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 AJ
Topic Originator: parsloyal98  
Date:   Sun 5 May 23:28

Appointed as manager of Queen of the South. Sandy Clark to assist him

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Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Sun 5 May 23:38

Was he paid a lump sum to walk away from us or were we still paying his wages?
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Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Sun 5 May 23:41

Hope he takes a few of his signings with him /

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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Sun 5 May 23:51

Good luck to him.

Awight Pat!
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Mon 6 May 01:03

Here’s hoping he ‘raids’ his old club!

Just sitting here drenched in my own negativity!
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: steaua  
Date:   Mon 6 May 03:07

All the best AJ hope it works out ok for you.
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Mon 6 May 06:13

I hope he and Sandy get the appreciation they deserve.

Good luck to both!

They were doing far more for our club behind the scenes than many fans were aware.
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: Craigston_Par  
Date:   Mon 6 May 06:55

To be honest, I’m not really that surprised! I had a slight feeling he might go to Morton instead though.
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 6 May 06:57

I wondered where and when he'd reappear in football management. No surprise that QOS have hired him again. He did very well for them in his previous spell there. If QOS go down, he'll bring them straight back up again - bad news for Falkirk and the Rovers if they're still in League 1.

It didn't end happily for him here, but overall he left us a whole league higher than when he arrived and I wish him well - except when QOS play the Pars, of course.



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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: FRED1981  
Date:   Mon 6 May 08:08

No worse that what we have at present.
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: evo!  
Date:   Mon 6 May 08:32

His record v part time sides is good, not to mention in league one. Still a gamble though to change managers so suddenly before huge games.

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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Mon 6 May 08:51

Best of luck AJ.

East End Park is a symbol of all that is DAFC.
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: pars_andy  
Date:   Mon 6 May 10:06

“Topic Originator: Jeffery like | nolike
Date: Sun 5 May 23:38

Was he paid a lump sum to walk away from us or were we still paying his wages?”

What difference does that make? We’re most likely still due him the money even if we are effectively ‘paying it up’

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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Mon 6 May 10:16

Quote:

pars_andy, Mon 6 May 10:06

“Topic Originator: Jeffery like | nolike
Date: Sun 5 May 23:38

Was he paid a lump sum to walk away from us or were we still paying his wages?”

What difference does that make? We’re most likely still due him the money even if we are effectively ‘paying it up’


If we have been continuing to 'pay up his wage' you would think we'd stop given he's got another job now. Pretty standard terms of any such deal I'd have said.
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 6 May 10:21

Let's hope he manages to keep QOS up and we can look forward to at least four tactical battles between him and SC next season!
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Mon 6 May 10:30

Quote:

Jeffery, Mon 06 May 10:16

Quote:

pars_andy, Mon 6 May 10:06

“Topic Originator: Jeffery like | nolike
Date: Sun 5 May 23:38

Was he paid a lump sum to walk away from us or were we still paying his wages?”

What difference does that make? We’re most likely still due him the money even if we are effectively ‘paying it up’


If we have been continuing to 'pay up his wage' you would think we'd stop given he's got another job now. Pretty standard terms of any such deal I'd have said.


If he was on gardening leave we’d stop paying him when he got a new job but he wasn’t. There would have been an agreed sum and that would have to be paid regardless of when he was employed again.
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: Angus_W  
Date:   Mon 6 May 10:36

Fais to QotS?

🔩 ya 🚀
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Mon 6 May 10:43

Can go wherever he wants... He's a free agent now I believe.



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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: CrossPar  
Date:   Mon 6 May 10:43

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wee eck, Mon 6 May 10:21

Let's hope he manages to keep QOS up and we can look forward to at least four tactical battles between him and SC next season!


Four nil nil draws probably!
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: hudza  
Date:   Mon 6 May 10:53

AJ actually did a decent job for us, until this season.
His recruitment in the summer was awful which ultimately let to his dismissal.
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 6 May 11:06

Re-united with Fraser Aird - at least for the play-offs!
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Topic Originator: dover par  
Date:   Mon 6 May 11:07

Oh Look! ....the AJ fan club are all happy now.

