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 Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sun 14 Apr 20:57

Unsure why the original post was deleted - seems a strange decision but I’ll repost the thread to keep the healthy debate going.

Crawford has shown nothing in his time in charge to suggest he should be in charge next season. We should therefore open ourselves up to a proper recruitment process for a new manager when the season ends rather than what we did previously which was rush to a appoint an inexperienced individual who was already present within the club.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Sun 14 Apr 21:03

Agreed

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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Sun 14 Apr 21:07

I’d be worried if/when Davidson leaves. Craw not managed for 9 years and never recruited at full time level. Shields has never managed or recruited anyone.

We have to give him til December with his own team.

I like in hope that the fitba is murder the now as the squad he inherited doesn’t allow for any other way of playing.

Just sitting here drenched in my own negativity!
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 14 Apr 22:59

Has Davidson ever managed a team? I thought he was a coach. I find it weird that Davidson got most of the credit for our 5-game winning run but seems to be exempt from criticism now that we've hit a bad spell.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: DRreturns  
Date:   Sun 14 Apr 23:21

Calum Davison is not going to be here next season!

I’m here to take over!!
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Paristotle  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 00:02

Yip it's definitely Crawford's fault that a team he inherited hit the woodwork twice and missed a penalty. He definitely should have done something about that.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 06:11

It is crucial the Board gets Callum Davidson to stay.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 06:50

Quote:

Sliema Par, Mon 15 Apr 06:11

It is crucial the Board gets Callum Davidson to stay.


Why if we’re such a shambles and poor tactics etc?

I’m a fan of all 3 FWIW

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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 07:57

Appointment meh....results pretty meh.....football meh.
I've seen nothing to suggest we'll be anything but meh going forward....and I'm not too positive about McNamara drip feeding the signings.

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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 08:51

Quote:

Sliema Par, Mon 15 Apr 06:11

It is crucial the Board gets Callum Davidson to stay.


Why is that? Do you have some inside knowledge? There's an implication that Davidson is the main man in the management team, but we don't know that.



Not your average Sunday League player.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Lambo1885  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 08:55

"There's an implication that Davidson is the main man in the management team, but we don't know that."

Only when we win GG;-)
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 09:22

Quote:

GG Riva, Mon 15 Apr 08:51

Quote:

Sliema Par, Mon 15 Apr 06:11

It is crucial the Board gets Callum Davidson to stay.


Why is that? Do you have some inside knowledge? There's an implication that Davidson is the main man in the management team, but we don't know that.


That's why you should disregard the majority of posts on this forum GG !

Rockets.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: The Boss  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 13:23


“Appointment meh....results pretty meh.....football meh.
I've seen nothing to suggest we'll be anything but meh going forward....and I'm not too positive about McNamara drip feeding the signings.”


Totally agree.

I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 16:51

Sigh. Bump. It’s quite apparent, due to the way that the season is ending, that this “experiment” has now concluded and has been a failure. Can we open up applications as soon as we are safe, assuming we make it to safety, and appoint a proper manager who can lead us to success next season.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Paristotle  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 16:55

Quote:

Murchadh, Sat 20 Apr 16:51

Sigh. Bump. It’s quite apparent, due to the way that the season is ending, that this “experiment” has now concluded and has been a failure. Can we open up applications as soon as we are safe, assuming we make it to safety, and appoint a proper manager who can lead us to success next season.


Do you think it's anything to do with the squad he's inherited not being good enough, or just his inability to manage them?
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: evo!  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 16:57

Its a bit of both. He inherited a struggling team and a lot of poor players

The three he added definitely improved things.

Fact of the matter though like AJ he cannot change a game, but unlike AJ he doesn't at least attempt to play as much good football.

Probably done enough to keep us up, though not confirmed of course, but now firmly believe new manager will be needed..who I don't no

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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 16:59

The squad are rank rotten. That is obvious but it’s crystal clear that SC does not have the relevant experience. A shambles
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 17:02

Players are rank but I've seen nothing to suggest that he is the answer. The fact he has us in contention to go down considering the position we were in a few weeks ago is a disgrace.
If we can financially, he should be bulleted.

Awight Pat!
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 17:02

Chairman needs replaced before the manager.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 17:02

To answer Paristotle’s question, it’s both. Which makes the appointment a failure, he was appointed to improve us and I see no signs of improvement.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 17:04

We’ve got worse.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: 1981par  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 17:05

Chairman needs to explain
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 17:09

You could argue we have gotten worse since the appointment, however AJ was sending us down from what I witnessed.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: nightboat  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 17:09

I’m with Frank. This is an awful situation. The good spell seems to have been a period when other teams were having a bad one. Every team needing to fight at present is doing so, except us. The team inherited wasn’t that bad, but the managers have been.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 17:10

Yes, I agree that Crawford has to go. We all acknowledge that he inherited a hopelessly imbalanced squad, but it is clear now that he does not have the wherewithal to sufficiently change things around.

The five wins were what can only be described as a "sugar hit", for what has occurred since has revealed a management team bereft of ideas. This is the worst football that I have seen in years from a Pars team and there is nothing on the horizon to suggest that it is going to get better.

My fear is that we'll be playing Falkirk derby games in a lower league next season.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: wulliepar57  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 17:22

A rank rotten team and an a cheap option of a manager is killing us fans
there is absolutely no guile or commitment from them
Manager doesn't know how to change a game Yes it's all been said before !!
Like others if we don't get the finger out it will be the lower league for us next season Next week is a massive game now and I am sure we will be encouraged to support the Team , But who want's to go week in week out and watch that garbage , I dont expect the Pars to win week after week if i wanted that I would be a celtic supporter , But i do expect the Team on the park to play for the jersey
Will be happy when this season is finished , and then I await and see what players we have , not much from our current squad I hope
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 17:29

Quote:

SergioDuarte, Sat 20 Apr 17:04

We’ve got worse.


I think we have. 1 point from 18. Utterly inept
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 17:36

The Board appointed him within 22 hours of AJ clearing his desk.

It is utterly bewildering.

The greatest tragedy is he is now tarnishing his legendary status at Dunfermline.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: BlackLight  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 17:38


There's a lot of nonsense being spun.

SC took over a team that wasn't performing. He managed to deliver a series of narrow wins. Now he's suffered a series of narrow defeats (and the loss of a two goal lead at Thistle).

The sensible conclusion is that he hasn't really improved a team signed by someone else.

Does that mean he couldn't pull together a better team of his own? No. Does that mean he should get the job on a permanent basis? No.

We need to ask ourselves what sort of manager we need right now, in our financial situation. We need somone that can build a sense of purpose in a group of players that's going to change all the time, including loan players coming in. We need someone that can help players to improve (or they won't come on loan) and we need someone that can bring younger players through.

Who is the best person that fits that profile? I have no idea. It could be Stevie Crawford or someone else entirely.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 17:39

His legendary status isn’t tarnished with me, the board “panicked” and made an uninspiring decision which I don’t hold against Stevie. Make the right decision at the end of the season though, which isn’t employing McNamara.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 17:44

We’re stinkingl
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: dover par  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 17:44

Jim Goodwin gets my vote all day long.

"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing."
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: nightboat  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 17:52

Sorry but he is not legendary in my book so please stop saying he is. I’ve watched DA for 45 years and seen an awful lot of players that are more legendary than SC.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 17:59

Well I’ve watched us since 1995, he’s a legend to me.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 17:59

should he go? no imo but hes got a nearly impossible job next season as some opinions are well and truly set and wont change no matter what.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 18:01

I’m one of those who said give craw a shot till next December with his own team.

I’ve almost lost the faith in that. We’re rapidly approaching the point where I think AJ might have had more points the now and we’ll have been slightly better to watch.

Doesn’t look like the management can motivate the players. You have to set standards, I know we have injuries but you needed to drop Blair for his spineless performance last week.

You get a game for regardless by the looks of it, hardly motivates the players.

Punt craw and get someone who can actually set a team up properly in.





Just sitting here drenched in my own negativity!

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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 18:01

If he has us top of the league then we are hardly going to complain are we? However having witnessed his tenure so far he won’t have us anywhere near that.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 18:01

Crawford is a legend to a generation of Pars fans, that will never be taken away. Similar to Jim Leishman who is a legend to me and most of my generation despite lean times when he came back. Once a legend always a legend.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 18:05

Quote:

Par, Sat 20 Apr 18:01

Crawford is a legend to a generation of Pars fans, that will never be taken away. Similar to Jim Leishman who is a legend to me and most of my generation despite lean times when he came back. Once a legend always a legend.


Shouldn't land him the job though.

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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 18:08

Murchadh some will that's an absolute cert.

"You have to set standards, I know we have injuries but you needed to drop Blair for his spineless performance last week"

and play who? your favourite Higginbotham? another kid in Paul Allan? you have to put 11 on the park and we have nowhere near the level of player needed to fill even half of that!
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 18:09

Rasta you are correct it shouldn't, but our chairman and BoD thought otherwise, they could obviously see something in him in his short time coaching the U20 that he was management material, Crawford was never going to turn it down.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 18:20

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Par, Sat 20 Apr 18:09

Rasta you are correct it shouldn't, but our chairman and BoD thought otherwise, they could obviously see something in him in his short time coaching the U20 that he was management material, Crawford was never going to turn it down.


Of course he wasn't going to turn it down.. however if he's the man going forward my money stays in my pocket next season, simply not a manager.
And as much as I enjoyed the wee winning streak...I called it day one....uninspiring....and that's what we have...uninspired dirge.
I don't under any circumstances want him signing a team.

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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 18:35

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Sliema Par, Sat 20 Apr 17:36

The Board appointed him within 22 hours of AJ clearing his desk.

It is utterly bewildering.

The greatest tragedy is he is now tarnishing his legendary status at Dunfermline.


Its only bewildering if you cant do joined up thinking.

It was indeed the cheap option, which was indeed the only option open to us.

I don't think he is tarnishing his rep as a player.
Totally different thing.



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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 18:38

The chairman should have got rid of Johnston at the end of December. That way Crawford would have had more time in the January signings.

matt forsyth
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: gegganpar  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 18:43

At the end of the season AJ and S.Clark's contracts should be paid in full.
So maybe we can afford slightly higher wages for a new management team.

J angus blacklaws
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 18:54

Crawford will be the manager here next season no matter what. The board are a disgrace . The 2 year deal to AJ , the dithering about, more interested in attacking the support than sorting out the team. They are clearly massively out of touch when it comes to the footballing side of things. Jackie MacNamaras involvement seems crooked as anything. A proven failure. Crawford has been hung out to dry to an extent. He just doesn’t have it. The idea that an up and coming manager will be the next Pep Guardiola and hit the ground running highlights the utter naivety in the boardroom at the minute.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 18:58

Quote:

Sliema Par, Sat 20 Apr 17:36

The Board appointed him within 22 hours of AJ clearing his desk.

It is utterly bewildering.

The greatest tragedy is he is now tarnishing his legendary status at Dunfermline.


Have you stopped to think that maybe that's because they had a plan in place before they got rid?

Thought not but that's what directors worth their salt do. The alternative is the dreaded "no plan b".
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: 1981par  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 19:01

Crawford was clearly in the pipeline when AJ got the bullet
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 19:03

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1981par, Sat 20 Apr 19:01

Crawford was clearly in the pipeline when AJ got the bullet


Why is the question though...
What about him was it that screamed "I'm your man!"
Because it sure isn't on show.

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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: 1981par  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 19:04

I was all for SC. Cheap option but give him a chance. It’s clearly not worked. He will get next season.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 19:25

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1981par, Sat 20 Apr 19:04

I was all for SC. Cheap option but give him a chance. It’s clearly not worked. He will get next season.


Why will he get next season though?
Again...I don't see the reason.

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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Connor560  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 19:30

Legend when he won 5 on the trot. Now a fraud to some.

It's not been attractive but I'd give him it until December and see how he goes with his own squad.

C'mon Ye Pars!
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 19:33

Why run the risk of writing off another season .
I think he's proven that he has no idea how to change a game.
Threw a 2 goal lead away against Partick and has never manage to win a game that we've conceded in
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 19:37

If they had got rid of AJ in December Stevie possibly could have signed better players. I know that he has not had a good start, but it's the chairman and AJs fault that we have the sub PAR players. I have no idea what Jackie Mac does at the club. I was at his talk in Hospitality at the Ayr game, I think he has talk to the board but I do not know why. A waste of a wage I think.

matt forsyth
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 19:53

So who would you have brought in Sergio?

c'mon the pars

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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: The Boss  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 20:14

Get him out!

I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 20:46

Rastapari the reason Crawford will be here next season is cause we have no money. Don’t let anyone on this forum forget we are absolutely skint and we should just be grateful we have a team to support....

Time to get some ambition ffs and get a proper manager. Look at teams like Alloa who can always set up and get results against Ross County, Dundee United etc but soon as we play them we make them look like Barcelona.

It’s not all about budgets, proper recruitment instead of the AJ policy of signing absolute shite that played for you at a previous club



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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: dpard  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 20:54

He won't, but he should be released at the end of the season. When he took over the chairman said the squad were underperforming, that performances weren't good enough and too inconsistent. Crawford was tasked with improving that and aiming to finish in the playoffs. None of this has been met so he should leave. The results are as bad as AJ's and the performances worse.

The flame still burns
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 20:59

Quote:

gegganpar, Sat 20 Apr 18:43

At the end of the season AJ and S.Clark's contracts should be paid in full.
So maybe we can afford slightly higher wages for a new management team.


