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 End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Connor560  
Date:   Wed 8 May 12:13

Summary

We are at the end of what has proved to be an extremely difficult, disappointing and frustrating football season for everyone connected with Dunfermline Athletic. From the Board’s perspective, it has undoubtedly been the most challenging season since coming out of administration, ultimately developing into a “perfect storm”.

However, the Board, and I as Chairman, take full responsibility for the turn of events which have often not been to our liking or, indeed, the liking of anyone who loves Dunfermline Athletic and wants to see us move our club further forward.

As ever, I want to be as honest and transparent as I can, to outline to our loyal supporters where we are, and where we are going, in advance of season tickets going on sale later this week.

The key issues at this time are:

Season 2018/19
1. Financial Outcome: a substantial trading loss incurred after three years of modest profits.
2. Football Outcome: we have significantly underperformed on the park, leading to a change in football management and revamp of playing squad.

Season 2019/20
1. Strategy of building a young, hungry team of players seeking to reach their full potential, being guided by enthusiastic and diligent coaches.
2. Restructuring to reduce costs significantly and find ways of increasing our income.

Notwithstanding all of this, sincere thanks are due to supporters, staff and volunteers for a lot of hard work.

Financial outcome
The Club will make a substantial loss in 2018/19, after three years of modest profits. The Board’s budgetary assumptions were broadly the same as in previous years but matters frequently went significantly against us this year whereas in the past they did not do so. We also suffered a number of exceptional and unforeseen one-off costs. It is further evidence to prove that running a full time football club in the Scottish Championship, with the underlying cost structure and infrastructure required, is proving to be extremely challenging. Most clubs in the Championship will, sadly, report losses this year - and some significantly greater than us, but that is little comfort.
The view from the Boardroom

Season 2018/19:
At the beginning of the season, we backed our Manager who had achieved promotion and then helped the team improve within the Championship over the following two years. Our aim was to be challenging at the top end of the Championship. That did not happen, and we have massively underachieved on the park, considering the significant investment made in attempting to strengthen our playing pool.

Not only did we change our Manager and Assistant Manager in January, but we also had three other unplanned changes within our backroom staff this season, which is a quite exceptional situation. All of this gave rise to unbudgeted costs.

We have also met the unprecedented and expensive costs of 13 operations (plus associated expenses) on our playing staff. In the previous four seasons we had no more than three in any one season. Not only that, but we had a significant number of players unavailable at various stages of the season due to injury and this has impacted performances. I am sad to report that Joe Thomson’s knee injury will result in him missing a good part of next season. We will of course support our Player of the Year, Joe in his recovery, which we hope will soon see him back.

We also had four home games displaced from a Saturday, and these were against some of the better supported teams in the league (Partick Thistle twice, Dundee United and Ayr United). This directly resulted in reduced gate receipts from all of these matches.

We recognise that the standard and style of football on offer was an issue across all teams in our Division and our own home results this season were very poor. In fact, extremely worryingly, our total “walk-up” gate receipts were a six-figure sum down from last season, and were even marginally less than in League One, four seasons ago, when we did not have the same cost infrastructure. Our participation in the Irn Bru Challenge Cup actually cost us money, whilst losing at Raith Rovers put us out of the William Hill Scottish Cup at a disappointingly early stage. Our early season form in the Betfred League Cup was better news, however.

Influenced by a number of factors, but significantly by the poor on-field performances, neither the club shop nor catering met budgeted income totals.


The coming season: 2019/20
Budgeting for season 2019/20 has long been underway. We need to adopt a very clear and decisive approach. On the income side, given the considerable uncertainties, this is far from easy. It is clear, however, that we need to reduce our costs significantly.

The Centenary Club Lifeline is of huge importance to the Club as it is one of the few areas of budgeted income which is both predictable and provides a regular monthly cash flow for the Club. Since the crisis of 2013, numbers have been on a slow decline and that is of great concern. We really need your continued support by maintaining your Lifeline memberships or by joining, if you are not already a member. We do not take this for granted and are very clear about the debt of gratitude that is due to all those supporters who contribute. It is vital to the future of Dunfermline Athletic. We are a broadly-owned, community-based club, and can only prosper if the community continues to back us. It is important for supporters to understand that no Director takes any salary or even expenses. We too are supporters and contribute to the Lifeline Fund ourselves. We pay for our own season tickets and have contributed significant funding for the Club in terms of working capital. We need people of goodwill to be understanding of the ups and downs and unpredictability of a football season and stand together, as ultimately the functioning and goodwill of the Board relies upon this. We do not have the luxury of parachute payments or UEFA solidarity payments from the Premiership, nor do we have significant cash reserves following the 2013 administration.

We want to get DAFC back into the Premiership, but not by risking the existence of the Club. So, the expectations of our supporters need to be realistic. Our ownership model means that we cannot look to a wealthy owner ploughing seven-figure sums into the Club as has happened elsewhere, but we can have a competitive advantage in the SPFL Championship if the community backs the Club, albeit that this means a little more coming from all of us.

As custodians of Dunfermline Athletic, the Board is taking a number of decisive steps to ensure a positive future for the Club.

The playing budget, our most significant cost, will need to be reduced significantly. Our focus will be on investing in young, hungry players who are on an upward trajectory in their career, looking to develop those players as future assets which we can then realise to mutual advantage. We want to recruit young, talented and ambitious players who want to see their careers progress at East End Park, with all that we can offer them in terms of coaching and support, by working hard and taking instruction. Those players will need your whole-hearted support and encouragement if they are to flourish at East End Park.

That young team will be reinforced by a couple of positive-minded, experienced players who can provide leadership and mentoring. We have invested in a young and ambitious management and coaching team who we believe are best placed to get the most out of such players, even if it takes a bit of time. Recruitment is the hardest part to get right in any business, but probably more so at a football club, however that process is now more robust.

On the income side, we will reluctantly have to bring our prices into line with most other Championship clubs by increasing all of our admission prices by £2. We understand doing so, particularly after a disappointing season, is far from ideal, but we simply don’t have an option. It is important for supporters to understand the context of this increase. The average revenue we currently receive is only £9 per game from ground season ticket holders (excluding U12’s) after VAT. For walk-up tickets, the figure is £11.42 per game after VAT. Match day costs such as stewards, safety, first aid, police and match day paid staff cost a further £2 per supporter, per game. We have considered changing the charges for older supporters in line with other clubs and also the changing working environment so that the only discounted threshold would be at 65. However, we have decided not to do that for season tickets, but only for match day tickets.