"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing."
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 6 May 11:15

''Topic Originator: dover par like | nolike
Date: Mon 6 May 11:07

Oh Look! ....the AJ fan club are all happy now.''


Would you prefer if he never found another job in football?
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Mon 6 May 11:22

He did well for the club and deserves credit for that. I wish him well at QOS.
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: Summerston Par  
Date:   Mon 6 May 12:08

Looking at how the season played out After he was sacked, I don’t think we’d have better or any worse with AJ in charge.
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 6 May 12:27

''If he was on gardening leave we’d stop paying him when he got a new job but he wasn’t. There would have been an agreed sum and that would have to be paid regardless of when he was employed again.''

That's how I see it, too - and Sandy Clark, of course. Both will be entitled to have their contract honoured in full, unless there was a clause stating that any monies due would be null and void if they found new employment.

Of course, they could always tell the Pars they don't want it anymore, now they're working again - out of the goodness of their hearts...............



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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Mon 6 May 12:34

Quote:

GG Riva, Mon 06 May 12:27

''If he was on gardening leave we’d stop paying him when he got a new job but he wasn’t. There would have been an agreed sum and that would have to be paid regardless of when he was employed again.''

That's how I see it, too - and Sandy Clark, of course. Both will be entitled to have their contract honoured in full, unless there was a clause stating that any monies due would be null and void if they found new employment.

Of course, they could always tell the Pars they don't want it anymore, now they're working again - out of the goodness of their hearts...............


Ha, I certainly wouldn’t and there’d be very few people who would.

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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 6 May 12:51

I thought the usual arrangement was for the club to pay up the remaining part of the contract (usually monthly to help cash flow) but this would be offset by earnings from any new employment until the contract expired so the sacked employee was no worse off than if he'd seen out his contract.
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: cjp1981  
Date:   Mon 6 May 13:15

Aird won't be happy with that, he hated Johnston! LOL

Ach fair does to AJ, I wish him no ill will, 80% of his time here did a good job, he'll get a warm welcome from me if/when he return to East End park.
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: pars_andy  
Date:   Mon 6 May 13:19

“Topic Originator: wee eck like | nolike
Date: Mon 6 May 12:51

I thought the usual arrangement was for the club to pay up the remaining part of the contract (usually monthly to help cash flow) but this would be offset by earnings from any new employment until the contract expired so the sacked employee was no worse off than if he'd seen out his contract.“

I wouldn’t have thought that would be the case. More likely we’re due him a cash amount based on what was left on his contract when we sacked him.

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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 6 May 13:34

That's what I'm saying but the cash amount would be reduced by any earnings he has from a new job up until the date the contract expires. That's what happened when I was made redundant.
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Mon 6 May 13:37

In sure AJ would be much happier cleaning the club out before he takes a job.
I would have imagined he and sandy git a wad on departure.
Costing the club around 120k
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Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Mon 6 May 13:39

Quote:

wee eck, Mon 06 May 11:15

''Topic Originator: dover par like | nolike
Date: Mon 6 May 11:07

Oh Look! ....the AJ fan club are all happy now.''


Would you prefer if he never found another job in football?


Yes yes I would

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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 6 May 14:32

How sad.
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Mon 6 May 15:02

That comment is completely uncalled for.

I agree with wee eck.
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Mon 6 May 15:07

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wee eck, Mon 6 May 13:34

That's what I'm saying but the cash amount would be reduced by any earnings he has from a new job up until the date the contract expires. That's what happened when I was made redundant.


I agree.

Otherwise a manager could sign a new deal, be sacked, immediately find another job and collect two wages at the same time.
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Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Mon 6 May 15:15

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Jeffery, Mon 06 May 15:07

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wee eck, Mon 6 May 13:34

That's what I'm saying but the cash amount would be reduced by any earnings he has from a new job up until the date the contract expires. That's what happened when I was made redundant.


I agree.

Otherwise a manager could sign a new deal, be sacked, immediately find another job and collect two wages at the same time.