And how are Shields and Davidson being paid? Beggars belief people on here don’t understand the basics of running a business
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 21:03

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cammypar 1995, Sat 20 Apr 19:53

So who would you have brought in Sergio?


I don't think an open competition would be a bad thing.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 21:09

It's a pretty strange brew to me.

Stevie, Shields, Davidson and whatever McNamara does for us.

I just can't see the links.

As I've said before, I'll always be a Pars fan and so long as I can afford it will buy a season ticket, but whether I will attend all the games with the sort of rubbish we have just now is doubtful.

The whole club setup is just uninspiring at present.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 21:55

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mach1, Sat 20 Apr 21:09

It's a pretty strange brew to me.

Stevie, Shields, Davidson and whatever McNamara does for us.

I just can't see the links.

As I've said before, I'll always be a Pars fan and so long as I can afford it will buy a season ticket, but whether I will attend all the games with the sort of rubbish we have just now is doubtful.

The whole club setup is just uninspiring at present.


You stealing my line now😂

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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 22:00

Sorry Rp.

I just want to see some decent or exciting football at times.

Hence my comments elsewhere about Crossgates Primrose.



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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 22:39

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mach1, Sat 20 Apr 22:00

Sorry Rp.

I just want to see some decent or exciting football at times.

Hence my comments elsewhere about Crossgates Primrose.


Agree..

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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sun 21 Apr 00:10

Quote:

JamesAndrew74, Sat 20 Apr 20:59

Quote:

gegganpar, Sat 20 Apr 18:43

At the end of the season AJ and S.Clark's contracts should be paid in full.
So maybe we can afford slightly higher wages for a new management team.


And how are Shields and Davidson being paid? Beggars belief people on here don’t understand the basics of running a business


Very few of them have ever ran a business but nearly every one of them could run a fitba club.

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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: CrossPar  
Date:   Sun 21 Apr 00:35

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PARrot, Sun 21 Apr 00:10

Very few of them have ever ran a business but nearly every one of them could run a fitba club.


Unlike many boards of directors who seem to be able to run a business, but are poor at running a fitba club.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sun 21 Apr 01:57

Quote:

CrossPar, Sun 21 Apr 00:35

Quote:

PARrot, Sun 21 Apr 00:10

Very few of them have ever ran a business but nearly every one of them could run a fitba club.


Unlike many boards of directors who seem to be able to run a business, but are poor at running a fitba club.


I think ours realise this. I think Ross even said as much.
Is this not why we have got Macnamarra on board to advise.

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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: fergie  
Date:   Sun 21 Apr 02:55

We got a hell of a lot of half hearted players to get rid of before we judge the manager. I was there today an it's the most half hearted display I have seen in a long time and I am pretty old:(
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Sun 21 Apr 05:46

I am sure SC remit would have been to complete the season with a possibility of top 4 .
But most critical part to ensure DAFC safety in this league .
We have to realise apart from a good pre season and first few games we are no better than any other team outwith the top 4 .
The top 4 are there on merit they did something we were not capable of all season being good enough .
We are what we are .
We keep blaming the BOD and management . YES they have all made mistakes and unfortunatly through inexperience we pay the price for those mistakes .
But i think we need to be pointing the finger more at the full time players who are not producing the end product They are the ones not scoring , bad defending , and simply unable to put passes together .
These players must be accountable more than the BOD and management .We have had no leadership on the park all season .Profesional footballers should not have to look at the manager for answers but to come up with the answers on the park themselfs ...
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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Sun 21 Apr 06:51

Isn't it the managers job to motivate and organise the players .you can't tell me we don't have a better squad than the teams we've been beaten off since the turn in fortune .
I can see nothing in Crawford that would justify him keeping his job.
Furthermore The football style he's adopted is painful to watch.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sun 21 Apr 06:53

I have to say that I feel gutted for the trio of coaches. You can hear it when Stevie speaks. The reserve team under Greg has done well and Callum has a good pedigree.
The players lack experience on the pitch what we should have had was a few older and wiser players. Plus the balance is wrong. This is not the fault of our coaches it was the fault of AJ. I just hope that we can stay up because I don't think that we will be as bad next season.

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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Sun 21 Apr 07:04

AJ was forgotten about during that 5 game win run and in the top 4 Crawford was the best thing since sliced bread.
Now it's all AJs fault.
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Topic Originator: Parsweep  
Date:   Sun 21 Apr 08:09

Not all his fault . S Clark has to shoulder some of the blame . His pre match warm ups were more entertaining than the game's that followed . Invariably just involved him tapping a ball up for someone to half volley into the crowd . Then job done he would have been as well going home .

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Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Sun 21 Apr 09:13

Motivation should start with themselfs .
They are all big boys they need to man up
If I was expecting my senior management to motivate me on my work I would say i was under achieving.
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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sun 21 Apr 10:24

I am with Parsweep on this one. Watching from afar on Pars TV, the broadcast always closely focusses on the pre-game drills. Sandy Clark was very old school. Indeed, his drills were not unfamiliar to those of us who learned the game in the Sixties and rarely did the sequence change.

In contrast, Callum D takes a much more proactive role and there's far more variety and intensity to the sessions. It is a real concern that this is not translating into improved performances during games.

Surely, there's an essential cog missing somewhere in this wheel?

Like Rigger Al, I suspect that it is to be found in too many of our players' basic skills. I find it almost impossible to comprehend how a group of players who regard football as their profession can be so lacking in basic skills; their first touches, their passing, their shooting and general teamwork capabilities.

After yesterday's match, I was quite angry and joined others in calling for Crawford's head. Having slept on it, I am forming the view that provided we don't get relegated, he should be given an opportunity to restructure the side to his own liking before making any judgment.

Sure, Crawford's inexperience is an issue and a contributing factor, but seeing what is going on on the pitch, it is hard not to conclude that what is going on here is primarily down to the hapless recruitment policies of the AJ and SC regime.
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Topic Originator: RossDAFC  
Date:   Sun 21 Apr 10:46

Crawford should only be kept on if 5th place is achieved, I highly doubt the board expected top 4 from him considering where AJ left us. Anything lower and i'm afraid he has to go.
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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Sun 21 Apr 10:50

Wishful thinking ,he's shown absolutely nothing to indicate there'll be an improvement he's absolutely clueless with regards to selection, formation, motivation, and tactics .
Never managed to turn a a game around in all the games he's been in charge, neverending n a game we've conceded in and it's painful to watch hopeful balls straight down the middle won of which came straight back and almost led to a goal
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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sun 21 Apr 10:54

I commented during the live match thread that almost every single ball kicked by a defender was going to an opposition player. This has nothing to do with the manager and everything to do with the players.
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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Sun 21 Apr 10:55

The keeper for example hasn't the confidence or ability to be able to kick the ball into wide safe areas,
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Topic Originator: RossDAFC  
Date:   Sun 21 Apr 11:04

I agree i've not been impressed with the football but maybe he feels he cannot impose a certain style due to not having the right players? Either way, I don't think anyone was really happy to see AJ be given any kind of deal last season but he barely met the target of top 4 and no more. I feel like SC might be the exact same, limp into 5th and be given a one year deal. What worries me most is the notion that Jackie Mac is the man with the contacts to build us this new and improved squad. What he has shown in his previous roles (With York in particular) is an ability to capitulate. Can see us bringing in someone like Alex Harris from York because that's where JM will look, despite Harris proving at multiple clubs in the championship how rotten he is.
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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Mon 22 Apr 08:27

Just listened to Crawfords after match interview
Seems he had a crack and changing things after queen's proved the better side , then we conceded another after half time so he tweeted it again and thought we got back into it.
I think the only time things improved was after queen's decided to sit back and see the game out .
Showed on Saturday that he has not the experience to change a game ,I'm not sure if we have the time to "teeth" in a manager as patience is wearing thin, he should maybe get hi self s job in the bottom tier and start from there
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Topic Originator: beaston  
Date:   Mon 22 Apr 09:02

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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Mon 22 Apr 09:05

Maybe it is the chairman to blame them .
If he thinks that his experience warrants a job at this level with a team that is looking to get promoted

Just checked 25% win rate at East Fife before resigning and a 33% win rate here ,at least he's pretty consistent



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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Mon 22 Apr 09:26

I just hope if we have to go for the cheaper option...if that what the current set up is...that the club can be honest about it.
Because if they are here next season....any claim that it is on merit will be laughed at.

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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Mon 22 Apr 09:55

I'm happy to stick with him even if we go down (hopefully we won't). I started being a fan in 1965 (after the cup final). I have lived through the 70s when I used to get asked by my mum "how many did you get beat by". By the end of the 80s were great again and it got better. Sometimes we were relegated but we tended to get promotion. Then we started having money problems and everyone knows the rest.
When AJ got the job he built a great 1st division team many of the players were far too good and I don't know what the budget was then.
We got promoted and managed 5th place. However last season I was loosing heart with substitions frequently IMO getting things wrong and starting to loose games that we should have won. I got fed up and despite having a season ticket, I stopped going.
This season I have kept going but I was shocked by many of our players. They have not proved to be good enough and do not seem capable of working as a team. Our chairman and fellow board members should have got rid of him in December which would have let the next manager January to fix things. Stevie got the job and we should give him a chance to get rid of the players that do not work as a team. Next season give Stevie a chance no matter what league we are in.

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Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Mon 22 Apr 09:55

To Christmas with as many of his players and full preseason!

This does not mean waiting to August to see who is still left to sign to save a summer wage bill! As in previous seasons!

Jackie Mac and Callum can be key in bringing some top younger players to the club in this window and get some spark and fire in the belly of the team!
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ  
Date:   Mon 22 Apr 10:14

No chance should Crawford remain in charge. He remains in charge we’ll end up like Falkirk this season: doon.

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Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Mon 22 Apr 11:06

Who do we replace him with ? Jim Goodwin would be the obvious choice but im affraid. he will be touted for a lot better than we can offer

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Topic Originator: AJ27  
Date:   Mon 22 Apr 11:34

How about Dick Campbell with Josh Falkingham and wee Joe as player coaches? - should be good enough to get us back up to the Championship.
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Mon 22 Apr 11:51

The players we have are good enough to compete in this league, when they want to, that's the problem.

AJ lost the dressing room during his tenure and Crawford can't get much out of them at the moment.

The blame isn't solely with anyone, those 5 wins in a row that people say was luck or that its clouded peoples judgement on what's going wrong...

Those five wins in a row have ultimately saved us from relegation.

We need a clear out which is inevitable, I don't think Crawford has done anything wrong to not warrant a shot at it next season, and I think that will happen. Think the issue is the board giving him the job in the first place, he doesn't have much credentials other than being an ex Par and for where we want to be, we should've brought someone more experienced in.
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Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Mon 22 Apr 22:41

Renegade you hit the nail on the head, AJ always did business late in the day and you always felt it was to save on wages over the summer.

Just sitting here drenched in my own negativity!
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Tue 23 Apr 06:52

I always felt sorry for players who arrived for trials, did their best and then got regected.

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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Tue 23 Apr 10:16

There may be an element of truth in that comment about saving wages over summer. But I think this season it was really because of a number of pretty unpredictable factors.

Losing Clark was a given and with hindsight, he probably should have kept Cardle, but losing Morris was a disaster. Aird was another blow after agreeing on a deal. That left a bitter taste in the mouth. And then there was the fiasco with Willo Flood.

These events surely tore to shreds any plans AJ would have had for creating a strong spine to this season's squad.

He acted reasonably quickly to address the central midfield problems that had been exposed last season and certainly at the time we were largely satisfied with the solutions he had found there.

But because the Faiss negotiations dragged on so long and we apparently ended up paying over the top for his loan deal, AJ was left scrambling for adequate replacements at the back and players to bolster the forward line and left wing.

Jackson Longridge was a good signing, but Devine and Durnam were not what we were looking for. Connolly or Louis Longridge are surely no match for Aird or Cardle.

Managers always go into the close season with a wishlist of maybe 8 to 10 players for the positions they need to be filled. This time around, one gets the impression that we ended up getting AJ's 8th or 9th choices or maybe even in one or two cases, his 11th or 12th choice.
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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Tue 23 Apr 10:32

It boils down to wages and term and probably location .
A hundred pound a week could quite easily sway a player depending on club location/travelling costs.
I think that's why loan moves are attractive to small budget clubs
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Tue 23 Apr 10:34

I wish folk would stop stating the obvious or having a go at the board for giving Craw the job.
We wanted rid of AJ. The board worked out when they could afford to do that and it involved the cheap option of giving the chance to someone already on the wage bill.

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Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Tue 23 Apr 11:41

"This does not mean waiting to August to see who is still left to sign to save a summer wage bill! As in previous seasons!"

yes some players were signed in August in previous seasons but that down to trying to "save a summer wage bill", no imo.

"But because the Faiss negotiations dragged on so long and we apparently ended up paying over the top for his loan deal, AJ was left scrambling for adequate replacements at the back and players to bolster the forward line and left wing.

Jackson Longridge was a good signing, but Devine and Durnam were not what we were looking for"

the defence was sorted over a month before El Bakhtaoui rejoined, arguably the problem was they were too quick in terms of signing both Devine and Durnan.

"Connolly or Louis Longridge are surely no match for Aird or Cardle"

Aird chose to leave though so not much can do about that but they are different type of players for different roles in the plan of a different system but versatile enough to do other roles as well, can add in finance as well.
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Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74  
Date:   Tue 23 Apr 12:01

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PARrot, Tue 23 Apr 10:34

I wish folk would stop stating the obvious or having a go at the board for giving Craw the job.
We wanted rid of AJ. The board worked out when they could afford to do that and it involved the cheap option of giving the chance to someone already on the wage bill.