It is therefore extremely disappointing to note the continued abuse of our concessionary tickets in some cases, and this will be addressed next season. In the case of the under-12 concessionary tickets, these will now require proof of ID and age, as well as a nominal one-off fee of £18.


Some important thanks
Despite the disappointing outcomes of this season, a great many people have worked long and hard to support Dunfermline Athletic. First, the Board would like to record their warm appreciation for the supporters in following our team home and away and giving great encouragement. Second, supporters raise funds for the Club not only by buying tickets and contributing to the Centenary Club Lifeline, but by organising, and attending, vital fund-raising events, buying merchandise, hiring our function suites, and freely giving of their time, skills and knowledge on many occasions. We are extremely grateful and appreciative to everyone for this.

Stevie Crawford’s preparation, enthusiasm and professionalism do him great credit. He took on the role of Head Coach at a very difficult time, as taking on such a role in mid-season is notoriously difficult. Stevie has sadly had to deal with a range of challenging issues, but has done so with calm authority, and has not shrunk from making some difficult decisions. He has been well supported by Greg Shields initially, and then a month later by Callum Davidson, who have helped to create a fresh, positive and invigorated working environment at East End Park. All of the backroom staff have worked immensely hard but, to single out one example, our physiotherapist, John Porteous, has been outstanding. Twice he has effectively gone full-time to help us out at short notice, and we are pleased to announce the imminent arrival of an outstanding young physiotherapist which will allow John to resume his preferred part-time role. Working quietly in the background and providing perceptive advice on football matters, Jackie McNamara has already begun to help both the Board and our management.

The Board would like to thank our loyal, non-football staff who have all worked so hard this year along with the very many volunteers who regularly help the Club in terms of laundry, kit, cleaning, safety, security, stewarding, turnstiles, catering, programme copy and sales, 50-50 tickets, ball boys and girls, mascots, media (website, social streams and Pars TV), photography, the Club and the DASC shops, the hospitality areas, our community and schools engagement programmes and the stadium maintenance team. Dunfermline Athletic Football Club is buttressed and supported by the Centenary Club Lifeline, the 1885 Business Club, the Pars Supporters’ Trust, the Young Pars, the Dunfermline Athletic Heritage Trust, the Formers Players, the Dunfermline Athletic Disabled Supporters ‘Club and all of the Supporters’ Clubs, each of which has contributed to the cause. Equally we are grateful to, and appreciative of, our many sponsors and advertisers.

Your support is not only hugely valuable but very much appreciated.

Your Board and management team are well aware of the challenges ahead but, with your support, we can, and will, develop an exciting future for Dunfermline Athletic.

C'mon Ye Pars!
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: parsloyal98  
Date:   Wed 8 May 12:18

Some very worrying reading in there - particularly the fact playing budget is to be significantly reduced

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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Scrimmers249  
Date:   Wed 8 May 12:31

this is grim reading. i suspect another grim season next year and a battle with relegation unless SC pulls a few rabbits out the hat with his signings
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Wed 8 May 12:32

"The Centenary Club Lifeline is of huge importance to the Club as it is one of the few areas of budgeted income "

worrying just now much the club does rely on this income stream.

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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Wed 8 May 12:32

Looks like staying in the league next year and building long term is the intention ,all thus could be scuppered if we are anywhere near bottom at Christmas
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Wed 8 May 12:38

and does REALLY reiterate position we are in.

looking to sign younger players with sell on potentials etc. Catch 22 you need to offer 2-3 year deals to heighten the "sell on" value or they walk away/step up un 12 months for nothing at end of deal. However offer 2-3 years and they fail to live up to promise and they are dead weight chewing into the budget and not giving the club anything in return.

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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Wed 8 May 12:39

My biggest worry is relying on young, hungry players. Hopefully we have 3 or 4 experienced pros, if things go wrong these lads have to be mentored and praised during a game. The budget seems to be dropping again, possibly by having a smaller squad the incentive of coming to play for Dunfermline will not die.

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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: dpard  
Date:   Wed 8 May 12:40

As has been said already, some worrying reading in there.
In terms of the walk up receipts being down below league one, what are the cost infrastructures that are different now from then? ( If someone knows)
Sound like we could be in for a rough few seasons playing wise.
I hope the decision to put prices up doesn't end up as a negative. It may only be £2 but that could be the decision that turns people away from attending both through cost and principle. Not everyone wants to pay that price for Scottish Championship football.
Tough times ahead for all.

The flame still burns
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Wed 8 May 12:43

Young players to sell for profit is not going to happen. That's a very dangerous position to take.


Tough times ahead but wasting a lot of money on the likes of Muirhead was a disastrous decision.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Wed 8 May 12:46

Quote:

Scrimmers249, Wed 8 May 12:31

this is grim reading. i suspect another grim season next year and a battle with relegation unless SC pulls a few rabbits out the hat with his signings


Looks likely that SC will be working with Jackie McNamara and only signing from his pool.of youth

Price increase does not concern me. It's a drop in the ocean.

DunfyDave

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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: the saline hill puma  
Date:   Wed 8 May 12:53

Quote:

DunfyDave, Wed 8 May 12:46

Quote:

Scrimmers249, Wed 8 May 12:31

this is grim reading. i suspect another grim season next year and a battle with relegation unless SC pulls a few rabbits out the hat with his signings


Looks likely that SC will be working with Jackie McNamara and only signing from his pool.of youth

Price increase does not concern me. It's a drop in the ocean.


Maybe a drop in the ocean to some but to others it will be the deciding factor of whether to go or not.
£20 is a total rip off for this level of football
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Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Wed 8 May 12:54

"Looks likely that SC will be working with Jackie McNamara and only signing from his pool.of youth"

no it doesn't imo.

statement is grim reading but the surprise is perhaps the scale of it, not the actual losses etc.
we wont be alone in terms of cutbacks, lesser playing budget.

another new physio? so presumably Phin has gone too for whatever reason?



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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey  
Date:   Wed 8 May 13:00

One can only assume Ross has never looked up the meaning of the words " fresh, positive and invigorated".

Precious little evidence of that in the past few months.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 8 May 13:01

Price increases all over the country just now. It was only a matter of time before it hit the fitba sadly.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Scrimmers249  
Date:   Wed 8 May 13:02

Quote:

Scrimmers249, Wed 8 May 12:31

this is grim reading. i suspect another grim season next year and a battle with relegation unless SC pulls a few rabbits out the hat with his signings


Looks likely that SC will be working with Jackie McNamara and only signing from his pool.of youth

Price increase does not concern me. It's a drop in the ocean.

