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 Champions League
Topic Originator: parbucks  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 20:28

RM v Ajax

Great start by the Dutch. Exposing the RM defence every time they go forward.

0-2 coming up for half an hour play.
2-3 on aggregate at the moment.

Bale coming on. Can he make a difference?



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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 20:29

Thought they were the better team first game as well
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 20:50

Can still see Real Madrid getting through, some dodgy penalty probably or a piece of brilliance from Bale.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 20:53

Spurs defending very stoutly!
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 21:03

I hope Ajax can get through. I don't think it's good for any competition for the same team to win it time and again.



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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 21:21

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I hope Ajax can get through. I don't think it's good for any competition for the same team to win it time and again.


Tadic scores!! 0-3!
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: parbucks  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 21:25

Great goal for Ajax after over 3.5 minutes delay due to VAR.
0-3!

Can’t see RM scoring 3 unanswered goals the way the game is going with 20 minutes to go.



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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: parbucks  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 21:28

That’s 1. Two to go!
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: parbucks  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 21:31

What a goal for Ajax.

1-4.

3-5 on agg.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 21:31

Take a bow son!!!! 4-1!
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 21:33

They're not coming back now. Ramos' deliberate yellow card in the first leg not looking too clever now.



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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 21:35

Is it just me but Bale doesn't look like he's arsed.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: parbucks  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 21:40

As the commentator said they don’t seem to have confidence in him so not bringing him into the game.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 21:53

When was the last time there were no German teams in the 1/4 finals? Could happen this year.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 21:58

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allparone, Tue 5 Mar 21:53

When was the last time there were no German teams in the 1/4 finals? Could happen this year.


Bayern must be favs to through, surely?

Will Solari be sacked tonight or in the morning?



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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 22:02

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GG Riva, Tue 5 Mar 21:58

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allparone, Tue 5 Mar 21:53

When was the last time there were no German teams in the 1/4 finals? Could happen this year.


Bayern must be favs to through, surely?

Will Solari be sacked tonight or in the morning?


They probably are but by no means certainties to win. A score draw would do Liverpool.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 22:20

Think Bayern will beat them




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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 22:26

How good a player is Dusan Tadic? Surely a top premier league team will bring him back ?




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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 23:36

He always impressed me when I saw him play and I was always a bit surprised Southampton didn't seem to mind him leaving. It's dates back to the early part of the season but I clocked this from a Saints fan:

"Watching Dusan Tadic play for @AFCAjax is weird. It's like seeing an ex with a new partner and having to admit that all you ever did was hold them back and they're better off without you."

Normally does well internationally too. Would definitely do a job for anyone outside the top six but would he want to leave Ajax for anyone outside the top 6 unless the money was too good to turn down?

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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 07:49

"Watching Dusan Tadic play for @AFCAjax is weird. It's like seeing an ex with a new partner and having to admit that all you ever did was hold them back and they're better off without you."

I think he is better with better players around him. I think he could play for a top 6 club. Liverpool crying our for creativity in midfield, for example




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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 07:57

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londonparsfan, Tue 5 Mar 23:36

He always impressed me when I saw him play and I was always a bit surprised Southampton didn't seem to mind him leaving. It's dates back to the early part of the season but I clocked this from a Saints fan:

"Watching Dusan Tadic play for @AFCAjax is weird. It's like seeing an ex with a new partner and having to admit that all you ever did was hold them back and they're better off without you."

Normally does well internationally too. Would definitely do a job for anyone outside the top six but would he want to leave Ajax for anyone outside the top 6 unless the money was too good to turn down?


Can't remember ever disagreeing with you, lpf, but on last night's showing, Tadic could "do a job" for any Premiership side. I do agree that Southampton slipped up badly by allowing him to leave, if that's what they did. Maybe he didn't want to stay or refused a new contract. I wouldn't imagine Ajax pay higher wages than almost any Premiership club.



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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 08:59

Great result last night for Spurs.

They just haven't got that extra bit over a full season to lift the league title.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Mario  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 10:47

Flicking channels back and forth to keep up with both games, but would it be fair to say the fans were markedly different in sticking with their team to the bitter end?
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: parbucks  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 20:33

PSG outplaying MU who are winning 1-2 due to defensive errors.

Crazy game!
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 20:37

PSG’s farter about to go out the window again. What an absolute joke of a fitba club.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 20:39

Lukaku again. Six goals in three games now.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 20:44

Thank god for Jose or Utd would have been challenging for the title.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: parbucks  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 21:16

Parc des Princes.

Intimidating place to go as a visiting fan.

