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 Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: bencrawfordd  
Date:   Wed 24 Jul 10:32

Is Dundonald BLUEBELL based on the flower?

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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: average white par  
Date:   Wed 24 Jul 10:36

It is, but only because they couldnae get the matches tae light...

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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Wed 24 Jul 11:17

Beat Valleyfield colliery 19-0 back in the day.... Could have been 20 but they missed a penalty apparently



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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Wed 24 Jul 12:45

That’s some advance notice of the friendly on Cows ! I’ll put it in my diary.
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: Ianoappar  
Date:   Wed 24 Jul 13:30

Just announced on COWS it's been postponed due to last night's rain.
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Wed 24 Jul 13:38

Lots of Junior teams were based on pit teams and a lot of them had flower names, I think I read somewhere.
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: CALGARYPAR  
Date:   Wed 24 Jul 16:46

A guest on OFF THE BALL recently who claims to be “in the know” with Scottish football said that lots of these teams were formed around hard times and flowers were one of the few bright things in life, these names were used to try and give an uplifting feel to the couple hours a week you got to forget about the rest of the world. Or something close to that anyway.
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Wed 24 Jul 18:01

I’ve been trying to find the answer to that very question for a while, nobody seemed to know

Thanks for that information, makes me 😊
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: 68guns  
Date:   Wed 24 Jul 19:08

From what I have been told it was the names of the different flowers that grew in the fields where the pitheads emerged.
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Wed 24 Jul 21:28

I read a good blog about this very subject only yesterday

http://neososmos.blogspot.com/2019/07/a-rosebud-by-any-other-name-would-smell.html?m=1

"The suffix “Thistle” is of course well known in Scottish football. However there many other flowers around:  Crossgates Primrose, Dundonald Bluebell, Bonnyrigg Rose (linked to Bonnyrigg in Sydney?), Hill of Beath Hawthorn, Dundee Violet, Montrose Roselea & Easthouses Lily to name a few. All are still playing semi-professional football.  Those clubs no longer with us include a Loanhead Mayflower & East Benhar Heatherbell.  A couple of short-lived Rosebud’s existed in the 1880s


Older supporters still refer to Newmains United as "The Dallies", a Scots version of Dahlias.


Many of these teams come from former mining (both coal and shale) and heavy industry areas/ One theory is that the flower names represented a brighter picture than calling the team "Colliery" or "Ironworks", painting a picture of what delights await at the weekend to help you through the grim realities of life in 19C industrial Scotland.


Another interesting theory I have read is that this 'flower habit' could have arisen among largely 'protestant'-run teams, to distance them from the rife sectarianism of the times. It was hoped that being associated with such a benign totem would decrease the likelihood of internecine supporter violence, and presumably help attract players of both faiths."

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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Wed 24 Jul 21:33

http://neososmos.blogspot.com/2019/07/a-rosebud-by-any-other-name-would-smell.html?m=1



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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: sabre74  
Date:   Wed 24 Jul 21:36

Lochgelly Albert is an interesting one. The Albert I'm sure was used as soldiers from the town fought in world war 1 at Albert during the Battle of the Somme. Read about it a few years back.





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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 24 Jul 21:54

There was a team called Lochgelly Violet at one time but I'm not sure what grade of football they played.
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Wed 24 Jul 23:28

One of my former work colleagues played for Stonehouse Violet. He got a lot of stick from the boys in the office. I'm sure the team were a bunch of hairy legged caber tossers but the name Violet conjured up the opposite impression. There must have been a time when calling teams after flowers was in vogue but it kind of jangles the ear a bit these days.
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Wed 24 Jul 23:34

Yes it makes sense what red star par says because the teams with flower suffix's are all in mining areas, which tends to suggest that they were called after the mine of the same name.



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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: 68guns  
Date:   Thu 25 Jul 07:52

Billy Liddell signed for Liverpool from Lochgelly Violet.
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 25 Jul 11:37

We still get Liverpool supporters visiting to see where the great Billy Liddell used to play, they also visit Townhill, the place of his birth.
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 25 Jul 14:18

Did Lochgelly Violet and Lochgelly Albert ever exist at the same time or did Albert replace Violet?
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Thu 25 Jul 16:21

If Wiki is accurate, then Lochgelly Albert were founded as an amateur club in 1926 and became a Junior club in 1933.