DunfyDave

Post Edited (Wed 08 May 12:47)

whilst £2 maybe a drop in the ocean for some for others it will be the proverbial straw that breaks the camels back. I think walk up prices are over the top, certainly does not represent value for money. Scottish Championship prices should not be more than £15 for what is a mediocre product at best.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par  
Date:   Wed 8 May 13:03

Very honest assessment from Ross. Not surprised costs are being reduced significantly. Going to be a tough fight to stay in the league with a team full of young inexperienced players. We won't be challenging for promotion any time soon. Fans expectations must change to at best mid table mediocrity.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Wed 8 May 13:06

I expect the board have looked at the financial implications of going part time?
It is financially grim reading and a reality check for our aspirations of taking on the top 4.
If it is bad for us then I expect the likes of Morton and some other teams to be dire.
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Topic Originator: Blackandwhiteblood  
Date:   Wed 8 May 13:06

An energetic young team will provide a lot more excitement tan we have had.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: StevenPar77  
Date:   Wed 8 May 13:15

Seems to me that we 'went for it' this season in terms of promotion and will have to pay the price next season.

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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie  
Date:   Wed 8 May 13:20

Grim reading.

This potential league restructure with no relegation next year might not be a bad thing.

Can imagine the BOD will be saying their collective prayers for a favourable run of results in the playoffs.

On top of already losing Falkirk's away supports we could really do with Dundee United and Raith being in the league but it could easily be a Hamilton and Montrose instead :-(

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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: truesupporter  
Date:   Wed 8 May 13:23

I have to admit I cancelled my CC Lifeline after the last home game of the season because I was so disillusioned with the whole thing. However that was a knee jerk reaction and I decided to reinstate this shortly afterwards as I did not want the Club to disappear as it means too much to me and my family.
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Topic Originator: FRED1981  
Date:   Wed 8 May 13:25

So the substantial loss not helped signing duds and getting rid of personnel ,who is to blame for this I wonder.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Gaz3822  
Date:   Wed 8 May 13:26

We all know that if these ' young, hungry, enthusiastic ' boys go through a tough time there will be no new walk up fans ready to hand over another 2 quid. Its not much to me but I'd probably pick and choose games more. I'd be spewing having to pay £20 having to watch rubbish every 2nd week.
I just wonder if part time would be a better avenue to go down. Hasn't bothered Alloa and Ayr much.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: 68guns  
Date:   Wed 8 May 13:34

The problem in that thinking is that I cannot remember the last time we had a young player who reached his full potential.
I trust the board to guide us in the right direction but fear we are going to need a big sponsorship deal to capture anything like the standard of player we need.
Walk up fans are guided by reports of how the team are doing and how they are playing, unfortunately even during the run of 5 wins the fare on offer was poor and no increase in support was visible.
I'm afraid that despite the situation we are in it will take a signing or two that catch the imagination to get swaying fans back on side.
I live in hope though.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Wed 8 May 13:34

Playing youth might be exciting but also inconsistent.

I am happy to pay an additional £2 although I do agree with most negative comments on here that it is a heavy price to pay to watch terrible football.

I am happy to make.my choice and pay to support the youth coming through however inconsistent.

Good luck to them and us.

DunfyDave
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Wed 8 May 13:36

To be honest - I find that statement quite encouraging. The board have acknowledged that things haven't gone to plan, with some mistakes being of their own doing and have clearly articulated a revised strategy for next season. I, for one, welcome that level of transparency and openness.

The 'young players' strategy is pretty much our only option - I suspect we'll see of number of 'unknowns' coming in from the lower leagues down south (really really really lower leagues!) - similar to a few seasons ago when we had to rebuild from scratch - signings like Whittle, Morris, D'Angelo, El-Bakhtaoui (although I get he didn't come from down south). Of that bunch, some will be hits and some will be misses, as is the way with things with youngsters.

Again, being honest I find the idea of trying to unearth a gem far more exciting than signing scottish football journeymen, as 'proven' as they may.

Onwards and Upwards.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Wed 8 May 13:38

Ref: truesupporter
Date: Wed 8 May 13:23

<<< I have to admit I cancelled my CC Lifeline after the last home game of the season because I was so disillusioned with the whole thing. However that was a knee jerk reaction and I decided to reinstate this shortly afterwards >>>


Well done True - got to pick oorsel's up and keep at it.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Tribbiani  
Date:   Wed 8 May 13:42

Quote:

Gaz3822, Wed 08 May 13:26

We all know that if these ' young, hungry, enthusiastic ' boys go through a tough time there will be no new walk up fans ready to hand over another 2 quid. Its not much to me but I'd probably pick and choose games more. I'd be spewing having to pay £20 having to watch rubbish every 2nd week.
I just wonder if part time would be a better avenue to go down. Hasn't bothered Alloa and Ayr much.


Ayr are full time. Last time they were in the Championship they were part time but ended up getting relegated.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Gaz3822  
Date:   Wed 8 May 13:56

Yes so they are, my apologies.
Well its now up to our coaches to bring the right boys in.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: FRED1981  
Date:   Wed 8 May 14:01

The board seem to have confidence in the present management team ,I hope it doesn’t end up costing us half way through the season and even more cut backs again .I don’t understand McNamaras role is ,is this money we could save.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Parsbilly  
Date:   Wed 8 May 14:04

he has the right pals so won't be going anywhere
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 8 May 14:10

No problem with the statement at all.
Just hope that confidence in the management is genuine and not enforced....and not misplaced.

I Hope You're Ok Today....
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: chewie  
Date:   Wed 8 May 14:13

Very glad to read such an open and honest statement. No major surprises, apart from the 13 operations bits. It has been clear to anyone at the games that the crowds are tiny compared to recent seasons. This business of adding thousands to the attendance gives a nice rosy picture and allows folk to keep their head in the sand. Both managers need to accept some responsibility for this.

Playing budget being reduced - well so much was wasted last year, this should not be a problem if the money is used correctly. I like the policy of signing youngsters , but picking the right ones is hard. I would like to know if we offered anything to the young boys who have just left or were they deemed not good enough?

Frustrating to read about shop and catering. Part of this down to smaller crowds, but there is a management issue there as well. They ran out of food in kiosks more than once and many sizes are unavailable of club merchandise. You cant sell what you don't have. If we are running with less stock, then sales targets need to be modified accordingly.

