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 All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 11:40

All games cancelled with immediate effect
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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 11:42

The Rangers will be happiest of all to stop Celtic’s 9 in a row!!
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 11:42

Source?
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 11:42

The BBC and the SFA
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 11:42

100% correct decision. Least we should have our injured players back whenever it starts again...
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 11:45

That will have serious financial consequences for some clubs
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: DAFC23  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 11:46

Interestingly confirmed as suspended indefinately not until the end of april as in England.
100% the correct choice got to worry for some clubs future now though

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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 11:47

This is the real Armageddon for Scottish football. Huge problems for the vast majority of the clubs.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 11:51

It will have financial implications for sure. In business the monthly cycle is important. I always keep the phrase in mind “you are only one month away from a crisis”.
If we take the Corona implications, China was effectively shut down for 2 months, only returning to some normality this week outside of Hubei.
If this is the case then we are talking players contracts etc. Who would wish to play beyond their contract if you were to be signed by a larger club.
This is obviously worst case and I hope this is not what happens.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 11:58

Actually come to think of it, it will not be possible to finish the leagues without contract restructuring. Contracts typically up on 31st May. If we were to start on the first of May then all games plus playoffs is not possible.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 11:59

A disaster for most clubs in Scotland. Wages still have to be paid.As well as lost revenue on hospitality and the rest.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Vamos Pars  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 12:14

The club have just retweeted an SPFL statement which says games are taking place as planned this weekend. Serious conflict of information given what’s being reported elsewhere.
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Topic Originator: DBA  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 12:17

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Vamos Pars, Fri 13 Mar 12:14

The club have just retweeted an SPFL statement which says games are taking place as planned this weekend. Serious conflict of information given what’s being reported elsewhere.


No they haven't? Statement confirms all games off.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 12:17

Are you sure you read it correctly Vamos - it says " ...confirmed as postponed..."
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 12:21

Bill Leckie,usually with his finger on the pulse,argued much the same in "The Scottish Sun" Page 65 today.

We could not end the season now and let tables stand.

Celtic have got to earn the Premiership and Hearts have to have the chance to survive.

We couldn't say to Dundee Utd,Raith Rovers,Falkirk and Cove Rangers,you aren't going anywhere.

There has to be a cash handout to the clubs,then finish the season in May and June.

Clubs, whose income is a trickle in those months, will get normal Spring time income.

Of course we will have Kevin,Lee and Ryan back though that should not influence our views for a moment.....



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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Vamos Pars  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 12:22

Apologies for that mistake. The statement I looked at was last nights. Seems the virus situation must have escalated considerably overnight which I doubt.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 12:25

The SPFL will have to advance some end of season payments.

Neil Doncaster has made an appeal for Government aid.

The Chancellor talked of HMRC delaying the payment of VAT.



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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Ladswell_Thistle  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 12:27

Statement says this weekend and mid week games off. Nothing more than that at the moment??



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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 12:33

Games are off indefinitely , could be next week or could be 3 months no one knows
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 12:38

Perhaps what I said on another thread that rhere will be no relegation this season but the top 2 teams in each league promoted. Plus the top team in the two feeder leagues also getting promoted to League 2.

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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Ben,D.A  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 12:47

The Rangers Celtic game to go ahead. Money talks.

only 11 make the team,the rest can just but dream.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: RMGpar  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 12:50

Rangers and Celtic game is off too. They can not have one rule for 2 clubs and another for the rest of the leagues. More will be there than prob the rest of the games combined
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Ben,D.A  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 12:52

just been on BBC news that game is on as all security and arrangements were already made.

only 11 make the team,the rest can just but dream.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: 1985Par  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 12:53

Personally I'd aim to restart the season in mid/late May. That might give the virus a chance to do it's worst and the scenario might be different then. Condense remaining games into 6 week period. Warm weather may bring out the fans who want summer football. This would cover the financial loss from spring.

I think it's imperative that we try to finish the season somehow.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: yorkiepar  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 12:56

Um, conflicting reports then. Because on the BBC website it says the Old Firm derby is off!



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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 12:58

Correct decision imo.

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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Ben,D.A  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 12:58

I watched it on BBC news.

only 11 make the team,the rest can just but dream.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 13:00

Health overrides security arrangements. What an excuse that is.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: par_33  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 13:01

100% the correct decision..but huge financial burdons ahead for some clubs..

We shoulda took the 400k for Nisbet in January!!
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Vamos Pars  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 13:02

Celtic have confirmed that the match is off this weekend.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Ben,D.A  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 13:02

I apologies if I'm wrong but the reporter did say the game was on.

only 11 make the team,the rest can just but dream.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Athletico  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 13:02

ALL games are off. Celtic have confirmed the Old Firm is cancelled.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 13:04

No worries Ben, you reported what you have seen. The BBC editorial is shambolic.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 13:10

I am also watching BBC news, the reporter said that the games in Scotland were of from Monday, then it went to a different reporter who said all of our games are off now. She obviously was reading an out of date report. Probably she doesn't know anything about sport so didn't question the mistake.

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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 13:11

Could be the easiest solution is to play the games pre season but reduce next seasons fixture list after all titles, promotions etc are all settled.

If you only turn up to moan then do it elsewhere
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 13:12

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AdamAntsParsStripe, Fri 13 Mar 13:11

Could be the easiest solution is to play the games pre season but reduce next seasons fixture list after all titles, promotions etc are all settled.


What about players budgets for promotion / relegation?
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: DulochConvert  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 13:18

Anyone who thinks the games will be back on in a month are fooling themselves, we have had ZERO deaths in Scotland and everything is cancelled. Do you really think when people start dying they will restart it, the authority’s have painted themselves into a corner going against the experts advise!
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Socks  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 13:20

Fair enough really. I disagreed with yesterday's call to stop gatherings of 500 or more on grounds that they are a burden to emergency services, because that was illogical nonsense. Today's decision is reasonable and perfectly logical.

