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 Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Pars Athletic  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 18:43

For the next 2 seasons and fined £25 million for serious breach of FFP
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 18:54

That’s Pep away in the summer. Next stop Juventus ?




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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 18:59

Surely PSG will be next up. Not that it matters, pressure will be getting applied to cas judges as we speak to overturn this decision.

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 19:08

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The One Who Knocks, Fri 14 Feb 18:59

Surely PSG will be next up. Not that it matters, pressure will be getting applied to cas judges as we speak to overturn this decision.


Yes, it's a long way from being done and dusted yet. City have put out a very bullish statement, suggesting they're confident they can win the inevitable appeal.

At the very least, I'd expect to see the ban reduced to one season and a corresponding reduction in the fine. That way everybody will come out feeling they achieved something. Didn't Chelsea have their transfer ban halved on appeal?



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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Pars Athletic  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 19:09

They will appeal the decision.
What is the criteria for FFP? is it just to do with transfer fees or do wages come into it to? I was hearing on the radio that Aaron Ramsey is on 400k a week at Juventus they would have some wage bill as would the likes of PSG
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 19:09

If they lose the appeal or are still found guilty should they be stripped of titles won while they were financially doping?
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 19:10

Apparently falsifying figures for 4 years ..... maybe an appeal could increase the fine
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 19:17

“City have put out a very bullish statement,”

Yeah, reminds me of similar statements from The Rangers when they were caught cheating.
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: DRreturns  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 19:53

Been inflating their income figures (sponsor ship deals) in order to spend more.

Wages are partly included but I’m sure it depends whether the player was a free transfer. Ramsey was a free agent so £400k a week over 4 years would be around the same as shelling out £80m to buy him. The fact that his £20m a year salary would be calculated each year rather than a fee that could be included in one financial year.

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Pars Kebab  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 19:59

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 20:03

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Pars Kebab, Fri 14 Feb 19:59

That’s some ban. How many years did Liverpool get for their fans murdering people at Heysel?


Think all English teams got a five year ban for that.

Awight Pat!
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 20:04

This is akin to the feds getting Al Capone on tax evasion. As part of the state apparatus of the UAE they are guilty, indirectly granted, of far worse than a bit of financial massaging.

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Pars Kebab  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 20:08

Who will play against Real Madrid now ?
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 20:20

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Pars Kebab, Fri 14 Feb 19:59

That’s some ban. How many years did Liverpool get for their fans murdering people at Heysel?


Worth a red card at least.

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 20:21

Does this put Sheffield Utd in a Champions League spot as it stands?
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Pars Kebab  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 20:30

How’s it a red card ? It’s a fact .
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 20:40

Well you shouldn't be red carded for that it's not actually a fact. While the actions of the Liverpool hooligans certainly greatly contributed to the disaster for it to have been murder there would need to be intent.

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 21:30

Involuntary Manslaughter?
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 21:59

Didn’t one of the Juventus fans have a firearm at Heysel ?
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 22:03

Can the same be done to Dundee United
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 14 Feb 22:55

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disaster

Details of the disaster for those not familiar.

I never knew that a number of Liverpool fans were actually convicted of manslaughter in Belgium in the years following the tragedy.


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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Pars Kebab  
Date:   Sat 15 Feb 00:10

I have to say that the Liverpool of 2020 are in no way connected to those horrible events . We’ve all come along way since then . I find it funny that Man Utd are now doing a copy of Liverpool in the 90s.
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Sat 15 Feb 00:43

Kebab, I'm just in from a great night, not the best time to post but ......

TOWK .. wow simply wow

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 15 Feb 07:36

What do you mean? I'm not the one that's said anything controversial on this thread. 🤔

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: ParsFrontMan  
Date:   Sat 15 Feb 09:22

Couldn't happen to a more deserving team ;)
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 15 Feb 09:52

Seemingly a points deduction from the FA is coming as well!🤔
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 15 Feb 09:58

How convenient. The FA will want to appear to be taking a similar tough line with Man City by deducting them points when in effect the points deduction won't mean anything if City are banned from Europe.

