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 Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 13:35

Copenhagen goal scorer has been charged with assault on a police officer.
Michael Santos ran to his own supporters to celebrate Copenhagens second goal ,one of the Glesga police tried to stop him and got knocked over.
Santos and one of the backroom staff have been charged in connection with the incident.

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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 13:36

Was the policeman a Celtic supporter?
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 13:38

Tbf, he absolutely body charged that officer. No need for that sort of thing
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 13:44

At first I thought this was ridiculous but upon seeing the, albeit limited, footage the player does appear to cross the line.

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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 13:55

I remember asking a policeman at EEP at a Celtic game, why were our fans getting told to sit down and Celtic fans not. His responce in Irish accent was vile and full of swear words, basically telling me to sit down and to be quiet. Perhaps he was the policeman that was involved with the Copenhagen player.

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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 14:32

Typical decision at Cellic park ,the home guy goes down to easily,and now they want the authorities to take action.
It's a conspiracy against Cellic goal chalked of for the goalkeeper barging into Julien then ,Santos goal scorer not being arrested at the time ,and being allowed to finish the game .

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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 14:34

Aye eastendalloapar, you can hardly get a Scottish policeman in Scotland these days. The last two I had occasion to speak to, (purely lawful on my part I assure you),one was Polish and the other from Basingstoke. You would hardly think we would have Polish Polis. But Irish Celtic supporting Polis is another matter because there's more chance of the Pars playing Celtic than Wisla Krakow.



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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 14:50

Interesting.

I had assumed you had to be a British citizen to join the police, not so.

https://www.prospects.ac.uk/jobs-and-work-experience/job-sectors/law-enforcement-and-security/joining-the-police

I wonder if Brexit changes this recruiting scenario ?
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 15:14

I guess it's not the Leith police dismisseth us but more a case of the Polish polis pummeleth us or in the case of Parkhead the Irish police arresteth us.
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 15:23

I suspect the Copenhagen player thought he was just pushing a lowly steward over.

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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 15:37

It's not a problem many Scottish teams wil come across at Celtic anyway.
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 15:54

I had assumed you had to be a British citizen to join the police, not so.

https://www.prospects.ac.uk/jobs-and-work-experience/job-sectors/law-enforcement-and-security/joining-the-police

I wonder if Brexit changes this recruiting scenario ?



I think it's bound to. The stuff about EU/EEA/Switzerland will fall away, but I expect the foreign nationals with indefinite leave to be in the UK will still be eligible.

Interestingly, the Police Scotland eligibility rules allow Commonwealth citizens to apply, whereas the general UK rules quoted in VEE's post do not. I can't explain that!
https://www.scotland.police.uk/recruitment/police-officer-recruitment/eligibility-and-what-it-takes

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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 16:08

I haven't seen the footage yet.
Did the policeman really grab the scorers arm as he was celebrating or has then been mis-reported?
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 16:20

"I guess it's not the Leith police dismisseth us but more a case of the Polish polis pummeleth us or in the case of Parkhead the Irish police arresteth us."

Was the cop at Parkhead an Irishman ?

I didn't clock that bit.

I'd be very surprised if there are no UEFA guidelines in respect of unauthorised leaving the field of play scenarios.



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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: parak obama  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 16:24

https://mobile.twitter.com/stramashing/status/1233154044627165186

[IMG]https://share2.co.uk/f/1152_471_P300411_16.49_[02].jpg[/IMG]
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 16:45

Now that I have seen this, I think it will all die down quite quickly.
I can't see the full picture, but I can't think of any good reason why a policeman would need to chase a goalscorer unless there was an imminent risk for the player or the supporters. Charges will no doubt be dropped and the police will get a telling off from their superiors for their actions.
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 16:55

aaaaaaaaaargh wrote:

> Now that I have seen this, I think it will all die down quite
> quickly.
> I can't see the full picture, but I can't think of any good
> reason why a policeman would need to chase a goalscorer unless
> there was an imminent risk for the player or the supporters.
> Charges will no doubt be dropped and the police will get a
> telling off from their superiors for their actions.