Not sure about the comments above on resuming in May or June though. From what I've read, the peak in cases seems to be expected in about 13 weeks, i.e. mid-June. Until it gets past the peak, I don't really see how a resumption could be justified, although the timing is obviously just a prediction and might well be out.

As far as football is concerned, the priority has to be to complete the current season, whenever that happens to be. Even if it's mid/late summer, we could just play 3 times a week and get it finished. Scrap the league cup and challenge cup for next season and if necessary, have a shortened league season also. Basically, do whatever is needed next year, but finish this one. It's just not reasonable to abandon a season 75% of the way through.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Roger Daltrey  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 13:26

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DulochConvert, Fri 13 Mar 13:18

Anyone who thinks the games will be back on in a month are fooling themselves, we have had ZERO deaths in Scotland and everything is cancelled. Do you really think when people start dying they will restart it, the authority’s have painted themselves into a corner going against the experts advise!


What experts? The Tory government?

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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: DulochConvert  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 13:32

What experts? The Tory government?

The Chief Medical Officer.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 13:35

If the season is suspended for, say, 3 months, how are the clubs going to keep the players match-fit for the resumption? Running the end of this season into the start of next season is also problematical re players' contracts. Will players still be released on 31 May and a new squad recruited? Do the clubs let the players go on holiday now (although there may nowhere to fly to!)?
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 13:52

The Health Experts agree that,based on the China experience ,we are 10 weeks away from the peak.

This seems a premature knee jerk Corporal Jones response.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 13:55

Isn't it part of the overall strategy to 'delay' the peak until the summer? If that works we won't be able to start the season early surely?
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 13:58

TBH, even as football fans we are going to have a lot more to worry us over the next few months than promotions and relegations. The incubation period for this disease means that the number of ACTUAL cases is much higher than the number of confirmed cases, so we are now about to start the exponential growth of confirmed cases (and deaths or serious lung damage.) This is going to get much worse before it gets better.

It's been clear for weeks now that this season was unlikely to be completed, but our administrators seem to have had their fingers in their ears (unless I am being unfair and they have been planning behind the scenes.)

There will be no early resumption of this season's matches, and it would be better now to admit this and to provisionally plan for "finishing" the season in late summer, as suggested above, abandoning meaningless competitions. Players etc should be allowed to stay at home but their personal contracts honoured - if dates for a restart are set, clubs can then decide on and plan for their financial survival and recruitment.

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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 14:27

I have just checked, it looks like we only have 3 home fixtures left. If the league was to give some of the money we get at the end of the season out it would go part of the way in helping clubs survive. That and money hopefully raised by our fans could save our club.

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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 14:37

Given warmer,sunnier weather,given the return of Kevin/Ryan/Lee and,consequently,a far greater likelihood of appearing in the Play Offs,our Gates may increase considerably in the long term.

They will be a lot more than the current average of 4201.
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Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 14:48

What's bothering me is,how the hell can we keep paying wages ,without incoming cash.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 14:58

The clubs are asking for their 31st May SPFL payment to be made now.

Neil Doncaster has approached the Government for aid.

The Chancellor suggested HMRC could delay the demand for VAT payments.

Fans could join the Centenary Club Lifeline.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 14:59

If you read my post, the league could help save our clubs. But will they have enough sense or intelligence to act.

matt forsyth
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 15:06

If the season is suspended too long we may never be able to play these games and any income from them will be lost forever. Paying 'merit money' early is just a short-term fix which will cause cash flow problems later. If too many games are played within a short time fans may not be able to afford to go to as many as normal. It looks like a real mess.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 15:44

Panic set in because of a few high profile cases down south. Still just 80 in Scotland and everyone is losing their minds. What will happen when 100,000 plus have it in a month, games won't be on anythime soon, euro 2020 cancelled I presume so leagues can be finished.
Games should have went ahead as normal this week. 70000 enjoying Cheltenham.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 15:52

And Wales v Scotland.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 15:54

Just 80 the now so it should still go ahead? This time last month Italy only had like 200 cases now it’s at 15,000 and rising! Anyone who thinks it should still be ahead clearly don’t understand the risks
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 16:51

The authorities are damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

Classic no win situation.

I mind the hugely disrupted season of the big freeze back in the early 60s, however the restart of fixtures was relatively predictable when winter passed - this is a very different scenario however.

I fear for the future of our clubs (plural) going forward.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 16:58

Wales v Scotland rugby game is off

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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 17:04

The Chinese were back to work in about 5 weeks. 2 weeks for the Chinese New Year and another 3 weeks after




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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 17:07

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Raymie the Legend, Fri 13 Mar 17:04

The Chinese were back to work in about 5 weeks. 2 weeks for the Chinese New Year and another 3 weeks after


Shenzhen area only went back this week and were not happy about it. Hubei is still locked down. 10% of our work force in China are still trapped there so not true unfortunately
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 17:33

The current season should be finished regardless of when that may be. The next season should be adjusted accordingly.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Mr Mac  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 17:35

Reports FA Chair Greg Clarke (sp) has told the Premier League that he doesn't think the current season will be resumed/finished....

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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: bigdonnie  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 17:40

not just scotland all europe seems to be cancelled

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Topic Originator: Roger Daltrey  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 18:08

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DulochConvert, Fri 13 Mar 13:32

What experts? The Tory government?

The Chief Medical Officer.


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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: PostmanPar  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 18:18

I see all 3 English national leagues are still going ahead?!
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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 18:37

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PostmanPar, Fri 13 Mar 18:18

I see all 3 English national leagues are still going ahead?!


