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 Scotland Women
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 14:51

2-0 down to Japan at halftime ,pretty poor display by Scotland again in the first half

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 14:54

Depressing stuff; the outfield players aren't prepared to take responsibility. The ball always seem to go backwards or sideways.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: nazpar  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 14:57

Aye very poor .passing backwards or sidewards embarrassing display

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: ParsPryde  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 14:59

Never seen us playing so timidly. Really frustrating.

Too much respect for past winners Japan but this is not the same team that won!

We have players who can turn this around but need to get a dig back in the team

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 15:01

I can't confess to know everything about women's football but I saw Abi Harrison playing a few times for Hibs ladies last season before she got a move to England and she was the best female player I'd seen in the flesh.She is 21 and was top scorer in the Scottish league 2 years running.On what I've seen she would have made a difference and should have been in the squad.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 15:02

Kim Little supposed to be world class ,too many backwards passes ,get going forward

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: 1957Par  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 15:02


Pretty much agree with all that. They seemed to be off the pace way too early in the game. No real game plan . A poor game from them.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 15:05

We have been sitting off them too much but I've been really impressed with Japan's midfield. They've been pretty tidy knocking the ball about and have pressed intelligently.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 15:14

After watching the pars last season and the Scottish women in the world cup the time has one to ban the backwards pass from all players now 🤭

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Hay Fever  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 15:16

Woman’s team seem to have got the men’s bug of Passing about the back 4 for half hour then pumping it forward to no one. Really poor. Surely there is a plan! Surely?
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: parbucks  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 15:22

Too slow and predictable. Japan always have plenty of space and time on the ball.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: daviepars1885  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 15:23

Their getting pumped in all areas
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: parbucks  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 15:49

Too Little, too late.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 15:57

If all the players had shown the same urgency as Cuthbert and, when she came on, Emslie, we might have done some damage. Little and Weir have been very disappointing in the tournament so far; no luck with the refereeing decisions though.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 17:53

Turned it off at half time as it was too typical a Scottish display. Predictable, can’t do the basics, hopeless.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: bigdonnie  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 18:23

same in both games got to go 2-0 down in first half before starting playing in 2nd half in both games could have at least drawn now have to beat argentina our its will be crying argentina lol

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 18:53

There was a lot of back and side passing in the England game for the time I watched it. The skipper was the biggest culprit.
Shame. They needed to be braver on the ball or go long to get the opposition turning ?




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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 20:14

So that hand ball incident - I am confused- what is the role of VAR? Is VAR proactive -should they tell the ref they have missed something and should be reviewed or is it only the Ref who asks VAR to look at something?
The hand ball was as obvious as the one in the game against England where VAR intervened or certainly appeared to.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 20:24

As much as a fan as I am of VAR I was confused by that too. When play stopped I thought there was a decision to be made on the hand ball that under the rules one the ref should be making.

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 20:30

Clear handball - especially going by the new laws. We wuz robbed. Again
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 20:57

Isn't it the responsibility of the VAR officials to refer any incidents to the ref they think she should reconsider? Presumably they didn't think the possible Japanese handball warranted being reconsidered by the ref.

The way things are going they would be as well saying any handball in the box is a penalty.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: PARadise  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 21:45

as bad as we were we deserved a point with cuthbert hitting the post and the penalty, what is the point in VAR, if your no gonna use it for big decisions then get it to fu...
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 21:50

Usual sob story regarding Scotland.

Emslie......? Aye....
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 22:35

Engerland beat Argentina 1-0 ,good result for scots women but Argentina are not losing goals so will not be a push over in the last game,0-0 would be a very Scottish thing to do

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 22:42

The Scottish thing to do would be to beat Argentina but fail to qualify as one of the four best third-placed teams!
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: parbucks  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 23:21

Overall Scotland have been second best in both games so far regardless of the final result. Do not seem to be confident going forward and take too many touches sideways and backwards to trouble the opposition.

Disappointing and need to up their game big time or it will be another early departure for a Scotland team.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Fri 14 Jun 23:29

Lack confidence going forward. Why do we always feel inferior, go for it.!
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Sat 15 Jun 07:59

Think Jim Jeffries is doing the coaching the amount of times we go across and backwards is unbelievable, can,t see us beating the Argies

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 15 Jun 15:41

The management folk should try and stop the players reading and listening to the popular Scottish media.

