Club strongly believes that children and young people involved in football have the right to protection from all forms of harm and abuse and is committed to ensuring this and to promoting their wellbeing through continued cooperation with our children and young people, parents and carers and the relevant authorities.

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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 15:52

I'm no legal eagle PuP, but could it not be regarded as prejudicial to the trial, if Celtic issued an apologogetic statement before the conclusion of the hearing?



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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: Hummingbird Harry  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 15:52

I wonder why Celtic are even putting statements out about it, they have nothing to do with it.

They changed company’s to Pacific shelf 595 in 1994. What happened to the company before that ?
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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 15:54

I'm no legal eagle, PuP, but could it not be regarded as prejudicial to the trial if Celtic issued an apology before its conclusion?



Not your average Sunday League player.
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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 16:05

GG was aimed at HalbeathRoad who was questioning the silence over it and being the reason for "Scotland Shame". Not sure why the desire to hear from Celtic given this is his 3rd time in court facing historical abuse charges.

P.S Torbett was also an employee of other clubs in the west of scotland





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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: HalbeathRoad  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 18:01

Absolutely shameful. They are going along the lines of ‘separate entity’ as a defence. That’s sounds depressingly familiar.
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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 19:05

With the talk of the big English clubs moving off to join the European Elite league there will be a gaping hole in the English Premier league with four or five vacancies

There will be a clamour from the Glasgow two to fill a couple of these places and Sky will no doubt be supportive of a major change as their customer base would be in danger of crumbling if they could not provide an interesting alternative

Probably the best chance they will ever have of catapulting directly into the EPL

Bye bye is been a blast, mind not leave any of your bigotry and bile behind on the way



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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 19:15

Ye whit?
Do you honestly think the English FA want either of the toxic two?
Cast your mind back... This nonsense has risen its head before and the FA were most insistent that they were not welcome.
Oh... And I seem to recall something along the lines of "if they did end up in England they would have to work their way through the leagues from the bottom tier".

ADMIN.... min 😏



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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: HalbeathRoad  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 20:01

The problem would still be here even if they played in another league. Two horrific clubs . Toxic sums the pair of them up very well .
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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 20:17

Sky would decide, the clubs would not be able to resist them stating they would pull the plug if they did not get their preferred option

The whole of the English top two Legues is utterly dependent on Sky cash



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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 7 Nov 22:32

Yes but Sky is utterly dependent on English football for it's entire business model.

Turn on, Tune in, Drop out.
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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Thu 8 Nov 05:05

So why would both sides self destruct, the model is dependant on having large members of subscribers who pay to see the top sides in competition

Should the breakaway of the biggest sides to the elite league happen then sky would have to either plough mega millions into securing the rights to screen the new competition or to look to make the EPL an attractive package, if the former was the choice of action then the cash ploughed into the current model would be very much reduced

They would need to make the EPL something which would retain the subscribers, I could not see that bringing say Preston or Brentford into the fold would achieve that. There are of course big sides in the Championship such as Villa, Leeds, Wolves etc however does that generate interest and whet the appetite of the subscriber?

The big two would no doubt think that they should be in the elite league but that is not even a remote possibility when they are compared to some of the other huge teams who will miss out.
The champions league would be a thing of the past as the elite European teams would already be competing against each other, perhaps there would be a new tournament which could provide a springboard for teams to reach the Elite league

Celtic and The Rangers have probably the best opportunity to make a case for inclusion in any new set up, I’m surprised that there has not been any public discussion from either side as yet (perhaps the silence on the subject speaks volumes)



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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 8 Nov 06:46

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Wed 7 Nov 22:32

Yes but Sky is utterly dependent on English football for it's entire business model.


Utter utter nonsense.

I Hope You're Ok Today....
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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 8 Nov 08:07

Correct Rasta.

SKY have a wide customer base that don’t take Sports packages.
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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Thu 8 Nov 09:19

"Bye bye is been a blast, mind not leave any of your bigotry and bile behind on the way"

Reading this forum this week should open your eyes to how much bigotry even fans of "provincial" clubs ours show towards the 2 Glasgow clubs.

"Yes but Sky is utterly dependent on English football for it's entire business model."

Care to explain the deal with Netflix? Why NBCUniversal Comcast would bid for them? The investment into Broadband networks in the UK? Investment into the Mobile Market?





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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: petrie_pants  
Date:   Thu 8 Nov 09:36

Mon the Gers.
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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Thu 8 Nov 09:47

It seems the idea of a euro super league has rattled Fifa a tad 😂
European Super League: Fifa says it would ban players from the World Cup - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46131361

ADMIN.... min 😏

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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Thu 8 Nov 13:48

Of course FIFA would say that; if they ban the best players they will set up their own competition and football will end up like darts with two world championships, one that includes good players, and one that doesn't.

No chance, FIFA will take that risk - a breakaway kills them, not immediately, but slowly. A compromise will be met, with the big clubs getting an ever bigger piece of the communal pie. Such, unfortunately, is the nature of capitalism. Money talks. Always.
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 Re: Scotland’s Shame
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 8 Nov 15:13

Fifa had better be careful the top clubs don't ban their players from the World Cup not the other way around.

Turn on, Tune in, Drop out.
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