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 John Beaton
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Fri 4 Jan 22:27

Has had to call in the police after life threatening messages after his address was posted online , yes indeed the best supporters in the world strike again , fueled by the clubs statement on the d firm game

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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Fri 4 Jan 22:51

Abysmal.

That said I’ve just seen the Morelos incidents and it’s bizarre that no retrospective action is being taken. 2 clear reds.

That’s not necessarily down to Beaton mind you, which makes the personal attacks on him even worse.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: FRED1981  
Date:   Fri 4 Jan 23:03

Then had his photo taken in a Rangers pub laughing with the clientele after the game.why do these idiots bring hassle on themselves.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: AB Loyal  
Date:   Fri 4 Jan 23:09

Disgrace

The Prophet - 12/07/18.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Fri 4 Jan 23:13

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FRED1981, Fri 04 Jan 23:03

Then had his photo taken in a Rangers pub laughing with the clientele after the game.why do these idiots bring hassle on themselves.


Seriously? That’s just daft if true.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: DulochConvert  
Date:   Fri 4 Jan 23:15

The lack of retrospective action for what should have been 2 reds not been given in the game is down to Beaton, who has reported that he saw them! Guy should be removed as a ref for a while, however it should stop there. It is football nothing else, people need to grow up and realise that.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: DA_NO1  
Date:   Fri 4 Jan 23:23

Having a drink in his local pub which just happens to have a Rangers bus that runs from it, imagine being a ref going on a pub crawl .....
Be a nightmare.



"a picture paints a thousand words"
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 00:21

The pub is pure internet crap, there were other incidents he missed in the same game, browns tackle which could have broken someone's leg, Morelos should probably have been booked for 2 of the incidents, the ref has one look chose not too book him. It was a game where the ref hadn't a lot to do in honesty, there didn't appear to be too much controversy, but Celtic lose a game and we're going back 10 years in attacking refs and silly childish statements and all the paranoia strikes again. Refs are bad in general, if we believe they are deliberately affecting games it's time to stop the game. I wonder if Celtic will be charged with brining the game into disrepute with their statement? Rangers did with theirs a few weeks ago, Lennon normally does and so did levein.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 10:00

Mind the Celtic fans that came down to John yorkston’s house armed with weapons and ended up getting chased by his neighbours. Scumbags.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 11:40

"Morelos should probably have been booked for 2 of the incidents, the ref has one look chose not too book him."

Deliberate stamps and kick outs are red, not yellow, card offences. You're right the ref has one look, which is why retrospective punishment is an option. The fact that Beaton has reviewed the Morelos incidents and deemed that he dealt with them appropriately at the time does call his competence into question - not necessarily his allegiance.

None of the above excuses the personal attacks or posting of his personal information. That's reprehensible.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 11:46

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General Zod, Sat 05 Jan 10:00

Mind the Celtic fans that came down to John yorkston’s house armed with weapons and ended up getting chased by his neighbours. Scumbags.


Did this actually happen? absolutely unreal if true.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 12:46

Beaton needs his head examined if he went for a pint in a boozer with a known association with either Celtic or Rangers supporters, especially after the clubs have just played a derby game.

Error of judgement is being charitable.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 13:02

He needs his head examined for wanting to be a referee in this country. Celtic football club should be ashamed of themselves.

Turn on, Tune in, Drop out.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 13:04

The authorities have dropped Beaton in it by refusing to take any action instead saying Beaton seen all the fouls.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 13:09

From what I know of the process Beaton has dropped himself in it by saying he saw all the fouls leaving no option to apply retrospective punishment.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: pars_andy  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 13:48

Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks like | nolike
Date: Sat 5 Jan 13:02

He needs his head examined for wanting to be a referee in this country. Celtic football club should be ashamed of themselves.

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My understanding is that the SFA (not Celtic) had felt there was 3 incidents worth investigating with a view to taking retrospective action. Beaton then advised the SFA that he had seen the incidents effectively preventing the sfa from progressing. Celtic have called upon the sfa / Beaton to explain why he felt they were not punishable (he never even discussed any of the incidents with Morelos on the day). Celtic FC’s responsible seems pretty reasonable to me.

Compare this to behaviour from Rangers this season who have spoken about an ‘agenda’ against their club and Gerrard has spoken about his club experiencing inexplicable refereeing decisions which have went on for ‘years’



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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 13:54

Yep both clubs should be ashamed of themselves. They stoke up the scumbag sections of their support and do it on purpose. One of these days a official is going to be seriously hurt or worse by said scumbags.

Turn on, Tune in, Drop out.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 14:18

Perfectly fair comments by Celtic. Will wait the rely from the ref's association but I'm not holding my breath.