Like back in the day when the press, radio and TV pundits kept telling the mens team how good they could be - then came the reality which has now become the norm.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: USMac  
Date:   Mon 17 Jun 03:30

Scotland are not in bad shape. They lost twice to two of the tournament favorites, but only by one goal each. They always knew that they would have to win their last fixture v Argentina, although that will not be an easy task because Argentina gave up only one goal total in 180 mins against England and Japan.

Still, if Scotland can win and improve their -2 GD even by one goal, they stand a good chance to make the knockout round. Nigeria is likely to lose v France tomorrow, and even a one-goal loss would put Nigeria's GD at -2. In Group E, Cameroon and NZ play each other and both have zero points with a -3 GD, and in Group F, Chile and Thailand play each other and both have zero points as well as well as poor GDs.

So Scotland with a win v Argentina would likely qualify as a third-place team.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Mon 17 Jun 13:57

Shelley Kerr kept saying before the tournament started that their aim was to win one game-negative mindset from the start.As we speak now Japan are only 10th favourites at 33/1 and we showed them too much respect.We need a win to avoid finishing bottom which won't be easy but good luck to them.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: PARadise  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 20:39

we are playing some crackin football get tuned into it
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 20:42

Quote:

PARadise, Wed 19 Jun 20:39

we are playing some crackin football get tuned into it


Decent game. All playing well apart from Kirsty Smith, giving the ball away every time she gets it.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 20:48

Our full backs are the weakest part of the team.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: 1957Par  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 20:55



"Our full backs are the weakest part of the team."
Where have we heard that before?
The girls are playing quite well, but we really need to sharpen up at the back, and look after the ball better.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:06

What a cross and header...that kind of wing play would walk into our team right now...

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:08

Superb cross and header... superb

East End Park is a symbol of all that is DAFC.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:14

The craw should be wondering how to get Cuthbert playing for us next season

East End Park is a symbol of all that is DAFC.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:25

Quote:

MDCCCLXXXV, Wed 19 Jun 21:14

The craw should be wondering how to get Cuthbert playing for us next season


I feel she would be playing at a far higher standard than us...

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Parsweep  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:26

She deserved that goal . Far and away the best player on the park !

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:27

Yep busy wee player who chases everything and gets her reward
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:27

There's always that rasta 👍👍👍

East End Park is a symbol of all that is DAFC.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:32

larroquette is a dirty piece of work
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:35

How typical is this!
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:35

Smith is rotten-costing us time and again
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:36

Only scotland could make it this hard

East End Park is a symbol of all that is DAFC.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:37

poor keeping
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:37

Ahh Scotland. We’re losers even when we’re winning. Our own worst enemies.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:38

Will they qualify if result stays as is?
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:38

Hope they are not going to Scotland it!
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:38

I'm friends with the keeper's relatives who stay in Dunfermline so no comment:)
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:42

Noooooooooooooo!
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:42

Surely a pen coming here
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:43

I think they might have choked....looks awfy like a penalty.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:43

Has to be a penalty to be fair...gutting.

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:43

3-0 and they were cruising in.
1 goal advantage is down to other results.

VAR.............
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: daviepars1885  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:43

Var going to do us
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: 1957Par  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:45

Penalty, who new. Desperate to throw this away.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:45

FFS
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Parsweep  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:46

Only Scotland eh !
Kerr's substitution strategy a bit like an ex Pars manager ?

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:46

Dearie me




It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:47

How long has this taken?
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:47

Brilliant Keeper
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:47

Double save 🙌
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:48

What a ***** penalty




It's bloody tough being a legend
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:48

Quote:

daviepars1885, Wed 19 Jun 21:43

Var going to do us


Crazy sliding tackle in the box did us, not VAR.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: parbucks  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:48

Regardless of whether it was a penalty we nearly blew it ....again for a Scotland team.

Forget that.. we did.



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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: daviepars1885  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:48

Yeees
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: 1957Par  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:48

Redemption?
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:48

Retake




It's bloody tough being a legend
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:48

Noooooooooooo! Again!
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:48

whoop whoop

makes up for the howler

VAR again FFS
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: daviepars1885  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:49

Ffs
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:49

**** VAR.
Travesty.

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Parsweep  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:49

VAR making a nonsense of fitba

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:49

Quote:

ipswichpar, Wed 19 Jun 21:47

How long has this taken?


To be fair it was a difficult call. One of the angles almost made it look like there was a touch on the ball.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:49

It's taken about 10 mins since the initial penalty incident!
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:49

Typical Scotland!
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:49

Don't believe that
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:50

Another ***** penalty




It's bloody tough being a legend
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:50

Appalling....
Enjoy the game while we can at our level because in VAR the bolt to the head of the game has been shot.