Hope they sign a tv deal overnight then or my weekends sport viewing is gubbed


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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 18:55

So if they just called it now...
Celtic spl champs (miles ahead anyway)
Hearts auto relegated (tough with only 4 points and 8 games to go)
Dundee auto promotion (miles ahead anyway)
Not sure about Hamilton and any of the 6 or so teams that could meet them in the playoff.
Patrick down with Rovers auto come up (but only 1 ahead of Falkirk)
Not sure about Falkirk and Queens (ignoring airdrie scum and the rest for now)

Id be quite happy if they gave the titles to celtic, United and rovers and relegated hearts and Patrick to make way for them
Would rather hearts, rovers and Falkirk in the league with us but as meatloaf once said, 2 out of 3 aint bad

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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: arpar  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 19:01

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P, Fri 13 Mar 18:37

Quote:

PostmanPar, Fri 13 Mar 18:18

I see all 3 English national leagues are still going ahead?!


Hope they sign a tv deal overnight then or my weekends sport viewing is gubbed


Bt sport show it
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: sintv  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 19:22

It's on Quest HD
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 20:19

Wouldn’t have a problem with the season ending short if all clubs had happened to have played the same amount of games or that any game in hand couldn’t surpass the club ahead of them.

We’ve played 28 games, any team that’s bottom have had ample opportunity to get themselves out the position they’re in.

Unfair, probably, taking into account each teams fixtures etc but ultimately this is an exceptional scenario and as a fan I’d rather this season was thrown to one side and we could look forward hopefully to a full upcoming one.

The prospect of paying for a ST next season on a reduced fixture list, it wouldn’t be for me.

That’s me not thinking about the wider ramifications of course.

Hopefully all works out and we get the full season in.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 20:55

"That’s me not thinking about the wider ramifications of course"

What about the teams in strong contention for a playoff spot if this season's remaining fixtures are abandoned ?

Falkirk, for example (no comments, they are only one point behind Raith) - should they not get a crack at the promotion ?

If the Pars were in such a position we'd be livid if missing out at the chance.



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Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 21:48

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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: ianbd6  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 21:53

It feels really odd looking at all the postponed fixtures.
I hope it is the correct solution. I will be going to a game tomorrow and the ironic thing is we will probably have a much larger gate than normal. Non league clubs are allowed to have offers at three matches a season and my club chose this fixture. Season ticket holders from any other club can get entry for a fiver. So with Leeds, Huddersfield and Bradford City now not playing the club will be hoping for a small windfall.
We normally only get about 300 so hopefully 5/600
Tomorrow. Still something just doesn't feel right. I suppose
If the players are OK with it and it isn't as if the crowd will be packed in. Anyway I hope the virus is not about too long. I wish everyone all the best.
Ian
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 22:17

In response to VEE:

We’ve had a lot of opportunities to get into these playoffs and blown most of them, even if we did get in, we wouldn’t be successful if we’re being truthful with ourselves.

Same should apply for promotion playoffs as does relegation.

Yeah it would suck for the teams that just miss out but you can’t account for these kind of situations happening and whoever impacted would essentially have to take it on the chin.

It’s not as if we’re only 5 games in, that would be different, we’re at 28 so if the season had to come to an abrupt end, wouldn’t have a problem letting the existing positioning stand.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 13 Mar 23:17

"It’s not as if we’re only 5 games in, that would be different, we’re at 28 so if the season had to come to an abrupt end, wouldn’t have a problem letting the existing positioning stand."

Despite the fact that teams in close proximity for promotion or relegation still have to play each other before the real season ends ?

For example Partick could move off the bottom on Saturday afternoon depending on tonight and tomorrow's results.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 00:57

Someone on here recently said they wished this season would end.

Well, it looks like their wish has come true...

:)
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 07:20

The EPL has already said that if the season is not completed it will be declared null and void. It could yet turn out to be a great season for many Man U fans.

Should the SPFL follow their example, they'll be dancing in the streets of Ibrokes... :-)



Not your average Sunday League player.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 07:52

English newspapers are reporting that the UK Government is to change the Law to get compensation to sports mainly because the Grand National,Test Matches and Wimbledon are in very real doubt now.

It is inconceivable that,with such a safety net,the Scottish Football Authorities will do anything other than restart the Scottish season, when safe to do.

It is the supreme irony that,in the long term,we may be one of the beneficiaries with a fully fit squad again.

Furthermore, with warmer sunnier weather, and enhanced expectations, there should be a sizeable increase in attendance.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 07:56

I don't know GG. As it stands Utd are probably in a champions league spot whereas if the season is null and void then Utd won't qualify for next seasons champions league. Of course Liverpool yet again failing to win the league would be the silver lining as would the fact that their record breaking unbeaten run being expunged from the record books. Of course some would say that Liverpool should still be considered the champions regardless but who is to say that they wouldn't have lost all of their remaining games 🤔
You'd also have to feel sorry for the players who had scored goals as they would also be voided.

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Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 08:16

Derek MacInnes on BBC "Sportsound" said, yesterday evening, that the Football Season will continue once the crisis is over.

There is one very simple reason why.

The Broadcasters would,otherwise,impose eye watering penalty clauses.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 08:40

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Derek MacInnes on BBC "Sportsound" said, yesterday evening, that the Football Season will continue once the crisis is over.

There is one very simple reason why.

The Broadcasters would,otherwise,impose eye watering penalty clauses.


Will that not depend on just how long the crisis lasts? At the moment, nobody really knows.



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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 08:41

Yes VEE even under those circumstances, if they’ve both played the same amount of games one has outperformed the other by securing more points, just luck of the draw if they have yet to play each other.

The Scottish season with that horrible split in the SPL meant teams played each other an odd amount of times, you could argue that’s flawed due to not playing equal times.

Like I say not ever going to be thought to be fair but if the season had to be cut short because of exceptional circumstances which this is then I don’t think teams should be penalised for making a stronger start to the season than others, the inability to complete a season is completely out with their control.

I’d rather that than a condensed fudged season next year, not something I’d exactly look forward to.

