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 VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: Parahandy  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:14

It's football Jim but not as we know it
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:25

And as it always does it gets every decision correct.

Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:36

Lost a good few minutes of football in that half again
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:36

I'm pro VAR and it was the right decision but I find it hard to argue that its use there wasn't shambolic.

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:41

Just need to speed it up a bit. Will be greatly improved for next season.

Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:47

Where was Sterling's red card earlier in the game?
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:48

There was never a red in there.
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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:52

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10875311/sterling-dele-alli-var-tottenham-man-city/

Looked a bad one to me
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: Parahandy  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:55

Var didn't get it right again - two minutes of football that the fans have paid good money for were basically deleted from the game. That isn't right and that is the VAR system in action
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:56

I agreed with the guys in the studio in that it was close to a red but he'd stayed on his feet and kept the tackle low and it was the follow through that caught him.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 17:57

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Parahandy, Sun 2 Feb 17:55

Var didn't get it right again - two minutes of football that the fans have paid good money for were basically deleted from the game. That isn't right and that is the VAR system in action


That's how it's being used that's wrong though. The decision to award the penalty was correct.
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Topic Originator: Parahandy  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 18:07

How it is being used = VAR system. The decision to award the penalty took too long and really isn't acceptable. The referee would be as well phoning a friend or tossing a coin.
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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 18:08

I've not been listening to the TV commentary.Just watched the Sterling one again and IMO he takes a bad touch,frustration gets the better of him and he lunges in late with a straight leg and studs showing-cowards tackle.He could have made the tackle in another manner.Seen far softer reds given recently-no consistency.
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Topic Originator: Pars Kebab  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 18:17

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 18:20

I'm happy whenever City players get sent off but I feel it would have been harsh on sterling if had been sent off for that. That said it wouldn't have been a surprise as it was about as close to being a red as you can get.

Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd
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Topic Originator: Pars Kebab  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 18:23

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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 18:25

I actually thought the one by Winks when he went right through the back of Walker was a much worse tackle than Sterling's. No chance of winning the ball and went through the body where there is no protection.

Agree that you'll probably see sendings off for less but then we should be arguing they're not sending offs either.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 18:26

Quote:

Parahandy, Sun 2 Feb 18:07

How it is being used = VAR system. The decision to award the penalty took too long and really isn't acceptable. The referee would be as well phoning a friend or tossing a coin.


How the ref managed to get that wrong in the first place is exactly the reason we need VAR. Absolute donkey.
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Topic Originator: Parahandy  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 18:32

Again the goalie is off his line and the penalty awarded by VAR is saved despite the self same video system being able to see keeper has moved. So VAR clearly isn't about getting decisions right but about getting arbitrary decisions right - same as match officials have done for years. But hey it's all TV entertainment
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 18:35

No idea why they aren't using it for penalties to be honest. Seems an obvious application especially as the officials made yet another mistake.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: donj  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 19:02

Why does a guy in a room elsewhere control the game when they have a screen pitchside.Inform the ref his decision could be wrong,he has a quick look at screen and decides.No micrometers and he runs the game as he should.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 20:28

"It should have been retaking . Keeper about 12 yards of his line ."

Advance to 2:03, looks good save.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqMVGzUa8kI

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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 20:40

Sterlings tackle was a career ending tackle it was 2 reds
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 22:30

Unbelievable. Still folk saying VAR got it wrong.
VAR doesnt make decisions ffs.
It just presents evidence. Officials still get it right or wrong.

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Topic Originator: Parahandy  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 23:03

I don't know why folks can't grasp this it is the VAR that is making decisions - VAR is a match official, a referee in the Video Operations Room not the video system that is being used!
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: donj  
Date:   Sun 2 Feb 23:31

And I still say the ref in charge should look at the monitor and control the game rather than some faceless ref elsewhere.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Mon 3 Feb 00:41

VAR explained:

https://youtu.be/sAXZbZXCr9g

In the VAR room there's a Video assistant ref (VAR) and he/she also has one or more assistants. Besides there's a team of folk looking for incidents on multi screens in real time.

