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 Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: vasco  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 10:12

This just about feasible combination of results from the remaining matches would end up with the closest possible finish and Pars bottom of the league:


Morton 1-0 Inverness

Falkirk 1-0 Morton
Partick Thistle 1-0 Alloa
Queen of the South 1-0 Dunfermline

Ayr United 0-0 Partick Thistle

Ross County 0-1 Queen of the South
Alloa 1-0 Inverness
Dundee United 0-1 Falkirk
Dunfermline 0-1 Morton
Partick Thistle 1-0 Ayr United

Ayr United 1-0 Alloa
Falkirk 0-0 Ross County
Inverness 1-0 Dunfermline
Morton 0-1 Dundee United
Queen of the South 0-0 Partick Thistle


Bottom 6


Alloa Athletic 42
Morton 42
Queen of the South 42
Falkirk 42
Partick Thistle 42
Dunfermline At 41
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 10:21

Get yourself down to the bookies. A £100 roll up and you can fund the new players for next season :-)




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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 10:23

I can’t get a price on them all but the first 4 results there pays 33.5/1.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: king lad  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 10:27

If we lose to QotS and Morton we more than deserve to go down. At the end of the day the players should be playing their hearts out if they want new contracts or for some of them if they still want full time football. One more win secures our status whoever it's against. Let's get behind the boys for the last 3 games see out what has been a turbulent season and look forward to a fresh pre-season under new management
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 10:29

Sigh - I can actually see it happening now.

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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 10:48

If it happens then so be it. All I would say is go on Pie and Bovril and see what fans of the other teams think. Some already have Alloa safe. Queens are on a run of 1 win in 12 and have lost Dobbie and Morton have 1 win in 13.

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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: alwaysaPar  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 11:17

Alloa would only be on 41.....
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 11:27

One thing is for sure, the closer this comes to happening the worse our results will get.

No bottle in this team at the moment, definitely not too good to go down!

Just sitting here drenched in my own positivity! AJ is gone!
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 11:32

I'd rather be in our position than that of any of the 5 teams below us. It's some of the fans on here who lack 'bottle'.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 11:40

To be fair, I wouldnt be to bothered if we went down. Get rid of the dross we have and let Stevie Craw build his own team.

East End Park is a symbol of all that is DAFC.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 11:48

Going down would be a financial nightmare. Any squad reconstruction would be severely hampered by the drop in revenue. Fortunately the chances of us going down are pretty remote.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 11:55

Quote:

vasco, Mon 15 Apr 10:12

This just about feasible combination of results from the remaining matches would end up with the closest possible finish and Pars bottom of the league:


Morton 1-0 Inverness

Falkirk 1-0 Morton
Partick Thistle 1-0 Alloa
Queen of the South 1-0 Dunfermline

Ayr United 0-0 Partick Thistle

Ross County 0-1 Queen of the South
Alloa 1-0 Inverness
Dundee United 0-1 Falkirk
Dunfermline 0-1 Morton
Partick Thistle 1-0 Ayr United

Ayr United 1-0 Alloa
Falkirk 0-0 Ross County
Inverness 1-0 Dunfermline
Morton 0-1 Dundee United
Queen of the South 0-0 Partick Thistle


Bottom 6


Alloa Athletic 42
Morton 42
Queen of the South 42
Falkirk 42
Partick Thistle 42
Dunfermline At 41


I posted a similar scenario on another thread, with no drawn games, to stir up the ever fearful 1981par. I did reassure him that there's a far greater chance of him winning the 50/50 half-time draw or the Lottery.....😃



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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 12:07

Berkey wee question for you.....why do you bother?

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: 1981par  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 15:05

It’s not so much finishing bottom GG Riva. It’s second bottom as quite frankly I wouldn’t fancy our chances over 2 legs against Raith Rovers.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 15:44

Even finishing 2nd bottom is very unlikely.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 15:54

Quote:

1981par, Mon 15 Apr 15:05

It’s not so much finishing bottom GG Riva. It’s second bottom as quite frankly I wouldn’t fancy our chances over 2 legs against Raith Rovers.


I would. They are garbage

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: FRED1981  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 16:57

By the looks of the fixtures all the teams below us have hard games.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 17:50

The games in hand for Morton and Thistle are crucial.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 17:58

Quote:

renegade master, Mon 15 Apr 17:50

The games in hand for Morton and Thistle are crucial.