If the EPL season doesn’t finish and they don’t give Liverpool the title then it’s an absolute shambles, if they did award them that though then all other positions currently should stand.

Reality is throughout the season you are constantly striving to stay out of relegation places and going for promotion, right now if teams are still struggling to reach the position they want then that falls on them, they should never be banking on future games to help get them out of the situation they find themselves in.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 09:13

"Yes VEE even under those circumstances, if they’ve both played the same amount of games one has outperformed the other by securing more points, just luck of the draw if they have yet to play each other."

The amount of games for outperforming has to be the whole season surely ?

Not an arbitrarily determined final fixture date.

Not all teams in our division have played the same amount of games - Thistle could potentially move off the bottom in the current position if they fulfill another fixture.

What about head to head results - I haven't checked any, however there is a possibility that teams on the same games played and points have better stats than another side(s) in the same position ?

Neil Lennon is suggesting that placings should be determined on points average.

Of course it all becomes academic if the season is deemed null and void - then there's the Scottish Cup.....................



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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 09:33

Not playing the same amount of games I agree is where it’s unfair and mentioned that in one of my posts above.

Partick have been guff all season and they’d effectively be receiving a get out of jail card because of the virus, wouldn’t say that was particularly fair on the likes of Arbroath who have excelled this season from their perspective.
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Topic Originator: Pars Athletic  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 09:48

Suspend the euros until next year. Use the extra month to finish the season. There are leagues all over Europe that won't be able to finish their season. I get the feeling the SFA will hold back to see what the other leagues do and will follow suit.
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Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 09:55

How much of a squad will we have after contracts end on the 31st May? How many players will agree to a contract extension and how many will be off to other teams who are offering them more than a months extension? That’s assuming a month will do it. The football leagues have taken the decision themselves to close down earlier than the government planned. If the peak is as expected in June, how will the leagues start back up before then?
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 09:59

If Boris and his 2 scientific friends are correct, they expect us not to peak until end of May until middle of June. If this is correct it is going to be a disaster for our leagues never mind our holiday businesses.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 10:07

It's hard to see how the clubs are going to reach a consensus on this. Already Neil Lennon has said Celtic should be awarded the title and I think Scott Brown has said the same. Is this the official club line I wonder? It's understandable that self-interest takes over but who is going to take the ultimate decision?
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 10:20

"Partick have been guff all season and they’d effectively be receiving a get out of jail card because of the virus, wouldn’t say that was particularly fair on the likes of Arbroath who have excelled this season from their perspective."

There will be even less fairness if there's no automatic promotion/relegation if the leagues are terminated now - and I can't see that being accepted by Dundee United, Raith or Cove Rangers, with Falkirk an interested party

Likewise Queen of the South who are only two points ahead having played one more game.

Even in worst case scenario there should be an attempted to complete all fixtures even if that means behind closed doors, assuming that is possible at some point.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 10:25

Wee Eck - did Lennon not say that final placings should be based on points average.........points already gained divided by games played ?

That calculation, if implemented, would move St. Johnstone above Hibs, no other changes in placings in SPL.



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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 10:28

Yes, I think he did, vee, but he's still saying outstanding fixtures don't need to be played isn't he?
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 10:30

Not saying there shouldn’t be promotion or relegation, I’m for it.

Dundee Utd should go up, Hearts should go down and should apply to all leagues.

What happens for teams in the playoff positions currently is the tricky bit but just calling the season null and void, I’d be expecting my money back.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 10:34

Yes, Eck - he's based that on no more league fixtures.

Obviously Celtic don't want the final decision to prevent them being deemed champions which is reasonable given their points lead.

"What happens for teams in the playoff positions currently is the tricky bit but just calling the season null and void, I’d be expecting my money back."

Refund based on the number of home games remaining on your season ticket ?



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Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 10:35

Null and void may be the only option. The suggestion that the rest of this season is played along side the start of next season (in place of a cup comp) is even more ludicrous imo. Teams would have different personnel and what league would they start in? If the trophies are handed out as things stand then there would have to be asterisks next to the achievement.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 10:43

The remainder of the season would be completed BEFORE 2020/21 commences.

Final league placing involving promotion/relegation are more important than a cup competition which might only mean two games for many clubs.

Teams would start in the appropriate league based on final placings from 2019/20.

It does mean extraordinary tweaking of dates and terminating some cup competitions.
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Topic Originator: Socks  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 12:10

The season must be completed, or at least every fixture that needs to be played in order to determine league titles, promotion and relegation. Even if it's in December, that's still by far the best outcome.

Once it completes, it would be reasonable to have something like a 3 week break before starting the new season. Then just go straight into that and, if necessary, have a truncated season next year.

Suggestions of annulling the current season seem based on a premise that next season must start in July/August as normal. It doesn't have to. If it starts late, we can decide before the season starts how many games we play. We might agree to play each other 3 times or even just twice, depending how late it starts, and can agree not to play particular cup competitions. If it has to be the way that a season is reduced in length, it makes much more sense to restrict next season rather than this one, because then it means the exceptional rules for the affected season can be agreed in advance. That is definitely better than arbitrarily making a decision on something 75% completed.
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Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 13:26

A number of clubs,led by the Aberdeen Chairman Dave Cormack, are arguing the season continues but behind closed doors.

That ticks many boxes, provided regulations are changed such that we can watch on PPV on our IPads and computers, as our fans abroad do already.It would open up a new income stream too for the club.

Most Managers eg St Johnstone's Tommy Wright have reiterated that the season cannot be cancelled.

If that happened it would be devastating for eg Dundee Utd,Raith Rovers ,Falkirk and Cove Rangers.

Michael Stewart has outlined the complication of Players' contracts with most ending on 31st May

The Club Administrator,Bryan Jackson,has said this is a far bigger crisis than the mismanaged clubs faced, as he fears some could go under..
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Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 15:22

I doubt this season will be finished. I am fully expecting an announcement within the next week. I would expect the new season to start in September with this season decided on a prorata points basis



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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 16:42

Why not finish the season at two games per week when the green light is given? Extend players contracts as required.
Start the new season 4 weeks after the current season finishes. Play twice a week until backlog is cleared.