PSG are an amalgamation of two clubs when they were founded who basically hate each other. Ultras at one end and the “goodies” at the other. They just chant at each other the whole game. Need to be careful which end you are at.
Tribalism still rules after decades.

Did see a couple of rugby Internationals there before Stade de France was built.



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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 21:51

man utd game just got interesting

well done rashford given circumstance



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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: parbucks  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 21:51

Penalty 93rd minute after VAR review!

Rashford scores!

MU win 3-1 and ahead on away goals.



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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 21:58

WOW what a game! Well Played Utd!
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: parbucks  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 21:59

Game over after 99 mins. Well done MU. Took their chances against the odds.

OGS must be a shoe in for the job now.



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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:00

Great game, superb result

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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:00

45 times a team has lost the first leg 2-0 in the CL and that was the first time the loser has won the tie. I'm just annoyed I never backed it when I seen it was 18/1 earlier.

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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:01

Well, the change of manager has done some good......

Felt like they were playing until PSG scored at one point.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:02

Even more surprising is that was Rashfords 1st penalty for Utd

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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:03

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45 times a team has lost the first leg 2-0 in the CL and that was the first time the loser has won the tie. I'm just annoyed I never backed it when I seen it was 18/1 earlier.

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Didn’t Deportivo beat Milan after losing first leg by two or three goals ?




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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:03

and what a brave penalty!
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:04

Well done Man U and OGS great result
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:04

I’d love to hear an interview with Jose right now




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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:07

Brilliant comeback over the tie, especially with so many regulars unavailable.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:07

Unbelievable.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:08

"Didn’t Deportivo beat Milan after losing first leg by two or three goals ?"

Yes, by 5-4 on aggregate in 2004 - but Deportivo had lost the first leg 1-4 in Milan. Man Utd's achievement was to lose the first leg by two goals at home and win the tie away.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/champions_league/3609737.stm

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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:11

Quote:

Raymie the Legend, Wed 6 Mar 22:03

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allparone, Wed 06 Mar 22:00

45 times a team has lost the first leg 2-0 in the CL and that was the first time the loser has won the tie. I'm just annoyed I never backed it when I seen it was 18/1 earlier.

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Didn’t Deportivo beat Milan after losing first leg by two or three goals ?


Deportivo lost the first leg 4-1 in the San Siro and won 4-0 at home in the return. Bayern managed an identical feat to Man U v Inter, in 1989 I think, but that was in the UEFA Cup. Lost 2-0 at home, won 3-1 at the San Siro.

Incredible result by Man U but not a pen in my book. What bozz by Rashford. You couldn't have blamed him if he'd skied it, a la Roby Baggio.



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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:11

Quote:

Raymie the Legend, Wed 6 Mar 22:03

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allparone, Wed 06 Mar 22:00

45 times a team has lost the first leg 2-0 in the CL and that was the first time the loser has won the tie. I'm just annoyed I never backed it when I seen it was 18/1 earlier.

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Didn’t Deportivo beat Milan after losing first leg by two or three goals ?


Sorry, should have said lost the home leg 2-0.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:12

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I’d love to hear an interview with Jose right now


You really think he cares that much? ... He has his millions to comfort him.



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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:14

Tuchel will be toast. Neymar will engineer a move back to Spain.
Allegri to PSG, Zidane to Juventus and Jose back to Real.




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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Townsvillepar  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:16

I can’t believe that there has been talk that Mourinho May be brought back to Real Madrid. Surely not?
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:16

I think Jose will end up back Inter RTL

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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: RhinoPars  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:20

Amazing result - Shows the importance of never giving up belief you can still turn things round
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:22

The CL has plenty of critics but the KO stages often offer unparalleled excitement and entertainment. Proof in any was needed, that it should have remained a straight knockout competition.

Have now switched to Porto v Roma, which is in et and seemingly headed for a penalty shootout.



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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: parbucks  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:30

Wow. Another controversial VAR penalty for Porto in ET.
Now 4-3 on aggregate with couple of minutes to go.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:31

Penalty for me, defender turned his back on the ball, jumped and made himself as big as possible, and whacked the arm.

Soon as he made the conscious choice of turning his back, he lost it for me.

That game was PSG's for the taking though, too much tippy tappy happy to just keep the ball and kill time, you seen when they upped the tempo they looked like scoring but didn't do it enough, smacked of arrogance for me, so glad they're out.

Glad for Ole, guaranteed the full time gig now surely?
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Big T Par  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:32

Absolutely stunning results

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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:33

Jose is even money favourite with the bookies to be next Real manager.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:34

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Wow. Another controversial VAR penalty for Porto in ET.
Now 4-3 on aggregate with couple of minutes to go.