It's not arbitrary, they're all doing their best (probably) to help the on-field ref to apply the laws of the game.

And somebody said it holds up the game taking time that fans have paid for to watch fitba'. It doesn't - the time it takes to reach a decision is included in time added on at the end of each half.

The VAR doesn't decide to act or not act regarding an incident, the ref on the pitch does.



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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Mon 3 Feb 05:48

Quote:

onandupthepars, Mon 3 Feb 00:41

VAR explained:

https://youtu.be/sAXZbZXCr9g

In the VAR room there's a Video assistant ref (VAR) and he/she also has one or more assistants. Besides there's a team of folk looking for incidents on multi screens in real time.

It's not arbitrary, they're all doing their best (probably) to help the on-field ref to apply the laws of the game.

And somebody said it holds up the game taking time that fans have paid for to watch fitba'. It doesn't - the time it takes to reach a decision is included in time added on at the end of each half.

The VAR doesn't decide to act or not act regarding an incident, the ref on the pitch does.


See, I telt ye. I think🥴

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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Mon 3 Feb 09:23

"And somebody said it holds up the game taking time that fans have paid for to watch fitba'. It doesn't - the time it takes to reach a decision is included in time added on at the end of each half."

It should be, but it absolutely definitely isn't being added on. I have no idea why not.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Mon 3 Feb 10:18

The ref on the pitch is supposed to keep tabs on time to be added on, then informs the fourth official how much to put on the display board. The ref can add more time 'on the fly' if there's stoppages in stoppage time.

Should be easy if the ref stops his watch just like the clock stops in rugby.



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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Mon 3 Feb 11:03

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onandupthepars, Mon 3 Feb 10:18

The ref on the pitch is supposed to keep tabs on time to be added on, then informs the fourth official how much to put on the display board. The ref can add more time 'on the fly' if there's stoppages in stoppage time.

Should be easy if the ref stops his watch just like the clock stops in rugby.


It's time to take the keeping of time off the referee. There should be a clock in the stadium which is stopped for any injuries or var decisions. There would be no need for any arbitrary added time.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: Parahandy  
Date:   Mon 3 Feb 16:11

It's a red herring about ref supposed to add time on. On Sunday the game carried on for 2 minutes or so before a penalty was given. Play wasn't stopped. However, I presume that if Spurs or even City had scored in those 2 minutes VAR would cancel that goal and take us back to the penalty as if those 2 minutes had never existed. In essence those two minutes have been deleted from the game and were not added in as 'stoppage time'
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Mon 3 Feb 16:39

What is it that is so difficult for people to understand in that VAR is a literal too to be used by referees. Any failures and issues are down to their implementation of VAR and it not being used correctly. Look at Rugby and American football (Minus all the silly breaks). Any video assistance is reviewed and dealt with in seconds to a minute and both those sports often involve inch precision with bodies piled up on one another. Football has no excuse
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 3 Feb 17:35

Aren't there natural breaks in both of those sports that allow decisions to be reviewed more effectively though?

Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 3 Feb 20:16

Football has always had a culture of telling the fans as little as possible about refereeing decisions and they're finding the transition to transparency difficult.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: donj  
Date:   Mon 17 Feb 21:38

VAR strikes again tonight.
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Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Mon 17 Feb 21:44

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Topic Originator: Pars Kebab  
Date:   Mon 17 Feb 21:50

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Topic Originator: 1985Par  
Date:   Mon 17 Feb 22:00

Yes, 2 correct decisions, but the collective groans tell you something's not right. VAR has changed offside. Why? The rule states that if a player is "level" then he is onside. VAR means that a player will never be level again. Technology will be able to show that a striker is a foot/shoulder/cm/mm/micron or a few atoms in front of the striker and in an "offside position". The upshot is that fans can no longer cheer a goal without the prospect of it being checked to see if an attacker has strayed a baw hair in front of a defender and lots of goals are being chalked off as a result.