Why do people continually say Crawford is the cheap option?

His wage would be increased to match or close to AJ, Davidson’s will be at least probably more than what SC was on apparently not full time and Shields will get paid what Crawford was on...nothing cheap there
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 23 Apr 13:48

''Why do people continually say Crawford is the cheap option?''

Because on this forum rumour or opinion quickly becomes an established 'fact'.
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Tue 23 Apr 14:05

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JamesAndrew74, Tue 23 Apr 12:01

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PARrot, Tue 23 Apr 10:34

I wish folk would stop stating the obvious or having a go at the board for giving Craw the job.
We wanted rid of AJ. The board worked out when they could afford to do that and it involved the cheap option of giving the chance to someone already on the wage bill.


Why do people continually say Crawford is the cheap option?

His wage would be increased to match or close to AJ, Davidson’s will be at least probably more than what SC was on apparently not full time and Shields will get paid what Crawford was on...nothing cheap there


Because if they got a new manager with his assistant they would have still had craw to pay too.
Davidson was an afterthought.
Any decent new manager would want security in a longer contract. With Craw we have options if it doesn't work out.

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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Tue 23 Apr 14:29

Quote:

wee eck, Tue 23 Apr 13:48

''Why do people continually say Crawford is the cheap option?''

Because on this forum rumour or opinion quickly becomes an established 'fact'.


And that ^^^ is a fact 🤣



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Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Tue 23 Apr 15:41

You can sign someone but date their start date close to training beggining .
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Topic Originator: chewie  
Date:   Tue 23 Apr 19:47

He is on the verge of keeping us up, which would have been the target. We were heading down with AJ. Those 5 wins and clean sheets proving to be crucial, whether or not they were down the change in manager alone, I don't know. There was certainly a belief and the team were more organised even if there was still no flair. He signed a proven goal scorer and a midfielder who can hit a dead ball. Decent additions that didn't break the bank.

Unfortunately they have not kicked on from there. Players fault? Yes, partly. They weren't SC's choices and it's been a poor effort from them. He has to carry the can for not being able to get good performances out of them though. These are not diddies playing above themselves. They are experienced top end championship and premier league players. They have the pedigree. A decent coach should have been able to at least get some good performances from them. Hard questions need to be asked. I'm all for a clear out of everyone at the season end. Of the players contracted next year, keep all except Hippo. Make him an offer to leave.
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ  
Date:   Tue 23 Apr 20:54

Board - yous need to a have a meeting ASAP. Crawford was given a rolling contract which takes him beyond this season. He must have been laughing when he signed that. There is no chance he should be given beyond this season. Based on what exactly? The football has been absolutely dire, genuinely the worst I have watched since supporting the Pars. We got 5 wins on the bounce, fair doo's, but how many games have we lost on top of that? Don't forget the utter humiliation to an absolutely brutal Raith side in the cup as well as the defeat to the worst Falkirk team of all time.

There has to be a clear out from head to toe. I'd only keep one member of staff and that's Joe Thomson - and he's going to be long term injured. We need to appoint someone that can get us out this league instead of this happy clappy, 'should just be happy to have a football club' guff we keep hearing. We are a big club and should be challenging for 1st place regardless who else is in the league.

We get about 5000 turning up every week and they get served utter dug shoite in front of them. There is no chance teams outwith Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen, Hibs and Hearts would be getting the same crowds as us in the Championship. We deserve better as fans and we should be demanding better. Voices need to be heard and things need to get fkucking done or else it's going to be relegation stuff every season.

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Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Wed 24 Apr 06:56

An angry, but understandable post.
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Topic Originator: JohnnyW  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 17:08

Give this guy next season at your peril DAFC. Time to clear the decks both with the playing squad and management, get someone in who know's what they're doing because this guy is completely out of his depth.

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Topic Originator: hudza  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 17:09

He had his chance to get the job and has failed miserably.
Get someone else in next season.
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Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 17:10

They’ll keep him on because he’s the cheap option JohnnyW. Next season could be very difficult.
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Topic Originator: JohnnyW  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 17:12

Cheap option for me is to keep my money in my pocket because there's no way I'm getting a season ticket to watch more of that.

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Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 17:16

I’m edging towards that too JohnnyW. First time I’ve ever considered not renewing my season ticket. The board, management and playing staff give me no confidence at the moment. The board can change that by hiring someone competent next season. Goodwin would be my realistic choice.
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Topic Originator: dover par  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 17:16

Rookie ain’t working,dire stuff today again.

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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 17:16

I reiterate my original post which was deleted - Crawford out!
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Topic Originator: parbucks  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 17:16

We can’t afford the “cheap option”!

Crawford and his team have done nothing to deserve another chance.
What exactly were his managerial credentials in the first place?
He and Nielsen were kicked out of MK Dons when they were in 21st place.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 17:16

I've said on another post, keep them until Christmas, if no improvement then change before January. However they should be given a chance to build their own team. I would use many of our reserve players next week, clear out the chaff this week.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 17:18

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eastendalloapar, Sat 27 Apr 17:16

I've said on another post, keep them until Christmas, if no improvement then change before January. However they should be given a chance to build their own team. I would use many of our reserve players next week, clear out the chaff this week.


Why though?
Why keep them until Christmas?
Sentiment?
Politeness?

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Topic Originator: Parnear  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 17:21

Totally agree with JohnnyW. Starting the new season with a failed management structure and non functioning team would be a mistake and financial suicide. I will not be renewing my season ticket until I see some positive action from the board in the closed season

Bail out
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 17:23

Not renewing your season ticket is counter productive.

The quality in that squad is shocking, Crawford doesn't have the credentials to lead this club.

Its paramount that the Board get the next few moves right as it could really set us back.
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Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 17:23

Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sat 20 Apr 17:59

should he go? no imo but hes got a nearly impossible job next season as some opinions are well and truly set and wont change no matter what

nothing changed in my mind.
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Topic Originator: BlackLight  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 17:25


I love SC. He did a great job stringing those wins together. I think his transfer window deals were pretty solid.

Q. Are we any better off in the league than we would have been if AJ had stayed? I don't think so.
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Topic Originator: yorkiepar  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 17:37

Maybe Crawford won't want the job. Would you?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 17:46

Rasta clearly loving this tirade against Crawford. Quite sad. We're safe. An outcome I'm relieved and happy about. Chill the fk out and enjoy your Saturday night

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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 18:01

No you're right Rasta. Lets keep changing manager every 4 months until we find the right one. It's a little more complicated than that I'm afraid.
I'm certainly not going to make excuses. Today was more of the same. We didn't threaten their keeper once in the second half and the only goalscoring chance on target that I recall was the looping header from Longridge in the first half.
Even when we were winning games we were scraping through. The performances were the same but they seemed to just doing enough to win.
So what now? We can slag off the board all we want but they have very difficult choices to make about what next years playing budget will be and whether Crawford will be entrusted with it.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 20:44

The reason I said Christmas was because we would still have the January transfer window. If things are dreadful earlier then we cancel them. We held on to AJ and we didn't give Crawford much time to get players in hence most of what he was left with were poor, it would like to say that they were lazy, slow, not interested and pathetic. However perhaps they were doing their best and are just not good enough.

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Topic Originator: the saline hill puma  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 20:55

His sub today taking Anderson off and bringing on the useless Tw*t fais should indicate to everyone that he has no future in management. *****
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 20:57

To be totally honest I am past caring, I’ve never been so glad for a season to finish. Time to smash some beers & enjoy the garden & the sun. I will be back in time for next season, but by god do I need a break! I had to have a conversation with my six year old Pars supporting son all about the good & the bad times (he can’t understand why we’ve been so bad compared to last season) of supporting a football team.
Hopefully next season will be a lot more entertaining & enjoyable for all who wear the black & white. COYP!
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Topic Originator: JimMcDAFC  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 21:06

I am not overly keen on S C as manager but how can he do anything about stupid defender giving away penalty and another getting himself sent off for a needless foul in a no danger area. Morton were like us and not looking like scoring but as usual we give them a helping hand. We have been very lucky with other scores today but just need to be carefully not to do a Falkirk by Binning all the players at once even though it feels like we should. Going to have to consolidate next season if we want to stay up cause i think we have certainly gone backwards quite a way.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 21:41

I think it should have been possible for a manager to achieve a bit more with the squad we have. Some are saying our manager did well bringing in Blair and Anderson. They gave us a lift for a few games, we have survived but only by the skin of our teeth.

To start next season with a manager whose last eight games (assuming we lose at Inverness) produced one point, wouldn't make sense. On that evidence there's no reason to believe we'd do anything but carry on from where we left off - in that same vein of form - which we must avoid. Is a new manager the answer? If there is someone we confidently believe will do better, sad to say I think we must take that option.
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 21:42

We looked like we were on a training exercise doon the glen.
No attempt to pass the ball forward to anyone at any pace. Trap look around pass back rince and repeat.
Slow as Beechams.
I was actually falling asleep.
We are far too easy to defend against. I hope we get some decent sized aggressive runners in next year.
Oh! and the subs warming up...what was that? Professional athletes my erkie.



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Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 21:54

What on earth is the sports physio achieving now?

He arrived last season with much fanfare and promise of new regimes.

What happened?
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Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 22:47

Ajs team got AJ the sack, can’t expect they would buck their ideas up for craw as he was part of the old regime and the rot had set in.

Despite this, give him the summer to gut this squad (let everyone out of contract and those with a year left go if poss apart from beadling and j Longridge) and bring in his own players who he’ll presumably have scouted and ensured they have the quality and attributes we need. I’d be happy with a strong first 11 and a young bench to ensure we have some match winners.

However if he renews any of the current squad bar maybe craigan as a squad player i’ll very quickly change my tune, we know they are not good enough and suspect attitude wise.

Just sitting here drenched in my own negativity!
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Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Sat 27 Apr 23:12

I have never been so bored watching a pars team,as this in my 55 years as watching the pars.Enough said.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sun 28 Apr 09:28

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da_no_1, Sat 27 Apr 17:46

Rasta clearly loving this tirade against Crawford. Quite sad. We're safe. An outcome I'm relieved and happy about. Chill the fk out and enjoy your Saturday night


Yeah....I'm loving our club being utter garbage...Crawford has been a failure here and only sentiment is holding back an absolute mauling.
So you're happy to have survived...good for you.
I personally think you're butthurt because you know I called it....boring...insipid and uninspiring....and called it from the start.

I Hope You're Ok Today....
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sun 28 Apr 10:25

Quote:

Rastapari, Sun 28 Apr 09:28

Quote:

da_no_1, Sat 27 Apr 17:46

Rasta clearly loving this tirade against Crawford. Quite sad. We're safe. An outcome I'm relieved and happy about. Chill the fk out and enjoy your Saturday night


Yeah....I'm loving our club being utter garbage...Crawford has been a failure here and only sentiment is holding back an absolute mauling.
So you're happy to have survived...good for you.
I personally think you're butthurt because you know I called it....boring...insipid and uninspiring....and called it from the start.


You could argue the decision to hire him was correct in that he did his job and avoided the drop. We didn't think at the time we had any hope of the playoffs, he gave us hope with that wee run and improved the results but ultimately we failed, recent results and performances have been shoddy, I put that down to the players downing tools and SC not having the ability to rev them up.

The only issue I have is that Craw (if it had to be him) should have got a contract until the end of the season only.

Board also picked Shields and something with McNamara, the latter I think beggars belief.

My worry is people like Goodwin will be in the shop window after what he's doing at Alloa and we might have taken ourselves out of the running by making the sentimental decision to go with Craw because hes an ex-Par but when you look at the credentials he doesn't get passing grades.

A major own goal I think.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sun 28 Apr 10:30

At the time Crawford was brought into improve us, that was the hope....no?
Where did this survival pi5h come from?
Shoehorned in because if sentiment.

I Hope You're Ok Today....
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sun 28 Apr 10:34

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Rastapari, Sun 28 Apr 10:30

At the time Crawford was brought into improve us, that was the hope....no?
Where did this survival pi5h come from?
Shoehorned in because if sentiment.


He improved us enough to get 15 pts on the trot, issue was he couldn't sustain it.

I agree with being shoehorned in.

All depends on his contract situ, is there a clause at end of season to part ways or not.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Sun 28 Apr 11:01

If it really is true that Bruce did not signal he wanted to come off; then I utterly despair.

Our threat( such as it was) evaporated.
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Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74  
Date:   Sun 28 Apr 11:22

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Sliema Par, Sun 28 Apr 11:01

If it really is true that Bruce did not signal he wanted to come off; then I utterly despair.

Our threat( such as it was) evaporated.


Bruce Anderson had his poorest game yet yesterday and was quite rightly taken off. How many efforts did he have, did he run himself into the ground for the cause?

I like him but can see why he felt changing it may have produced something
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Topic Originator: Angus_W  
Date:   Sun 28 Apr 11:40

After the Rovers cup game I just wanted Craw to keep us up.

He's achieved that goal.

Craw deserves a chance he's earned it. I think this will come good but we have to show a bit of faith.

🔩 ya 🚀
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Topic Originator: DA_NO1  
Date:   Sun 28 Apr 11:55

I am just glad this place is the voice of all Dunfermline fans.

So many pessimistic people in one place.

Crawford will be here next season and will have a summer and full pre season to get his own players in place to work with.