I think that was much more of a penalty than the one Man U got, but Dzeko missed a sitter a minute earlier.

Roma have 3 mins to effect a second miraculous result of the evening.



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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:34

Porto, valid penalty as well, clear as day pull of the shirt.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:36

Roma might have had a pen themselves there. Unbelievable.



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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: parbucks  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:39

Some cracking games over the last two days.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:43

Zidane was being touted as next Utd manager.
I think OGS has just written his name on that full time contract.

Tactics to win games are the things that separate managers with the players available to them.

I think Pottercino (sp) and OGS are the 2 showing they are a class above at the moment!

Klopp and Pep have the players but seem to lack the tactical nonce to secure the result. Yes I hear the recent Spurs but he really had no right to be in the top 3 in the 1st place so job done!
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 22:51

Pochettino and OGS a class above the rest??? It’s the last 16 of CL - trophies aren’t handed out in March!
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Wed 6 Mar 23:18

Bandy I think you are missing the point.
It's not about trophies it's about what they are achieving with what they have to work with.

Little bit like Kilmarnock this year. Steve Clarke has put a team together and set up tactics to beat the better teams of players, based on transfers and player values!
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Johan_Cruyff  
Date:   Thu 7 Mar 00:19

OGS is the face. Hes the legend thats pulling everyone together and allowing the team to believe.

Be under no illusion his best decision was calling mike phealan. Hes the brains behind all of this i have no doubt. Top, top coach.

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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Thu 7 Mar 00:29

Sickening ! Fergie picking the team in the background . Fecking cheating
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Thu 7 Mar 05:35

Sorry Raymie and GG just got a chance to reply to your points on Tadic.

I do rate him but I'm not so sure a top 6 side would go for him. I reckon in today's market Ajax would want at least £30 million for him with quite a big chance it might be even more. Not many sides want to pay that for a 30 year old unless it's to fill a gaping hole in the team.

Breaking the positions he can play in down by team and giving him a role across any of the attacking midfield or forward positions I'd say:

City: normally one up top and four attacking midfielders. You've got Aguero, Jesus, Sterling, Sane, Silva, Silva, KDB, Mahrez, Gundogan and Foden fighting for the five places. I don't see Tadic replacing anyone from that list. Gundogan can play Fernandinho's role (obviously not as well as him) which would keep him in the squad ahead of Tadic and Foden's potential is scary so he wouldn't be a make weight either. The rest are probably all better players.

Liverpool: Klop obviously tends to favour the 4 3 3. His center midfield is almost always a destroyer and his front line is Mane, Firmino and Salah. I'm not sure Tadic is better than any of them. Possibly got better technique than Firmino but Firmino has a much better goal scoring record in England than Tadic and is a more natural finisher for a central striker.

Klop frequently deploys utility type players in his midfield and I think the 3 midfield positions would come from Fabinho, Keita Milner, Henderson, Wijnaldum with Lallana and Shaqiri in reserve. Tadic is definitely technically better than some of them but probably couldn't do the defensive side as effectively as quite a few of those players.

That leaves Lallana, Shaqiri, Origi and Sturridge as the players he could most likely dislodge. I'm not sure if hes better than Lallana and Shaqiri but if Liverpool were going to replace any of those 4 players, would they want to spend £30 million + on a player gone 30? I think if they could get him for the same money they paid for Shaqiri they might consider it but I dont think Ajax would sell at that price. Any more than that and I think liverpool would likely look for a younger player even if it cost them more to bring in.

Spurs: Have seen them use 352 and variants of 433/451. When they play 352, its almost always their full backs that play as the wing backs. Kane upfront with Son just off him and Eriksen playing with two of the more holding players from Winks, Alli, Wanyama, Sissoko and Dier. That leaves Lamela and Lucas Moara on the bench or to come into the side when playing 451. I cant see Tadic as an upgrade on the players in his positions. Theres an argument Spurs could maybe do with another player just for more depth rather than replacing anyone but Levy would never pay big money for a player over 30.

Chelsea: Sarri has a pretty strong idea as to what he wants from his 433 451. The striker will be either Higuain or Giroud and Kante and Jorginho will be two of the midfield starters. Hazard is their best player so after that you have Pedro, Willian, Kovacic, Barkley, Hudson Odoi and Loftus Cheek vying for the two remaining places. I cant see any room for him in there to be honest.

United: again it's another fluid 433/451 depending on the scenario. Pogba seems to be getting played in his favoured position on the left side of a three and the central player is going to be Matic or Herrera types or possibly both. Even if they only play one holding mid and there were still 4 places across midfield and attack; United have Mata, Lingaard, Martial, Rashford, Sanchez and Lukaku in there. Quite often it will only be the front 3 places they'll be fighting over. Again, I cant see Tadic dislodging any of those players.

