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 so how competitive is the scottish premier league?
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Mon 8 Apr 14:50

There was a post recently about how uncompetitive the Scottish Premier is and wondered if that’s just what we all think, or if the facts bear that out. So did a little looking into previous champions across a few leagues in Europe and found the following… i found it interesting so thought i’d share:

I looked for 3 bits of info:
How many teams have won since 04/05 picked and what’s that as a percentage of total teams in the league
How many teams have won in the last 5 years (since 13/14) and what’s that as a percentage of total teams in the league
Which team has won the most league titles since 04/05 and how many did they win

So from 04/05 season - in order of competitiveness:
1. Dutch League: 5 winners from a league of 18 (28% of teams)
2. Belgian League: 4 winners from a league of 16 (25% of teams)
3. English League: 4 winners from a league of 20 (20% of teams)
4. Scottish League: 2 winners from a league of 12 (17% of teams)
Joint 5. Spanish League: 3 winners from a league of 20 (15% of teams)
Joint 5. Italian League: 3 winners from a league of 20 (15% of teams)

For last 5 years - in order of competitiveness:
1. Dutch League: 3 winners from a league of 18 (17% of teams)
Joint 2. Spanish League: 3 winners from a league of 20 (15% of teams)
Joint 2. English League: 3 winners from a league of 20 (15% of teams)
4. Belgian League: 2 winners from a league of 16 (13% of teams)
5. Scottish League: 1 winner from a league of 12 (8% of teams)
6. Italian League: 1 winner from a league of 20 (5% of teams)

Single team domination for last 5 years - in order of competitiveness:
1. English League: Man City/Chelsea won 2 out of 5
Joint 2. Belgian League: Anderlecht won 3 out of 5
Joint 2. Dutch League: PSV won 3 out of 5
Joint 2. Spanish League: Barcelona won 3 out of 5
Joint 5. Scottish League: Celtic won 5 out of 5
Joint 5. Italian League: Juve won 5 out of 5

So I suppose, when rangers and celtic get back to winning the premier league, having 2 teams from 12 always winning is actually more competitive than la liga with their 2 teams winning it (Atletico Madrid was a one off) and Juve have dominated Serie A since 2010/11 so is clearly least competitive… but from what i can see, if you want to watch the most competitive league, then go Dutch!
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 Re: so how competitive is the scottish premier league?
Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Mon 8 Apr 15:20

You should always go dutch. It stops any arguments lol.
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 Re: so how competitive is the scottish premier league?
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Mon 8 Apr 17:12

The top league in Scotland has struggled to get even a third team to win it. The problem is, two teams have at least twice the number of supporters of other teams, they also get more sponsorship money, plus perhaps there might be a tenancy for the officials to give more decisions their way. Another thing is that with the excess money they can employ more coaches and have better training facilities.

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 Re: so how competitive is the scottish premier league?
Topic Originator: dover par  
Date:   Mon 8 Apr 17:34

The two ugly sisters will always dominate our backwater league.

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 Re: so how competitive is the scottish premier league?
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Mon 8 Apr 17:59

That was interesting, although over the longer term the Old Firm duopoly in the Scottish League makes it seem pretty uncompetitive by most standards - Of the 121 competitions, 103 have been won by either Rangers** or Celtic, and that shows no sign of changing.
(**leaving aside the the Rangers/Sevco controversy.)

But most leagues are dominated long-term by two or three clubs, even when attendances are much more equally spread than in Scotland. And this trend seems to be getting more pronounced, as success attracts money which brings greater success.

In Italy, Juventus have won 7 in a row, and have been Italy's dominant team over the years (34 titles out of 117). In fact 3 clubs (Juve, Inter and AC Milan) have won 70 of the 117 titles, so if you support any other club your chances of seeing it lift the Scudetto seem to be slim, although others do put in serious challenges - Roma have been second 9 times in the last 17 seasons!

In Belgium, Anderlecht's title-haul of 34 is more than twice that of any other club, with Brugge (15), Union SG (11) and Standard Liege (10) well behind - Union's last title was in 1923, and in the last 60 years, Anderlecht, Brugge and Standard have won 50 titles between them.

In Spain, Real Madrid (33) and Barcelona (25) have won 58 of the 89 titles, but having won 13 of the last 14 their dominance seems set to increase. Only three other clubs - Atlético Madrid (10), Athletic Bilbao (8) and Valencia (6) have been champions more than twice.

Similarly in the Netherlands, Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord have between them won 56 of the 64 titles in the professional era, so you would get long odds on any other club winning any time soon.

The Portuguese league is extremely uncompetitive, unless you are a fan of Benfica (36 titles), Porto (28) and Sporting (18). They have won all but two of the 84 titles and only five other clubs have ever finished in the top two!

English championships have been dominated in recent seasons by Chelsea and the two Manchester clubs, winning 13 of the last 14 titles between them. But others have had long spells as the leading club, notably Arsenal and Liverpool, and may well do so again.

Analysing German statistics is more difficult due to the changes in league structure and the effects of German division and reunification. But taking just the titles since the formation of the Bundesliga in 1963, it's clear that Bayern München are way out in front, winning 27 of the 55 titles, including the last six. 11 other clubs have won the Bundesliga, but only Borussia Mönchengladbach and Borussia Dortmund (5 titles each) have threatened Bayern for any length of time.

I would suggest France as having historically the most competitive league, where until recently you had a reasonable chance of seeing your local club become champions in your lifetime. Of the 80 titles in the professional era, no fewer than 19 clubs have been champions. Saint-Etienne lead the way with only 10, followed by Marseille (9), Monaco (8), Nantes (8), PSG (7), Lyon (7), Bordeaux (6), Rimes (6) and Nice (4). However, the rise of PSG seems almost unstoppable with 5 titles out of the last 6 and probably more to come.



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 Re: so how competitive is the scottish premier league?
Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Tue 9 Apr 05:56

You say “when Rangers get back to winning he league” The Rangers have never win the Scottish premier league, when/if they do it will change your statistics
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 Re: so how competitive is the scottish premier league?
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Tue 9 Apr 14:41

Quote:

1970par, Tue 9 Apr 05:56

You say “when Rangers get back to winning he league” The Rangers have never win the Scottish premier league, when/if they do it will change your statistics


Yes, very good! 😂
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