They have to win them. We have the points in the bag.



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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: SAP PAR  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 18:19

Here’s another scenario that is equally likely.

Morton 1 ICT 0

QOS 0 DAFC 1

ICT 0 DUFC 1

Alloa 1 ICT 0

DAFC 1 Morton 0

ICT 0 DAFC 1

Pars get 4th spot playoff.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 18:22

Alloa will beat Ayr. Alloa's manager is now getting touted by their chairman.

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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 20:58

Why?
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 21:13

He has lost managers in the past this time he probably want severence money! Plus Alloa should beat Ayr as several Ayr players suffered injuries against Dundee Utd.

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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 21:22

'' Alloa's manager is now getting touted by their chairman.''

What do you mean? Is he offering him to the highest bidder?



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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: 1981par  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 23:13

Da no 1. How are Raith garbage? They beat us 3-0
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Mon 15 Apr 23:24

Quote:

1981par, Mon 15 Apr 23:13

Da no 1. How are Raith garbage? They beat us 3-0


Yes you are correct they did but they are still garbage.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 08:04

That's the way I see it. In the Central and Tayside part of the BBC news APP, Mulraney the Alloa chairman say that Goodwin will go on to a bigger club. Mulraney is probably hoping to cash in for a settlement fee, or he does not want to hold Goodwin back.

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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 08:25

Quote:

da_no_1, Mon 15 Apr 23:24

Quote:

1981par, Mon 15 Apr 23:13

Da no 1. How are Raith garbage? They beat us 3-0


Yes you are correct they did but they are still garbage.


What does that make us then DA No.1 ?

DunfyDave
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 08:34

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DunfyDave, Tue 16 Apr 08:25

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da_no_1, Mon 15 Apr 23:24

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1981par, Mon 15 Apr 23:13

Da no 1. How are Raith garbage? They beat us 3-0


Yes you are correct they did but they are still garbage.


What does that make us then DA No.1 ?


It doesn't make us anything. We lost a game in 3 months ago.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: seagull1  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 09:41

We will not finish in the bottom two or even three. I’m confident we will stay in 5th place where we are now.

SC should already have a good idea of who he wants to keep or move on in the summer. Possible signings should have already been scouted as well so we can get ready for next season in the Championship
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: RossDAFC  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 10:43

5th I think is more a stature thing than anything else, the payouts from 2017/18 read as follows

Championship
1st - £533,000
2nd - £450,000
3rd - £379,000
4th - £308,000
5th - £237,000
6th - £213,000
7th - £201,000
8th - £190,000
9th - £178,000
10th - £166,000

So there is not much difference between 5th and below. We are down about 70k from last years finish which is a potential marquee player missed sadly. Unless we perform some miracles in the next few games
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 11:20

"We are down about 70k from last years finish which is a potential marquee player missed sadly."

For a club like DAFC that's a significant loss, and it's hard to see how next season's spending on players will even match this season's.

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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 11:26

It was important enough for RM to reference the prize money when announcing the change in manager so its definitely not good news.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: RossDAFC  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 11:39

Yes that was my thinking too, a big drop from top 4 money. 5th place might still be able to attract a certain level of player by showing the intent to finish high in the table but not having the extra funds that a top 4 finish gives us may hurt. Did we receive any extra money from the Dundee United play off games besides ticket revenue?
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: chewie  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 18:33

Well if we are earning less money, perhaps more care should be taken to spend it wisely. Clear to see that much of it was spunked on diddies this season.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 18:41

Quote:

chewie, Tue 16 Apr 18:33

Well if we are earning less money, perhaps more care should be taken to spend it wisely. Clear to see that much of it was spunked on diddies this season.


Exactly. Others manage it....

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 19:02

Quote:

da_no_1, Tue 16 Apr 18:41

Quote:

chewie, Tue 16 Apr 18:33

Well if we are earning less money, perhaps more care should be taken to spend it wisely. Clear to see that much of it was spunked on diddies this season.


Exactly. Others manage it....


I feel that, at our level, bringing in new players is a bit of a gamble. Sometimes they gel, sometimes they don't, no matter how much care is taken to try and bring in the right type of player at a price we can afford. I know that AJ would not sign a player on anyone else's recommendation, but had to watch him himself several times. That didn't work out too well this season, did it?

Maybe he wasn't a very good judge of players, or maybe he was just unlucky.



