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 Superga - Loss of the Grande Torino
Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Tue 8 Jan 08:09

A footballing tragedy I had little awareness of, when the all conquering Torino team of the late 1940s were all but wiped out in a plane crash just above the city of Turin.
The club were actually awarded a fifth SerieA title in tribute by their rivals with four games still to play.

One of the victims was a highly regarded midfielder Valentino Mazzola who was the father of an equally highly regarded Sandro Mazzola from the very successful Inter Milan team of the 60s.

Fascinating but tragic story for anyone interested.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46788983
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 Re: Superga - Loss of the Grande Torino
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Tue 8 Jan 08:16

Quote:

mach1, Tue 8 Jan 08:09
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46788983



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 Re: Superga - Loss of the Grande Torino
Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Tue 8 Jan 08:23

Thanks again widtink.

I'll have a new laptop up and running this week, so I should have no excuses for not remembering how to set the webpage references for click and use.
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 Re: Superga - Loss of the Grande Torino
Topic Originator: Lambo1885  
Date:   Tue 8 Jan 08:49

You better watch there mach1, your moving in on GG's patch with this kind of thread....... ;-)
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 Re: Superga - Loss of the Grande Torino
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 8 Jan 08:55

I posted something on the Superga disaster shortly after the equally tragic Chapecoense crash a couple of years ago






It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983


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 Re: Superga - Loss of the Grande Torino
Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Tue 8 Jan 08:59

Missed it then.

Just read this on BBC Sports News.

Would have been utterly devastating for one ex player who was not on the trip.
He said he was fortunate but also felt a guilt about not being with the others.
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 Re: Superga - Loss of the Grande Torino
Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Tue 8 Jan 09:02

I couldn't muscle in on GG's patch Lambo.

The 'mob' could have me swimming with the fishes lol.
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 Re: Superga - Loss of the Grande Torino
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Tue 8 Jan 09:46

If there had been a European Champions competition back then, it is widely assumed that Torino would have won it a few times.


Sadly, the club never really recovered its position within Italian football, as Juventus emerged as the leading team from the city.

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 Re: Superga - Loss of the Grande Torino
Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Tue 8 Jan 09:51

Yes, currently going for their 35th league title and they have a good strip into the bargain!
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 Re: Superga - Loss of the Grande Torino
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Tue 8 Jan 10:32

35 with a great big asterisk.

Turn on, Tune in, Drop out.
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 Re: Superga - Loss of the Grande Torino
Topic Originator: parfection  
Date:   Tue 8 Jan 11:09

I have a book all about this team and their tragic fate. They really were the top team of their day - granted, official European competition hadn’t started, but Torino supplied almost every one of the Italian national team. They even had an English trainer!
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 Re: Superga - Loss of the Grande Torino
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Tue 8 Jan 11:40

When I worked in Turin I was very impressed with teenagers' knowledge of their football history.

I did not know about the English coach for Turin at the time of the tragedy, but was informed that at the same time Juventus had a Scotsman- Billy Chalmers from Lanarkshire- as their manager from 1948-49.
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 Re: Superga - Loss of the Grande Torino
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 8 Jan 11:41

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Raymie the Legend, Tue 8 Jan 08:55

I posted something on the Superga disaster shortly after the equally tragic Chapecoense crash a couple of years ago


I see more parallels with the Man U disaster in Munich 10 years later. Like the Grande Torino, Busby's Babes seemed destined for even greater things. It says much for Matt Busby's indomitable spirit that he was able to build a new team, good enough to conquer Europe a decade later.

Mach1, knowing you as I do, I won't take offence at your stereotypical post, but if I change my mind, I'll get my 22 stone cousin to come round and sit on your head for half an hour......



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 Re: Superga - Loss of the Grande Torino
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 8 Jan 11:44

You can market that as a "specialist service". Allegedly.
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 Re: Superga - Loss of the Grande Torino
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Tue 8 Jan 11:48

I think it was Raymie posting about it was the first I'd heard of it, spend a good bit of time reading up on it.

I'm a big fan of thinking what if, and if the crash hadn't occurred would Juventus had emerged as much as they did?
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 Re: Superga - Loss of the Grande Torino
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 8 Jan 12:17

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Grant, Tue 8 Jan 11:48

I think it was Raymie posting about it was the first I'd heard of it, spend a good bit of time reading up on it.

I'm a big fan of thinking what if, and if the crash hadn't occurred would Juventus had emerged as much as they did?


They probably would have, Grant. Football is cyclical, that great team would eventually have grown old and it would have been very difficult to replace them. Juve did emerge from Torino's shadow after that, but for many years they played third fiddle to Milan and Inter.

What Juve have going for them is that they are backed by the Agnelli family and their FIAT empire (Berlusconi and Moratti were far richer but the former pulled out at Milan and the latter wasted billions on superstars who turned out to be duds.) As a result of FIAT employing many southern Italians, Juve also have a far wider fan base than any of their rivals.



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 Re: Superga - Loss of the Grande Torino
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 8 Jan 12:19

Quote:

londonparsfan, Tue 8 Jan 11:44

You can market that as a "specialist service". Allegedly.


😂🤣😂🤣



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 Re: Superga - Loss of the Grande Torino
Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Tue 8 Jan 15:22

That's OK GG.
I'll get my wife's Cammora cousins from the hills above Naples to go to the mattresses lol.
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