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Ben,D.A  
Date:   Sat 15 Feb 10:59

Also can Maybe stripped of any honors they won during this period.

only 11 make the team,the rest can just but dream.
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 15 Feb 10:59

Cheated their way to the titles then.

These penalties are welcome and hope the FA adopt similar rulings, how good would it be if they followed suit with Saracens and relegated them.
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Sat 15 Feb 11:01

Are they still allowed to compete in this seasons CL?

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Ben,D.A  
Date:   Sat 15 Feb 11:06

Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe like | nolike
Date: Sat 15 Feb 11:01

Are they still allowed to compete in this seasons CL?


I would imagine it'll be a status quo till the appeal is heard, so they can still play in this seasons CL.

only 11 make the team,the rest can just but dream.
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 15 Feb 11:08

Yes aaps.
I very much expect these punishments to be greatly reduced on appeal. Money talks and the UAE dictatorship has a lot of it to spread around.

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sat 15 Feb 11:53

Quote:

LochgellyAlbert, Sat 15 Feb 09:52

Seemingly a points deduction from the FA is coming as well!🤔


Can the FA deduct them points from the EPL? I’m not sure if they can tbh. The league can deduct them points and the FA can strip them of FA cup wins. At least that’s how it was up here when Rangers were in similar trouble.
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 15 Feb 12:31

All their top players will become targets for clubs in the summer.
Imagine De Bruyne at Liverpool and Laporte partnering Van Dyke?




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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: ParsFrontMan  
Date:   Sun 16 Feb 08:30

FA can deduct points or relegate then if they are so inclined. Probably won't but be bloody funny of they did.
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Pars Kebab  
Date:   Sun 16 Feb 09:43

I think this could be the start of the erse falling out that league . There will be a few owners of clubs absolutely bricking it now, although chances are they are white , so probably not .
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 16 Feb 09:51

Nah most of the other clubs haven't been cheating so I reckon they'll be fine.

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 16 Feb 10:05

While I don't condone cheating of any kind, it's pretty obvious the bitter Man U fans are out in force on this thread. 😉

''Nah most of the other clubs haven't been cheating so I reckon they'll be fine.''

How do you know who's been cheating and who hasn't, TOWK?

Of course the first thing clubs with big money do is look at the financial rules and then get legal experts to work out how they can get round them. It makes no odds to me but I'll be very surprised if the ban can survive intact once the appeal is heard.



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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 16 Feb 10:23

Because no other clubs have been charged GG. Its the only evidence we can go on surely. We can't assume they are all guilty just because City are. Personally I have never been bothered by the amount of money City have spent but I have been bothered about the fact that City's owners are despotic authoritarian regime responsible for some horrendous human rights abuses. I know I'm in the minority on that one though because they have a team that plays attractive football.

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Pars Kebab  
Date:   Sun 16 Feb 10:58

What an absolute turnip .
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 16 Feb 11:32

No need for that Sergio.

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Sun 16 Feb 12:09

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The One Who Knocks, Sat 15 Feb 07:36

What do you mean? I'm not the one that's said anything controversial on this thread. 🤔


I know that TOWK, I meant Wow as I never knew anyone had been charged with manslaughter, I'd been out on the p*** , I could have worded it better

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 16 Feb 12:15

Ah right. No probs. 👍

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sun 16 Feb 12:34

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GG Riva, Sun 16 Feb 10:05

While I don't condone cheating of any kind, it's pretty obvious the bitter Man U fans are out in force on this thread. 😉

''Nah most of the other clubs haven't been cheating so I reckon they'll be fine.''

How do you know who's been cheating and who hasn't, TOWK?

Of course the first thing clubs with big money do is look at the financial rules and then get legal experts to work out how they can get round them. It makes no odds to me but I'll be very surprised if the ban can survive intact once the appeal is heard.