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:50

VAR sucks

East End Park is a symbol of all that is DAFC.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Big T Par  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:51

Fitbaws fvcked. VAR GTF

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:51

Goalies have been cheating for years. It’s about time




It's bloody tough being a legend
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:52

Eh Final Whistle, What a joke
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:52

What a joke-where was the injury time!
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:52

It's not var, it's the use of it. Clearly football needs to have a think about how best to use it
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:52

What a joke of a referee!!!
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:52

Never a penalty, you can clearly see the change in direction of the ball.

matt forsyth
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:52

They need to stop the clock on VAR decisions. That was poor.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: parbucks  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:53

Regardless of VAR we blew it.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: DAFC2015  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:53

Before the penalty was awarded, the referee restarted play whilst we were making a sub
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:54

Her foot was just off the line when the ball was struck, bawhair of a decision!
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:54

Yip a joke of a finish, but 3 nil up it should never have come to that.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:54

Looked a penalty to me.




It's bloody tough being a legend
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:55

Every minute of every day that's a penalty.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:55

Stonewaller
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:55

There's naff all wrong with VAR, it's those that are reviewing it and interpreting it that are at fault and what it's being used for.

It must be so difficult for a keeper to stay on the goal line when maneuvering the body to make a save, that second penalty there for me was proof of that a keeper scared to leave the line.

End of the day we bottled it, losing a three goal lead, and were very timid in the other games, don't deserve to go through.

Absolutely typical of Scotland though.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:56

Took me a few goes watching it as I thought the same as EED at first but most of the angles made it look like she missed the ball so I think it probably was a penalty.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:57

Agree. Should have shut up shop and seen the game out. Manager has to take the rap here




It's bloody tough being a legend
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: wulliepar57  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:57

was no better than the men same old same old
3-0 up shouldn't throw that away
Must admit dont like the VAR decisions regarding keepers
and that's every game Scotland have given a penalty away !
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:57

By the way, how do women earn more than 200 caps ?




It's bloody tough being a legend
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:58

Why have they used female refs?
Surely that is sexist?
We have female refs in mens football, surely we should have had the worlds best refs at the world cup women or not?
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: d3monstrate  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 21:59

Sexism is only one way...
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 22:00

VAR at it again. Anyone defending this has absolutely lost the plot. Get it tae feck
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 22:01

It's timekeeping that has to be looked at. The ref lost the place with time should have been another 5 minutes.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 22:02

The decisions were ultimately the right ones though. The retake feels a sair yin but that's only because we've all spent God knows how long watching keepers get away with what is technically a rule breach.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 22:03

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VAR at it again. Anyone defending this has absolutely lost the plot. Get it tae feck


No keep it, but us it more effectively.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 22:09

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Berry, Wed 19 Jun 22:03

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SergioDuarte, Wed 19 Jun 22:00

VAR at it again. Anyone defending this has absolutely lost the plot. Get it tae feck


No keep it, but us it more effectively.


Why ? The game was fine before obviously not perfect but VAR clearly hasn’t improved the game. It’s made it a lot worse . The magic has gone .
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 22:12

Is the stricter interpretation of the goalkeeper moving at a penalty kick going to be applied in all games next season, even where VAR isn't used?
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 22:15

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SergioDuarte, Wed 19 Jun 22:09

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Berry, Wed 19 Jun 22:03

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SergioDuarte, Wed 19 Jun 22:00

VAR at it again. Anyone defending this has absolutely lost the plot. Get it tae feck


No keep it, but us it more effectively.


Why ? The game was fine before obviously not perfect but VAR clearly hasn’t improved the game. It’s made it a lot worse . The magic has gone .


It simply wasnt. The game is full of historically cack decisions not to mention corruption has been rife in some cases.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 22:17

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londonparsfan, Wed 19 Jun 22:15

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SergioDuarte, Wed 19 Jun 22:09

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Berry, Wed 19 Jun 22:03

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SergioDuarte, Wed 19 Jun 22:00

VAR at it again. Anyone defending this has absolutely lost the plot. Get it tae feck


No keep it, but us it more effectively.


Why ? The game was fine before obviously not perfect but VAR clearly hasn’t improved the game. It’s made it a lot worse . The magic has gone .


It simply wasnt. The game is full of historically cack decisions not to mention corruption has been rife in some cases.


And VAR fixes that ?
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 22:20

Far harder to fix a game when you have to bribe an entire video referee team as well as a ref so yes.