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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 19:41

I know TOWK is rubbing his hands that much that he has set his Daily Mail on fire
But what an absolute travesty of footballing history if Liverpool were not crowned Champions
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 20:15

I think Socks is right though. It's more logical to prioritise finishing the current season rather than insist upon the next one starting on the chosen date in August.

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Topic Originator: Ben,D.A  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 20:36

Its a lot easier to pretend this season never happened, than all the work involved with rearrange all remaining fixtures, contract problems, promotion, relegation ect. That is if all clubs survive the months ahead to compete.

only 11 make the team,the rest can just but dream.
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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 20:47

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DA-go Par Adonis, Sat 14 Mar 20:15

I think Socks is right though. It's more logical to prioritise finishing the current season rather than insist upon the next one starting on the chosen date in August.


I'd agree with that. Reduce the length of next season and start it later if necessary. That way everyone has an equal chance
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 21:42

You miss the point that some players may be absent due to the virus, imagine the uproar if Nisbet was not available due to the illness.

One player from one club contracting the virus will put a spanner in the works.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 22:20

"Suggestions of annulling the current season seem based on a premise that next season must start in July/August as normal. It doesn't have to."

Correct.
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Topic Originator: ParsAreTheLoveOfMyLife  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 23:18

Actually hoping we manage to delay it for a month or so, then kick back on during warmer months. See crowds increase, no games called off, and an opportunity to get televised games once other leagues have ended. could be a huge opportunity for those who advocate summer football.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 23:19

By listening to Boris's experts we seem to be handling this disease differently to other countries. They are in lockdown, and we have to was our hands. Why because we trying to stop the mass outbreak of illnesses til summer. Due to this tactic I doubt if we will have games until July or August.

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Topic Originator: DulochConvert  
Date:   Sat 14 Mar 23:50

The model we have been using is incorrect, a bet I am willing to make with anyone.
My sister & husband who designed what pathogens should be in this years flue jab and a friend a Glasgow Uni who has spent the last 3 years on Ebola research all agree that there modelling is running 2 or 3 weeks off. Every one has a PhD and has been discussing with there colleges, they are all concerned the government is dangerously out of date.
I posted on Thursday that I thought the SNP were being over zealous, I eat humble pie.
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Sun 15 Mar 00:35

From a Rovers pal :
“ At the Raith Rovers AGM we average 1500 for a home gate around 700 of which are season ticket holders, that leaves 800 paying appropriately £12 (average). So £9,600 plus hospitality means about £10k to £11k loss in revenue per game. Five home games left with one of them being a bumper crowd against East Fife. I reckon we are looking at a shortfall in revenue of around £60,000.”

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Topic Originator: parsloyal98  
Date:   Sun 15 Mar 01:54

This is Scottish football’s chance to undergo a restructure and change to Summer football.

Nobody ultimately knows when the current season will be finished but it’s likely to have a knock on effect on future seasons anyway so why not take the opportunity to move it to Summer from 2021?

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Topic Originator: ianbd6  
Date:   Sun 15 Mar 08:57

The 2022 world Cup is being played in the winter. The football authorities have a chance now to rearrange fixtures for the next couple of seasons. This enforced break should be used as a mid season break and when this virus has been beaten this season can be finished and then have the closed season over the autumn or winter. The players contracts is a massive issue and will have a big say on whether this season is finished or all results expunged. I think the only winners will be the lawyers.
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Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Sun 15 Mar 11:01

We all await the announcement from the UEFA Executive Committee due on Tuesday.

I have an open mind on summer football but for those who advocate it,you will never have a better opportunity.

The season could complete in June and July.

Close season in August and September.

Season 2020/21 running from October thru July.

It would also get round the strange idea being argued that the Scottish League Cup and Scottish FA Cup be abandoned next season.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sun 15 Mar 12:05

The Scottish Cup need not be abandoned, however the League Cup which is of lesser importance, can be dropped for one season only to accommodate an immediate resumption of leagues for 2020/21 without it.

Likewise the peripheral minor cup competitions can take a gap year.
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Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Sun 15 Mar 12:18

The "no relegation" proposal has the merit that the SPFL wouldn't face a legal challenge from a club that is relegated when they still have a reasonable chance to save themselves.

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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sun 15 Mar 14:20

Wouldn't a legal challenge be valid for clubs that are in the 3rd and 4th promotion playoff positions ?

It's moving the goalposts (no pun intended) with the league season not completed and denying them the chance to go up.
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Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Sun 15 Mar 15:34

It would be hugely more difficult for a club in a promotion play-off position to quantify its losses from this proposal.

If asked, I think a court would consider the proposal a proportionate response to an unprecedented situation, particularly if the SPFL clubs themselves had voted in favour of it.

Also, I don't have immediate access to the SPFL Rules, but I have a vague memory that there's something in them that precludes a member club taking legal action against the SPFL. Might be wrong on that.

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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sun 15 Mar 17:15

"It would be hugely more difficult for a club in a promotion play-off position to quantify its losses from this proposal."

That ignores the proposal that the club in second place, who are also in the play off positions, is to be given promotion without having won the right to go up.

No idea on the legal challenge position.
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Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Sun 15 Mar 23:06

Actually, nobody in any division has yet "won the right to go up".

No arrangement will satisfy everyone, there are always going to be anomalies. But the proposal to promote two teams at each level satisfies most issues.

If only one club were to be promoted from the Championship there would then be an odd number of teams in the Premiership. ICT are 4 points ahead of Dundee, so well worthy of promotion.

In League One it's much closer - to only promote Raith when Falkirk are one point behind and with a better GD (and Falkirk are due to host Raith in the final match) would IMO be unfair and unjustifiable.