"The Albert were followed into the Junior ranks by another team in 1935. This team were called Lochgelly Violet, and their first game on 29 July 1935 was away to Lochgelly Albert at Gardiner's Park. The outcome of this game was a 2–0 victory for the Albert and was watched by 2,000 local spectators."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lochgelly_Albert_F.C.

Billy Liddell played for Lochgelly Violet before going to Liverpool, and this YouTube video suggests their ground was at Violet Park until 1949.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lygHNBzbJEQ

There was also Lochgelly United, who were a Senior club until they were wound up in 1928.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lochgelly_United_F.C.

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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 25 Jul 17:05

Thanks, Stanza.
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Thu 25 Jul 18:06

Is this game going to be rescheduled.


Cracker of a cup draw for them.

William Hill Scottish Cup Preliminary Round 1

Bell v Auchinleck Talbot - Saturday 10th August 3pm KO
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Fri 26 Jul 09:52

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Stanza, Thu 25 Jul 16:21

If Wiki is accurate, then Lochgelly Albert were founded as an amateur club in 1926 and became a Junior club in 1933.

"The Albert were followed into the Junior ranks by another team in 1935. This team were called Lochgelly Violet, and their first game on 29 July 1935 was away to Lochgelly Albert at Gardiner's Park. The outcome of this game was a 2–0 victory for the Albert and was watched by 2,000 local spectators."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lochgelly_Albert_F.C.

Billy Liddell played for Lochgelly Violet before going to Liverpool, and this YouTube video suggests their ground was at Violet Park until 1949.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lygHNBzbJEQ

There was also Lochgelly United, who were a Senior club until they were wound up in 1928.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lochgelly_United_F.C.


Lochgelly Albert hold the Junior crowd record for a Scottish Cup tie, over 11000 for a game against Boness, season 47/48.

On the Lochgelly FB page there's an article about players from Lochgelly that went senior, and the majority came from Lochgelly United. Even Leishman nor Ronnie Millar(Man Utd) never made the top eleven.

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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: 68guns  
Date:   Fri 26 Jul 14:43

If your looking for a comprehensive guide to all things Fife and Football then this is a fantastic piece of work.

Not sure how to do the link so if someone could oblige I'm sure most will find it educational.


http://www.scottish-football-historical-archive.co.nf/fieldsoffife.pdf

page 102 is all things Lochgelly related
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Fri 26 Jul 16:07

http://www.scottish-football-historical-archive.co.nf/fieldsoffife.pdf

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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: 68guns  
Date:   Fri 26 Jul 16:57

cheers, can you give me a pointer of what goes before and after the link tome it work
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Fri 26 Jul 19:42

[ url] before.
after.
Leave no spaces.





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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: Gem 1977  
Date:   Sat 27 Jul 09:46

Not Dundonald related, but my great grandad played in goal for Bowhill Rovers in the mid to late 1930s. I was given one of his old medals not long ago.

Not sure how to rotate the photo though 😂






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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: 68guns  
Date:   Sat 27 Jul 11:46

From the linked book it looks like its a fife junior cup winning medal:-


Rovers were formed in 1930 playing in the local Juvenile League, they turned junior in 1935. In the 1930’s although the area was in depression the club was not, winning its first league title in 1930/31 season and won it again in 1934/35 and were runners up in the league in 1931/32, 1933/34 and 1935/36 as well as winning the Fife County Cup in 1932, 1934, and 1937, the Fife and Lothian Cup in 1936, the Dunfermline Cup in 1931 and 1940. In 1941 the club won the Dunfermline and the Cowdenbeath Cups.


Rovers were reformed in 1945 they were to be runners up in the Fife Junior Cup in 1947 and a year later runners up in the Cowdenbeath Cup, they closed at the end of the 1950/51 season because there was no funding from the local pit.
Founded – 1930 Defunct – 1951
Ground – Wellsgreen Park
Leagues – Fife County League 1930 – 1940, 1946 - 51
Highest Attendance - 5,000 v Bathgate Thistle 2nd Round Scottish Cup 11/10/47 Hono urs
Fife & Lothians Cup:
Winners – 1936
Fife County League:
Champions – 1930/31, 1934/35
Runners up – 1931/32, 1933/34, 1935/36 Fife Junior Cup
Winners -1932, 1934, 1937 Runners up – 1931, 1947 Cowdenbeath Cup – Winners -1941
Runners up – 1933, 1935, 1948 Sinagora Cup:
Winners – 1933
Dunfermline Cup
Winners – 1931, 1940, 1941 Runners up – 1932, 1937