That’s how it works though. Plenty managers in the past have been sacked, paid up in full and been back in work within weeks. The club that sacked them aren’t entitled to anything.
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Mon 6 May 15:27

Its down to having foresight at the outset. In football there is a higher than normal risk of premature departures so managers have the security of knowing they wull be paid if things go wrong.
The purpose of the payoff is to provide security. Surely in the current financial circumstances clubs also have a right to limit losses and therefore the right to add a clause which voids a Loss of earnings penalty if earnings are not being lost.

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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 6 May 15:42

Quote:

DAFC_90, Mon 6 May 13:37

In sure AJ would be much happier cleaning the club out before he takes a job.
I would have imagined he and sandy git a wad on departure.
Costing the club around 120k


120k! Based on what?
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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Mon 6 May 16:19

Topic Originator: londonparsfan like | nolike
Date: Mon 6 May 15:42

Quote:

DAFC_90, Mon 6 May 13:37

In sure AJ would be much happier cleaning the club out before he takes a job.
I would have imagined he and sandy git a wad on departure.
Costing the club around 120k






120k! Based on what?


1k a week for AJ £700 a week for Sandy Clark X 17 month ok say 116k
On top of that £500 circa for Robinson for 5 months .
Then there's the addition of Calum Davison
Good job the supporters cough up that money each month or we'd be skint
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 6 May 16:32

It depends on the termination clause in the contract, the contract doesn't always have to be paid in full. Falkirk spent £60k getting rid of the Hartley management team and I think they had nearly 2 years apiece left to run.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 6 May 17:10

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DAFC_90, Mon 6 May 16:19

Topic Originator: londonparsfan like | nolike
Date: Mon 6 May 15:42
Quote:

DAFC_90, Mon 6 May 13:37

In sure AJ would be much happier cleaning the club out before he takes a job.
I would have imagined he and sandy git a wad on departure.
Costing the club around 120k

120k! Based on what?


1k a week for AJ £700 a week for Sandy Clark X 17 month ok say 116k
On top of that £500 circa for Robinson for 5 months .
Then there's the addition of Calum Davison
Good job the supporters cough up that money each month or we'd be skint


Ah, you must be David McMorrine, DAFC 90. How very naughty of you to reveal personal information about the earnings of our club's ex employees.



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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Mon 6 May 17:22

As some have said, good luck to AJ at QOS.
He's had more highs than lows with us and fans should perhaps recognise that and wish him all the best.
No manager can predict how a team will blend before a ball is kicked and remember we lost many key players last year through no fault of AJ.
Replacing them is a lottery with our financial restrictions.

If you only turn up to moan then do it elsewhere
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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Mon 6 May 17:30

Topic Originator: GG Riva like | nolike Like: 1
Date: Mon 6 May 17:10


You're just too smart for your own good.

Just a guess based on expected earnings .
Would you like to have a stab at it and correct me accordingly
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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Mon 6 May 17:34

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Angus_W, Mon 6 May 10:36

Fais to QotS?


I for one would be more than happy if Fais stayed at EEP Angus

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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Mon 6 May 17:36

Topic Originator: londonparsfan like | nolike
Date: Mon 6 May 16:32

It depends on the termination clause in the contract, the contract doesn't always have to be paid in full. Falkirk spent £60k getting rid of the Hartley management team and I think they had nearly 2 years apiece left to run.

Very true but it still would be a substantial amount to terminate a 2 year contract after 7 months
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 6 May 17:39

No doubt its money that could be better spent but I'd hazard a guess it would be closer to the Falkirk figure.
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Mon 6 May 17:41

Could have been 3 or 4 players in ,i would magine
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Mon 6 May 17:43

"It depends on the termination clause in the contract, ....."

Absolutely. It doesn't matter what a contract is called, what the "usual arrangements" are, or what might have been in any previous contract signed by either the club or the manager with someone else.

All that matters are the words in the personal contracts that were agreed, presumably after negotiations and perhaps compromises on one or both sides, between DAFC Ltd and Allan Johnston and Sandy Clark.

It's always possible that one or other party may forgo the right to enforce a particular term in a contract, but that shouldn't be relied on - it's vital to get the contract right in the first place, which is why both clubs and players should engage professional HR or contract negotiators to look after their interests.