Let him clear out the dead wood.

I'll put my hand in my pocket and buy my season ticket and go, I am hardly flush with money but Dunfermline are my team and I'll be there to support them thru thick and thin.



"a picture paints a thousand words"
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: parsmad123  
Date:   Sun 28 Apr 14:15

I think a lot of people have posted here with emotions still running high and without putting a lot of thought into things.

With the exception of Scully, Anderson and Blair this is AJ’s squad. It has been his woeful recruitment in terms of quality and also balance that’s led to where we are just now. Players who left in the summer were replaced by insuperior journeymen. He set up the squad to play 3-5-2 and after we got battered in our first couple of league games (United aside) it was clear the shape would have to change. Subsequently we have a squad with no natural width, absolutely no pace throughout and no creative spark.

The board made a mistake in that they gave AJ so much time in the first place. Please remember though this is a board with no experience in running a football club, but if it weren’t for their hard work and dedication (in particular that of Ross McArthur) then there wouldn’t even be a Dunfermline Athletic to support.

Once they finally made the decision to opt for SC and GS, there was very limited time to bring in fresh faces to help us improve. However, Blair and Anderson in particular looked like astute signings with Anderson in particular showing his worth. It is fair to say the spark that they first offered has faded away. Teams know Anderson is our only real threat and can nullify him with ease, mainly because our players are incapable of creating anything for him that doesn’t involve a 50 yard ball in the air.

Nobody was complaining when we went on a 5 game winning steak with 5 clean sheets. Yes, we rode our luck at times and took the few chances we had but to get this group of players to win 5/5 and not concede a goal is no mean feat and shouldn’t be ignored.

I think our recent slide again shows not only the little quality we have within the side but the lack of backbone. There is no fight, no passion, no leader within this group of players. When we go a goal down we may as well go home, if I was out on that park and looked around me at my teammates and seen the body language they give off then I certainly wouldn’t be fired up to make things right and get back into the game. It’s no conincidence that when we won 5 in a row, we took the lead every time. It gave the players some self belief but that’s quickly evaporated again.

A new coaching team can only do so much and to me all they’ve done is polish a turd. The squad is so limited that the main reason we set up so defensively is because we’re far too easily exposed by our lack of mobility and pace all throughout the team.

A massive clear out is needed in the summer. I’d get rid of as many of them as possible and start again. To me SC & GS should have the opportunity to do this and try and shape their own team and play the way they want to.

We need to, as a club, put this season all behind us and regroup. When the fans all unite behind the club then we really are a strong community. It’s what saved this club in the first place. To those saying they won’t be back or aren’t going to buy a season ticket, please reconsider your viewpoint. The less money we put in then the less we have to shape our squad for next season. We are one of the biggest clubs in this league and we have the potential to make next season something special if we just concentrate on regrouping and getting behind whoever is in charge, whether that is SC or somebody else.

Time will tell if it has been a mistake to go for this new management structure and the new personnel but the best thing we can do is rally behind or club and give us the best possible opportunity to make next season a memorable one.
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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Sun 28 Apr 14:34

With regards to pace there fais ,hyppo and Thompson .
Width fais higgy Williamson and hyppo can play there

There's plenty of talent in the squad moreso with Anderson there but need confidence and organising
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Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Sun 28 Apr 16:38

I think you have to give new managers 2 or 3 seasons. Personally I would have stuck with AJ to the end of the season to see if things improved. There are probably all sorts of reasons with respect to the squad of players recruited at tge start of last season and the contracts offered. That is behind us now and its important to look ahead and plan for the future. The new management team shoild be given the opportunity to do that. I doubt promotion will come next year. I think the club took a shot last season with Nicky Clark and Co. Financially, we may not be in the position to offer big salaries hence the focus on development.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sun 28 Apr 16:53

We have a club, however do we have any money. I will buy my season again as I have done for along time. The budget will come from season ticket sales. Unfortunately we do not have a rich investor, unlike Ross County and Dundee Utd.

matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: parsmad123  
Date:   Sun 28 Apr 17:11


“With regards to pace there fais ,hyppo and Thompson .
Width fais higgy Williamson and hyppo can play there

There's plenty of talent in the squad moreso with Anderson there but need confidence and organising”


Hippo might have pace but he’s certainly not got the finishing ability to play up front and he doesn’t offer enough out wide either. Yesterday is the first time he’s looked “up for it” since probably the 4-1 win at Falkirk. Fais runs but offers nothing else. Williamson will never be a wide player as long as he plays.

I dispute the fact there is plenty talent in the squad, as results and performances would certainly contradict that completely.
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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 16:58

Can someone tell me the last time we won a league game?
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Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:06

March. 11 or 12 games ago.

Next week is looking huge already.

Just sitting here drenched in my own negativity!
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Topic Originator: BlackLight  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:10


Grow. Up.
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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:12

Grow up? It’s a serious question.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:17

I think SC should only be judged on this season. So far he's done pretty well. We had a good second half today, things are improving gradually. So for me it's SC IN, and let's just keep taking it a game at a time.



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Topic Originator: Dafc1996  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:18

Last season was last season...... new young team, what happened to the not expecting much this season ..... Away and enjoy your Saturday night
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:23

For goodness sake!!!

We are 3 games into the season in a really tough league and our first 3 games were against tough opposition.

A little patience please and a few more games at least before the Crawford Out forum resurfaces.

DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: Mainstand83  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:24

I’m not going to say Crawford out but he definitely made mistakes today.

He tried to match up 442 via 442 and its obvious there players are better than ours.

To be fair he tried to change it dropped Andy Ryan deep and wide, however Andy is barely a championship forward , certainly not good enough wide or playing “number 10”.

We tried to play football out of the back however the goalie and centre half’s are just not good enough with the ball at their feet to do this. This meant Paton was taking the ball of Scully and as soon as the ball went forward we were a man down in the middle.

We have looked better with Turner or McCann behind Nesbit.

We are going to have to side another forward do replace Ryan , or play with the extra midfielder.

Either wise it’s going to be a long season
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Topic Originator: par-91  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:25

A week after drawing at Parkhead, we have our first poor performance of the season and this is brought up? Get a grip, seriously. Pathetic stuff.

We’ve cut the budget, gone with a younger inexperienced squad and you honestly think this is productive after one poor performance?

Yes, today was poor. But we were beaten by a team with a much bigger budget than us and upped our game second half and probably matched them second 45. If you can’t accept the odd poor performance and the fact that other teams just have more quality than us, then this isn’t the club for you.

A lot of positives so far this season, but it’s not a surprise to see things maybe taking time to ‘click’, with so many new faces and so many players who are new to this level and full time football. Patience is required, as has been pointed out so many times.
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Topic Originator: BlackLight  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:26

@Murchadh

He's building a new team. Clearly, that's been his mission since January last year. All he had to do last year was keep us up. He did that (just).

I see more drive, enthusiasm and talent in these players than the squad from last year. I'm not happy with the performance today, but Utd played well and we had a lot of players that didn't show up. That happens sometimes.

I was skeptical about SC getting the job, but his signings and approach to the matches so far the season suggest to me that he has a plan and that it makes sense for the Pars.

Dragging up the stats from last season when SC had a bunch of players that he didn't want that knew that he didn't want them is just pointless trolling. Let's judge the team at halfway or maybe after the first quarter. Not after a really tough start to the league.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:27

"We had a good second half today,"

I'm not one to call for the manager's head but that is stretching things quite significantly! United had three gilt edged chances in the second half - the penalty, the one that was easier to score from Pawlett and the header near the end - and while we had a little more of the ball against a team that was happy to keep things at 2-0 we were not "good" or anywhere close. The subs made a bit of a difference but even then we didn't hold onto the ball well enough, didn't create too many chances and were cut open far too easily.
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Topic Originator: MESSIAH  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:29

Today was pathetic IMO.

No creativity in the forward area.

Backing out of challenges outside our own box.

I'm all for giving stevie a chance this season as I know it's a young squad and all that but today was way below the level expected and was pathetic.

Cant recall any opportunities today except half chances for the header and dow in the second half.
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Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:32

No point in having Dow and coley in the team if we’re going to pass it about the back until Ashcroft punts it up the line. How are these guys going to ever get in behind if we slow the game down like that.

Nisbet was either half fit or could be arsed the day, hoping it’s the first one.

Morrison selling goals like they are going out fashion, almost sold 3 today alone.

Just sitting here drenched in my own negativity!
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Topic Originator: Scrimmers249  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:41

Last week after a defeat at parkhead everyone was full.of praise and positivity today we lose against best team in the league, with best striker in the league United will win this league this season with the money they are splashing around. Personally I had no expectations for today or this season. If we finish 7th this season we will have done well. I wasn't happy with the appointment of Crawford last season and he's done nothing to convince me otherwise.. was the cheap and easy option at the time and it will come back to haunt us
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:48

This forum makes you weep
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Topic Originator: Mainstand83  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:48

Scrimmers I agree with you but the least we should be expecting is to compete and we never don’t that today
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Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:49

I can’t see us avoiding a relegation battle this season. I’ve said from the start 8th would be some achievement. Utd could have scored 8 or 9 today. Tactically we were all over the place particularly in the first half and genuinely think Crawford made an erse of the starting line up. Morrison put in a performance of such low quality that it’s hard to remember a worse individual performance. Scully will cost us week in week out and Andy Ryan ? Well what can you say ?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:51

Quote:

Murchadh, Sat 24 Aug 16:58

Can someone tell me the last time we won a league game?


Google it if you think its important

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:51

"Topic Originator: GJS93 - 2
Date: Sat 27 Apr 17:23

Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sat 20 Apr 17:59

should he go? no imo but hes got a nearly impossible job next season as some opinions are well and truly set and wont change no matter what

nothing changed in my mind"

as I said....
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:53

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Murchadh, Sat 24 Aug 16:58

Can someone tell me the last time we won a league game?


Can someone tell me the last time you made an insightful post?
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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 17:54

Define insightful for me in the context of a football forum Rusty, I’ll respond in due course.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 18:01

It's a result driven business. Crawford's league record is simply awful. See how the team gets on over the next 7-8 matches. We need to start winning games at home.
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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 18:04

I hope he wins against Arbroath, he needs the win. It’s not been great for quite some time though.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 18:14

24th August. August FFS

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 18:15

It’s not though, this goes back to March as someone has googled for me.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: BigJPar  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 18:17

[Post Deleted] - Personal attack on another subscriber
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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 18:23

The abuse from BigJPar is completely unacceptable, I Hope appropriate action is headed his way via a red card. I’m not outraged enough to call for a black.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 19:03

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Murchadh, Sat 24 Aug 18:23

The abuse from BigJPar is completely unacceptable, I Hope appropriate action is headed his way via a red card. I’m not outraged enough to call for a black.


Away and play with the buses
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 19:07

I'm outraged. We haven't won at Kilbowie in years.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: fergie  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 19:30

.net meltdoon at its worst 😟
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 19:34

Far to early. Management need 2 seasons.
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Topic Originator: RossDAFC  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 19:36

Embarassing this is even spoke about, a change in culture at the club is going to take time and there was no illusion. Was made very clear at the start of the season. Win at Arbroath would be ideal but certainly not make or break
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Topic Originator: MESSIAH  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 19:46

Yeah we lost to the 'best team in the league' but they hardly had to work for it. United probably didn't even get out of first gear and they still won the game abta canter. We created nothing.
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Topic Originator: MESSIAH  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 19:50

Yeah we lost to the 'best team in the league' but they hardly had to work for it. United probably didn't even get out of first gear and they still won the game abta canter. We created nothing.
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 20:01

Today we played mince, everyone needs to man up and get over. We all have bad days & today everyone linked with the Pars will be upset. But come on.... no one needs to loose their job.
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Topic Originator: Swifty  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 20:06

It hasn’t taken long for the doom and gloom merchants to come out of the woodwork!! Yes we were well beaten today, but United have a big budget compared to ours. I think the best we can expect this season is mid table respectability.

We are in the process of building a young exciting, enthusiastic team. It didn’t work today. Maybe we started with the wrong team. Second half we were certainly better without creating too many (if any) clear cut chances. The stats show we had 55% possession.

I think our current pool of players is short of experience at Championship level. Maybe we will strengthen with the assistance of the Celtic cup money before the transfer window closes? It’s a tough league. Settle in for a roller coaster season. Let’s get behind the players and management team. COYP
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 20:25

Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 24 Aug 17:27

<<< "We had a good second half today," [onandupthepars]

I'm not one to call for the manager's head but that is stretching things quite significantly! >>>

I posted that comment based on Pars TV commentary. If I recall rightly in their summing up after the match it was said we should have scored two and I believe they said we at least matched United in overall play second half.

So I'm disappointed to find posters saying we didn't play well at all. (I mean I'm disappointed if we didn't really play so well 2nd half.)

I can't gainsay because I wasn't there. And I respect what you say Kelty.



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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Sat 24 Aug 20:48

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Murchadh, Sat 24 Aug 17:54

Define insightful for me in the context of a football forum Rusty, I’ll respond in due course.


Insightful isn't the mentality of bumping a thread like this straight after a defeat. Antagonistic.
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Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Sun 25 Aug 12:16

Yeah we lost to the 'best team in the league' but they hardly had to work for it. United probably didn't even get out of first gear and they still won the game abta canter. We created nothing.

that’s a bad stutter you have mate ps how’s your beloved Chelsea getting on?
Only ever see you on here after we play bad never after we play well sort of tells it’s on story does it not?