In League Two, Cove and Edinburgh are well ahead of the others - either one club or two clubs to be promoted is justifiable.

For elevation to the SPFL, Brora are romping away with the Highland League, whereas Kelty are just a few points ahead of Bonnyrigg in the Lowland League. Promoting both is justifiable, although Bonnyrigg might feel hard done by - but AFAIK they wouldn't have a vote!



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Topic Originator: Socks  
Date:   Sun 15 Mar 23:57

So a single-point lead for Raith Rovers is not enough, but a 4-point lead for ICT makes them 'well worthy of promotion'? Obviously it's completely arbitrary, but what's the threshold? And why should only Falkirk and Raith Rovers be considered for promotion in their division? Airdrie are 4 points behind with all three having completed the third quarter and played one game of the last one. Airdrie's 'extra' game was against a strong East Fife side also in contention for promotion while the ohter two got wins against weaker sides at the bottom end of the leage, 20 points behind East Fife.

I think settling any promotion issues on an incomplete season is a total nonsense. I absolutely hate the thought of annulling the season, but even that is a more reasonable outcome than this.
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Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Mon 16 Mar 00:52

If it were possible to just have a break for 3-4 weeks and then resume normality, I would agree that is more desirable than making decisions on an abbreviated season - but it won't be possible, IMO.

I've been saying for weeks that this season was unlikely to finish, but football fans (and administrators) have consistently under-estimated the effect this epidemic is going to have on society, and I now believe it will be several months before professional football resumes. Oldies like me will still be locked away in quarantine, knowing that if we emerge we're likely to contract CV19, and people (including football fans and their family members) are likely to be dying or suffering serious lung damage in significant numbers until well into the summer at least.

Quite apart from the logistical problems that would face clubs in organising player contracts (club staff will be ill and off work, as could players or their agents), there could be constant match postponements because of CV19 affecting players etc. For many people football will seem very, very trivial and I really don't know what appetite there would be in those circumstances to watch it, although I know that would eventually return.

However flawed the proposal outlined, it has the merit of drawing a line and allowing clubs to plan for next season with a degree of certainty. All clubs are likely to be facing financial meltdown in the next few months, and (sadly for the players involved) if their contracts end on 31 May then I don't think many clubs will be able to pay them for longer without knowing what division they will be in.

I don't think annulling the season is viable for legal/commercial reasons - if the season and all the matches in it "didn't take place" then clubs would have to offer refunds to customers who paid to watch those matches, and the SPFL would have to return money to the broadcasters who paid to cover those matches. That money would then effectively be taken from the clubs by not being there to pay prize money etc.

But of course I could be totally wrong in any or all of my assumptions - I don't think anyone really knows how this is all going to pan out.



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Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Mon 16 Mar 12:17

We are likely to know much more tomorrow morning once UEFA make a press statement.

The Scottish Football Authorities regard it as inconceivable that this season be declared null and void because there would be horrendous Legal and Financial implications.

Look for the Season continuing in June and July though,perhaps,behind closed doors.

The other option being considered, in the corridors of power, is that each Division adds two promoted clubs eg the Scottish Championship gains Raith Rovers and Falkirk.

This would mitigate against relegation.

Finally why are the Scottish Football Authorities taking so long to announce they will emulate the SRU with their immediate £500k Hardship Fund in addition to bringing forward a similar sum for their end of season payment?
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Mon 16 Mar 12:24

Maybe they don't have that amount of cash to hand out ?

The SRU is a relatively well off body.
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Topic Originator: Socks  
Date:   Mon 16 Mar 12:39

I very much doubt there will be any football for several months, but I'm completely perplexed as to why we should even be considering not finishing the season at this point. Even if it's late in the year, it will take about a month to complete the remaining league fixtures and another 3 weeks for play-offs. That doesn't seem an unreasonable burden to me, in order to get to what is by far the best outcome possible from a difficult situation.

How can anyone plan for next season with any certainty anyway? Is the assumption that if we end the season now, everything will automatically be fine to start next season at the same time as usual? If so, I think that's a very big assumption and might well be overly optimistic. By the nature of this, there can be no certainty and expecting clubs to go the expense of putting things in place now for a new season starting in the summer does not seem sensible to me.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Mon 16 Mar 12:46

Statement just released has given a figure of 3-4 months from the first minister and the health authorities for a ban on gatherings of people over 500.

Desperate.

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Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Mon 16 Mar 13:17

Matches behind closed doors, all games streamed or live TV. Sat/wed/sat to finish seasons.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Mon 16 Mar 13:37

What if players develop Coronavirus of some teams ?

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Topic Originator: BigJPar  
Date:   Mon 16 Mar 13:51

Clubs must be rewarded for their efforts so far this season in any conclusion to this mess. Especially Dundee United, Liverpool and Celtic.
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Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Mon 16 Mar 13:57

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parsmad68, Mon 16 Mar 12:46

Statement just released has given a figure of 3-4 months from the first minister and the health authorities for a ban on gatherings of people over 500.

Desperate.

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FFS how many times does it need to be said it’s not a ban it is only a recommendation the first minister has already said she does not have the power to ban mass gatherings in Scotland as such a move would be a uk wide think it is merely advice to event organisers urging them to act responsibly and think about the strain hosting such events will put on public services and the emergence services

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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Mon 16 Mar 17:20

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BigJPar, Mon 16 Mar 13:51

Clubs must be rewarded for their efforts so far this season in any conclusion to this mess. Especially Dundee United, Liverpool and Celtic.


Agreed
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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Mon 16 Mar 18:02

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back oh the net, Mon 16 Mar 13:57

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parsmad68, Mon 16 Mar 12:46

Statement just released has given a figure of 3-4 months from the first minister and the health authorities for a ban on gatherings of people over 500.

Desperate.