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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 6 May 17:53

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DAFC_90, Mon 6 May 17:30

Topic Originator: GG Riva like | nolike Like: 1
Date: Mon 6 May 17:10


You're just too smart for your own good.

Just a guess based on expected earnings .
Would you like to have a stab at it and correct me accordingly


Ah, so you're an impostor, using guessology to work out what DAFC employees might be earning, so you could be right on the err... money, or you might even be well off the mark.

And you want me to join in your wee guessing game? Thanks but no thanks.



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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Mon 6 May 17:57

Topic Originator: GG Riva like | nolike
Date: Mon 6 May 17:53


Come on don't be a fuddy duddy , join in the game.

On a serious note i don't think I'll be far off the mark maybe 20%
If that
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Mon 6 May 21:37

I can pretty much guarantee that you'll be miles off. Managers that get paid off don't usually just get the contract paid off in full. Also doubt the management team were on £1700 a week between them.

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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Mon 6 May 22:05

Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis like | nolike
Date: Mon 6 May 21:37

I can pretty much guarantee that you'll be miles off. Managers that get paid off don't usually just get the contract paid off in full. Also doubt the management team were on £1700 a week between them.

Could be but I doubt it ,players will be on circa £750 to £1000 can't see why the manager and sidekick being far away from that .
Then again it's only a best guess .also I can't see them walking way for a pittance , you certainly wouldn't
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Mon 6 May 22:24

The players aren't on that.

Also, when a manager gets sacked, they don't get the whole contract paid up. If they insisted upon that, the club could pay them up each month and insist they didn't take a job until it was done. No manager is going to want that as it's very difficult to get back on the merry-go-round if you've been off it for too long.

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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: theparsman1885  
Date:   Mon 6 May 23:19


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DAFC_90, Mon 6 May 17:30

Topic Originator: GG Riva like | nolike Like: 1
Date: Mon 6 May 17:10


You're just too smart for your own good.

Just a guess based on expected earnings .
Would you like to have a stab at it and correct me accordingly


Ah, so you're an impostor, using guessology to work out what DAFC employees might be earning, so you could be right on the err... money, or you might even be well off the mark.

And you want me to join in your wee guessing game? Thanks but no thanks.


The wee attention seeker may well know for sure the wages of one player....
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Mon 6 May 23:20

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DA-go Par Adonis, Mon 6 May 22:24

The players aren't on that.

Also, when a manager gets sacked, they don't get the whole contract paid up. If they insisted upon that, the club could pay them up each month and insist they didn't take a job until it was done. No manager is going to want that as it's very difficult to get back on the merry-go-round if you've been off it for too long.


Wouldn't it be highly illegal to have a clause that prevents the person finding employment within football again till his old contract runs out after being punted?

Worst case, we're paying the pair of them X% of their wages due till next Summer, best case, we had a clause to only pay them their wages till they find another club
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Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Tue 7 May 00:27

"Wouldn't it be highly illegal to have a clause that prevents the person finding employment within football again till his old contract runs out after being punted?"

I think you're referring to a restrictive covenant.

A restrictive covenant might be a clause in a contract which seeks to restrict an employee's right to take employment elsewhere in the same industry. It would probably be deemed unenforceable by a court as it would be viewed as unlawful restraint of trade - although some restrictive covenants are legal if they are designed to reasonably protect the former employer's business interests and are limited in time (eg confidentiality, non-poaching, non-solicitation of clients etc.)

Clearly there was no such restrictive covenant in the DAFC contracts with AJ and SC, as they are now QoS employees.

As I posted earlier, what was in AJ's or SC's personal contracts is not in the public domain, and nor should it be. So the details of what they were entitled to upon contract termination will only be known to a few people (and I am certainly not one of them!)

Personally I think it very unlikely they received a lump sum payment, because I doubt if DAFC Ltd has (or had) that much spare cash-in-hand! It's far more likely that they have been receiving money in instalments, and whether those payments (or an element of them) continue after they find new employment will come down to what was in their personal contracts and any subsequent negotiations. Bear in mind that the new employer (in this case QoS) is unlikely to be paying exactly the same salaries as DAFC.