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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 20:30

Morton winning at the moment. Move within 2 points of us as it stands.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 21:35

So Morton only pick up a point.

Is there no longer a nightmare scenario where we can finish bottom?

Just sitting here drenched in my own positivity! AJ is gone!
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: pars_andy  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 21:37

Yeah...they just need to beat an uninterested Dundee Utd in the final game of the season. All other results remain the same.

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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 21:39

Well that’s that mammoth correct score accumulator burst




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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 21:56

Quote:

Raymie the Legend, Tue 16 Apr 21:39

Well that’s that mammoth correct score accumulator burst


Aye, fancy that.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 23:35

Don't see P thistle beating Alloa, Ayr or QoS. Think Alloa will at least draw at Firhill, Ayr should beat them and they might take a point from QoS. Thistle fans are very concerned. On the other hand it is hard to see where our next win is coming from.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 23:47

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Paralex, Tue 16 Apr 23:35

Don't see P thistle beating Alloa, Ayr or QoS. Think Alloa will at least draw at Firhill, Ayr should beat them and they might take a point from QoS. Thistle fans are very concerned. On the other hand it is hard to see where our next win is coming from.


Not sure I quite see it like that. Thistle by all accounts dominated County at the weekend and came back strongly against us. I think they will get out of it. Hard to call the struggle at the bottom but I would go with QOTS bottom and Morton in the Play Offs.

I will probably change my mind after the weekend though.

Awight Pat!

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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: theparsman1885  
Date:   Wed 17 Apr 00:44

Topic Originator: GG Riva like | nolike
Date: Tue 16 Apr 19:02

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da_no_1, Tue 16 Apr 18:41

Quote:

chewie, Tue 16 Apr 18:33

Well if we are earning less money, perhaps more care should be taken to spend it wisely. Clear to see that much of it was spunked on diddies this season.


Exactly. Others manage it....


I feel that, at our level, bringing in new players is a bit of a gamble. Sometimes they gel, sometimes they don't, no matter how much care is taken to try and bring in the right type of player at a price we can afford. I know that AJ would not sign a player on anyone else's recommendation, but had to watch him himself several times. That didn't work out too well this season, did it?

Maybe he wasn't a very good judge of players, or maybe he was just unlucky.


Again we’ve just been done up like a kipper on recruitment this season.

Danny Devine came to us with horrendous reviews from his last 2 clubs (both relegated) yet we give out a 2 year deal?

Mark Durnan another one who arrives with a circus theme tune playing in the background, we sign him up.

Hippolyte who in the last couple of seasons has struggled at Them and St Mirren, questionable attitude in the past when at livingston - we give him a three year deal?! (Edit - 2 year deal. Not quite as bad but still bloody awful!!!)

Andy Ryan, Aiden Connolly, Louis Longridge (thank god it was the brother we signed for two seasons!!!), not resigning Joe Cardle. Not only has AJ got a lot to answer for, so has our board who not only backed AJ with that ridiculous 2 year deal (don’t even try and defend that one, plenty on here me included made concerns clear at the time) but also the board has sanctioned all these signings too.

There is a culture of accepting underperformance at the club in recent seasons and it needs to change.

As for the nightmare scenario of this season, it’s not going to happen despite how much some of our clubs employees incompetence shine through on the pitch next three weeks.



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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 17 Apr 09:31

Hindsight's a wonderful thing. It was always going to be difficult, if not impossible, to replace players like Morris, Clark, McManus and Aird with players of a similar calibre on our budget. The loss of Willo Flood due to circumstances outwith our control was another major blow. His leadership qualities would have been a great asset this season.

Some fans go all misty-eyed about Joe, forgetting his virtual anonymity in the second half of last season and the fact that he hasn't exactly flourished since he left us. I doubt if the board 'sanctions' signings other than making it clear to the manager how much his budget is.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: theparsman1885  
Date:   Wed 17 Apr 09:49

But that’s my point wee eck, hindsight wasn’t required and isn’t required to realise the dreadful errors of the pre season recruitment. All those were rip roaringly obvious.

I accept to an extent about Cardle, but my point there is he still would have done more than our wingers this season, and there is a distinct bitter taste left with the way it was handled, similar to Josh and Geggan in the past. AJ mainly to blame but the board still in my opinion have influence over how these are executed and are not immune from criticism.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Wed 17 Apr 10:23

Wee eck your right that cardle went off the boil but to me an off the boil cardle is a better option than higgy, l longright, connolly and hippo have been.