Arsenal: seem to have played quite a few formations this season. Quite often its 2 from Guendouzi, Elneny, Torriera and Xhaka that provide the base of Arsenal's midfield. Sometimes 3 of them. The central striker role will be one of Aubameyang or Lacazette with either one of them potentially playing wide if not in the central role. You'd potentially have 4 places with one of them, Iwobi, Ozul, Ramsey, Mkhitaryan and Wellbeck fighting it out. I think Tadic is better than Iwobi and Wellbeck but I dont think he'd be in 1competition with Iwobi as he's a bit more defensive. Ramsey is leaving at the end of the season so I actually think Arsenal would maybe be the only club for me where he would have a realistic look in at a top six side.

I do rate him but theres already a lot of talented players in the positions he can play throughout all the top 6 squads IMO. In the cases where he's as good or marginally better than someone, I think the transfer fee for a 30 year old would put clubs off.

If I was a Liverpool fan I'd be much more in favour of going after someone like Isco who seems to be falling out with the manager at Madrid as he would be a clear upgrade (as he would at all of the top 6) and starter compared to the midfield that's there now.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Thu 7 Mar 05:50

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renegade master, Wed 6 Mar 23:18

Bandy I think you are missing the point.
It's not about trophies it's about what they are achieving with what they have to work with.

Little bit like Kilmarnock this year. Steve Clarke has put a team together and set up tactics to beat the better teams of players, based on transfers and player values!


OGS is working with the players that are getting paid the most in the league. There was always a good squad there and although he's done extremely well since taking over I dont think you can say he's got the squad massively over performing. 10 out of the 12 league games he's had have been against the bottom half of the table and those are games most United sides in the Premier League era would expect to be winning. The next run of games against the sides in the top half will be a better barometer of their league performance. They've done well in the cups and you have to think it will be either City or United for the FA Cup.

In terms of tactical acumen I dont think we can say that OGS is better than either Klop or Guardiola. Theres a very real chance that whichever one of City or Liverpool dont win the league will go on to set a record points tally for a runner up. City are still fighting for a quadruple and Liverpool a Premier League and Champions League double. You dont go that deep in competitions with duffers in charge. If nothing else Peps list of managerial honours and calibre of football should be enough to stand up to Oles two Norwegisn titles!
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 7 Mar 07:06

LPF - Thank you for your comprehensive post at 5.35 above, regarding the merits of Dusan Tadic. It's difficult to argue with any part of your analysis as to why Tadic might struggle to get game time with a top 6 EPL club. I did, however, sneak in a caveat :-)

'' on last night's showing, Tadic could "do a job" for any Premiership side.''

Tbh, I don't recall him ever putting in a similar shift for Southampton as he did in the Bernabeu. Perhaps he opted to leave the south coast for Amsterdam because Ajax's history was a magnet for him, rather than the salary on offer? He was certainly fired up on Tuesday night and Ramos and Co. paid for their arrogance in believing the tie was already in the bag.



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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Thu 7 Mar 08:56

To paraphrase LPF. Tadic is just not good enough.

With that lengthy analysis of top teams and their players and formationss, a job in Scotland's coaching staff surely beckons.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Thu 7 Mar 10:57

That would have been a more succint (and probably a less boring read!) way of saying it anyway!

I remember him getting 3 assists in a game against Man City at St Mary's and I think he got 4 assists in a game against someone but I cant remember who that was.

That being said I dont think either of those games were quite of the magnitude of Tuesday's win!

It was a bit of a funny one for him at Southampton as he was either a sub or substituted quite a bit so I think when the opportunity came up to move, especially to a big name like Ajax, it probably was fairly easy for him to decide to go. More surprised at Southampton letting him go so easily rather than giving him the chance to be more consistent.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: AJ27  
Date:   Thu 7 Mar 11:04

I heard a Saints fan discussing him on a phone in yesterday - his view was that he was a real superstar when Koeman was in charge (I think they finished in the top 6 then) but that he went backwards under Puel and no-one was surprised when he left. The front 3 at that time for Southampton was Tadic, Mane and Pelle which was a bit tasty.
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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 7 Mar 13:18

''To paraphrase LPF. Tadic is just not CONSISTENTLY good enough.''

Fixed that for you, mach1.

''With that lengthy analysis of top teams and their players and formations, a job in Scotland's coaching staff surely beckons.''

Indeed and he could take you with him as minutes secretary. :-)



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 Re: Champions League
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Thu 7 Mar 22:36

Helluva day and busy week , LPF
I’ll reply tomorrow




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