As for mistakes being made, it doesn't eradicate them but it does limit them. There are far more correct decisions than not. Even tonight's were ultimately correct.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 22:21

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SergioDuarte, Wed 19 Jun 22:09

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Berry, Wed 19 Jun 22:03

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SergioDuarte, Wed 19 Jun 22:00

VAR at it again. Anyone defending this has absolutely lost the plot. Get it tae feck


No keep it, but us it more effectively.


Why ? The game was fine before obviously not perfect but VAR clearly hasn’t improved the game. It’s made it a lot worse . The magic has gone .


Game wasnt fine at all, blatant errors leading to goals - those in the net that are clearly offside are not going to slip the net anymore, no more fairies diving for penalties.

Like I say if you keep VAR simple and use it efficiently, it would work.

That penalty re-take to the law was the right decision for example, that's not VARs fault, that's the general rule that's at fault, how can you comfortably dive for the ball whilst trying to stick on to the line?

The first penalty, the fact it took over 5mins to suss it out should prove it wasnt clear and obvious and the initial decision of no penalty should have stood (personally thought it was a pen though!).

I don't think the ref should have the opportunity to go off the pitch to watch it for themselves, if the 5 folk that have multiple 50 inch tv screens available to them along with slow motion and multiple angles, if they cant suss it why refer it back to the ref, advise the ref that it isn't clear and stick to original decision.

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 22:22

Lets put it this way if that whole fiasco had happened between against against an England v Argentina in a mens game there would have been a riot.

That is potentially what VAR is going to bring to the party imo!



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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 22:26

We blew it, end of.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 22:41

Bottled it big time but there was 5 second half subs, we got 2 bookings for time-wasting, the VAR review and retake took well over about 7 or 8 minutes(the initial foul was in the 86th minute I believe) Should've been about another 7 plus minutes!
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 22:51

The game has been crying out for VAR for years too many games won and lost on bad decisions in real time by the officials
We are Scotland we don't do second stages we don't manage games we don't protect leads We are Scotland :-)
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 22:56

I am yet to hear one single convincing argument to keep VAR. It’s adding on 20 mins a game. No one seems to have a clue what is going on in a game of football now. You can’t even celebrate a goal without VAR reviewing it . Football was better without VAR.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 23:03

'I am yet to hear one single convincing argument to keep VAR.'

There is the glaringly obvious one: it gets the majority of decisions correct. You've decided you dont like it which is fair enough, it's a free world but if you won't accept the most obvious argument then you won't hear anything that's going to change your mind.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Livingston Par  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 23:05

I agree Sergio sick of it already
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 23:15

If VAR doesn’t get 100% of the decisions right every single time it’s not worth destroying the entire game imo. It’s really turning me off the game unfortunately and plenty of others as well.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 23:17

I'll give you a reason why VAR will stay...
Fifa love it.
That's it... Get used to it.
It's not going away.



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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 05:01

Is not var that's at fault, its the game isn't using it correctly.
Yes use it for the penalty decision but not for the penalty itself. Use it for red cards incidents, use it for potential offside goals...

... but don't use it to check for every corner or by kick, don't spend 5 mins assessing if a shy was thrown correctly. It defo has its place, it will end poor decisions that change games and ultimately make the game better and fairer - but only if utilised correctly... I'm a supporter of var, but the game clearly hasnt quite figured out how best to use it yet.

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 06:00

We lost the game not V.A.R. , a few players legs had gone and we should have brought on subs and shut up shop , total naivety on coaches part

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 06:56

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SergioDuarte, Wed 19 Jun 23:15

If VAR doesn’t get 100% of the decisions right every single time it’s not worth destroying the entire game imo. It’s really turning me off the game unfortunately and plenty of others as well.


You're not grasping the fact that it's not VAR that's making the decision it's simply allowing the ref another opportunity to look at the play. They still make the decision.

Fault doesn't lie with VAR in the slightest.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 07:22

The last 3 posts have been bang on.