Wagons circling as I type?




It's bloody tough being a legend
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 14:32

I watched most of the game last week (before going to (Falkirk). I couldn't believe what he let Morelus of with, the kick between Brown's legs alone was worthy of a red card.

matt forsyth
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: Hummingbird Harry  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 14:43

He clearly pulled out before hitting brown.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 14:52

"Perfectly fair comments by Celtic."

It really isn't. For one thing, the referees aren't allowed to discuss their decisions and Celtic know that. Secondly, there is no need to make a public statement - they released it publicly to satisfy the very moronic elements within their own support who have made the threats. Finally, Celtic had no issues with decisions made by referees and the compliance officer then they were beneficiaries and were steamrollering teams left, right and centre. Brown not being punished retrospectively last season and having a stick on red card seconded v Ross County a season ago immediately come to mind. If they genuinely want transparency with the referees and the SFA they were able to do so at any point then or indeed before the start of this season. The two arsecheeks know exactly what they're doing here and there's nothing "fair" about any comments that come from those two.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 14:57

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kelty_par, Sat 5 Jan 14:52

"Perfectly fair comments by Celtic."

It really isn't. For one thing, the referees aren't allowed to discuss their decisions and Celtic know that. Secondly, there is no need to make a public statement - they released it publicly to satisfy the very moronic elements within their own support who have made the threats. Finally, Celtic had no issues with decisions made by referees and the compliance officer then they were beneficiaries and were steamrollering teams left, right and centre. Brown not being punished retrospectively last season and having a stick on red card seconded v Ross County a season ago immediately come to mind. If they genuinely want transparency with the referees and the SFA they were able to do so at any point then or indeed before the start of this season. The two arsecheeks know exactly what they're doing here and there's nothing "fair" about any comments that come from those two.


Agree 100% kelty

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 19:12

"For one thing, the referees aren't allowed to discuss their decisions and Celtic know that."

Until the compliance office comes into it which strongly suggests there is a case to answer.

Then the referee says he did see the incidents but took no action.

Which leaves the compliance officer in a no win situation - if he does impose a punishment that decision highlights the official's incompetence - and if he doesn't then why did he involved at all.



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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 19:19

SFA say a line has been crossed and urges respect after John Beaton is given a police escort at the Ayr game ,and yet what aboutery continues



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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 19:25

They are level on points with only one game in hand which for the Tic is unusual, as the league is nearly over at this time of year.... Rangers played them off the park albeit 1-0 ...They will still go on to win the league but it is not the group hug comfy Scenario that they have become accustomed to ...So they have to resort to the old Paranoia and agenda again to try and gain some sort of advantage ........Shame on them ......just saying
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 19:46

Beatons performance was pretty suspicious if we are being completely honest.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 19:55

Cellic should have been thrown out the league after injuring a referee at cellic park v rangers years ago ,

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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: FRED1981  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 19:59

Surprise Surprise after reading Hummingbirds post.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: jwd1103  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 20:10

You referring to Hugh Dallas Salton ? The same Hugh Dallas who had to resign due to sending sectarian emails ? The same Hugh Dallas who's son is an SPFL ref ? Who was named as a sub on a Sevco teamsheet (ok it's not the same Andrew Dallas but the irony isn't lost)

Should we have been kicked out of the league when Pars fans assaulted Louis Thow at Stenhousemuir many years ago ? I was there I saw what happened.

Gerrard has already had a pop at referees indeed made a direct accusation about Willie Collum...nothing said, indeed the SMSM supported him.

Where does the Beaton judgement leave the appeals process ? , I mean the ref should only make a decision if he saw it & was sure it was right at the time. So how can it be overruled unless the ref admits he made a mistake...and given the general concensus on the Morelos decisions, if Beaton thought he called them correctly then he has no place in Professional Scottish football & should resign due to a complete inability to do his job in a fair and unbiased manner or there are new rules in the Scottish game that make kicking, punching & stamping on opponents fair game.

It stinks...remember Craig Levein's comments when his side were kicked off the park by the original Rangers when Mike McCurry officiated

SFA - do Sweet F** All
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 20:16

Nice bit off what aboutery,cellic only clubs fans to have split a referees head open ,and who's fans have now threatened 2 serving referees

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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 20:50

HH only people with blue eyes would say that. The guy is a thug I think it's only a matter of time before he assaults someone on the park so bad that the police get involved.

matt forsyth
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 20:55

The thread is about certain clubs fans intimidating referees in thier private life

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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: Hummingbird Harry  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 21:00

That took longer than it should have 😀
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: jwd1103  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 21:06

McCoist with his "who are these people" dog whistle resulting in Rovers director getting death threats and threats to burn down Starks Park - punishment ? Zero.