They may well get the ban reduced but where do they go from here? I read their wage bill is the 3rd highest in the world and if you take away the overinflated sponsorship deal from their owner they’re the 8th richest. They are still not in accordance with the rules. I also read that during his reign they have never bled a youngster into the side. I don’t see how this is sustainable for them tbh.
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Pars Kebab  
Date:   Sun 16 Feb 12:49

What about Foden or Gracia? Let’s be completely honest . If that’s white money no one is saying sh*t.
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 16 Feb 13:03

''What an absolute turnip.''

I hope that remark wasn't aimed at me, neeps.....



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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 17 Feb 12:07

Guardiola has supposedly told friends that he intends to stick around despite City potentially being banned from European competition. This is surely the biggest indication that the decision will be overturned and that Pep has been given the inside line.

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Mon 17 Feb 12:32

Or could it be that he's earning a mint and he knows what side his bread's buttered on? 🤣



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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 17 Feb 12:45

The biggest indication that City think this will be over turned is that haven't agreed to any type of settlement with UEFA despite UEFA trying to talk them into one.

For the first breach of the rules they didn't agree with UEFA changing the goal posts in the calculations on what was allowable in relation to earned revenue that could be used to calculate the break even amounts but ultimately accepted a reduced settlement with UEFA to draw a line under it.

With the FIFA case around recruiting minors (the same issue Chelsea had their transfer ban for but had significantly more violations than City did) City self disclosed their violation and cooperated with the investigation fully admitting their error.

City also accepted a ban on signing academy players around the same time as Liverpool in 2017 and paid a fine and admitted their wrong doing again.

This time round they've always maintained their innocence. Although CAS couldn't admit City's appeal against the UEFA investigation as it was still ongoing and they ruled the appeal was inadmissible, they did voice concerns at the time about the process conducted by UEFA.
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Mon 17 Feb 13:26

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The One Who Knocks, Sun 16 Feb 10:23

Because no other clubs have been charged GG. Its the only evidence we can go on surely. We can't assume they are all guilty just because City are. Personally I have never been bothered by the amount of money City have spent but I have been bothered about the fact that City's owners are despotic authoritarian regime responsible for some horrendous human rights abuses. I know I'm in the minority on that one though because they have a team that plays attractive football.


Wait...they're Tories?

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 17 Feb 15:43

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51528427

A nice piece of journalism from the BBC with some damning words agaiant City. The leaked email from City stating they'll 'spend 30m on the best 50 lawyers and sue them for the next 10 years' is an ominous threat. UEFA are going to risk it. Technicalities will be found and this will all be made to go away.

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Mon 17 Feb 15:46

If City win the case then FFP is screwed




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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Pars Kebab  
Date:   Mon 17 Feb 17:16

FFP was brought in to keep a closed shop for the big clubs. The idea that certain clubs can run at £500m debt and that’s okay because you are Man Utd, Barcelona or Real Madrid but a chairman can’t put money in to a club is totally daft.
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 17 Feb 17:39

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Mon 17 Feb 15:43

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51528427

A nice piece of journalism from the BBC with some damning words agaiant City. The leaked email from City stating they'll 'spend 30m on the best 50 lawyers and sue them for the next 10 years' is an ominous threat. UEFA are going to risk it. Technicalities will be found and this will all be made to go away.


That is actually a reasonable article and there isnt too much damning in there although theres a significant amount of speculation on the tactics City will adopt in their forth coming legal battles. The daming bits relate to the result of the judgement which are true and will linger even if City are found to be innocent on appeal.

The quote from the lawyer relates to the last case which is when UEFA changed the interpretation of the FPP rules which left City non compliant.

It's being cited as it shows City will fight anything they think is unfair and why shouldn't they fight something if they don't believe it's fair? You'd be a loony to believe you were innocent of something and then shrug your shoulders and accept a guilty verdict without a fight.