Hope this gets the message across. Those last few defeats really stung, so i look forward to the recruitment starting.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Wed 8 May 14:16

"I don’t understand McNamaras role"

Supporters' Council meeting next Thursday - if the Chairman doesn't make that clear in his talk, then ask him.

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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Wed 8 May 14:16

That's a fairly grim statement and to me is suggesting that we are looking to consolidate after going for it last season.
The cut in playing budget is a no brainer and I'm hoping we can unearth a few diamonds from the lower leagues like Geggan, Falkingham and going back further Cardle and Bell. Certainly we are paying the price for the horrendous recruitment of players last summer of which you could argue only Jackson Longridge and Thomson were any good.
The drop in walk up fans is a worry but understandable due to the standard of football being delivered. Hard thing to rectify too with the prices going up but again this is understandable as we are generally one of the cheapest walk up prices in The League.
Sounds like we are in for a hard slog, all about the recruitment in the summer. We need to identify the right players that can improve us but on a tighter budget. Not easy but Livvy, ICT and Ayr have managed it in recent years so not Impossible.

Awight Pat!

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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: KilsythPar  
Date:   Wed 8 May 14:19

The bottom line is that most people will accept higher admission prices if the product is attractive. That means getting a winning team on the pitch playing attractive, entertaining football. Crowds will improve if they see improvement and success.
Sad to hear that so called supporters have been exploiting the club's season ticket scheme, especially after the hard times we have endured financially. That is nothing other than fraud and I applaud the fact that the club are taking action to rectify this. Those involved should hang their heads in shame.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Wed 8 May 14:24

just to add the "moan" about Dundee united game being moved from a Saturday was the clubs own doing. Highlighted at the time i was in the club shop at 10:30 getting a ticket and told "no issues" with the pitch, phone ringingn off the hook with similar quesries. A wander round you could see a lot of surface snow etc.

Had i walked in an been told that extra help is needed for pitch/walkway clearing to amke sure game is on then id dig the shovels and brush out the car and dig in and help. Was just a very blase attitude to things on that and the knock on is something the club need to accept.

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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 8 May 14:40

I've never understood how a few fans seemed under the illusion that the club's finances were anything but fragile in recent seasons - this statement confirms that situation.

I may be wrong, but I suspect raising the walk up price to £20 for next season will have a negative impact on attendances overall.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: parsj  
Date:   Wed 8 May 14:51

This season was the first time in a while I felt no real connection to the majority of players in the team. If the new recruitment plan means signing younger players on longer contracts then I'm all for it. I welcome the chance to get to know players I've never heard of before and see their progression over a number of seasons instead of just signing players in the revolving door of 1 year contracts at Championship clubs. It will also be good to see some of the younger boys getting regular games. Guys like Morrison, Todd and Mcann could all play their part and although they may not be able to do it week in week out, it will be great for their development.

This is just my opinion but the 13/14 season with Falkingham, Whittle, Geggan etc was one of my favourite seasons supporting the club. That group really felt like a team whereas the squad this year kind of just felt like a random group of players.
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Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Wed 8 May 14:55

Is there a link available online for joining the Lifeline? I donated a few years ago but due to personal circumstances had to stop monthly payments.

Cheers

Awight Pat!
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Wed 8 May 15:09

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Topic Originator: Perkins  
Date:   Wed 8 May 15:10

Not holding out much hope for developing young players. Struggling to think of any that have made any progress for years.
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Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Wed 8 May 15:11

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Playup_Pompey, Wed 8 May 15:09

https://dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Centenary_Club_Lif%C2%A3line&ID=8648


Nice one PUP. Done now.

Awight Pat!

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Topic Originator: Ianoappar  
Date:   Wed 8 May 15:14

Interesting reading looks like AJ was given a decent budget, and it has backfired big time.
Regarding the operations required for players can't understand why club didn't have insurance policies in place? When I played I was offered an insurance policy to cover loss of wages etc and I was not a professional player.Regarding having a young team I for one look forward to seeing this,as all for giving youth a chance.Next season will bring a different perspective to my expectations but hope to see entertaining football.
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1  
Date:   Wed 8 May 15:20

I like how it was the operations that put a big dent in our budget, not giving the management team a two year deal and allowing them to give duds like Hippolyte and Devine two year deals as well.
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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Wed 8 May 15:21

Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles like | nolike
Date: Wed 8 May 14:55

Is there a link available online for joining the Lifeline? I donated a few years ago but due to personal circumstances had to stop monthly payments.

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Topic Originator: The Lawyer  
Date:   Wed 8 May 15:26

The Chairman mentions the 13 operations which the Club paid for last season. That seems to be more then the previous 3 seasons combined. That, not only seems to have cost a great deal of money, but meant that the squad was often severely depleted.

The appointment of a new physio, and the use of younger players, will hopefully give us a a fitter, leaner squad.

I, for one, was concerned that last season, on occasions, we seemed less fit than even our part time opponents. I am glad to see that this is being addressed.

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Topic Originator: Blackandwhiteblood  
Date:   Wed 8 May 15:27

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Ianoappar, Wed 8 May 15:14

Interesting reading looks like AJ was given a decent budget, and it has backfired big time.
Regarding the operations required for players can't understand why club didn't have insurance policies in place? When I played I was offered an insurance policy to cover loss of wages etc and I was not a professional player.Regarding having a young team I for one look forward to seeing this,as all for giving youth a chance.Next season will bring a different perspective to my expectations but hope to see entertaining football.


The reason re the insurance will be the same as the no credit facilities. Probably defaulted during administration.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Wed 8 May 15:32

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parsj, Wed 8 May 14:51

This season was the first time in a while I felt no real connection to the majority of players in the team. If the new recruitment plan means signing younger players on longer contracts then I'm all for it. I welcome the chance to get to know players I've never heard of before and see their progression over a number of seasons instead of just signing players in the revolving door of 1 year contracts at Championship clubs. It will also be good to see some of the younger boys getting regular games. Guys like Morrison, Todd and Mcann could all play their part and although they may not be able to do it week in week out, it will be great for their development.

This is just my opinion but the 13/14 season with Falkingham, Whittle, Geggan etc was one of my favourite seasons supporting the club. That group really felt like a team whereas the squad this year kind of just felt like a random group of players.


This is a good post. Been saying this for a while now that AJ's recruitment and squad turnover seemed to diminish the heart of the team throughout his tenure.