I have a great idea though you murchadh and berky should apply to be our new management team your wealth of knowledge should have us winning the champions league in a couple of seasons time but only on football manager mind

Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Sun 25 Aug 14:53

I am very surprised that a Thread, which ,ostensibly, reached its conclusion four months ago,has revived.

We are in late summer.We have witnessed an outstanding performance at Parkhead.We saw a great win at St Mirren.The first half v Dundee was breathtaking.

We cannot judge SC in a match with Dundee United.Games v QOS,Ayr,Morton,ICT and Partick are where we must assess him.

All during the close season fans came out with reasonable comments about giving young,hungry talented players a chance.I thought, then, I would believe it when I saw it.

A Thread like this was all too predictable.We need two experienced players on loan though.That is very clear.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Sun 25 Aug 17:24

I think this is a premature post. Its been one game against a team who will win the league.its a new squad, alot of new playerz and it all takes time. There is no magic wand. It will be about hard work and effort. SC is an honest guy. Everybody deserves a chance. Give them time and spsce and above all the supporters need to get behind the team for the whole season. Many said that 4th or 5th would be a good end of season finish. Ill stick with that. The team has room for development and the opportunity to grow as the season progresses.
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Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Sun 25 Aug 18:27

Yep good post, I still will be pretty happy with top half, mid table.

Get a foot in, and build from that.

Young, exciting team, they actually know how to run off the ball and make space! (hold your hands up every player last season)

Dundee Utd have been spending Premiership money for a few years, which they will never get back, at some point they will get it right promotion wise...

Think there will be plenty ups and downs probably-young players do that, got to say the ups have been great so far-that's the nature of the beast......and as a Pars fan that's exactly what we have always been!

First time I can ever remember us biting the bullet, having a strategy and ditching the journeymen on higher wages-good stuff.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Connor560  
Date:   Sun 25 Aug 21:03

1 win in 12 league matches...

C'mon Ye Pars!
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sun 25 Aug 23:16

It is a football forum and nothing printed could surprise me anymore. We have our share of belters as does any team.
Really was pathetic reviving this though.
Still for every walloper there are several well reasoned posts and wallopers are entitled to wallop if that's how they feel.
Long live Free walloping.

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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Mon 26 Aug 01:49

At 3 games in, this is far too early to start this silly hysterical outburst. In the first half against Dundee we played some fantastic football, which proved that the current crop of players have it in them. Yesterday was the only game so far when we were outclassed. Let's see how we do against lesser opposition before we resume hostilities. We need to let the guys bed in and settle as a team.
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Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Mon 26 Aug 10:50

A wonderful win at St Mirren,a great first half v Dundee and an outstanding unexpected performance at Celtic Park are all reasons for optimism.

I think Stevie has definitely made up for that hypothermic experience at Starks Park,Kirkcaldy!
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Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Mon 26 Aug 19:29

I think the period that SC took over half way through the season can be discounted. Most of the circumstances were outwith his control. Clearly there were issues among the playing staff. Those players have to bear the responsibility of that. They may have had their reasons but at the end if the day in any profession you have to put those to one side and perform as best you can. If SC and the management are going to be judged it should be at the end of this season. At the end of the day, if people are not happy they dont have to go to the games. I know football relies on supporter loyalty but my attitude is if that I am going to pay to watch, I am going to support the team. If there is no lack of effort then its nobodies fault. You win some, you lose some. Thats life.



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Topic Originator: ParsPryde  
Date:   Tue 27 Aug 11:59

People quoting stats which include games before the BetFred should remember something.... the team we have now has absolutely no resemblance to the previous team, so comparison is inaccurate and unfair.

It seems to be common acceptance that most of the players we had last season had come to the end of their time with the Pars, "Thank you, move along now". A massive clear out was done as nobody got pass marks for last season.

The team NOW is filled with young guys who want to prove themselves and as EVERYONE has said, will need a bit of time to get settled.

First competitive games were in BetFred. We won the group stage and progressed to be narrowly defeated by Celtic. A good result and actually better than most expected.

The 3 league games are 2 draws and 1 defeat.
We are disappointed/annoyed with the draws as we were looking like winning these but failed to capitalise on holding onto leads. Could be put down to youth/inexperience.
I expected to be defeated by Utd but had hoped that, based on our performance against Celtic, we would be able to take something from the game.

So by my calculations we have only had two "BAD" performances that resulted in defeats. 1 in the cup, 1 in the league so not time to panic yet.

Of Course if we fail to pick up points/progress in next 5 games (till end of September) then I will start to think differently and look to see what actions can be taken to stop slippage but not there yet.

I still believe our young guns can make us shout in happiness rather in frustration.

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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 31 Aug 17:05

I like Stevie, he has some good ideas and talks a good game. However, he isn’t a football manager. Is that now 11 league games without a win? It doesn’t make good reading whatsoever.
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Topic Originator: Scrimmers249  
Date:   Sat 31 Aug 17:19

for the love of god leave please and take that imposter/clown McNamara with him
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Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Sat 31 Aug 17:23

Awful result today and sadly not surprising. The first half against Dundee apart we have carried on our dire form from last season. Crawford needs to turn this round and quickly.

Awight Pat!
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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 31 Aug 21:01

The silence is deafening. I hate being right in this instance, however the silence from a few individuals above speaks volumes. I won’t be smug, I won’t be magnanimous, I just feel sad. Terrible and naive decision from our board to appoint an inexperience coach as manager.
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Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Sat 31 Aug 21:13

The dense as feck happy clappers even know Crawford is out his depth. Let’s not attack SC though. It’s the decision makers that are responsible. The board are now no longer fit for purpose. Bring in an ex legend player to manage us . Smoke and mirrors . I cannot fault their efforts from the business side of things. However running a plant hire firm or local roofing company is not the same as running a football club. Always the same ones giving it the big I am on match day. It’s almost like the club is working for them rather than the other way round.
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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Sat 31 Aug 21:30

Are you for real?
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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sat 31 Aug 21:50

Sergio has a point and I could be wrong but that is why Macnamaras company was involved to bring players in?
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Sat 31 Aug 21:51

Sergio, answers required ,how do you fund paying off Craw,how do you fund his replacement ,how do you fund new players ,did you want AJ out ? How is that going ?

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Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Sat 31 Aug 21:56

"however the silence from a few individuals above speaks volumes"

my opinion hasn't changed apart from adding the likes of Scully and Devine to it too.
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Topic Originator: RossDAFC  
Date:   Sat 31 Aug 22:06

I think Jackie Mac comes under a lot of criticism for someone who hasn’t even been involved in half of our signings. Dow has been great, Paton has had more good than bad games but really shouldn’t be playing in a midfield 2 (tactical errors = Crawford). Coley is very raw and needs time to develop and Mcgill... well there’s always one dud. Not sure he had too much of a say in any other deals - maybe Scully but Robinson was equally good/bad depending on your views. Got two key players out injured long term mind. I still think Crawford deserves the backing of the fans but he needs to learn quick and cut out the tactical naivety. It’s what cost AJ after all
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Topic Originator: parbucks  
Date:   Sat 31 Aug 22:12

“I still think Crawford deserves the backing of the fans but he needs to learn quick and cut out the tactical naivety”

That’s fine if he has the competence to make the right calls and soon.
The jury is out.



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Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Sat 31 Aug 22:24

Still only 4 games in. Two draws and 2 defeats. If it hadn't been for two penalties against Dundee we would have 4 points. Of course it's disappointing but things can still turn round. Panic measures at this stage could make things worse. My pal's a Thistle fan and they have had a worse start than us. Arbroath were never going to be easy and they beat us by one goal on a very windy day. Time for the team and the fans to man up.
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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sat 31 Aug 22:34

A windy day in Arbroath..... I couldn’t care if there was feking hailstones the size off rocks coming down, we should be able to beat them.
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Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Sun 1 Sep 02:02

Bit of the big boys attitude there. Arbroath deserved the right to play in this league and should be respected. They have a settled team that won the league by a distance. We have no divine right to think a win should be a foregone conclusion. Let's see how they do against Dundee Utd. there.
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sun 1 Sep 06:55

Get away man, it’s Arbroath, this is the problem, too much pansy respect we give out.

We should be looking at the fixture list and saying, nothing less than three points here.

We don’t though, we go on about how difficult it’s going to be in the conditions and the mighty Bobby Linn....will be a tough match etc, really is a load of nonsense.

We should have the opposite view, chance to really go at them here and rack up a few goals.

What difference does winning the previous league at a canter really have, naff all.
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Topic Originator: Parsbilly  
Date:   Sun 1 Sep 08:47

we are told that we can't use last seasons results for us, different team etc.

why then bring up what Arbroath did last season, can't have it both ways.

Crawford is not the main problem, he is just doing what he has been told
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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 7 Sep 16:58

We’ve now lost to Alloa at home, a result I’m certainly not delighted with. Where is our next win going to come from?
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Topic Originator: Boston Red Sox  
Date:   Sat 7 Sep 17:03

Unless you can buy one in ASDA I’ve no idea. He never was the answer and a cheap seat filling option as he was on the books. Needs gone, no faffing about until it’s too late for Mr Young to sort things out


Same rules apply
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par  
Date:   Sat 7 Sep 17:04

Crawford easy to get rid off with the rolling contract. Time we got an experienced manager in with a track record. No home league win since March.
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Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Sat 7 Sep 17:05

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Bannockburn Par, Sat 7 Sep 17:04

Crawford easy to get rid off with the rolling contract. Time we got an experienced manager in with a track record. No home league win since March.


That should read no win at all since March.

Awight Pat!
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Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sat 7 Sep 17:15

“Crawford easy to get rid off with the rolling contract.”

Depends what the terms are. If it’s a one year rolling contract he’ll be entitled to a years wage so will need negotiated. I’m not sure of the terms of the rolling contract tbh.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Sat 7 Sep 17:30

Longer Crawford is in charge then the longer we will spend near the bottom of the league. He’s absolutely hopeless and god knows why we promoted a coach who was apart of the problem last season with AJ
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Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Sat 7 Sep 18:22

We promoted A.Js coach then let him bring in his mate as assistant absolute disgrace

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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Parsbilly  
Date:   Sat 7 Sep 18:31

Some who give it the big I am at the club have been so far up Crawford's bottom for the past few months, dropping him like a stone now that results are bad
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Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Sat 7 Sep 19:07

If Crawford was any good surely we’d have witnessed it by now? Preseason cup games are irrelevant. Its been poor for a long time now. Falkirk and the Rovers are down in league 1 for the hard of thinking btw. It could easily be us . Happy clap your dish off by all means but we are a mess .
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Topic Originator: southsidejonny  
Date:   Sat 7 Sep 19:23

Loved Stevie as a player but this is not good enough. It's not an easy decision but I think we should bite the bullet now and replace Stevie. I just think that recruitment, tactics and motivation have all been poor. Of course it is all subject to financial considerations but I think we should spend the money from the Celtic game sooner rather than later. This is not just based on this seasons performances but the inept displays at the end of last season.
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Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Sat 7 Sep 19:25

so the cup games this season are irrelevant but the league games from last season are relevant?

"god knows why we promoted a coach who was apart of the problem last season with AJ"

unless it changed in the final month or couple of months, he wasn't coaching the first team day in day out, doing sessions etc, it was very much the Clark and Johnston show in that order.
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Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Sat 7 Sep 19:26

Surely when it s more than one manager who is struggling, we have to look at who is appointing them. Is the experience required elsewhere within the club also.
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Topic Originator: FRED1981  
Date:   Sat 7 Sep 19:32

We fecked it up when Goodwin was there for the taking
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Sun 8 Sep 00:41

You have to give him a season at least. Big changes at the club over the summer. On the bright side we can only get better.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Sun 8 Sep 00:46

Suppose this squad could be good in league one, give Crawford the season and that’s where we will end up
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Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Sun 8 Sep 01:08

A season could mean us relagated on this form India. He should have till November to turn it around or he deserves to get punted. Record last season was disgusting and this is his team, literally no improvement
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Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Sun 8 Sep 03:05

I think that League one is a possibility. It will be a tough league and players will need to learn quickly. It may mean a return to part time football but perhaps financially thats where we are heading. I think the biggest concern for me is that we are being beaten by part time clubs. That should never happen 9 times out of 10. If you sign players who are full time and who want to step up to mens football need to make the transition very quickly as this league is unforegiving. I do wonder what options we have other than seeing out the season and hoping we can improve over the months ahead and ultimately stay up.
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Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Sun 8 Sep 07:03

For a long time we have said "The Jury Is Out".

This coming Saturday we go into the League Match with Inverness CT 6 months and 5 days since our last League win.

Stevie is very likeable.He is a club legend as a Player.

However,let us make one thing abundantly clear.

On Saturday the Jury will return with the verdict.

After defeats to Edinburgh City,Arbroath,Alloa Ath, and the grim 1 point from 8 matches at the end of last season: all credit is exhausted.

As is our patience.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sun 8 Sep 07:47

Quote:

Indiapar, Sun 8 Sep 00:41

You have to give him a season at least. Big changes at the club over the summer. On the bright side we can only get better.


We can't give a record thus far so bad a whole season if nothing changes quickly,madness.

I Hope You're Ok Today....
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Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Sun 8 Sep 07:57

20 league games.

5 wins

Not good enough.
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Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Sun 8 Sep 08:02

I remember that most rational and supportive of posters,wee eck,highlighted the depressing stats in a Thread on 27th April.

It has now got far worse.