The rule should be changed, in my opinion, so that, in order to be offside, ALL the attacker's body must be in an offside position( with daylight in between), not just his eyelash.

This would result in more goals and more entertainment.
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Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Mon 17 Feb 22:04

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Topic Originator: donj  
Date:   Mon 17 Feb 22:07

I doubt having his foot in front of the defender actually gained him a great advantage.Offside was brought in to stop a player standing on the line and nodding in a high ball but has turned into some sort of science.At least when it was up to the ref as it is in our games a stupid inch offside doesn't come into it.
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Topic Originator: ft media  
Date:   Mon 17 Feb 22:37

Topic Originator: renegade master like | nolike
Date: Mon 17 Feb 21:44

2 correct decisions!

Sorry, do you think the Zouma goal was the correct decision?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 18 Feb 00:01

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ft media, Mon 17 Feb 22:37

Topic Originator: renegade master like | nolike
Date: Mon 17 Feb 21:44

2 correct decisions!

Sorry, do you think the Zouma goal was the correct decision?


Two handed push in the back by Azpilecueta. So a foul.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 18 Feb 00:51

Maguire should have been off, but wait a minute, he is an England international. It rubbed salt into the wound when he scored.

Something else you will never see -Harry Kane being sent off for diving.




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Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Tue 18 Feb 07:11

Maguire was very lucky but when you see the bench reaction and Batshuayi too it looks like they were happy enough with Maguire's explanation after originally going mental. Willian looked to have dived and he didn't complain at the decision either so that was probably correct too. The Zouma goal was bizarre - you'd think that there would be an "offset" like they do in American football where the push by Fred would cancel out the push by Azpilecueta but without hearing the conversation (a if not the major flaw of VAR) we won't ever find out. Giroud was technically correct but the sooner they bring in the 5cm margin of error they've been talking about the better. It totally goes against the spirit of the original law and has been implemented poorly. For all the LiVARpool stuff though, the team who has benefitted most from goals being awarded to them, chalked off from their opponents and so on... is VARchester United.
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Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Tue 18 Feb 07:14

“For all the LiVARpool stuff though, the team who has benefitted most from goals being awarded to them, chalked off from their opponents and so on... is VARchester United.”

That’s pretty mean spirited Kelty. They need all the help they can get at the moment :-).
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Topic Originator: ft media  
Date:   Tue 18 Feb 08:25

Da no 1.

So Fred didn't push the chelsea player?

Put it in a car crash situation..
Three cars driving along coming to a stop.
Back car hits the one in front w
Which hits the one in front of it....
I presume in your eyes the guy in the middle will be paying the insurance for the front car damage and his own?
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Tue 18 Feb 09:24

If the forward is well endowed and has an erection, is he offside?🤔😆😆😆
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Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Tue 18 Feb 09:32

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Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Tue 18 Feb 09:34

Quote:

LochgellyAlbert, Tue 18 Feb 09:24

If the forward is well endowed and has an erection, is he offside?🤔😆😆😆


Yes because you can score with it............
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Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Tue 18 Feb 09:53

No way was the Zouma decision correct - that's a howler. McGuire you could argue is 50:50 (hard to prove intent) although given Son was sent off for a lesser kick out, in the name of consistency it should have been a red too.

The Giroud one is a bit bizarre - it's definitely close and it looks like they may well have hit 'pause' one or two frames too late (you can't see the ball in the camera angle in which they are drawing the lines).

The 'method' they use is scientifically invalid - in that they measure the lines with millimetre precision, but are nowhere near as precise with the frame they select to measure the lines on. Assuming 24 frames per second, and players moving at 3 m/s (which is pretty 'slow'), then players can easily move 15-20cm between frames. This isn't taken into account in the decision making, which actually opens up an opportunity for bias - for tight calls the VAR official can, in effect, make their own decision, by selecting the frame they want, and whichever way they decide, it won't be wrong.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Tue 18 Feb 15:31

Ref: elvis_lives
Tue 18 Feb 09:34

<<<Quote:

LochgellyAlbert, Tue 18 Feb 09:24

If the forward is well endowed and has an erection, is he offside?🤔😆😆😆


Yes because you can score with it............ >>>

He can do some fantastic play and shoot with it.