Good Pars (and no doubt any other team) squads have always had a connection with the fans and a bit of spine and fight about them.

Granted, that's no substitution for quality but the two need to work in tandem for a club of our stature.
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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Wed 8 May 15:41

Are the 13 operations linked to training methods/venues or is it just a coincidence? How many of the injuries were picked up in matches?

With the Joe Thomson injury he should have been taken off earlier IMO. It was clear a few minutes before he went down for a second time that the injury was a knee injury picked up without any contact which, unfortunately, inevitably spells trouble.Credit to the player for trying to run it off but plenty folk on the match thread called the injury.I don't know if this will have impacted the severity of the damage but it certainly won't have done it any good.

I also thought at times last season it looked like we lacked fitness but then again in some cases it was maybe more about desire than the actual ability to run.



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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 8 May 16:11

Does anyone know what happened to the physio who joined us from the Rovers - Stuart Phin? It seems he didn't stay long.
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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Wed 8 May 16:15

Be interesting to see if anyone broaches the question "how much did paying off AJ ,sandy and the physio cost "
Could be suffering the consequences of that to accommodate the gruesome foursome ,all built on a dream



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Topic Originator: Malcolm Canmore  
Date:   Wed 8 May 16:46

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Gaz3822, Wed 08 May 13:26

We all know that if these ' young, hungry, enthusiastic ' boys go through a tough time there will be no new walk up fans ready to hand over another 2 quid. Its not much to me but I'd probably pick and choose games more. I'd be spewing having to pay £20 having to watch rubbish every 2nd week.
I just wonder if part time would be a better avenue to go down. Hasn't bothered Alloa and Ayr much.


Ayr are full time.

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Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Wed 8 May 16:49

That is not pleasant reading at all :( Seems a lot of risks were taken last year which didn't pay off.
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Topic Originator: Malcolm Canmore  
Date:   Wed 8 May 16:52

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chewie, Wed 08 May 14:13

Very glad to read such an open and honest statement. No major surprises, apart from the 13 operations bits. It has been clear to anyone at the games that the crowds are tiny compared to recent seasons. This business of adding thousands to the attendance gives a nice rosy picture and allows folk to keep their head in the sand. Both managers need to accept some responsibility for this.

Playing budget being reduced - well so much was wasted last year, this should not be a problem if the money is used correctly. I like the policy of signing youngsters , but picking the right ones is hard. I would like to know if we offered anything to the young boys who have just left or were they deemed not good enough?

Frustrating to read about shop and catering. Part of this down to smaller crowds, but there is a management issue there as well. They ran out of food in kiosks more than once and many sizes are unavailable of club merchandise. You cant sell what you don't have. If we are running with less stock, then sales targets need to be modified accordingly.

Hope this gets the message across. Those last few defeats really stung, so i look forward to the recruitment starting.


I think the kiosks are fun by Stephens.

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Topic Originator: Malcolm Canmore  
Date:   Wed 8 May 17:06

For "fun" read "run".

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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Wed 8 May 17:09

Now that the expectation levels have been greatly reduced by attempting to bring on up and coming talent, I hope the fans get right behind the lads next season and don't expect the unrealistic.

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Topic Originator: Number Eleven  
Date:   Wed 8 May 17:12

The statement was both clear and concerning. It seems like everything went wrong off the park as well as on the park. In fact the poor performances on the park contributed to the poor financial results through decreased income from walk ups and catering etc.

The new management team are being backed to continue but with a significantly reduced budget. The reliance will be placed on youth next season, but can they improve on the performances we saw this season?

The difficulties of running a football club in the Scottish Championship are highlighted by the fact that the fans need to pay more to see a team but together on a much lower budget. It seems like consolidation at this level is the best to hope for next season. But will that be so bad if a mid table finish is delivered through a young team playing attacking football, but being inconsistent and sometimes getting it wrong?

One thing that is crystal clear, fans expectations for next season should not be for a team of star players running away with the league.


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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Wed 8 May 17:20

Come on read between the lines it's pure "spin" they've wasted a boatload of money this season and it's a kop out to say we are investing in youth .everyone has a youth policy in place.

We saw on Saturday 2 of the youth players in action and it cost a goal.
There's no need to throw in the towel with regards looking for promotion Livingstone and Ayr have shown it's possible to have a good season on a low budget .
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Topic Originator: Parahandy  
Date:   Wed 8 May 17:23

The phantom fans included in the attendance won’t be buying much merchandise and food on match days



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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Wed 8 May 17:28

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DAFC_90, Wed 8 May 17:20

Come on read between the lines it's pure "spin" they've wasted a boatload of money this season and it's a kop out to say we are investing in youth .everyone has a youth policy in place.

We saw on Saturday 2 of the youth players in action and it cost a goal.
There's no need to throw in the towel with regards looking for promotion Livingstone and Ayr have shown it's possible to have a good season on a low budget .


The two teams you mention, Livvy and Ayr do have a small budget but have squads full of experience that they've kept together for a number of years.
That's what we need to do even if it means ditching unrealistic promotion chances for a couple of years.
I'm not convinced our 'supporters' will be so patient to allow the coaching staff to build a squad but I'll try be optimistic.

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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Wed 8 May 17:30

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Malcolm Canmore, Wed 8 May 17:06

For "fun" read "run".


No.... Fun is comedy gold so I'm going to read it just like that... So there 🤣



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Topic Originator: Hummingbird Harry  
Date:   Wed 8 May 17:30

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Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Wed 8 May 17:38

Chewie: "I would like to know if we offered anything to the young boys who have just left or were they deemed not good enough?"

Luke was the only "young boy" that just left unless you are including Williamson and Connolly in those, Luke though the latter applies.

The Lawyer: "The appointment of a new physio, and the use of younger players, will hopefully give us a a fitter, leaner squad"

don't think its as simple as that but hopefully the same problems don't arise.

parathletic: "Are the 13 operations linked to training methods/venues or is it just a coincidence? How many of the injuries were picked up in matches?"

at a guess just coincidence given the training (under Johnston) and venues hadn't changed.
as for in games, Thomson would be the only one for sure you could say that about, the rest while some will have happened in game they might have been training/playing for weeks with it. back to Thomson as for him playing on, the first knock was his ankle was it not? very early down next to the tunnel?

wee eck: "Does anyone know what happened to the physio who joined us from the Rovers - Stuart Phin? It seems he didn't stay long"

why was there a change in the first place? why has he left also assuming that is the case? who knows!
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Wed 8 May 17:45

A good honest thought provoking statement.