Stevie's record does not bear comparison with AJ's.
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Topic Originator: Parsbilly  
Date:   Sun 8 Sep 08:06

Yet AJ was hung out to dry by the board who said there were real issues and problems behind the scenes? He needed to go and his time was up, but some were not too classy about the way he went. Craw was already told the job was his
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Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Sun 8 Sep 08:10

And,as we all discussed getting in a proper Manager to take us forward ,eg Peter Houston ,Darren Young ,Billy Reid et al; Stevie was appointed within 22 hours.

Was there even an advert?
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Topic Originator: Parsbilly  
Date:   Sun 8 Sep 08:12

You know the answer is no. Craw already had the job before AJ left but the director behind that will be distancing himself now



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Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Sun 8 Sep 08:27

Another couple of losses and it will be time for a board statement, either back him or sack him

They will dither over it though and cross fingers in the hope that it will all be ok, ostrich management never works and the lessons from the past need to be learned

They dithered over JJ, they dithered over JP, they dithered over AJ

Let’s be positive for once and when/if the time comes look properly at who is available and not who is the most cost effective.

On the past decision making process they will dither till Christmas then give the job directly to Greg Shields (he may be the best man for the job but whoever else is around should be considered)

Let’s just hope we are all wrong and SC manages to turn it round in the very very near future
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Topic Originator: Hail2Crail  
Date:   Sun 8 Sep 08:31

Sack the board
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Topic Originator: dpard  
Date:   Sun 8 Sep 08:44

Not sure Greg Shields would want the job. His focus and enjoyment seems to be from improving youngsters.
Hopefully IF a new manager came in, we could keep Greg in this role.

The flame still burns
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sun 8 Sep 16:54

How is Sunderland doing at present?

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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Sun 8 Sep 17:14

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Sliema Par, Sun 8 Sep 08:10

And,as we all discussed getting in a proper Manager to take us forward ,eg Peter Houston ,Darren Young ,Billy Reid et al; Stevie was appointed within 22 hours.

Was there even an advert?


Yeah it was on S1 Jobs mate, like all the managerial positions. I saw it.
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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 16:54

It’s all about results, I would argue Stevie’s position is now untenable.
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Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 16:56

He has to go . Utterly shambolic. The board have try to con the fans. Anyone with half a brain could see that. Absolute disgrace
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Topic Originator: RMGpar  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 16:59

Proper manager , Darren Young? You joking.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 17:00

John Robertson would be my choice
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Topic Originator: The moose  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 17:01

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SergioDuarte, Sat 14 Sep 16:56

He has to go . Utterly shambolic. The board have try to con the fans. Anyone with half a brain could see that. Absolute disgrace


This cannot go on! Taxi for Crawford and Dair.
Absolute shambles! 🚖😥

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Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 17:01

The silence from the board is hilarious. Not so quick to speak up when they’re in the firing line. They’ve made a massive mistake here and it’s now time to pay the piper.
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Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 17:10

Would love to see Ian McCall at the club. A decent experienced manager who has Ayr Utd punching well above their weight. Crawford is well out his depth (as well as the board).
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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 17:11

McCall would be an excellent choice - it was ridiculous that we didn’t open up for applications after sacking AJ or pursuing proven targets such as McCall.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 17:12

I don't think that he would come here.

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Topic Originator: Scrimmers249  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 17:14

no way Ian McCall is leaving Ayr for us. we are a shambles
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Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 17:14

Folk saying McCall, Robertson, Jack Ross, etc. are out of their mind. Where is the money coming from? If Crawford does get the sack (and I don't think he will), it'll be McNamara and/or Shields. The Bunnet is about the only realistic outside option.
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Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 17:20

We did not even trouble the goalkeeper today

I’m sorry but this is not working, experiment has failed spectacularly

We are bottom the league and not looking like anything other than a relegation candidate, the board need to be decisive and admit that they got it wrong and act quickly to rectify

I expect some dithering and nothing happening till it’s too late
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 17:29

Just out of curiosity, where did the money come from to sign some of the players this season? The board have made two massive mistakes in the last two seasons and need to put their hands in their pockets to rectify it.
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Topic Originator: RMGpar  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 17:32

Money came from the sale of jackson..

Why would.mccall come here? Seen someone say Billy Davis, it's not football manager
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 17:33

Anything to say Mr McArthur?
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Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 17:37

I think we are in the same position as we were with AJ. we are better playing games and defending for 90 minutes as we did against Celtic just to start getting points. I dont think we are at the stage where we can look to go out and win games yet in this league.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 17:52

Changing the manager would be madness give him until Christmas at least
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Topic Originator: RossDAFC  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 17:55

Mcarthur also has to go if the fingers are being pointed. Mistake after mistake from the top down. He may be a well thought of person but he doesn’t know how to run a football club.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 17:57

Give him to Christmas then we’ll be confirmed relegation
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Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 18:16

Crawford was the cheap option so surely cheap to punt him ? An absolute car crash. It’s a fecking auld pals boys club. You see these boys hanging about the club smashing the hospitality.Comped up for every game . Drastic changes required. Error after error.
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Topic Originator: Parsbilly  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 18:54

Same faces hanging about Director boxes every away game as well, pals who are there for a freeload. Some things never change



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Topic Originator: DrumRoad  
Date:   Sat 14 Sep 19:01



“Same faces hanging about Director boxes every away game as well”

They are commonly known as Directors!!!


It’s a pity .net doesn’t have an age limit for using the forums as there are far to many weans posting on here........ it’s pretty sad & embarrassing reading a lot of the drivel on this particular thread

2015/16 League one Winners
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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 16:50

FAO DrumRoad - this pains me to post this, however, Crawford Out! We can’t even beat Alloa at home!
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: FA1968  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:00

and so it begins,

again
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:01

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Murchadh, Sat 28 Sep 16:50

FAO DrumRoad - this pains me to post this, however, Crawford Out! We can’t even beat Alloa at home!



Imagine waiting until the whistle blows to post this pathetic

c'mon the pars
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:02

Has to go!!! Honestly can't believe anyone can defend his record. Any other team and he would have got the bullet well before now.
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Topic Originator: BlackLight  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:03


Can't we just delete this tiresome tirade?
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Topic Originator: 1957Par  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:04


Really. What gives you the right to demand we win every game. Some of you on here need to wake up, get back and read the chairman's comments on developing a new type of running the team, with the emphasis on youth. They will be inconsistent. IE, we will not win every game.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:08

Time to go. Absolutely pathetic record as manager
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:08

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Murchadh, Sat 28 Sep 16:50

FAO DrumRoad - this pains me to post this, however, Crawford Out! We can’t even beat Alloa at home!


Posting stuff like this is fine so long as you back it up with a financial plan to pay off him and Dair plus pay a new manager who might fare not much better than Crawford. We could chuck money at it and still get relegated.

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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:10

Wow. I can’t believe we don’t think we should win at home to Alloa.
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:16

Win record speaks volumes

We show no signs of improvement. Strap yourselves in for a relegation scrap with the other no-marks.

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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:20

The form at home cant be defended?? Seriously? Wonder when we win again at home, 7 months is a long time tae wait.....
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Topic Originator: Geordiepar  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:21

I was at the match for the first time today in a while. I think we have signed some really good players, but we are playing as 11 individuals and not a team.

We don’t press the opposition as a team, our movement off the ball is woeful.

Our best moments came when we break quickly and players like Dow or Coley run at the opposition. So of course whenever Gill gets the ball back he keeps hold of it for an age before punting the ball back to the opposition. For first 70 minutes we had no-one down the left, and no-one looking for the ball hence the long, useless punts.

Even in the warm-ups before the game, Alloa’a drills were about pressing as a team, whereas ours was just players pressing individually.

In my mind, having seen that today we need to get shot of Crawford asap. He is responsible for the tactics, and for getting the players to play as a unit. In this regard he is failing, and badly. I think given the reduced budget, some of the signings are good. We just need to get the players to play as a team. I 100% believe that with exactly the same players, a decent manage would have us up at he other end of the table. For that reason, Crawford has to go.
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Topic Originator: squish  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:22

6 points from first seven games. Not acceptable!


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Topic Originator: marspar  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:27

We've not played the same since Davidson left.
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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:29

Where is DrumRoad? He was quick to criticise last week?
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Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:32

This is seriously worrying stuff. I fear we missed the boat not trying to get McCall as I can see Patrick getting the play offs now. Crawford doesn’t seem the type to motivate or give confidence to the players. Apart from the first 15 mins, we looked lost. We need to be looking at clubs like Ayr, Hamilton and Livingston and try and take a leaf out of their book on how to run a club from top to bottom.
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Topic Originator: evo!  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:36

Geordiepar wrote:

> In my mind, having seen that today we need to get shot of Crawford asap. He is responsible for the tactics, and for getting the players to play as a unit. In this regard he is failing, and badly. I think given the reduced budget, some of the signings are good. We just need to get the players to play as a team. I 100% believe that with exactly the same players, a decent manage would have us up at he other end of the table. For that reason, Crawford has to go.

This is how i feel. Many of our new players (especially Comrie, Turner, Dow, Nesbit, Edwards, Murray) are well regarded by the fans. And i like the look of them too. So as a result I believe a better manager can only make a better impact and get better results. Things are never quite that simple though.

Crawford took over a side of poor players for the most part this year. He has added better players, with a better mentality, but he lacks something...i dont no what.. but the players a better manager to reach their potential
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:44

Should've won with room to spare, if Ryan had missed the 3 chances Nisbet missed he wouldn't be allowed back in the town.

The worrying thing for me was lack of effort when out of possession, particularly when the ball was in the Alloa half.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:48

I would never have thought a better manager would get more out of our players. Thank the lord for .net

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:54

He lacks any sort of oomph....there's simply nothing there.
Partick were absolutely shocking last week, one week with a proper manager and boom.

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Topic Originator: steaua  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 17:55

Ross McArthur, does not make all the decisions you know. There is a board of Directors ,
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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 18:00

Dick Campbell
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Topic Originator: koss  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 18:56

Our record at home over the years is bad because the minute something goes t*t*up we then get on the players backs like a bunch of howling hyenas.This is a young team that needs time and giving them a fear to play at East End is not helping.As for sacking Stevie,he could have tried umpteen different formations and there would be some fans that thought it was a s**t call.We can't afford a change anyway so let it go and get behind Stevie and the team through good or bad If Dow wasn't injured at a crucial time things might not have been so critical.We are in the area of the table that a run pulls you straight up the table or a draw /defeat kills you.Let's try and lose the most fickle fans on planet Earth tag(IMO).We are so much better than that!COYP YA MOTHER******S
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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 18:58

Lol.
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Topic Originator: hudza  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 19:06

At no point today did the fans get on the players backs
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Topic Originator: DrumRoad  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 19:14

Topic Originator: Murchadh
Date: Sat 28 Sep 16:50

“FAO DrumRoad - this pains me to post this, however, Crawford Out! We can’t even beat Alloa at home!”

Took you 2 minutes after the final whistle for you to once again promote this tiresome thread Murchadh, sitting waiting with your phone in hand obviously”
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Topic Originator: BlackLight
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:03

“Can't we just delete this tiresome tirade?”

Admin, I would gladly second this, it’s not so much the content but the incessant reposting of one mans narcissistic ambitions
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Topic Originator: Murchadh like | nolike
Date: Sat 28 Sep 17:29

“Where is DrumRoad? He was quick to criticise last week?”

Murchadh, I have a life outside .net & let’s be clear, my criticism which was on the Partick v Pars match thread, was of you & your tiresome regurgitation of this thread you actually started last season.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 19:40

Quote:

Murchadh, Sat 28 Sep 16:50

FAO DrumRoad - this pains me to post this, however, Crawford Out! We can’t even beat Alloa at home!


Pretty pathetic posting this a minute after full time

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: wulliepar57  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 19:44

I am like others , not happy with performances and results
But we have to give him a little more time to try and turn draws into wins !
it was draws that fecked us last year
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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 19:48

Wullie we will get a doing off the top teams in this league.
Crawford is totally out of his depth imo.
He got fired from east fife ffs!
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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 19:56

There’s life outside of .net?
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Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 19:58

I didnt think we played that badly snd Alloa came to defend pretty much and hit us on the break. The main thing for me is that we never lost and also scored a goal. I do believe that we will improve as the season gpes on. I thought the players looked more comfortable on the ball and we are starting to look more settled. Im not that disappointed.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 19:58

Koss😂
Shandy too far or outstanding satire?
Genius or chunderhoof?

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Topic Originator: koss  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 20:15

Honest reflections my man.Too many negative waves on this site.Oh and by the way I'm fine thanks.Yours affectionately, Chunderhoofpar. I might have to change my name.LOL
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 20:17

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koss, Sat 28 Sep 20:15

Honest reflections my man.Too many negative waves on this site.Oh and by the way I'm fine thanks.Yours affectionately, Chunderhoofpar. I might have to change my name.LOL


Here, I asked that question genuinely, I was leaning toward genius personally...

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 20:25

Give him a bit time. If Crawford does go, it'll be Greg Shields that gets the top job, he didn't come back from America without some incentive.
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Topic Originator: dover par  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 20:29

Bunch o moanin hoors!
The management ain't going to change anytime soon so instead of constantly whinging why not TRY and support your team.

"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing."
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Topic Originator: koss  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 20:34

Exactamundo dude.MORE positive messages start from here.
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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 20:37

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BlackLight, Sat 28 Sep 17:03

Can't we just delete this tiresome tirade?