UEFA aren't exaclty some bastian of virtue. It's also worth noting that UEFA relaxed the rules that City broke (after UEFA changed the goal posts) and here is a surprisingly good article in the Dail Mail (Samuel is a decent journalist but no idea why he is writing for then) regarding FPP as it was and still is to an extent.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3088434/I-told-Michel-Platini-destroying-football-finally-seen-it.html

"When Platini introduced FFP, he cited the wishes of the club bosses as high onhis list of considerations. ‘It is mainly the owners who asked us to do something,’ he said before the Champions League draw in 2009. ‘Abramovich, Berlusconi and Massimo Moratti at Inter. They do not want to fork out any more.’"

FPP was never about stopping clubs going bust (if anyone can show me the bit about limiting how much debt a club can have I'll sell everything I own and donate the proceeds to the lifeline fund) it was always about stopping clubs that could attract investment and maintain the status quo.
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 17 Feb 17:40

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Pars Kebab, Mon 17 Feb 17:16

FFP was brought in to keep a closed shop for the big clubs. The idea that certain clubs can run at £500m debt and that’s okay because you are Man Utd, Barcelona or Real Madrid but a chairman can’t put money in to a club is totally daft.


Agreed - I was mid post when you put that up but even Platini admitted it as per the article I've posted
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Mon 17 Feb 18:27

The onewhoknocks, I completely agree.

Man c bankrolled by a despot, psg (a made up team) by a COUNTRY with rancid human rights, takes a lot to wash all this blood......

Makes me laugh when Guardiola talks about Basque independence- fine, don't take this money then.

Champions League, I have no idea what it is I'm supposed to be watching here.
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 17 Feb 19:03

So much seethe and so many resulting errors.
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Mon 17 Feb 19:42

Interesting comments on FFP from Neville and Carragher on sky sports just now.
How would a City ever hope to catch Utd without serious investment?

If a rich Pars supporter wanted to invest in the club, would he/she be turned away?




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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Tue 18 Feb 07:15

City could have caught Man Utd quite easily with the massive TV deal, stadium with top hospitality suites, investment in the right way and good appointments. Tottenham did it, hell Sheffield United and Wolves are doing it right now.
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Citizen Par  
Date:   Tue 18 Feb 08:43

They have done nothing and are doing nothing. Only when they actually consistently win trophies can we say they have done it and they won't. Massive investment was the only way to go but those clubs who have hogged the top table for years don't want that. Funnily enough all those clubs are the ones who still have massive debt on their balance sheets but hey why bother with that when it comes to FFP?!
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 18 Feb 09:49

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kelty_par, Tue 18 Feb 07:15

City could have caught Man Utd quite easily with the massive TV deal, stadium with top hospitality suites, investment in the right way and good appointments. Tottenham did it, hell Sheffield United and Wolves are doing it right now.


I'm not trying to wind up the United fans on here but that's down to United not really managing things properly at any level. None of the clubs you've mentioned have actually won anything. If United get their act together, with the resources they have, they should always be challenging for things. Apparently they are at risk this year of being knocked off the top spot in terms of revenue generation in England by Liverpool and possibly City due to their lack of CL appearances.
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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 20 Feb 06:38

Well it looks as though those tipping Pep to be making a sharp exit in the summer got it rather wrong.

Of course, there could be a change of heart between now and then, but maybe he's confident that City can overturn the decision or he's been reassured their appeal will be successful?



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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 20 Feb 11:53

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51566859

A fancinating reaction from Man City fans.

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Thu 20 Feb 12:34

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Thu 20 Feb 11:53

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51566859

A fancinating reaction from Man City fans.


What kind of reaction were you expecting ?




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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 20 Feb 12:59

It's the adulation of the Sheikh I was, perhaps naively, surprised by. I've been over my objections a number of times now on this and other threads so I'm not planning on commenting anymore but that reaction really is the whole point of 'sportswashing'.

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 Re: Man City banned from Europe...
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Thu 20 Feb 13:24

I think it shows that the majority of fans just want to watch their club being successful? How that comes to be doesn't keep the majority awake at night




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