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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Tue 7 May 08:13

The bottom line s that their departure early into their contract is costing us, which along with the new management team and the Robinson fiasco adds up to a fair amount of money.
So far, no improvement has been apparent, so whoever is in charge next season, a lot will be expected of them.

It certainly looks like Crawford will remain and a large player clear out is underway.
Let's hope the replacements and the leadership will be an improvement on this horrible season.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Tue 7 May 13:12

I would hope that some of the homework has already been done on who the management want to bring in. A large scale departure of players could leave us a little exposed at the start if the season.
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Topic Originator: StuPar82  
Date:   Tue 7 May 13:51

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Andrew283, Mon 06 May 23:20

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DA-go Par Adonis, Mon 6 May 22:24

The players aren't on that.

Also, when a manager gets sacked, they don't get the whole contract paid up. If they insisted upon that, the club could pay them up each month and insist they didn't take a job until it was done. No manager is going to want that as it's very difficult to get back on the merry-go-round if you've been off it for too long.


Wouldn't it be highly illegal to have a clause that prevents the person finding employment within football again till his old contract runs out after being punted?

Worst case, we're paying the pair of them X% of their wages due till next Summer, best case, we had a clause to only pay them their wages till they find another club


Not my area of expertise, but is it not as simple as when the board decided to change things, they would have negotiated with AJ/SC to effectively buy them out of their contracts. This agreement may have taken the form of a lump sum amount, or paid in instalments or maintaining their current pay for a set period of time. It wouldn’t be for the full contract term amount, but whatever both parties could agree as a reasonable compensation. As a result, this would have allowed AJ/SC to immediately seek employment elsewhere and should they have found this quickly enough, they would benefit by retaining their ‘package’ from DAFC as well as their new salary. However, if AJ/SC decided they wanted to let their existing contracts out, then they would effectively be put on ‘gardening leave’ whereby they are still entitled to their contracted earnings, but could not seek employment elsewhere as they are effectively still under contract.

I am only basing this on assumption, but I would expect AJ/SC would have agreed a deal to tear up their contract, which is the approach most would take I would suspect. The only manager I can think of who opted for gardening leave was McCoist, where I suspect he knew he would struggle to find a new employer to match his salary.
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 7 May 14:38

That's what I was driving at. There's generally an agreement that means the club pay less than the remaining liability on the contract - in exchange for the manager being free to find work elsewhere.

There's not a chance that the 16-17 months of AJ and SC's salary was multiplied into a lump sum and paid in full. There's also no chance that it's being paid off monthly, in its entirety, whilst leaving them free and able to work and earn at QoS.

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Topic Originator: Hummingbird Harry  
Date:   Tue 7 May 14:51

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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Tue 7 May 14:53

Re: AJ
Posted from the Android app Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis like | nolike
Date: Tue 7 May 14:38

That's what I was driving at. There's generally an agreement that means the club pay less than the remaining liability on the contract - in exchange for the manager being free to find work elsewhere.

There's not a chance that the 16-17 months of AJ and SC's salary was multiplied into a lump sum and paid in full. There's also no chance that it's being paid off monthly, in its entirety, whilst leaving them free and able to work and earn at Qos.

I would imagine the contract they have with DAFC will be more lucrative than the one they have at Queens,which would hardly be an incentive to accept a deal unless they've received substantial part of there lost earnings from DAFC
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Topic Originator: StuPar82  
Date:   Tue 7 May 14:56

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DA-go Par Adonis, Tue 07 May 14:38

That's what I was driving at. There's generally an agreement that means the club pay less than the remaining liability on the contract - in exchange for the manager being free to find work elsewhere.

There's not a chance that the 16-17 months of AJ and SC's salary was multiplied into a lump sum and paid in full. There's also no chance that it's being paid off monthly, in its entirety, whilst leaving them free and able to work and earn at QoS.


Agreed DA-Go, I was responding more to Andrew re: whether it would be legal to restrict an ex-manager from securing another job.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 7 May 14:57

"I would imagine"

So you don't actually have any real idea then?