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FFS how many times does it need to be said it’s not a ban it is only a recommendation the first minister has already said she does not have the power to ban mass gatherings in Scotland as such a move would be a uk wide think it is merely advice to event organisers urging them to act responsibly and think about the strain hosting such events will put on public services and the emergence services


Bojo did mention that they DO have powers of closure in his statement this evening but they prefer not to use them.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Mon 16 Mar 23:17

I know that this is slightly off topic. How is it that football is banned because we need a doctor and medics to be at the ground but horseracing with less than 500 is OK. Surely a doctor and medics have to there for any jockey that has a bad fall and obviously a vet for the horse.

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Topic Originator: DulochConvert  
Date:   Tue 17 Mar 06:18

Grand National has been fully cancelled, so looking like racing also stopping now.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 17 Mar 12:19

Radio report that Ann Budge would take legal action if Hearts were to be relegated without all remaining the league fixtures being played out.

That challenges the claim that clubs cannot initiate legal proceedings against the SFA and/or SPFL.

Does anybody know the rules on this ?
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Topic Originator: BigJPar  
Date:   Tue 17 Mar 12:23

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veteraneastender, Tue 17 Mar 12:19

Radio report that Ann Budge would take legal action if Hearts were to be relegated without all remaining the league fixtures being played out.

That challenges the claim that clubs cannot initiate legal proceedings against the SFA and/or SPFL.

Does anybody know the rules on this ?


I'd say let them go to court. Fannies
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 17 Mar 12:39

If Hearts were successful that would soon be followed by other clubs who would lose out on relegation and promotion issues.

Not finishing the league opens a real can of worms.
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Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Tue 17 Mar 13:22

The reported remarks,in the media today, by the Hamilton Accies owner,Ronnie MacDonald,are at best insensitive,perhaps ignorant or, at worst,provocative.

He has argued it is nonsense that clubs could go bust because they will not receive revenue from 3 or 4 games at the tail end of the season.

Hamilton Accies play to miniscule attendances but they are skewed by the travelling supports of Scotland five big clubs.

They are also cushioned by the inequitable distribution of Broadcasting income and even their cut from Celtic's European success.

Meanwhile, the likes of Dunfermline and Falkirk. with double the support,live hand to mouth.

The coronavirus has shown the status quo to be unsustainable.

It is rather ironic it may also lead to the long demanded League Reconstruction with Raith Rovers and Falkirk added to the Scottish Championship and no relegation.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Tue 17 Mar 13:40

To be brutally honest, hundreds (or more probably thousands) are going to die in Scotland from CV19 over the next few months. Businesses will close, people will be out of work and without money, surgical operations will be cancelled. People will just not be interested in football's petty problems.

But the problems are real. Several football clubs with cashflow problems are going to struggle to survive without this season's prize money. Players who are out of contract on 31 May will not find employment in the current uncertainty. Sponsors and broadcasters will be in no hurry to invest.

This season HAS to be ended now. It will cause problems, unfairness and anomalies, but continued uncertainty will cause greater damage.

The proposal to promote two clubs at each stage without relegation would head off most legal challenges, and IMO is the least-bad option.

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Topic Originator: BigJPar  
Date:   Tue 17 Mar 14:17

A decision will be made by the authorities. A collective decision which will be deemed the fairest outcome out of this debacle.

For the good of the game all clubs need to accept the outcome. Those who don't need called out.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 17 Mar 20:40

"Hamilton Accies play to miniscule attendances but they are skewed by the travelling supports of Scotland five big clubs.

They are also cushioned by the inequitable distribution of Broadcasting income and even their cut from Celtic's European success.

Meanwhile, the likes of Dunfermline and Falkirk. with double the support,live hand to mouth."

The same could be said for St.Johnstone and Livingston if attendances are to be the criteria for league status - fortunately it's performaces on the field of play that count.

Hamilton are there on merit, the only club (if memory serves) to have won promotion to the SPL through the playoffs, which, incidentally, are unfairly designed to favour the second bottom side of the top flight.

Our problems are largely self inflicted going back to the previous regime.
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Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Tue 17 Mar 20:50

Hamilton Accies are one of the Premiership clubs with their snouts in the trough sharing out 82% of Broadcasting income.

The Championship shares out slightly more than 11%.

That may be a factor too.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Tue 17 Mar 21:33

I just remember our 5-0 hammering at EEP. At that time we were both in the same league. It was just that they were a better run club.

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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 17 Mar 21:51

"Hamilton Accies are one of the Premiership clubs with their snouts in the trough sharing out 82% of Broadcasting income."

Why pick on Hamilton specifically ?

Maybe they are a better run club - that would be a factor.
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Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Tue 17 Mar 23:57

"Maybe they are a better run club"

Maybe, but maybe not.

They did manage to lose about £1m a couple of years ago, when an employee transferred the money (no counter-signature or anything) into a fraudulent bank account.

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Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Wed 18 Mar 00:20

I have an interest in the English National League, because my second-favourite club (Barrow) are currently top, ahead of Josh Falkingham's Harrogate Town and Notts County, with both closing fast on Barrow. I have a ticket for Barrow's last match of the season, in which they were hoping to return to the Football League for the first time since 1972.

But on the subject of the thread, I see National League clubs Barnet and Boreham Wood (remember them?) are planning or contemplating redundancies due to financial uncertainty over this season, and Southport have been saved by a local firm's donation. These clubs are not all that different in size from many Scottish Championship and League One clubs, so I would be surprised if some of our clubs were not contemplating similar moves.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51933722



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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Wed 18 Mar 06:44

veteraneastender: I did not " pick on Hamilton Accies specifically".

You may have missed their owner making outrageous comments in the media concerning the clubs' ability to survive this crisis.

His provocative ignorant views contrasted with Finance experts like Bryan Jackson, who took charge of our Administration.

It is an irony of this ghastly virus that it has a silver lining ie it has shown up how unsustainable the structure of Scottish Football is.