Okay the last 3 were unknown but he still let cardle go to keep higgy who has been nothing short of murder in his time here with the exception of like 5 games. Hate to be proved right but surely we all knew higgy just wasn’t capable of playing to the level required and would continue to give the ball away 9 out of 10 times.

In the same way good players don’t suddenly become poor, poor players don’t suddenly become good.

Anyway, AJ has already reaped the benefit of putting his faith in these guys.

Just sitting here drenched in my own positivity! AJ is gone!
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 17 Apr 10:24

My recollection is that the general consensus at the start of the season was that the recruitment had been good. You always get a few dissenting voices about particular players. I think the problem is most of them haven't delivered what was expected of them.

I have no idea what the circumstances surrounding the departures of Cardle, Geggan and Falkingham were so can't comment on them.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 17 Apr 10:30

I think AJ wanted to play 3 5 2 and as much as I'm a Cardle fan boy I dont think he'd be well suited to a wing back role.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: Lambo1885  
Date:   Wed 17 Apr 10:33

"Danny Devine came to us with horrendous reviews from his last 2 clubs (both relegated) yet we give out a 2 year deal?"

I don't think you can seriously take what is posted on an internet form into account when signing players. I've got a couple of wee team supporting mates who absolutely rave about how good Connolly is and that he'd be our key man this season, They also felt that Craigan was average at best. Also, nobody would've wanted to sign Nicky Clark going by some of the nonsense spouted on here about him last season.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 17 Apr 10:36

I can't imagine any manager, with a minimum of self respect, allowing the Board to dictate which player he could/couldn' sign. As wee eck, suggests, the Chairman gives him a budget and the manager decides how best to spend it.

In AJ's first season, it was suggested to him that he might want to run with a nucleus of full time players and some part time players to give him a larger squad. AJ made the decision to go with a smaller, completely full time squad, which was vindicated by the romp to the League 1 title.



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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 17 Apr 11:02

You've never made a bad signing have you, Berkey? After ripping into Nat all last season you now criticise the lack of physicality in the team or the inability to make a pass, both things Nat provided.

I doubt if AJ saw things as a straight choice between Higgy and Cardle as they'd both been in his squad for the last two seasons.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: RossDAFC  
Date:   Wed 17 Apr 13:07

I wonder what AJ was thinking after having somewhat success with the Williamson/Higgy right hand side and Joe chiming in on the left to just change to a 3-5-2. Seen a lot of people saying our effort has been great...
Just taking Higgy as an example, he had 10 goals last season (all in the league) with 13 assists (7 in the league). 17 goal contributions in the league in total.
This season he has 0 goals and 2 assists. He started last season on fire, lost his way with what was said to be personal issues and then finished strong knowing that a few good performances would secure him another year here. This season he has been brutal - starting and off the bench. Lack of effort meeting a deficiency in sheer quality this season would suggest we are very lucky to be in 5th.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 17 Apr 13:24

I assumed the decision to play with three centre backs was an attempt to compensate for the loss of Morris's pace.

Higgy started the League season suspended then he seemed to pick up an injury which was finally sorted by surgery. He didn't come back until the start of November and almost immediately got sent off at Dingwall. He has only started 14 League games and come on as a sub 5 times. He certainly hasn't been the same player he was last season, whatever the reason.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: Bigfoot  
Date:   Wed 17 Apr 13:38

Reckon we will finish 5th or 6th. There are to many variables required for us to end up in the play-off (both ends of the league).

As others have said, and as pretty much agreed by all the players were seen as decent replacements and/or additions.

Had we been able to retain some of the player let go, we might have been able to recruit a better squad - but that is all if's but's and maybe's.

We will, in all likelihood, be on a reduced budget next season and perhaps this forces us to a bit of a crossroads.

Do we continue to buy in hired hands on a season long contract - or do we seriously look at developing our youth.

The likes of Hamilton and Falkirk have both shown it can be done.

Jesus saves, but Kirk nets rebound
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: 1981par  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 15:55

Looking like we will need to win last game to stay up or avoid play offs.
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 16:15

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1981par, Sat 20 Apr 15:55

Looking like we will need to win last game to stay up or avoid play offs.


Possibly. Maybe we'll win next week and you'll not need to worry any more

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Nightmare scenario
Topic Originator: 1981par  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 16:17

Hopefully da no1
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