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 Justin Fashanu
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Wed 19 Feb 18:18

He was Britain's first £1m black footballer and won the BBC's Goal of the Season award for his memorable volley against Liverpool in February 1980.

He was also the first male English professional to come out as gay while still playing, back in 1990. He took his own life in 1998.

No top-level player has come out during their career since.

On Wednesday - what would have been Fashanu's 59th birthday - the former Norwich and Nottingham Forest striker was inducted into the National Football Museum's Hall of Fame

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 Re: Justin Fashanu
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Wed 19 Feb 18:20

https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/1230176466568085505?s=09

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 Re: Justin Fashanu
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 19 Feb 18:42

I hadn't realised he was the first £1 million black player. I vaguely remember thinking he looked talented in the bits I saw in TV when he was playing at Hearts but dont remember him playing for Airdrie.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Wed 19 Feb 18:49

A scorer of great goals ,rather than a great goal scorer,

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 Re: Justin Fashanu
Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Wed 19 Feb 19:36

That goal he got for Norwich was essentially what got him his move to Notts Forest. In Brian Clough's book he is fairly scathing about him and calls him his worst ever signing. Can't imagine working under someone like Clough would have been easy for him.

Awight Pat!

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Topic Originator: Pars Kebab  
Date:   Wed 19 Feb 20:38

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 Re: Justin Fashanu
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Wed 19 Feb 21:18

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Frank Butchers LoveHandles, Wed 19 Feb 19:36

That goal he got for Norwich was essentially what got him his move to Notts Forest. In Brian Clough's book he is fairly scathing about him and calls him his worst ever signing. Can't imagine working under someone like Clough would have been easy for him.


I have read a few book on Clough, and from what I read, once he discovered he had been visiting gay clubs his days were numbered. He froze him out of the first team and made him train on his own before shipping him out.
In his autobiography, Clough recounts a dressing down he gave Fashanu after hearing rumours that he was going to gay bars. "'Where do you go if you want a loaf of bread?' I asked him. 'A baker's, I suppose.' 'Where do you go if you want a leg of lamb?' 'A butcher's.' 'So why do you keep going to that bloody pXXXs' club?

I seem to remember him getting some pretty bad racial and homophobic abuse when Airdrie played us
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Topic Originator: Pars Kebab  
Date:   Wed 19 Feb 21:45

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 Re: Justin Fashanu
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Wed 19 Feb 21:53

‘’No top-level player has come out during their career since.’’
You are assuming that there are top level players who are secretly Gay. Who are they? Zidane? Roanldo? Messsi? Mpabbe? Haaland? I doubt it very much. The proportion of Gay people is around 5% of the population so would be no higher in football terms. Have any of the Pars 1968 Cup winning team come out of the closet since? Not so far as I know and probably for a very good reason: none of them were Gay.

Fashanu was similar to Heskey who came after him- a big, strong striker with good pace but no vision, no awareness of what was around him. English football was full of centres like these before Fashanu: Astle, Hateley, Radford, Mariner were all good players, but touch and go for international level. The fact that Fashanu was black and Gay is not why he did not make it to the top level. He was good, but not good enough for international or European football.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Wed 19 Feb 22:18

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sammer, Wed 19 Feb 21:53

‘’No top-level player has come out during their career since.’’
You are assuming that there are top level players who are secretly Gay. Who are they? Zidane? Roanldo? Messsi? Mpabbe? Haaland? I doubt it very much. The proportion of Gay people is around 5% of the population so would be no higher in football terms. Have any of the Pars 1968 Cup winning team come out of the closet since? Not so far as I know and probably for a very good reason: none of them were Gay.

Fashanu was similar to Heskey who came after him- a big, strong striker with good pace but no vision, no awareness of what was around him. English football was full of centres like these before Fashanu: Astle, Hateley, Radford, Mariner were all good players, but touch and go for international level. The fact that Fashanu was black and Gay is not why he did not make it to the top level. He was good, but not good enough for international or European football.


Sammer mate, you're easily one of the best posters on here. You've had a mare here though.
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 Re: Justin Fashanu
Topic Originator: Pars Kebab  
Date:   Wed 19 Feb 22:27

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 Re: Justin Fashanu
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Wed 19 Feb 22:37

It’s my honest view of Fashanu as a player, although I only saw him on TV. He was Charlie Dickson level: very effective, could upset any defence on his day with his pace or heading ability, but not an international level player. From me, as a boy who idolised Charlie Dickson, that is quite a compliment.

The fact Justin Fashanu was Gay (although his brother John denies this) cannot affect my view of him as a footballer. I am averse to what is called ‘identity’ politics and have no wish to know about the private lives of politicians, entertainers, poets, footballers or the like. When politicians like Blair claim they are Newcastle United fans or some footballer claims to be a socialist it leaves me cold. They are trying to use their influence in the area of their expertise into shaping my opinion into another sphere. It’s manipulation. I can only judge Fashanu as a footballer.
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 Re: Justin Fashanu
Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Thu 20 Feb 00:01

Clough seems like an absolute pr*k of the highest order. I'd say thank god we've moved on but Britain most certainly hasn't sadly
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 Re: Justin Fashanu
Topic Originator: rossmcno1  
Date:   Thu 20 Feb 09:00

I wish more were like you sammer in not caring about someone’s sexuality and are able to judge footballers for their ability alone. Reality is there hasn’t been a gay player come out whilst they were actively playing because there is a fear over the abuse they would get. There have been a few players come out after their career (and of a decent standard, Thomas Hitzlsperger for example).

I would like to think that in due course we would be able to have openly gay players and no one bat an eyelid. However the reason there is such interest in having a player come out is because....it’s never happened. We just don’t know how the reception would be. Imagine a Pars player came out - I do wonder how that would go down with sections of our (and everyone’s) support.

It shouldn’t matter, but let’s all get real. Right now it does because it’s a barrier. Racism has been fought by BME people being rightly proud and obviously open. Maybe time for the LGBT community to do the same in football.



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 Re: Justin Fashanu
Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Thu 20 Feb 09:37

Gay footballers have very little to gain by coming out, so I don't think we will see many more coming out in the next few years. Ex-players is another matter. I think it is likely that we will see more and more coming out soon. Hopefully there will be a few high profile players among them.
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 Re: Justin Fashanu
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Thu 20 Feb 13:36

I actually think that the first big name to come out will make an absolute fortune in sponsorships and endorsements. It will be difficult for them though, in the crowds and in the dressing rooms
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 Re: Justin Fashanu
Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Thu 20 Feb 22:14

I think the initial reaction will be huge but positive, then will go to zero quickly, rugby league, Aussie rules, most sports really there are precedents.

The 'fact' that there are supposedly no players (out of 10000?) That are anything other than straight is now embarrassing- no big deal, but even the statement 'none of them were gay' is a wee bit daft.
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 Re: Justin Fashanu
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 20 Feb 22:37

I'd say it's likely there are gay footballers and also likely their team mates know. Most likely a case that it's not their business who is or isn't having sex with whoever.

I do wonder where we're headed in terms of gender in sport and wider culture.
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