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 VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: Parahandy  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:14

It's football Jim but not as we know it
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:25

And as it always does it gets every decision correct.

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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:36

Lost a good few minutes of football in that half again
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:36

I'm pro VAR and it was the right decision but I find it hard to argue that its use there wasn't shambolic.

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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:41

Just need to speed it up a bit. Will be greatly improved for next season.

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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:47

Where was Sterling's red card earlier in the game?
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:48

There was never a red in there.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:52

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10875311/sterling-dele-alli-var-tottenham-man-city/

Looked a bad one to me
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: Parahandy  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:55

Var didn't get it right again - two minutes of football that the fans have paid good money for were basically deleted from the game. That isn't right and that is the VAR system in action
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:56

I agreed with the guys in the studio in that it was close to a red but he'd stayed on his feet and kept the tackle low and it was the follow through that caught him.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:57

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Parahandy, Sun 2 Feb 17:55

Var didn't get it right again - two minutes of football that the fans have paid good money for were basically deleted from the game. That isn't right and that is the VAR system in action


That's how it's being used that's wrong though. The decision to award the penalty was correct.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: Parahandy  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 18:07

How it is being used = VAR system. The decision to award the penalty took too long and really isn't acceptable. The referee would be as well phoning a friend or tossing a coin.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 18:08

I've not been listening to the TV commentary.Just watched the Sterling one again and IMO he takes a bad touch,frustration gets the better of him and he lunges in late with a straight leg and studs showing-cowards tackle.He could have made the tackle in another manner.Seen far softer reds given recently-no consistency.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: Pars Kebab  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 18:17

It should have been retaking . Keeper about 12 yards of his line . The games jumped down there
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 18:20

I'm happy whenever City players get sent off but I feel it would have been harsh on sterling if had been sent off for that. That said it wouldn't have been a surprise as it was about as close to being a red as you can get.

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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: Pars Kebab  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 18:23

TOWK did you know the pars won yesterday ?
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 18:25

I actually thought the one by Winks when he went right through the back of Walker was a much worse tackle than Sterling's. No chance of winning the ball and went through the body where there is no protection.

Agree that you'll probably see sendings off for less but then we should be arguing they're not sending offs either.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 18:26

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Parahandy, Sun 2 Feb 18:07

How it is being used = VAR system. The decision to award the penalty took too long and really isn't acceptable. The referee would be as well phoning a friend or tossing a coin.


How the ref managed to get that wrong in the first place is exactly the reason we need VAR. Absolute donkey.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: Parahandy  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 18:32

Again the goalie is off his line and the penalty awarded by VAR is saved despite the self same video system being able to see keeper has moved. So VAR clearly isn't about getting decisions right but about getting arbitrary decisions right - same as match officials have done for years. But hey it's all TV entertainment
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 18:35

No idea why they aren't using it for penalties to be honest. Seems an obvious application especially as the officials made yet another mistake.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: donj  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 19:02

Why does a guy in a room elsewhere control the game when they have a screen pitchside.Inform the ref his decision could be wrong,he has a quick look at screen and decides.No micrometers and he runs the game as he should.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 20:28

"It should have been retaking . Keeper about 12 yards of his line ."

Advance to 2:03, looks good save.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqMVGzUa8kI

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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 20:40

Sterlings tackle was a career ending tackle it was 2 reds
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 22:30

Unbelievable. Still folk saying VAR got it wrong.
VAR doesnt make decisions ffs.
It just presents evidence. Officials still get it right or wrong.

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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: Parahandy  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 23:03

I don't know why folks can't grasp this it is the VAR that is making decisions - VAR is a match official, a referee in the Video Operations Room not the video system that is being used!
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: donj  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 23:31

And I still say the ref in charge should look at the monitor and control the game rather than some faceless ref elsewhere.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Mon 3 Feb 00:41

VAR explained:

https://youtu.be/sAXZbZXCr9g

In the VAR room there's a Video assistant ref (VAR) and he/she also has one or more assistants. Besides there's a team of folk looking for incidents on multi screens in real time.

It's not arbitrary, they're all doing their best (probably) to help the on-field ref to apply the laws of the game.

And somebody said it holds up the game taking time that fans have paid for to watch fitba'. It doesn't - the time it takes to reach a decision is included in time added on at the end of each half.

The VAR doesn't decide to act or not act regarding an incident, the ref on the pitch does.



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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Mon 3 Feb 05:48

Quote:

onandupthepars, Mon 3 Feb 00:41

VAR explained:

https://youtu.be/sAXZbZXCr9g

In the VAR room there's a Video assistant ref (VAR) and he/she also has one or more assistants. Besides there's a team of folk looking for incidents on multi screens in real time.

It's not arbitrary, they're all doing their best (probably) to help the on-field ref to apply the laws of the game.

And somebody said it holds up the game taking time that fans have paid for to watch fitba'. It doesn't - the time it takes to reach a decision is included in time added on at the end of each half.

The VAR doesn't decide to act or not act regarding an incident, the ref on the pitch does.


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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Mon 3 Feb 09:23

"And somebody said it holds up the game taking time that fans have paid for to watch fitba'. It doesn't - the time it takes to reach a decision is included in time added on at the end of each half."

It should be, but it absolutely definitely isn't being added on. I have no idea why not.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Mon 3 Feb 10:18

The ref on the pitch is supposed to keep tabs on time to be added on, then informs the fourth official how much to put on the display board. The ref can add more time 'on the fly' if there's stoppages in stoppage time.

Should be easy if the ref stops his watch just like the clock stops in rugby.



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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Mon 3 Feb 11:03

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onandupthepars, Mon 3 Feb 10:18

The ref on the pitch is supposed to keep tabs on time to be added on, then informs the fourth official how much to put on the display board. The ref can add more time 'on the fly' if there's stoppages in stoppage time.

Should be easy if the ref stops his watch just like the clock stops in rugby.


It's time to take the keeping of time off the referee. There should be a clock in the stadium which is stopped for any injuries or var decisions. There would be no need for any arbitrary added time.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: Parahandy  
Date:   Mon 3 Feb 16:11

It's a red herring about ref supposed to add time on. On Sunday the game carried on for 2 minutes or so before a penalty was given. Play wasn't stopped. However, I presume that if Spurs or even City had scored in those 2 minutes VAR would cancel that goal and take us back to the penalty as if those 2 minutes had never existed. In essence those two minutes have been deleted from the game and were not added in as 'stoppage time'
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Mon 3 Feb 16:39

What is it that is so difficult for people to understand in that VAR is a literal too to be used by referees. Any failures and issues are down to their implementation of VAR and it not being used correctly. Look at Rugby and American football (Minus all the silly breaks). Any video assistance is reviewed and dealt with in seconds to a minute and both those sports often involve inch precision with bodies piled up on one another. Football has no excuse
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 3 Feb 17:35

Aren't there natural breaks in both of those sports that allow decisions to be reviewed more effectively though?

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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 3 Feb 20:16

Football has always had a culture of telling the fans as little as possible about refereeing decisions and they're finding the transition to transparency difficult.
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