I see it as a positive step in the right direction and a hollering to the global Pars family to get behind the team, the club and make us a success, again.

Mon the Pars!

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 8 May 17:56

Re the physio, Stuart Phin was recruited to replace Kenny Murray who announced unexpectedly that he was leaving football. We had to wait a wee while until Phin worked his notice with the Rovers but he can only have been in charge for a few games. John Porteous, who was meant to be his part-time assistant, has obviously had to fill the gap. I find it odd that no announcement was made during the season about Phin's departure.
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Topic Originator: mach1  
Date:   Wed 8 May 18:13

Pretty grim read, but it was obvious that the finances would get into a worse position this year, than the last two.

Smaller crowds, poorer results, many injuries and needless payouts for ending contracts early.

I have little hope that the situation will change anytime soon as we plow on with this operating structure that we seem to be stuck with and as posted earlier, I don't think there will be much success for the rest of my supporting days.

What I do hope for is better, more exciting football played by young guys with a genuine hunger and maybe a wee bit if gallousness about them, led and guided by a couple if older heads, including a genuine leader and captain, in the mould of Norrie.

Once again, the suggestion that some fans are cheating the club by faking their age, both at the young and old ends of the age spectrum apparently, is surprising, but I'm not sure that putting a surcharge on the 'free' under 12 season tickets, or increasing walk up concession prices is the most fan friendly thing to do.

Can only hope that the team can improve their football as that'll be the best way to win the fans over and maybe to attract new ones.
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Topic Originator: Craig Par  
Date:   Wed 8 May 18:26

I totally agree with everything you have said. Short term contracts and loan players do not create a strong team. Supporters need time to bond with the players not here today gone tomorrow.
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Topic Originator: AJ27  
Date:   Wed 8 May 18:32

A very clever and very worrying statement - I absolutely get that we need to rein in the finances but I fear a team of youngsters with a couple of experienced heads (Ashcroft and Craigen?) led by Stevie Crawford feels like relegation to me - right now i’d be over the moon with a comfortable mid table position.

A team in this mould needs a strong motivator to get the best out of them - not exactly what we’ve seen from Crawford so far.

Feels to me like we should be doing everything possible to entice the walk ins - a £2 increase at a time when they are declining sounds a bit strange- and no mention of what is happening to the cost of my season ticket?
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Topic Originator: Blackandwhiteblood  
Date:   Wed 8 May 18:40

When last was there an increase.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 8 May 18:46

My interpretation was that the experienced players would be recruited from outside the club and would be in addition to the older players still at the club so there would be a sizeable nucleus of experienced players.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey  
Date:   Wed 8 May 18:47

"When last was there an increase."

Covered in the other thread, but was when we were promoted.
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Topic Originator: par-t-on  
Date:   Wed 8 May 19:19

I personally don't have an issue with the board statement and think it was mostly very open and concise. Like many others I will be back at EEP next season supporting the team, eager to see how the plans listed in the board statement play out.

The only part of it that I would question is "Working quietly in the background and providing perceptive advice on football matters, Jackie McNamara has already begun to help both the Board and our management."

I would be interested to learn what this "perceptive advice" is that is helping the club as I don't believe we as fans have seen any evidence of this from what we have witnessed on the pitch since his appointment. Whilst I can only speculate I suspect that Jackie isn't providing this advice out of his love for the football club and he will be getting compensated accordingly. In the current financial trading climate that has been unveiled is this role deemed absolutely essential? We have coped without this role in the past but I guess time will tell.

Next season is certainly going to be interesting and here is hoping we see improvements both on the pitch in terms of results and off the pitch in terms of financial outcomes.
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Wed 8 May 19:21

A question for the Supporters Council Meeting perhaps.

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Topic Originator: cfad  
Date:   Wed 8 May 19:26

Honest assessment from the Chairman. Whilst we are all fans, the reality is that the club is a business. In tough times any business makes sensible decisions around it's income and expenditure, or it goes out of business. We've almost been there recently you'll remember, and I for one would rather watch a team that is finding things difficult than no team at all.
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Topic Originator: davie moyes the first  
Date:   Wed 8 May 19:53

The point about doing ok without a Jackie McNamara role is wrong.
The board gave AJ total control over football matters including recruitment and look where we are now.
I would think that McNamara will he advising the board on these matters from now on.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Wed 8 May 20:15

This isn't surprising. I suspect thst finances are what sealed Falkirks fate after their promotion push last season. It makes sense to bring in younger players. I would agree they will be keen to develop their careers and be looking to impress on the park. This strategy perhaps will save the club from returning to part time football.
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 8 May 20:44

I hope we didn't 'go for it' last season financially as some suggest, as that would've been another naive decision.

We had Dundee Utd, Partick Thistle, Ross County and ICT in the league, there was little to no chance we were getting top spot.

The statement is pretty grim reading but a true reflection of where we are at the moment, my worry is that statement will be counter productive and put fans off as it can be read as if with a reduced playing budget and that fans expectations need to be realistic, that promotion next season isn't a target, sneaking in playoffs at a push.

That will like it or not put some fans off as they go to see us try and win and get in the top league.

Interesting times ahead.
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Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Wed 8 May 21:00

This seems fair, we can only hope the next crop of youngsters coming through are of a better standard than previous. Who was the last youngster we had come through who looked capable of playing for us in the top half of the championship.

It would be interesting to see what season ticket holders paid per home pars goal last season, it was value for money at all. It wasn’t value for money and now the playing squad budget will be slashed and you then increase prices then a number will surely stop coming.

Need to get some good preseason results and a couple of experienced ‘known’ pro’s in or your almost asking £20 a pop to watch last seasons reserve team.

Just sitting here drenched in my own negativity!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 8 May 21:07

If you read the statement Berkey it mentions investing in young players. Nowhere does it say they have to be currently at the club. Not surprised in the slightest that some can't understand a very well worded statement.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Wed 8 May 21:19

I suppose the Chairman is trying to manage expectation. As he says he is trying to be open and transparent. Thats the best way in my view. Its important to understand the challenges and set a realistic target for next season in terms of performance. It may be a transition year for the younger players to gain experience playing in tbe championship. As long as the club is going forward thats all you can ask for. This season was a step back, but msybe you need to take a step back to take a step forward. We are on a different trajectory. A step into the unknown perhaps but the player strategy we had this season clearly didn't work.
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff  
Date:   Wed 8 May 21:22

I hope the board watched the Sunderland Doc on Netflix before coming up with the 'Use youth with a couple of experienced players' policy. Every club in the World wants to operate like that.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 8 May 21:26

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DAFC_90, Wed 8 May 17:20

Come on read between the lines it's pure "spin" they've wasted a boatload of money this season and it's a kop out to say we are investing in youth .everyone has a youth policy in place.