They've obviously received some money from DAFC. They've obviously not received the whole contract's worth. The incentive to take the QoS job - even if it is on less money - is to keep working as a full time football manager.

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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Tue 7 May 15:36

Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis like | nolike
Date: Tue 7 May 14:57

"I would imagine"

So you don't actually have any real idea then?

They've obviously received some money from DAFC. They've obviously not received the whole contract's worth. The incentive to take the QoS job - even if it is on less money - is to keep working as a full time football manager.

Where are you from planet obnoxious ,of course I don't know for sure there pay off details and OBVIOUSLY , you don't either, what I don't do us take people for mugs and I certainly don't think AJ and Sandy are/were.
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Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Tue 7 May 15:44

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wee eck, Mon 06 May 14:32

How sad.


Don’t worry about it I’m not

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Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Tue 7 May 15:49

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Sliema Par, Mon 06 May 15:02

That comment is completely uncalled for.

I agree with wee eck.


See my reply to the angry wee man

After the mess that clown has left the club in I could care less if we found another job and if it was up to me (which it isn’t before some smart @rse points it out) he would get nada from us as a pay off

Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 7 May 15:59

Who's angry?
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 7 May 16:22

"what I don't do us take people for mugs and I certainly don't think AJ and Sandy are/were"

Yes, but neither is Ross McArthur - or the rest of the board at DAFC. That's the point.

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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Tue 7 May 17:58

Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis like | nolike
Date: Tue 7 May 16:22

"what I don't do us take people for mugs and I certainly don't think AJ and Sandy are/were"

Yes, but neither is Ross McArthur - or the rest of the board at DAFC. That's the point.

Interesting about Ross ,I don't think he is either but it was (,as many have mentioned ) strange to give AJ. A 2 year deal so maybe he is.
By the same token I think it's also not to give him the chance of spending the equivalent funds of his and Sandy's settlement fees to strengthen the squad
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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Tue 7 May 18:04

If anyone is made redundant they get severance pay and are free to look for employment once their contract is terminated.

Given he's essentially a contractor, ie he had been brought in for a fixed duration as opposed to a permanent member of staff, I'm sure the contract will have had a severance clause stipulating how much will be paid, different amounts for different conditions, eg length of term left, maybe even league position, etc.
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Tue 7 May 18:07

AJ met the expectations preseason of getting into the playoffs, it was tight and left it to the wire but we got there.

In the playoffs we battered United at Tannadice, still haunts me how we didn't win that game.

So the Board thinking we ended on a high, wanting stability which the club craved, offering AJ a 2 year deal in my view wasn't a terrible decision at the time, there were reservations from fans, but I could see the reasoning.

It just didn't work out, wouldnt put that to the Board being mugs, that's just a typical overreaction and benefit of hindsight.
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Topic Originator: StuPar82  
Date:   Tue 7 May 22:01

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Berry, Tue 07 May 18:07

AJ met the expectations preseason of getting into the playoffs, it was tight and left it to the wire but we got there.

In the playoffs we battered United at Tannadice, still haunts me how we didn't win that game.

So the Board thinking we ended on a high, wanting stability which the club craved, offering AJ a 2 year deal in my view wasn't a terrible decision at the time, there were reservations from fans, but I could see the reasoning.

It just didn't work out, wouldnt put that to the Board being mugs, that's just a typical overreaction and benefit of hindsight.


What is conveniently overlooked when people criticise the board for giving AJ a two year deal is that we were the in form team at the end of the 2017/2018 season, unbeaten in 10 and winning 7 of these. I firmly believe that had we started the season with the squad which then finished then we would have mounted a serious challenge for the league title. Why we didn’t start the campaign with a strong enough squad is anyone’s guess. AJ was absolutely accountable for the transfer dealings, although whether we hadn’t identified suitable targets, had deals fall through last minute or were simply ‘outgunned’ for players of the necessary calibre is unclear. Personally, I can’t believe AJ started the season satisfied with the squad, but he’s hardly going to come out and openly admit that. Certainly, he was on the money with where we needed strengthened and the players he brought in when the January window opened.