Who says Beaton was actually threatened ? SFA release a PR piece just before it hits a compliant media ? "John we're going to release blah blah blah - call the cops to give our pr piece some credibility".

As asked previously which Salton chose not to address
Where does the Beaton judgement leave the appeals process ? , I mean the ref should only make a decision if he saw it & was sure it was right at the time. So how can it be overruled unless the ref admits he made a mistake...and given the general concensus on the Morelos decisions, if Beaton thought he called them correctly then he has no place in Professional Scottish football & should resign due to a complete inability to do his job in a fair and unbiased manner or there are new rules in the Scottish game that make kicking, punching & stamping on opponents fair game.

SFA throwing Beaton under the bus here (deservedly since he's either corrupt or too incompetent to do his job)

Sevco all in to stop Celtic this year if they don't we have 2012 all over again
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 21:08

"Cellic should have been thrown out the league after injuring a referee at cellic park v rangers years ago"

Totally unacceptable of course - however if you go down that road there are several clubs that would laso have to be expelled, coin throwing isn't unique to Celtic Park, as per recent incidents.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: jwd1103  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 21:14

Furthermore Beaton's career as a ref is now over. How can any club accept any cards he shows he had a clear view of it. He had , allegedly a clear view of a kick in the balls, a punch in the balls & a stamp on a player's back yet none were deemed worthy of a card. I would hope Hamilton for example would go all the way to appeal should Beaton card one of their players in future for any of those offences. I mean he would have to have had a clear view .....

That of course assumes that our clubs want a level playing field and and unbiased sfa... if not it's WWE
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 21:16

No more whataboutery ,just the facts of this situation the ref said he saw all the incidents no action was taken ,cellic fans take into thier own action to threaten a person in public ,again

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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: jwd1103  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 21:22

Yet again no response to the question of the competency of the referee. Leave the threats out of it. Where does this leave Beaton as a credible referee ?

If I was a manager who had him as a ref I would dispute every card he gave my players... however I'm not a manager and old fashionedly think refs should be accountable for their performance

SFA would probably put me on a disrepute charge
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: jwd1103  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 21:26

McCoist's words get a Raith director into police protection & their ground threatened to be burned down and your response is whatabouttery Salton ?
Really ?

He also had a list of hundres of players and managers who bet on games after Iain Black got done for betting against his own team amongst others ? Again no charge

Bias at the SFA in favour of any team playing out of Govan - the crux of my argument
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: jwd1103  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 22:07

Salton ? any response except whatabouttery ?
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 22:49

You might have thought that if Morellos was going to get himself sent off he might have done a decent job of it and instead of feigning a kick at Broon (who by the way can be a particularly nasty and viscious individual) that he might have taken a lesson or two from the late Tommy Gemmel when he raced half the length of the pitch and gave a German by the name of Helmut a full blooded boot up the backside and fully merited his red card. But this half hearted pansy stuff where you brush your stud delicately over the players rear end who then reacts as if he has a life threatening injury is barely worth getting sent off for. I like football, I always have but the diving and injury feigning almost makes me want to give it up for good.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: jwd1103  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 22:59

What merits a card these days in the SPFL ? Looks to me like who you play for whether you get one in the first place or whether it sticks on appeal
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: par_33  
Date:   Sat 5 Jan 23:17

Lives in Motherwell if anybody was curious.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Sun 6 Jan 00:00

Aye it's totally ridiculous. Referees are either Rangers or Celtic supporters and when they show their colours in a game the two biggot brigade spit out the dummies and want the rest of us to feel sorry for them. Why should we have any sympathy for either of them when everything is heavily weighted in their favour anyway. Makes no sense to me.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 6 Jan 00:12

To be honest the standard off refereeing in Scotland is absolutely honking. I don't think there are bent refs in the game but I do think a lot of them aren't up to scratch.

I was up in Perth (shudders again at the memories) for the St J v Hearts game before Xmas and I can't remember who the ref was (possibly Andrew Dallas) but he was dire for both sides and gave St J a rather dodgy penalty which they converted.

Levein was raging and has been about quite a few decisions that have gone against them. A lot of the time he's been justified too.
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 Re: John Beaton
Topic Originator: pars_andy  
Date:   Sun 6 Jan 11:36

Was it Craig Thomson who gave Hamilton their penalty against us in the cup? I’ve never seen a referee so eager to give such a baffling decision. From viewing the situation and in particular, Thomson’s reaction, I cannot accept that decision was simply a mistake or due to incompetence.

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