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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot  
Date:   Sat 27 Jul 12:54

My wee girls middle name is bluebell due to her being born in bluebell gardens which is right behind the ground. She wasn't willing to wait for us to get to the maternity unit so she decided to just come out in our living room 😀😍👍🐒
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: 68guns  
Date:   Sat 27 Jul 13:09

catriona shearer the newsreader has two girls both with middle name bluebell that were named after the team that her husband enjoyed a lot of his career with.
Davie Balfour is the husband.

(url)https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity/catriona-shearer-reveals-how-love-12406193(url)

bollocks still can't do link



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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sat 27 Jul 13:22

Change your brackets to the square ones... eg [ url]
And insert / before url at the end.
No spaces



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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Sat 27 Jul 15:57

Maybe Lochgelly Albert hold the record for a game in their own stadium but I remember being in a crowd I believe was 40,000 plus for a Junior cup final involving Cambuslang Rangers at Hampden. I believe cup finals with Rob Roy, Kilsyth Rangers and Pollok also attracted very large crowds.

77,650 was the record, the teams being Petershill and Irvine Meadow in the late 1940's.



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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 27 Jul 16:14

Junior ground record.

Was there not more at EEP for the Kelty final?
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Sat 27 Jul 16:27

More than 77 thousand? 🤔
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: 68guns  
Date:   Sat 27 Jul 17:46

Lochgelly Albert record is only a Fife Junior cup record.
A lot of Junior teams have had more at their own grounds.
Bo'ness have a record Scottish cup home attendance of 18,500 from 1949 and there are many more bigger than that I believe.
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Sat 27 Jul 19:32

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68guns, Sat 27 Jul 17:46

Lochgelly Albert record is only a Fife Junior cup record.
A lot of Junior teams have had more at their own grounds.
Bo'ness have a record Scottish cup home attendance of 18,500 from 1949 and there are many more bigger than that I believe.


So how can Bo'ness have the record if you believe there are many more bigger than that?
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: partime  
Date:   Sat 27 Jul 20:57

The great Liverpool manager, Bill Shankly, played for the Glenbuck Cherrypickers
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Sun 28 Jul 00:58

The great Martin Hardy was last seen with the equally great Yoker Athletic a year or two back and the very great Kenny Dalglish turned out for Cumbernauld United as a 16 year old.
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Sat 10 Aug 10:44

Our game against Dundonald has been rearranged for next Tuesday.

Also they are playing Auchinleck Talbot in the First Preliminary Round of the Scottish Cup KO Today at 3pm match is on after a pitch inspection this morng. A match worth going to for those not going to Dumfries.



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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: Blackandwhiteblood  
Date:   Sat 10 Aug 11:18

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Par, Sat 10 Aug 10:44

Our game against Dundonald has been rearranged for next Tuesday.

Also they are playing Auchinleck Talbot in the First Preliminary Round of the Scottish Cup KO Today at 3pm match is on after a pitch inspection this morng. A match worth going to for those not going to Dumfries.


The game against the Bluebell has been postponed according to COWS.
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 10 Aug 13:50

A bereavement on Dundonald Bluebell committee I believe.
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: DJAS  
Date:   Sat 10 Aug 13:53

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LochgellyAlbert, Sat 10 Aug 13:50

A bereavement on Dundonald Bluebell committee I believe.


Yes there was. Gent of a guy.





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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 10 Aug 13:59

Game still on today according to Twitter feed.
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: DJAS  
Date:   Sat 10 Aug 14:09

Passed inspection at 10am





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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: Blackandwhiteblood  
Date:   Sat 10 Aug 17:03

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DJAS, Sat 10 Aug 13:53

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LochgellyAlbert, Sat 10 Aug 13:50

A bereavement on Dundonald Bluebell committee I believe.


Yes there was. Gent of a guy.


Who was the guy who passed away.
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 10 Aug 17:22

Vice Chairman, Wullie Webster. RIP.
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 Re: Dundonald Bluebell Question
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Sat 10 Aug 17:30

2-2 v auchileck

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