Majority wins in cases like these.
If the majority want the thread to stay... It stays.
As long as it doesn't break any of the site rules... Which it hasn't... So far anyhoo 😉



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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 20:54

If people don’t want to contribute to it then stop contributing to it, it’s as simple as that. It’s effectively how threads on a forum work.
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: summeragent  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 21:48

I support the Pars whatever, however with dwindling crowds and lack lustre performances I can see the club in a downward spiral. We have great potential at Pars but need a good manager to ‘kick us’ on. The current setup is poor and we under achieve every week. Things have to change. We need a good manager who will improve performances, results and revenues. The alternative is we stick with poor performances and results week in and out and dream on. Crawford is not the man for the job. Ian McCall would have turned our performances around. Make no mistake a season of this and we never get our support back - the club is massively in decline. Its commendable that people want to support the current set up yet the reality is the club is going down the pan - look at the crowd today and the lack of atmosphere.

Stick with Crawford and endure a season of sub standard performances. The BOD needs to wake up to the reality of managing a football club. If struggling to compete with Alloa and Arbroath is acceptable then I disagree.

I pray for change. Performances are unacceptable and we need to be a strong competitive club we can be proud of once again. A bold change is needed now.
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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 28 Sep 22:22

Lol at the person disliking a point that is completely indisputable.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 29 Sep 06:04

I noticed that nobody bumped this thread up on the 21st.....

Disappointing result yesterday in that we want to win winnable home games, but it was far from the worst performance I've seen from a Pars team.

We missed some very decent chances against a dogged and well organised side which wasn't slow to take down any Pars player who looked like posing a threat on their goal.

A number of fans appear to think that removing the current manager will automatically change our fortunes for the better. Probably the same fans who were agitating for the sacking of AJ.

Some have said we missed the boat on Ian McCall. Do they know for certain that we could afford his wages and that he would have been happy to leave Ayr for us? He's on record as saying his decision to go to Partick was an emotional one. It'll be interesting to see how he does there. Yesterday was a good start for him but it's only one game.



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Topic Originator: par-adise  
Date:   Sun 29 Sep 08:05

Murchadh, everytime I see this thread I want Crawford to stay that little bit more.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sun 29 Sep 08:16

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par-adise, Sun 29 Sep 08:05

Murchadh, everytime I see this thread I want Crawford to stay that little bit more.


Utter stupidity, you want a manager to stay more because of a thread even if results are garbage.
You're a true hero.

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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 17:04

Still wanting him to stay par-adise?
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Topic Originator: Craigston_Par  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 17:23

Who would you want to take over though?
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Topic Originator: Fethiyespar  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 17:29

John Robertson must be considering his job with Caley Thistle, he would be the obvious choice to manage the Pars but don't know if we could afford him.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 17:34

Personally I think that John Robertson will stay with Thistle. He may even work for a very small salary hoping that things may be turned round.

matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: donj  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 17:42

How is it Alloa seem to pick up one manager after another who can get a team playing.Less money,part time players but better football.
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Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 18:16

Wouldn't be too quick to recommend wee Peter, as a manager, he flattered to deceive as a player. And John Robertson has hardly set the heather alight in Inverness
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Topic Originator: SAP PAR  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 18:17

“ How is it Alloa seem to pick up one manager after another who can get a team playing.Less money,part time players but better football.”

They advertise the vacancy and interview the best candidates plain and simple. Maybe something we should try.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 18:26

When was the last time we advertised for a new manager?

matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: RossDAFC  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 19:05

The results in isolation aren’t awful but it’s the performances and sometimes the way that we react to goals (at both ends) that is making people question the management team. He will get til Alloa on 28/12
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 20:24

Unbeaten in three games, a few seconds away from two wins in the last three, one draw being against Alloa who just beat Dundee Utd.

You can make statistics say what you want them to really but I think this will be how the board see it, team is starting to pick up points despite poor performances.

Does he need to go now for the greater good, probably, but he won’t be going anywhere.

I don’t blame Crawford entirely, the board gave him the job knowing his limited managerial experience and he’d have been a fool not to give it a shot.

Fans are turning on Crawford when all he’s done is try his best. The board decided to go down the youth route and thought appointing an inexperienced manager would be a good combination....

I think the blame should be more at the boards door than anywhere else, they are risking turning fans opinions of a person who as a player was a great servant and I think that would be a real shame.

Quite frankly, I wouldn’t trust the board to make the right decision next time round either at the moment.

I’ll back Crawford for a few more games, from losing four on the trot he has got us not losing in three.

With Ayr and Dundee Utd next I do fear for them though and hope he can prove a lot of us wrong.
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Topic Originator: Toumba Libre  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 21:15

I’m with the Craw and I’m fully behind him and this squad.
We all knew this was going to be a hard season with the cuts to the budget and the need to go for youth. We signed part time players, players from league one and two plus teenagers, it was never going to be a quick fix.
This young squad and coaching team needs our full support and backing.
Sadly I don’t think enough of our fans have the stomach for the fight or the patience.

Yet we have had fans over the last few seasons advocating managers like Jim Duffy, John Roberson (because apparently he’s honest and sounds good in post match interviews FFS) plus the no-mark that was at kelty hearts, tam court? Scary stuff.
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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 21:22

Cuts to the budget? Wtf are you talking about? We got a 6 figure sum for Longridge that went to Bradford.
It was a decision by the club and to bring in Jackie McNamara as an advisor to Craw. As said we have a decent squad but they deffo need an experienced manager/coach.
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Topic Originator: nightboat  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 21:23

The last three have been against the worst in the league. Open your eyes.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 21:34

Morton aren't the worst in the league if you're going by positions. Why do folk make stuff up just to make a point?
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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 21:37

Wee Eck honestly I admire you for sticking up for the team etc but we are going down the Falkirk route and relegation.
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Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 21:57

Topic Originator: eastendalloapar like | nolike Like: 1
Date: Sat 5 Oct 18:26

When was the last time we advertised for a new manager?

matt forsyth

We did when AJ was sacked and installed SC before they had even finished being delivered!

The worst decision this board has made to date!!!!!!!
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 21:58

I just prefer folk to get their facts right instead of making stuff up. It's not difficult.
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Topic Originator: summeragent  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 22:00

I agree with EEP.
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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 22:02

Go on then wee eck instead off making small posts tell us how you see this team/management are doing and how they can improve?
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 22:18

I don't see the point in constantly changing managers. I thought SC's appointment was a risk as was the change to an investment in youth but I don't think it's been the disaster some think it has. What would you have been posting tonight if we'd held on rather than lose a goal in overtime (we'd played the usual allotted time for subs by my watch and there were no injuries)?
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Topic Originator: summeragent  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 22:23

We have 1 win in 9 and really poor performances. Crowds are dwindling and this amazing club is in decline. We need a change and this time a proper Manager - not a Potter, AJ or SC. Someone with credibility. We have some decent players we can get the supporters back.
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Topic Originator: donj  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 22:30

I loved Crawford as a player and I do think he'd be good as an assistant to a real manager that gets the good players we have playing for us doing the job.

Managers can bring players on but sadly Stevie can't do it.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 22:30

AJ was a proper manager; he got us out of League 1 and into the play-offs. Football fans are fickle though. Just listen to any phone-in.
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 22:40

It’s a typical fan mentality that we have in spades. One bad season and the manager is classed as gash.

AJ had no credibility, biggest load of nonsense. Not a proper manager, coasted QOTS to promotion and was exactly the right man at the time.

Like I say though, one bad season and everything good that was done is forgotten about.
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Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Sat 5 Oct 22:51

Whispers tonight that the board are having a meeting on Monday. However due to certain board members not being available a full decision on discussions will not be concluded.
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Topic Originator: Dafc1996  
Date:   Sun 6 Oct 07:43

So why have a meeting if no decisions are to be made...waste of time... See you Saturday Mr Crawford... If no decisions are to be made why not wait to have the meeting when decisions can be made.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 6 Oct 07:49

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renegade master, Sat 5 Oct 22:51

Whispers tonight that the board are having a meeting on Monday. However due to certain board members not being available a full decision on discussions will not be concluded.


Whispers, rumours, gossiping auld fishwife! 😉



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Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Sun 6 Oct 08:57

Gosh.What happened to the weekly regular Stevie Crawford "I am disappointed" post match briefing?

It would have been enlightening after the directionless,tedious,dire,insipid 94 minutes we paid good money to watch.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sun 6 Oct 09:43

I have asked this before, "why have we such a large squad". We have been told that money is tight this year and that we would bring in young players and a few older experienced ones. I look at what we've got and see many players that will not get us much higher in the league all it needs is Thistle to win a game and we will be bottom. We are now going into the second week of October, the panic button will shortly have to be pressed. Hopefully we will pick up points against a team with no manager, if not, I who have always backed SC will be wanting to press it myself.

matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 6 Oct 10:53

If you're talking about the number of signed players it seems to be about 33 or 34 which seems a lot but about a third of those are youngsters who are permanently part of the reserves and have little chance of playing for the first team this season. The fact that two of them were on the bench yesterday just shows how far the first team squad was stretched by having a few injuries.
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Topic Originator: The Boss  
Date:   Sun 6 Oct 13:17

It’s getting harder and harder to watch at the moment and I’m getting to the point where I don’t care about the result anymore. It’s not enjoyable going to East End these days. The board left it horrendously late to get rid of AJ then gave the job to a rookie. That whole process was extremely underwhelming. I personally blame the board for what’s happened. The fans are starting to drift away and once they’re gone it’s very difficult to get them back. There is no grit,passion,entertainment,fight, the list could go on.

I’ll give it until the Ayr game. If there’s no improvement, I’ll give it a miss until things change. At least the club will still have my money as I’m a season ticket holder. I just can’t watch much more of it. It’s pretty appalling when you watch an Alloa team on Friday night who look streets ahead of us in terms of performance and organisation.

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Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Sun 6 Oct 21:50

GG Riva I have a lot of time for you and your valued views and valid assessments on almost everything.

Why not the same in return? I was told what I posted as the person believed it was right that the fans know that the board are not happy and the current situation and are having detailed discussions about it on Monday.

It was a sincere and genuine post and if some of the other posters who have been black carded or walked away were still here today they may well have posted the same. It was a genuine heads up to the fans that the board is watching and listening!

Also they do have a list of applicants from when the post was awarded to SC and it is of no coincidence that Jim McIntyre was at the game yesterday.
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sun 6 Oct 22:05

Seeing how the board picked SC, I can see why JM would appeal to them, an ex player for us, experience managing us to promotion from the Championship, has experience in the bigger league with us and Dundee (although granted not a success), pretty sure he did ok with Ross County for a spell?

Whilst it could be complete conjecture, what your saying renegade is far from not believable and may have some truth in it, let’s see what happens.

The cynic in me is wondering why there’s no post match comments yet on the website, but think i’m Just running ahead of myself on that one.
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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sun 6 Oct 22:49

Tbh I just don’t know why the board went down the route of 3 inexperienced people to take the Pars up a level.
I hate to say this but AJ and SK would have done a better job.
Crawford was sacked by East Fife, Dair as his assistant has done nothing... shields has a positive about him as he was decent in America with youth.
Big Ross needs to make a change!
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Topic Originator: CrossPar  
Date:   Sun 6 Oct 23:23

Can't believe some people on here lamenting that AJ and SC were doing a good job. Very short memories indeed. The football last season under AJ was worse than what we are experiencing this season. And the fact that most of his signings have been binned speaks volumes. Whether Crawford is capable of getting his young inexperienced team to do better is still in question but to hark back to AJ's tenure with any sort of regret is laughable.
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Topic Originator: dafcburty  
Date:   Sun 6 Oct 23:55

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Berry, Sun 6 Oct 22:05

The cynic in me is wondering why there’s no post match comments yet on the website, but think i’m Just running ahead of myself on that one.


Nothing more than the people who conduct post-match interviews etc for COWS were unavailable to attend Saturday's match.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 7 Oct 06:14

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renegade master, Sun 6 Oct 21:50

GG Riva I have a lot of time for you and your valued views and valid assessments on almost everything.

Why not the same in return? I was told what I posted as the person believed it was right that the fans know that the board are not happy and the current situation and are having detailed discussions about it on Monday.

It was a sincere and genuine post and if some of the other posters who have been black carded or walked away were still here today they may well have posted the same. It was a genuine heads up to the fans that the board is watching and listening!

Also they do have a list of applicants from when the post was awarded to SC and it is of no coincidence that Jim McIntyre was at the game yesterday.


Thank you for your kind words, Andy. Apologies for any hurt caused. My post wasn't meant to be take seriously. That's why I added the 😉

On a more general point, perhaps if you are told some confidential information you shouldn't post it on here. I don't doubt for a minute that the BoD are unhappy at the current state of affairs. Like us, they're all dyed in the wool Pars fans, but if they are thinking of replacing the manager then it's better that he finds out from the Chairman himself, rather than from someone who has read your posts, don't you think?

I understand that your motive for divulging this was sincere and genuine but next time your source may be reluctant to tell you anything. ☹ Anyway, what will be will be. If JM does come back to EEP as the next Pars manager, he will get my backing, but I'd be much happier if SC was able to render it unnecessary, by generating a real upturn in the Pars results and performances.



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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Mon 7 Oct 06:20

At the end of the first quarter,one year ago,AJ and Sandy had attained 11 points.

What we would give for that now.

We have not won at Home since 2nd March and our Support is haemorrhaging away.

"Act in haste,regret at leisure" was never more true.
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Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Mon 7 Oct 07:49

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Sliema Par, Mon 7 Oct 06:20

At the end of the first quarter,one year ago,AJ and Sandy had attained 11 points.