It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: dd23  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 08:17

Post removed, wrong thread

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: Lambo1885  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 08:45

I think there's a place for VAR in the game, but it needs to be used better. It should only be for checking goals, offsides and CLEAR and OBVIOUS mistakes. The VAR team should be given a max 30-60 seconds to review and if they need longer it isn't clear or obvious so game continues. The referee should also stop the clock during VAR process.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 09:02

It shouldn't be overlooked that Scotland played some excellent football in this game. Kim Little and Caroline Weir were more like themselves and Erin Cuthbert gave her all as usual. There was also some old-fashioned wing play from Claire Emslie. They all deserved to go farther in the tournament.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: JimMcDAFC  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 10:32

Scotland blew it last night should have used all subs in the last 15, 20 minutes. If you watched that stage of the game Scotland were losing nearly all 50/50 challenges apart from the fouls they commited. I think there should be a time limit to making VAR decisions as last night's penalty one went on far to long and as the rules say a ref. must have 100% certainty that it is a penalty so if the panel/ ref can't decide within say 3 - minutes it surely is no penalty. Is this competition being used by FIFA as a trial for the men's game next year, also have not seen much Jersey pulling at corners in the women s game. I would stick with VAR but it needs a bit of tidying up and still only as good as the ref./officials using it.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: PARadise  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 10:59

mental how when we were three nil up there was a handful of posts but when we muck up everyone’s on the case
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 11:24

Not liking VAR is hardly a logical arguement for not having it.

Last night it assisted the officials getting a couple of critical decisions correct, although sadly not in Scotland's favour.

Had it been around a few years ago it would have prevented Ireland being blatanlty robbed v France, for example, and would have stopped the "wrong" team going to the WC finals.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: PARadise  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 12:07

I wouldn’t be so sure, Scotland had a blatant penalty shout and VAR wasn’t even used, Jamaica have been done by it, France have gotten away with decisions at this world cup there has been a few cases of it favouring the ‘big’ teams.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 15:47

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PARadise, Thu 20 Jun 12:07

I wouldn’t be so sure, Scotland had a blatant penalty shout and VAR wasn’t even used, Jamaica have been done by it, France have gotten away with decisions at this world cup there has been a few cases of it favouring the ‘big’ teams.


Why can some of you not understand that VAR is not a conscious being that makes decisions.
It is humans that make the decisions and we rarely agree.
VAR is a useful tool that provides information to be analised by humans. At least it gives the opportunity to review incidents before humans draw conclusions which a % of other humans will always dispute.

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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: PARadise  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 15:53

I never alluded that it was a being I simply mean use it properly which the officials haven’t in our games so get rid of it or get officials that are up to the task of refereeing a world cup as that ref clearly isn’t
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 16:05

We lost a goal, in part, because Argentina were allowed to play on whilst a sub was being made. Terrible refereeing and a clear violation of the laws of the game.Should VAR have been used for that?
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 16:11

To all those saying we should have made earlier subs, Sophie Howard's first act on coming on was to make a rash challenge which resulted in a penalty. She may have provided fresh legs but maybe her mind wasn't sufficiently attuned to the atmosphere and tempo of the game.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 16:32

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parathletic, Thu 20 Jun 16:05

We lost a goal, in part, because Argentina were allowed to play on whilst a sub was being made. Terrible refereeing and a clear violation of the laws of the game.Should VAR have been used for that?


Personally I think it should have. It would correct an obvious error.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 17:19

It gives me to pleasure to say this... But...
Boohoo we got beat so it's aw the refs fault and VAR hates us and any other excuse we can trot out...
Let's face facts... They bottled it big time.
If they were good enough they would be through to the next round.
They are not CURRENTLY good enough. In the future they might well be but not at this moment in time.
But hey, it's not all bad... At least they actually got to a world cup.



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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 17:27

There's nothing wrong with picking over the entrails of a game. There were lessons to be learned for the players, the manager and maybe even for the officials and the lawmakers.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 17:32

Topic Originator: londonparsfan like | nolike
Date: Thu 20 Jun 16:32

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parathletic, Thu 20 Jun 16:05

We lost a goal, in part, because Argentina were allowed to play on whilst a sub was being made. Terrible refereeing and a clear violation of the laws of the game.Should VAR have been used for that?


Personally I think it should have. It would correct an obvious error.


I'm with you there. If it's used it had to be used in that instance.The issue is where does it stop?if there is a foul throw in the build up to a goal then technically it should also be used there, if a free-kick was taken from the wrong place etc etc
The flow of the game will completely go eventually.All-action end to end stuff is what I want to see at the climax of a game not constant stoppages.Unless the talk of VAR diminishes it can't be healthy as it seems to be taking away from the actual game at the moment-the exact thing it was meant to improve.

I accept there may be teething problems therefore introduce it for a sustained period at a lower level and see how to improve it before rolling it out universally with a common set of rules if it's a success-don't use it in front of a worldwide audience as a trial and error scenario-it's typical of the footballing authorities.
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 Re: Scotland Women
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Thu 20 Jun 22:07

142 posts on a wumins fitba thread. Couldny see that 10 years ago. Defo on the up.

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