Thats not the best footage, its the player behind that comes in and pushes the cop to the floor



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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 17:01

https://twitter.com/NaeBull/status/1233310928877342722
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 17:10

Unlikely the police officer was an Irishman Veteran, just a naughty suggestion earlier in the thread. But when you see the replay from the side angle it does seem that the Copenhagen player gave the policemen a substantial shove and sent him to the deck. Its the kind of thing some refs let players off with and suggest the player took a dive but I think charges should be levelled here and action taken by EUEFA.
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 17:21

That's a better angle.
It makes a bit more sense from that side.
It looks like the timing was a bit unfortunate. I guess they were shifting the stewards and police as they often do for the last few minutes of a game and they were caught off guard by the goal.

I'm still not convinced that grabbing the player was a good idea but I have no idea what they are told to do in training.
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 17:40

"Charges will no doubt be dropped and the police will get a
> telling off from their superiors for their actions."

Sounds dubious - charges would not have been made if higher ranks had not authorised taking matters further.

Though I doubt this'll be made into a drama.
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 18:17

Having seen this video, why were the players not allowed to celebrate with their fans. It looks like obstruction by the police and stewards, disgusting behavior by these people. I've been to Copenhagen on several occasions, I know that it is a far safer city than Glasgow, indeed the most worrying thing about Copenhagen is the abundance of cyclists.

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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: dd23  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 18:36

I think the player was bang out of order shoving him as hard as he did. Hope it gets taken all the way
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 18:58

The Glesgae Polis are scum, about time someone gave them a taste of their own medicine
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 19:42

Not in my experience redstar.
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Fri 28 Feb 20:51

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Paralex, Fri 28 Feb 19:42

Not in my experience redstar.


You can't have been to Glasgow much then, and certainly not as an away fan at Parkhead or Ibrox
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 01:33

In most circumstances, I am a supporter of the police, but here it is totally the police fault. They should allow the players to celebrate a goal in front of their own fans. It is the whole point of football.
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 05:52

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OzPar, Sat 29 Feb 01:33

In most circumstances, I am a supporter of the police, but here it is totally the police fault. They should allow the players to celebrate a goal in front of their own fans. It is the whole point of football.


Might be wrong but pretty sure that’s a police inspector that’s been shoved to the ground silver band around the scoop on the hat?

Come on ye pars ⚽️
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Stoo  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 06:49

Maybe they SHOULD let the players celebrate with the fans but if the decision was made that players were to be prevented from getting too close to the spectators then that was the decision.

Everyone, everywhere knows you cant go steaming into a polis (or indeed anyone) and violently knock them to the ground. However, I think in the circumstances that the player would welcome the chance to apologise with rapped knuckles and the officer should be encouraged to accept and have it left at that. No need for charges.



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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 08:06

I never have any complaints about Glasgow's Finest.

Other than the fact they are selectively deaf...........
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 09:00

Police hide rich paedophiles....
Cry at a getting pushed over....
Scum.

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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Parplod  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 09:58

So the polis was a Cliff Richard fan, eh Rasta? Your usual quality input. I can assure you the polis have a similarly high regard for you. There are some who remember your occasional appearance at the Scottish Police College.
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 10:45

I've lived in Glasgow since I was 9 years old red star and been an away fan at Parkhead, Ibrox, Firhill and Hampden many times and never had any reason to fall out with the Glasgow Polis. I've seen policemen being severely injured at football matches but never witnessed a policemen overreacting. I was very glad of the police in my youth because Glasgow was full of gangs often fighting each other in the parks and the police had to deal with that.
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Ben,D.A  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 10:50

It might be time for rules to be changed so anyone leaving the field of play to celebrate a goal will be yellow carded.

only 11 make the team,the rest can just but dream.
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: AJ27  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 11:16

Great idea - let’s see how much more fun we can take out of the game. There is a huge difference between players celebrating with their own fans and those goading the opposition. I’ve never understood why players get away with kicking lumps out of each other but are immediately booked if they take their shirt off.