What we would give for that now.

We have not won at Home since 2nd March and our Support is haemorrhaging away.

"Act in haste,regret at leisure" was never more true.


AJ was rightly bulleted in the end, his use of subs or lack of use as well as continually persisting with players and formations that continually didn't work was his downfall, the Alloa game was an absolutely farce on how to manage a game of football.
His spell with us was largely decent but I don't think we need to be looking back and thinking it was all rosy because it most certainly wasn't.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Mon 7 Oct 08:07

Quote:

Frank Butchers LoveHandles, Mon 7 Oct 07:49

Quote:

Sliema Par, Mon 7 Oct 06:20

At the end of the first quarter,one year ago,AJ and Sandy had attained 11 points.

What we would give for that now.

We have not won at Home since 2nd March and our Support is haemorrhaging away.

"Act in haste,regret at leisure" was never more true.


AJ was rightly bulleted in the end, his use of subs or lack of use as well as continually persisting with players and formations that continually didn't work was his downfall, the Alloa game was an absolutely farce on how to manage a game of football.
His spell with us was largely decent but I don't think we need to be looking back and thinking it was all rosy because it most certainly wasn't.


Agree with this 100%.

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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Mon 7 Oct 09:21

Nothing is ever all rosy, you choose whether to reflect on the good memories he brought or the poor ones, seems more fans on here like to ridicule and focus on the negative part.

AJ for the majority had us playing some brilliant attacking football and got us promoted, I’ll remember that. He had a poor season for a number of reasons outlined above and rightly removed from post, but he gave it his all throughout.

Look at Poch, if he ends up going are fans gonna ridicule his tenure when he’s established themselves as a Champions League team and got them to a final...

You can be half full or half empty, it’s just much easier being the latter.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 7 Oct 10:02

Too true, Berry. You can see the same thing on the 'Jim McIntyre' thread where some fans remember his last season (when he was starved of funds) rather than his time building a squad to get us out of the Championship.

The other side of the coin is that managers of other clubs are judged by their good seasons rather than their unsuccessful ones. Guys like Ian McCall, Jim Duffy and Dick Campbell are often cited on here as being the sort of manager we should be looking for based on a bit of current success when, in truth, they have all had rather chequered careers as is normal for most football managers.
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Mon 7 Oct 10:14

There’s always a board meeting on a Monday....

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Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Mon 7 Oct 10:29

wee eck: I agree with you, as usual.

Managers we admire ie the ones you mention and adding Peter Houston have,indeed,had chequered careers.

I remember I used to criticise Jim McIntyre in my ignorance ,despite the brilliant season he'd led the Pars comfortably to the Championship Flag in 2011.Who could forget the sensational home win over Raith Rovers?

Then, one day on BBC "Sportsound" ,Chic Young told us how relatively small his player budget was.Since then he has had the League Cup success at Ross County.He ticks a lot of boxes.
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ  
Date:   Mon 7 Oct 13:44

We were fantastic to watch under McIntyre. Everyone knew their job and we played some excellent stuff. I'd much rather have him than Crawford, but I'd like to think there were better options out there. It's just a matter of time with Crawford IMO. He's a dead man walking. Two defeats against Ayr and Dundee United will seal his fate.

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Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Mon 7 Oct 13:45

I think the club probably gambled on promotion last season. It takes money to get promotion at the end of the day. When it didnt materialise I suspect we have had to cut or cloth. I dont think its going to make a great deal of difference who the manager is, we wont be in any position to push for promotion for 2 or 3 years from what I can see. That sadly is a fact of life. I believe in giving SC a chance now we have made a change. He of all people will be aware of how precarious football management is. Fortune favours the brave as far as I am concerned. He has nothing to lose so you may as well give it everything. He needs to come out of his shell a bit and try and inspire the players on to better things. Younger players particularly need that encouragement.
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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Mon 7 Oct 14:20

AJ is now in charge of the lowest scoring team in the entire country.He's managed to stop even Dobbie scoring.Whether appointing Crawford was right or wrong the decision to get rid of AJ was 100% correct.He did a good job finishing 19 points ahead of Ian McCall's Ayr to get us promoted but all too often was found wanting tactically in the division above and recruitment let him down.

Similarly to the current manager from the outside looking in he seems to lack motivational skills.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 7 Oct 15:46

I thought AJ's recruitment was generally good. He signed Clark, Morris, Aird and McManus. The problem was replacing them when clubs with bigger cheque books came calling.
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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Mon 7 Oct 15:56

Wouldn't disagree with those eck.It was as you said the 'replacements' that ultimately contributed to his downfall-I'm thinking Muirhead,Durnan,Connolly,Hippolyte and FEB. M'voto, Shiels and Splaine contributed little the season before that too.
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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Mon 7 Oct 15:58

Clark came because of his dad, Morris came due to his previous ties with the club.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 7 Oct 17:23

Well, these reasons were worthless when Dundee U and Ross Co stepped in. Clark had been successful under AJ at QOS so that must have helped.
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Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Mon 7 Oct 20:39

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da_no_1, Mon 7 Oct 08:07

Quote:

Frank Butchers LoveHandles, Mon 7 Oct 07:49

Quote:

Sliema Par, Mon 7 Oct 06:20

At the end of the first quarter,one year ago,AJ and Sandy had attained 11 points.

What we would give for that now.

We have not won at Home since 2nd March and our Support is haemorrhaging away.

"Act in haste,regret at leisure" was never more true.


AJ was rightly bulleted in the end, his use of subs or lack of use as well as continually persisting with players and formations that continually didn't work was his downfall, the Alloa game was an absolutely farce on how to manage a game of football.
His spell with us was largely decent but I don't think we need to be looking back and thinking it was all rosy because it most certainly wasn't.


Agree with this 100%.


Guid stuff - We pals again? 😁

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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Mr D.A  
Date:   Sat 2 Nov 22:31

Fickle much....
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Topic Originator: theweepar  
Date:   Mon 4 Nov 00:43

A lot of people (myself included) seemed to jump the gun a little bit here.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Mon 4 Nov 00:48

Imagine digging out a month old thread to point score...
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Mon 4 Nov 02:45

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Andrew283, Mon 4 Nov 00:48

Imagine digging out a month old thread to point score...


Not really. Fitba fans are fickle and after all the negativity on this thread it wouldn't be a bad idea to add a few positive comments while they are due.

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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Mon 4 Nov 08:18

I agree with Parrot. You won’t find a bigger Stevie Crawford fan than myself, let’s hope he continues to deliver.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 4 Nov 08:35

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Murchadh, Mon 4 Nov 08:18

I agree with Parrot. You won’t find a bigger Stevie Crawford fan than myself, let’s hope he continues to deliver.


Pleased to hear that Murchadh, but you won't be surprised to learn that I'd come to a very different conclusion, when you repeatedly bumped this thread up to the top of the board.

Can we be sure you won't do it again next time we lose a game to a team you think we should be beating?



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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Mon 4 Nov 09:28

I'm now full of renewed hope coupled with an abundance of positivity, football fans are a fickle bunch.
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Topic Originator: DrumRoad  
Date:   Mon 4 Nov 09:37

^^^^^^

Not only bumped it up this season every time we had a loss but also initiated the thread

“Crawford out” is hardly an OP title from someone who claims to be SC biggest fan
Might have had a wee bit more credibility if you had deleted your constant bemoaning of our manager on here before you uploaded your latest post
Alternatively, congratulations may be in order for the clever way you are managing to keep “YOUR OP” at the top of the page🎣 look at me 👀

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Topic Originator: EastEndBoy  
Date:   Mon 4 Nov 09:47

Any old nugget can chuck the toys out the Pram and stick the knife in when things aren't going well. Fickle doesn't cover it.

Thankfully, enough people managed to keep their heads and have seen us turn a corner.

Hey, it might not continue but we are looking handy at the moment. The proof is there to see.

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Topic Originator: Murchadh  
Date:   Mon 4 Nov 09:48

"Not only bumped it up this season every time we had a loss but also initiated the thread

“Crawford out” is hardly an OP title from someone who claims to be SC biggest fan
Might have had a wee bit more credibility if you had deleted your constant bemoaning of our manager on here before you uploaded your latest post
Alternatively, congratulations may be in order for the clever way you are managing to keep “YOUR OP” at the top of the page🎣 look at me 👀
"

Good to see you're taking it well. Crawford in!
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Topic Originator: theweepar  
Date:   Mon 4 Nov 18:42

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Andrew283, Mon 4 Nov 00:48

Imagine digging out a month old thread to point score...


I don't see any point scoring
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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Mon 4 Nov 20:18

I had a quick look at the league and it is interesting that only 2 clubs have been defeated less than 4 times and that is the 2 Dundee clubs. It just shows how tight this league actually is. That may be down to only one team with less than 4 defeats come Friday night.
United have drawn zero games this year. Go for broke attitude from them?
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Topic Originator: The Boss  
Date:   Sun 10 Nov 11:51

Bump

I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sun 10 Nov 11:52

YYYYYYAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNN!!!!!!

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Topic Originator: theweepar  
Date:   Sun 10 Nov 12:45

Only ever bring this thread back up when were bottom 3 please
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: Pars11  
Date:   Sun 10 Nov 17:25

Can this thread be archived. Now boring.

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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sun 10 Nov 18:05

Well if we get rid of it the folk who regularly bump it back up will say we're censoring the forum.
Therfore it's up to you...
Get rid... Or keep?
You decide



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Topic Originator: theweepar  
Date:   Sun 10 Nov 18:07

Quote:

widtink, Sun 10 Nov 18:05

Well if we get rid of it the folk who regularly bump it back up will say we're censoring the forum.
Therfore it's up to you...
Get rid... Or keep?
You decide


I would say keep but urge people not to post on it over one bad result and only bring it up when theirs a serious problem
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Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard  
Date:   Sun 10 Nov 18:18

Quote:

theweepar, Sun 10 Nov 18:07

Quote:

widtink, Sun 10 Nov 18:05

Well if we get rid of it the folk who regularly bump it back up will say we're censoring the forum.
Therfore it's up to you...
Get rid... Or keep?
You decide


I would say keep but urge people not to post on it over one bad result and only bring it up when theirs a serious problem


Have you ever tried not opening the thread up ?

You know the content, still click on it, then whinge about it FFS ?
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Topic Originator: theweepar  
Date:   Sun 10 Nov 22:29

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MikeyLeonard, Sun 10 Nov 18:18

Quote:

theweepar, Sun 10 Nov 18:07

Quote:

widtink, Sun 10 Nov 18:05

Well if we get rid of it the folk who regularly bump it back up will say we're censoring the forum.
Therfore it's up to you...
Get rid... Or keep?
You decide


I would say keep but urge people not to post on it over one bad result and only bring it up when theirs a serious problem


Have you ever tried not opening the thread up ?

You know the content, still click on it, then whinge about it FFS ?


Have you ever tried not being a reactionary t!t
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Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard  
Date:   Mon 11 Nov 00:38

Quote:

theweepar, Sun 10 Nov 22:29

Quote:

MikeyLeonard, Sun 10 Nov 18:18

Quote:

theweepar, Sun 10 Nov 18:07

Quote:

widtink, Sun 10 Nov 18:05

Well if we get rid of it the folk who regularly bump it back up will say we're censoring the forum.
Therfore it's up to you...
Get rid... Or keep?
You decide


I would say keep but urge people not to post on it over one bad result and only bring it up when theirs a serious problem


Have you ever tried not opening the thread up ?

You know the content, still click on it, then whinge about it FFS ?


Have you ever tried not being a reactionary t!t


Are you ok ? You seem a little upset ?
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Topic Originator: theweepar  
Date:   Mon 11 Nov 01:05

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MikeyLeonard, Mon 11 Nov 00:38

Quote:

theweepar, Sun 10 Nov 22:29

Quote:

MikeyLeonard, Sun 10 Nov 18:18

Quote:

theweepar, Sun 10 Nov 18:07

Quote:

widtink, Sun 10 Nov 18:05

Well if we get rid of it the folk who regularly bump it back up will say we're censoring the forum.
Therfore it's up to you...
Get rid... Or keep?
You decide


I would say keep but urge people not to post on it over one bad result and only bring it up when theirs a serious problem


Have you ever tried not opening the thread up ?

You know the content, still click on it, then whinge about it FFS ?


Have you ever tried not being a reactionary t!t


Are you ok ? You seem a little upset ?


Says the guy who can't handle a one goal loss away from home on a plastic pitch with a sh!tty ref
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Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard  
Date:   Mon 11 Nov 01:28

And still you open the thread and keep it going.

If you care to look back at every post on this thread, feel free to point out the one where I've commented on anything other than your stupidity.
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Topic Originator: theweepar  
Date:   Mon 11 Nov 09:11

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MikeyLeonard, Mon 11 Nov 01:28

And still you open the thread and keep it going.

If you care to look back at every post on this thread, feel free to point out the one where I've commented on anything other than your stupidity.


So you're saying only to go into a thread if you agree with the content. No debate aloud?
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 Re: Crawford Out
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Mon 11 Nov 09:43

Quote:

theweepar, Mon 11 Nov 09:11

Quote:

MikeyLeonard, Mon 11 Nov 01:28

And still you open the thread and keep it going.

If you care to look back at every post on this thread, feel free to point out the one where I've commented on anything other than your stupidity.


So you're saying only to go into a thread if you agree with the content. No debate aloud?


Debate is allowed but if you insist on doing it aloud please wait until I find my earmuffs.



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