We saw on Saturday 2 of the youth players in action and it cost a goal.
There's no need to throw in the towel with regards looking for promotion Livingstone and Ayr have shown it's possible to have a good season on a low budget .


Falkirk have recently scrapped their youth system as they expect it so save £500k a year and they'd actually sold a few players that came up through it.
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Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Thu 9 May 07:39

I welcome the transparency of the Board in issuing the statement.The fact the Board pay for their Seasons and CC membership is all you need to know about their commitment.

My question is this.In the SW Stand there are many fans who were 60,61,62,and 63 in 2018.They were paying £12 for their seat.Will they now pay £20 in 2019?Am I reading that correctly for, if so ,it is clear what the outcome will be.

Our League attendances only fell 6%(remarkable after this wretched season) so the six figure loss was a shock.

Given the season ended with 1 point from 24; 20 matches in which we did not score ;I am a little surprised by Ross' generous comments regarding Stevie's impact.However,the Board are giving him the vote of confidence and we must all respect that.

Finally, it is an utter nonsense that we are losing money in the Irn Bru Cup.It is outrageous that Championship Clubs receive 11.2% of the income from the increasingly popular BBC Scotland "Championship Sportscene".
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Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Thu 9 May 07:43

I don't think they've really been fully transparent as there's no breakdown of what these outgoings or total losses are ,it sounds a bit of a fob off to say basically lower expectations for short term success .
If if goes pear shaped by Christmas be interesting to see how thingo
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 9 May 08:27

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mach1, Wed 8 May 18:13

"Pretty grim read, but it was obvious that the finances would get into a worse position this year, than the last two.

Smaller crowds, poorer results, many injuries and needless payouts for ending contracts early."

Not sure what you mean there, mach1. I take it you're referring to the dismissal of AJand SC? Once the decision was made, the BoD had to honour their contracts. Perhaps you mean they shouldn't have been given 2 years? Hindsight is wonderful.

"Once again, the suggestion that some fans are cheating the club by faking their age, both at the young and old ends of the age spectrum apparently, is surprising, but I'm not sure that putting a surcharge on the 'free' under 12 season tickets, or increasing walk up concession prices is the most fan friendly thing to do."

I believe it's more than a suggestion. The club is aware that some fans were not paying the correct money for their age group but has been understandably reluctant to press charges. Back in 2013, I suggested at a SC meeting that U-12s be allowed in for a nominal fee of e.g. £1, if accompanied by an adult, since these kids would be tomorrow's adult fans. Ross replied that the BoD would consider that and ended up going one better and making it free for primary school children. £18 for a U-12 ST works out at £1 a game. I realise this may prevent some parents from getting a ST for their kids, but what is the club supposed to do? Just allow older kids to use these STs to get in free?



Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: parsmad123  
Date:   Thu 9 May 08:32

"I don't think they've really been fully transparent as there's no breakdown of what these outgoings or total losses are ,it sounds a bit of a fob off to say basically lower expectations for short term success .
If if goes pear shaped by Christmas be interesting to see how thingo"

They can hardly divulge in public exactly how much it cost to terminate the contracts of the background team for example.

If it bother you that much then head along to the SC Meeting and ask these questions yourself.
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Topic Originator: rikaka  
Date:   Thu 9 May 08:40

Could season tickets not be colour coded? To put folk off using the wrong ones? Or can the bar code scanners not flash a different colour with the different grades so the supervisors can challenge any fraud?
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Thu 9 May 08:59

"They can hardly divulge in public exactly how much it cost to terminate the contracts of the background team for example."

Falkirk confirmed it cost them £60k for Hartley and team in compensation when they were let go. That being said I'm not sure it's fair to make severance package details public.
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Topic Originator: The Roy Barry Fan Club  
Date:   Thu 9 May 09:00

Sliema Par:

"I welcome the transparency of the Board in issuing the statement.The fact the Board pay for their Seasons and CC membership is all you need to know about their commitment.

My question is this.In the SW Stand there are many fans who were 60,61,62,and 63 in 2018.They were paying £12 for their seat.Will they now pay £20 in 2019?Am I reading that correctly for, if so ,it is clear what the outcome will be."

Rest easy Sliema -- the age thresholds for discounts are being retained -- so still kicks in at 60. My understanding is that there is an across the board increase of £2 per ticket -- so if they were paying £12, then £14, and certainly not £20 next season. You will get the chance to confirm this next Thursday.
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Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Thu 9 May 09:16

We are being very generous with concessions for folk at 60.

Changing times and most people will still be working at that age and have got rid of pesky expensive children.

Should be full price to 65.
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Topic Originator: The Roy Barry Fan Club  
Date:   Thu 9 May 09:22

DAFC 90 says "I don't think they've really been fully transparent as there's no breakdown of what these outgoings or total losses are..."

Might be worth noting that the Club's financial year runs to 31 May[ the year has still not ended], and I wouldn't expect them to have a precise figure on the loss until much later in the year. I also wouldn't expect them to release commercially sensitive facts relating to the Club or personal information about employees (or former employees).

Personally I think the Chairman has said more than enough to inform most people of the situation (as reflected above), and far more than any other Chairman has said thus far in any Club in Scotland. If you are still not satisfied about the board's integrity or transparency, then I can only suggest that you turn up to the Supporters' Council meeting next week and talk to them. Again, I don't see many football club's Boards putting themselves forward for this type of scrutiny.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 9 May 09:30

"Rest easy Sliema -- the age thresholds for discounts are being retained -- so still kicks in at 60. My understanding is that there is an across the board increase of £2 per ticket -- so if they were paying £12, then £14, and certainly not £20 next season."

That's not what it says in the statement - at least as I interpret it.

We have considered changing the charges for older supporters in line with other clubs and also the changing working environment so that the only discounted threshold would be at 65. However, we have decided not to do that for season tickets, but only for match day tickets.

My interpretation is that only 65 + will qualify for the concessionary walk up price, anybody in the 60-64 age range will only be entitled to an age discount on season tickets

If that is the case, that will certainly severley hack off the cohort who will see an effective £8 rise in the walk up gate price - and could well be a major error of judgement by the board.