The player was a bit over the top but why on earth were there so many policemen in front of the Copenhagen fans?
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 11:33

To be fair in the ninth century the Danes were would often come across and cause all sorts of bother.

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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 11:38

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The player was a bit over the top but why on earth were there so many policemen in front of the Copenhagen fans?


Because at every level of football the average away fan, who has spent a lot of money and time following the club, is the more committed, the more raucous and unfortunately the more likely to enter the field of play. Police put resources where they believe (from previous experience) they will be most needed.

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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Parplod  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 11:54

Can’t speak for the current set up but in the past, in Glasgow, clubs were briefed to tell their players that the grass side of the advertising hoardings (or Toblerones as they were nicknamed) was for them and they should not go over them. As a football fan I completely get the argument about it being alright to celebrate in front of your own fans, or players being allowed to hand a piece of kit to a fan at the end of the game (remember Andy Rhodes wanting to throw his gloves to the fans after the League Cup Final?). However these things can easily lead to fans rushing forward and causing a crush.
All UEFA games, regardless of the teams participating, are classed as Cat A risk factor, which means a higher level of stewards and police. In my time extra resources were deployed to certain areas in the 44th and 88th minute.
Yes it can appear to spoil celebrations but there are reasons. Booking players for taking off their shirt is another matter.
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 12:23

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OzPar, Sat 29 Feb 01:33

In most circumstances, I am a supporter of the police, but here it is totally the police fault. They should allow the players to celebrate a goal in front of their own fans. It is the whole point of football.


Hey OzPar

I travelled from Nimbin to Warwick last week on the B91 mountain pass and came across a barn with grafitti all over it, "Pars" and in black and white paint.

Your house? Or handywork?

DunfyDave
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 12:56

Haha! Afraid not. I believe Nimbin is a favourite hangout for greenies and old hippies. So maybe there’s an old Pars recluse from the 1960s living there without electricity, happily smoking his joints and dreaming of the days when kaftans were cool and we were a force in Europe. It is a terrible shame you didn’t pop in to say hello...

:)
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 13:08

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OzPar, Sat 29 Feb 12:56

Haha! Afraid not. I believe Nimbin is a favourite hangout for greenies and old hippies. So maybe there’s an old Pars recluse from the 1960s living there without electricity, happily smoking his joints and dreaming of the days when kaftans were cool and we were a force in Europe. It is a terrible shame you didn’t pop in to say hello...

:)


Sounds like a classier suburb of Townhill OzPar.

Will look you up next time I'm over - Where in Oz are you?

DunfyDave
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 13:22

On the Mornington Peninsula south of Melbourne. Look forward to catching up.

:)
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 14:40

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Parplod, Sat 29 Feb 09:58

So the polis was a Cliff Richard fan, eh Rasta? Your usual quality input. I can assure you the polis have a similarly high regard for you. There are some who remember your occasional appearance at the Scottish Police College.


I was there what....twice in 30 years?
You're a slightly obsessed lot if you remember that.
How sad for you.

I Hope You're Ok Today....
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 15:23

You must have made an impression Rasta !!!

I’m curious to know why you were visiting the cop college ?

Lecture tour ?
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 16:23

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veteraneastender, Sat 29 Feb 15:23

You must have made an impression Rasta !!!

I’m curious to know why you were visiting the cop college ?

Lecture tour ?


Ask Parplod.....he seems to know more than I :)
My Dad worked there....and seriously...I was there twice 30 years.
For Parplod to insinuate there was anything of any substance is an outright lie.

I Hope You're Ok Today....
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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: parsfan  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 19:03

I thought folk just went there to pick mushies.

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 Re: Don't celebrate at Parkhead
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Sat 29 Feb 19:09

Relax Rasta, great day for the Pars. It's all good.
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