A two year deal always has an element of risk attached to it, but so does a one year deal, just in different ways. What no one knows either is whether Johnston had other offers which may have influenced the board’s offer.

All considered, it certainly didn’t seem unreasonable at the time, to me anyway.
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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Tue 7 May 22:07

So what is there to gain from giving a 2 year deal if he does badly he has another year or gets the bullet (which he did) if he gets promotion he would want to stay and if not there's no problem in getting a new manager



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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Tue 7 May 22:18

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DAFC_90, Tue 7 May 22:07

So what is there to gain from giving a 2 year deal if he does badly he has another year or gets the bullet (which he did) if he gets promotion he would want to stay and if not there's no problem in getting a new manager


If he does well and we have him only on a 1yr deal then we would've run the risk of losing him to another club. Much like why we signed players like Jackson for two years.

No guarantee he'd stay if we were promoted if on a one year deal. Jackson left Livvy when promoted as player, Hopkin another recent example of a manager leaving when promoted. If you've got a manager who got you promoted and was successful it's not so easy getting a replacement that's able to maintain the continuity.

There's always risk with longer term contracts, 2 years at the time considering the late run of form we were in wasn't too bad a shout, its only because it went sour this season that everyones started blaming the board.

It was proved to be the incorrect decision, but at the time when it was offered I wasn't totally against it.

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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Tue 7 May 22:38

Lets not kid ourselves on. If a player or manager comes to the club on a 1 year deal, does fantastically well then walks away 12 months later, the board would get slaughtered on here.
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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Tue 7 May 22:45

If he does fantastically well and gets you promoted and choses to leave you'd be inundated with applicants if you're in the SPFL
Continuity wouldnt happen as the squad would be drastically improved to take on the new challenge.
You can't win really but more often than not it won't work out either way
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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Tue 7 May 22:57

Yep. And the next season could be a shambles and the board would get slaughtered for their lack of foresight and poor recruitment.
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 8 May 06:16

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JTH123, Tue 7 May 22:57

Yep. And the next season could be a shambles and the board would get slaughtered for their lack of foresight and poor recruitment.


Between us we've just outlined why the Board have a difficult almost canny win job.
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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Wed 8 May 07:06

Topic Originator: JTH123 like | nolike
Date: Tue 7 May 22:38

Lets not kid ourselves on. If a player or manager comes to the club on a 1 year deal, does fantastically well then walks away 12 months later, the board would get slaughtered on here.


I think the moral of the story is to think long and hard when selecting new personnel, it boils down to judgement.
It's a lot easier to extend a contract mid season than to leave it until the last month of one
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Topic Originator: the saline hill puma  
Date:   Wed 8 May 13:30

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DAFC_90, Tue 7 May 22:45

If he does fantastically well and gets you promoted and choses to leave you'd be inundated with applicants if you're in the SPFL


You do realise we are already in the SPFL along with 42 other clubs
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Topic Originator: par-91  
Date:   Wed 8 May 14:06

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the saline hill puma, Wed 08 May 13:30

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DAFC_90, Tue 7 May 22:45

If he does fantastically well and gets you promoted and choses to leave you'd be inundated with applicants if you're in the SPFL


You do realise we are already in the SPFL along with 42 other clubs


41 other clubs... if you’re going to be pedantic, at least get it right!
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Topic Originator: the saline hill puma  
Date:   Wed 8 May 14:20

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par-91, Wed 8 May 14:06

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the saline hill puma, Wed 08 May 13:30

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DAFC_90, Tue 7 May 22:45

If he does fantastically well and gets you promoted and choses to leave you'd be inundated with applicants if you're in the SPFL


You do realise we are already in the SPFL along with 42 other clubs


41 other clubs... if you’re going to be pedantic, at least get it right!


Well done you passed the test....
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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Wed 8 May 14:29

Four years ago today, on 8 May 2015, Allan Johnston was appointed manager of DAFC.

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 Re: AJ
Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Wed 8 May 19:52

I heard AJ on West Sound radio today talking about the game coming up with Montrose.
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