It was Marv who historically persuaded a previous administration that the concessionary age should be lowered to 60 for all. That was when women qualified at 60 for state pension, whereas it was 65 for men - and she (correctly) saw that as discriminatory.

That is no longer valid of course as the state pension age has been gradually equalised.

Sliema is correct - that needs clarification.





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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Thu 9 May 10:16

I sit among the old and decrepit, like me ,who are falling off their perch,in the SW Stand.

Three have already contacted me to say they will only be choosing box office games eg Dundee if these figures are correct.
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Topic Originator: The Roy Barry Fan Club  
Date:   Thu 9 May 10:25

I agree that that needs clarification.

If the age discount for 60-65 is available on season tickets but not on walk-up prices, then I would have thought the answer was obvious. Buy a season ticket to avail yourself of the age discount.

As it happens I sit in the Main Stand and I am in that age bracket, as are my mates. We all have season tickets. I would have thought most of the home support in the age bracket 60-65 have season tickets?
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Thu 9 May 10:30

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Sliema Par, Thu 9 May 10:16

I sit among the old and decrepit, like me ,who are falling off their perch,in the SW Stand.

Three have already contacted me to say they will only be choosing box office games eg Dundee if these figures are correct.


These sound like fair weather fans not willing to support the team and pay the same price as the rest of the commited fans.
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Topic Originator: Perkins  
Date:   Thu 9 May 10:32

60-65 is probably one of the wealthiest age groups on average among the fans
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 9 May 10:52

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Perkins, Thu 9 May 10:32

60-65 is probably one of the wealthiest age groups on average among the fans


Hahaha!!!

You don't want to get into the politics of that statement!

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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Thu 9 May 10:53

Given some of the content we need to a group to look at "innovative" ways to start "selling" football that are cost-neutral in the initial phases. Things like safe standing etc are lighyears away due to costs to implement, Beer at games etc however may well give extra revenue. Sadly as it gets close another incident happens with the idiots

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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Thu 9 May 11:09

"Could season tickets not be colour coded? To put folk off using the wrong ones? Or can the bar code scanners not flash a different colour with the different grades so the supervisors can challenge any fraud?"

They already do this AFAIK, the panel on the concourse has a coloured LED that indicates what ticket has been used and a steward inside the ground should be able to identify if the correct ticket has been used then the user enters the concourse. I guess it's easy to say that but is a steward going to be looking at an LED display for an hour at a time, especially when in 90% of cases there will be no issue and on top of the fact they may have people asking them questions, etc.?
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Thu 9 May 11:26

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Perkins, Thu 9 May 10:32

60-65 is probably one of the wealthiest age groups on average among the fans


Common sense prevails and they will be paying the same walk up as someone at 59 years of age.

For some reason they save a fortune on season tickets.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 9 May 11:31

LochgellyAlbert - wasn’t your lady wife in the age group where women “lost” state pension at 60 and were placed on the gradually equalising scale for 60-65 year old females ?

It’s a gross exaggeration for anybody to say that 60-65 years olds are the wealthiest age bracket in our society.

That entirely depends on individual circumstances, many are reliant on state pension and benefits to live on.
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Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Thu 9 May 11:31

Of course we have been paying out for fifty years and more and,believe me,there were far far worse seasons than this.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 9 May 12:36

This makes me wonder what the board’s position is on proposals to expand the Championship to 12 clubs ?

That’s an additional 4 home league fixtures - which would mean a significant rise in ST prices, with similar effect on fans costs at walk up rates.

Could have a noticeable negative impact - punters not willing to handover an extra £20 x four, especially where the opposition are possibly mediocre imports from the lower league and/or reprieved relegation teams.

Many supporters don’t buy an ST because of personal and family commitments which prevent them from attending a significant number of games over the course of a season.

Adding to the number of league fixtures is only going to make STs even less attractive to this group of supporters.
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: Perkins  
Date:   Thu 9 May 12:51

"Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 9 May 11:31

It’s a gross exaggeration for anybody to say that 60-65 years olds are the wealthiest age bracket in our society."


According to the ONS 55-64 age group is the wealthiest in the UK. Second is 65-74.



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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 9 May 12:58

You’ll need to translate that into plain language for a simpleton like me !!!
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: DAFC_90  
Date:   Thu 9 May 15:03

Topic Originator: The Roy Barry Fan Club like | nolike Like: 1 - 1
Date: Thu 9 May 09:22


Having to explain yourself is considered by many as a sign of weakness.
In the chairman's case it's to release done over the guilt if his missmanagement .
Was Crawford really worth the expense it's cost to give him the job.
If it had been a top class proven manager ,fair enough. But to go to to the extent the board gave got be to put someone who is a huge gamble all built on a long term future is crazy.
Hopefully it will all work out and we stay in the league and develop our own youth players, but many clubs have failed .
Christmas should give us a good indication
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 9 May 18:07

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veteraneastender, Thu 9 May 11:31

LochgellyAlbert - wasn’t your lady wife in the age group where women “lost” state pension at 60 and were placed on the gradually equalising scale for 60-65 year old females ?

It’s a gross exaggeration for anybody to say that 60-65 years olds are the wealthiest age bracket in our society.

That entirely depends on individual circumstances, many are reliant on state pension and benefits to live on.


Don't get her started VE , worked from 15yrs, expected pension at 60, now arriving 21 days before her 66th birthday! Government being taken to Court first week in June, c'mon the WASPI 's!!!
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Thu 9 May 20:40

I believe it was the Tony Blair government that increased the pension age.

matt forsyth
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 9 May 21:56

Tories accelerated it!
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 9 May 21:58

Oh, and forgot to tell the ladies!
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 9 May 22:19

https://www.byline.com/column/22/article/2237
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 Re: End of Season Statement
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 9 May 22:20

"I believe it was the Tony Blair government that increased the pension age."

According to this, it was announced by the Tories in 1995 under pressure from EU.

http://www.web40571.clarahost.co.uk/statepensionage/SPA_history.htm

It also suggests the Tories implemented a "relaxed timetable" - no doubt to try and sweeten the bitter pill in time for the next general election.

Thereafter, in 2007, the Labour administration extended the age range even further.

I may be wrong - but back in day when the issue had to be addressed for action the incumbent government in theory could have reduced the male age to 60 to create parity with women, but the cost implications were astronomical.
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