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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Tue 18 Feb 15:54

Might be hitting a purple patch!🤗
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Tue 18 Feb 22:02

Two balls, should score! 😆
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 19 Feb 07:18

A bit off topic, but no more than the posts above this one - who were the Man U fans (allegedly) targeting?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51555031



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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: donj  
Date:   Sat 22 Feb 19:48

And yet again.Leicester denied two penalties but the first chance to give Man City one it's given.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 22 Feb 19:51

And how di Lo Celso manage to avoid a red card after a nasty stamp on Azpilicueta in the Chelsea v Spurs lunchtime game?



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Topic Originator: Thai/Coalville Par  
Date:   Sat 22 Feb 20:32

Certainly two penalties for Leicester City which should have included one sending off of Man City player. VAR should be allowed once each half when asked for by team captain.
VAR could be so good, but is being wasted and misused.

Peter L
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sat 22 Feb 20:37

The KDB one was a stone wall penalty as he put his hands up to protect his face. You just have to take the hit in that scenario. For the other one Ederson won the ball and then they collided. Not a penalty for me.

In fairness to the VAR system it got the City penalty right.
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Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sat 22 Feb 20:52

Not sure about the laws tbh but did it make a difference that the ball hit kdb’s teammate in the back before it hit him on the hand/arm?
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Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sat 22 Feb 22:50

I’m watching the highlights. I played in goals when I was younger and after seeing Edersons challenge on Iheanacho I can safely say it’s a straight yellow every day of the week ;-)
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Sun 23 Feb 00:01

You'd have to be a bit daft to still support VAR after today. The Bournemouth goal that was disallowed when it hit Billings on the shoulder, the penalty that was given to Burnley when it was inconclusive (a decision that also meant Bournemouth had another goal disallowed), not giving Leicester a penalty when it hit KDB's arm, not sending off lo Celso (then admitting that they got it wrong 20 minutes later)... four totally baffling and incorrect calls in one day. And that's without an armpit offside this week!
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Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sun 23 Feb 01:41

To be fair, VAR gets it right more often than not. It just goes to prove that even with a second opinion not everybody agrees. Moaning about the ref on the park has changed to moaning about a ref in an office. That’s really all that’s changed.
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Topic Originator: AJ27  
Date:   Sun 23 Feb 07:35

The biggest difference is our expectations - we’ve always moaned about referee’s decisions but in the cold light of day learned to accept them and move on. With VAR we expect the decisions to be correct - some will always still be debatable but too many are simply baffling. It also feels to me that there are far too many hairline offside decisions- this is not what it was introduced for but in hindsight is probably an inevitable unintended consequence.

Us oldies probably take longer to adapt to change but for me this is a step too far - with all it’s faults I prefer the status quo.
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Topic Originator: gegganpar  
Date:   Sun 23 Feb 09:45

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1985Par, Mon 17 Feb 22:00

Yes, 2 correct decisions, but the collective groans tell you something's not right. VAR has changed offside. Why? The rule states that if a player is "level" then he is onside. VAR means that a player will never be level again. Technology will be able to show that a striker is a foot/shoulder/cm/mm/micron or a few atoms in front of the striker and in an "offside position". The upshot is that fans can no longer cheer a goal without the prospect of it being checked to see if an attacker has strayed a baw hair in front of a defender and lots of goals are being chalked off as a result.

The rule should be changed, in my opinion, so that, in order to be offside, ALL the attacker's body must be in an offside position( with daylight in between), not just his eyelash.

This would result in more goals and more entertainment.


Great post, spot on.

J angus blacklaws
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 23 Feb 10:05

I was initially all for that idea of changing the rule in favour of what you suggested but I think that would have a fundamental impact on the way defenders defend. An attacker could run past a defender, a defender thinks that's fine he's offside but upon replay the attacker has a stud on his left boot that is level with the defenders knee.
I'd rather they just done away these lines. If by looking at the replay with the naked eye it looks level then then go with that.

Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 23 Feb 10:33

Are other countries which have introduced VAR experienced similar problems or have they maybe been less strict in their interpretations? I don't understand why the refs in England seldom consult the monitor themselves.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 23 Feb 10:33

Create a tennis Hawkeye stylee 3d model that's exact and available in seconds. Job done.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 23 Feb 10:38

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wee eck, Sun 23 Feb 10:33

Are other countries which have introduced VAR experienced similar problems or have they maybe been less strict in their interpretations? I don't understand why the refs in England seldom consult the monitor themselves.


Some countries did and some didn't. The refs in England were initially told not to consult the monitors but appear to have started doing it now. The ways it's been used in England has been criticised by the governing body.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10643511/var-premier-league-mike-riley-criticised-guidelines-ignored/
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 23 Feb 11:14

Yes; the 'clear and obvious' criterion seems to have been ignored in the EPL.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 23 Feb 12:03

There's no doubt there's a few things wrong with the way it's been implemented.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: 1985Par  
Date:   Sun 23 Feb 13:06

I don't have a problem with a ref getting a second look at an incident. I have a problem when the graphic designers come in with their lines to establish a players elbow is in an offside position. I have a problem with penalties being given when the ball is smashed against a players hand from close range when he has his back turned.

Ditching VAR won't lessen controversy. A million or so armchair fans will still have multi-angle, high def, slow motion replays and pundit analysis of every decision so will be able to complain, perhaps with justification, that the ref got it wrong.

I always thought it was bizarre that the armchair fans got instant, multi angle, slow mo replays yet the man tasked with making the decision has to rely on a single split second look.

I feel that the rules need to adapt to VAR. 99% of " handballs" are purely accidental and shouldn't be penalised. Offside needs to change to favour the attacker.
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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: Socks  
Date:   Sun 23 Feb 13:50

Why change offside to favour the attacker? If you're going to change it, why not change it to favour the defender? Whatever the ruling, there will always be marginal decisions, and decisions which, although correct, don't feel right.

I remember reading an article about the 1925 change to the offside law. Up to 1925 offside was judged by the line of the third-last defender, and was changed at that time to what we have now, i.e. offside taken from the line of the second-last defender. The intention of this was to produce more goals, but the unforseen consequence was that teams didn't commit to attack as much because the new law meant they were more likely to caught on the break.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 23 Feb 14:14

Topic Originator: Socks like | nolike
Date: Sun 23 Feb 13:50

Why change offside to favour the attacker? If you're going to change it, why not change it to favour the defender? Whatever the ruling, there will always be marginal decisions, and decisions which, although correct, don't feel right.

I remember reading an article about the 1925 change to the offside law. Up to 1925 offside was judged by the line of the third-last defender, and was changed at that time to what we have now, i.e. offside taken from the line of the second-last defender. The intention of this was to produce more goals, but the unforseen consequence was that teams didn't commit to attack as much because the new law meant they were more likely to caught on the break.

That's correct, Socks. It's amazing how often a change or modification of to a law has had the opposite effect to the desired one. e.g. goalkeepers can take a goal kick from either side of their area, irrespective of which side the ball went out of play (to save time.) Result - goalies whose teams are winning, often walk to the far side of their area, to waste a bit more time.



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 Re: VAR AGAIN
Topic Originator: Parsweep  
Date:   Sun 23 Feb 14:33

Absolutely detest VAR . I might have found it at least palatable if it was being used for what i thought was to be used for . Was it not meant to be for if a referee had made a clear and obvious error . There's not a week go's by that VAR isn't being discussed for all the wrong reasons . One of the most popular chants you hear these days is " it's not football anymore" .
Yesterday showed it up for the garbage it is .

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Topic Originator: AJ27  
Date:   Sun 23 Feb 15:48

Changing the offside rule so that there is daylight between the attacker and defender will not lessen the controversy in any way whatsoever - the exact same aRguments about an armpit or a little toe playing them off will still apply.
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