League Reconstruction is long overdue and looks more likely by the day.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 18 Mar 09:07

I missed these comments - are they available online ?

League reconstruction as currently being suggested will only cover over the cracks IMO, rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic comes to mind.

We have too many clubs as is, the problem of course is "persuading" the potential casualties to agree to their demise.
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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 18 Mar 11:04

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veteraneastender, Wed 18 Mar 09:07

I missed these comments - are they available online ?

League reconstruction as currently being suggested will only cover over the cracks IMO, rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic comes to mind.

We have too many clubs as is, the problem of course is "persuading" the potential casualties to agree to their demise.


But then everyone loses their **** if we try to address that. I've said loads of times i really like the county structure of the gaa and would be cool to see a Fife v Edinburgh match... But let's not forget hands off hibs and I can't imagine many on here would be happy merging to create a Fife team.
It's always seems OK for other folks' teams to merge or die off, but never anyone's own team

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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 18 Mar 12:15

Regional “clubs” are a non starter.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Wed 18 Mar 12:27

There are two points worth making.

Many decades ago the late broadcaster Bob Crampsey did research into how many Third Lanark fans continued to support a football team after the demise of their club but the figure was Less than 10%.

Second all the attempts to merge the three Inverness clubs failed.

I know full well the argument that ,were the Fife clubs to join up,the support would be the total of all five collectively.Theory and practice would be very different.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Wed 18 Mar 15:01

Restructuring will be inevitable
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Wed 18 Mar 15:46

If there is a reliable test and to prevent the league placing issue to be brought under scrutiny, why can clubs not have players tested on arrival at the ground then be allowed to play.
Closed doors of course.
One suggestion as I see that the government are stating that the peak cases are expected in June.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Wed 18 Mar 17:43

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parsmad68, Wed 18 Mar 15:46

If there is a reliable test and to prevent the league placing issue to be brought under scrutiny, why can clubs not have players tested on arrival at the ground then be allowed to play.
Closed doors of course.
One suggestion as I see that the government are stating that the peak cases are expected in June.


^^^ There is no such test ParsMad. Testing currently takes 24-48 hours

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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Wed 18 Mar 17:45

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DunfyDave, Wed 18 Mar 17:43

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parsmad68, Wed 18 Mar 15:46

If there is a reliable test and to prevent the league placing issue to be brought under scrutiny, why can clubs not have players tested on arrival at the ground then be allowed to play.
Closed doors of course.
One suggestion as I see that the government are stating that the peak cases are expected in June.


^^^ There is no such test ParsMad. Testing currently takes 24-48 hours


Worth a try. Really nasty little devil this one. Cabin fever setting in already.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Wed 18 Mar 18:17

Yes it is a bad one ParsMad. I hope everyone is being as safe as possible...

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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Wed 18 Mar 18:20

£1.5 million to be shared among clubs to help alleviate the current situation.

If you only turn up to moan then do it elsewhere
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 18 Mar 18:30

Grants or loans ?

The latter will just add to club debts.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Wed 18 Mar 18:36

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veteraneastender, Wed 18 Mar 18:30

Grants or loans ?

The latter will just add to club debts.


Not sure, it was briefly mentioned on STV News but comes from a fund.
Might be loans only if the season gets finished with fans there I'd imagine.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 18 Mar 18:59

It's advance payments of Club Licensing and Club Academy Scotland fees due at the end of the season so I presume they are not repayable but it's really just an acceleration of cash flow rather than extra money. It will also be heavily weighted in favour of the bigger clubs.

Meanwhile Hearts are cutting players' and staff wages by 50%.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Thu 19 Mar 07:52

<<Topic Originator: Sliema Par like | nolike
Date: Wed 18 Mar 12:27

There are two points worth making.

Many decades ago the late broadcaster Bob Crampsey did research into how many Third Lanark fans continued to support a football team after the demise of their club but the figure was Less than 10%.

Second all the attempts to merge the three Inverness clubs failed.

I know full well the argument that ,were the Fife clubs to join up,the support would be the total of all five collectively.Theory and practice would be very different.>>

i don't think the third lanark example fits in this scenario because that would be like dunfermline folding and asking how many fans would go along and support the wee team or east fife.

not sure about inverness, my memory's not great but i believe they are actually the result of a merger between caly thistle and inverness somthing? (and probably have had more recent success than we have)

the last point is more interesting and kinda back up my point. it's all very well moaning about the symptoms (too many teams/not enough big teams to compete, etc) but if people aren't prepared to take the medicine then we have to either accept it and/or stop moaning about it.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Thu 19 Mar 09:12

Talking about Third Lanark, when I was training to become a teacher I became friendly with a lad who was heavily into the stock cars and the Scotland national team. I remember asking him did he not support a local team. He told me that he had been a Hihi fan. He dis not change his allegiance to another team. He was surprised to know that I despite living in Clackmannanshire knew about Third Lanark.

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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Thu 19 Mar 09:37

but again eastendalloa, there's a difference between changing from one team to another existing team (that you've been in competition with and has history, opposing fans, etc) versus a brand new team that represents your area and has the lineage of your original one.

as an aside, to say people only support one team and one team only is a nonsense - people add to their allegiance all the time... consider your national team, your 'other' team in a different league, the team you start to support when you move to a different country, etc

In football, i'd say i support dunfermline, scotland, hull city, venezia and marseille (i.e. i buy merchandise, have been or go to games, look out for their results, etc)

now if dunfermline folded, i wouldn't say right that's i'm going to support the wee team, but equally i wouldn't say right that's it i'm never going to fitba again - so if dunfermline, east fife, rovers decided to join forces and create a fife county team, then i would go along to get my footie fix and support my local area against all the teams i've been in competition with this whole time
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 19 Mar 09:43

"not sure about inverness, my memory's not great but i believe they are actually the result of a merger between caly thistle and inverness somthing? (and probably have had more recent success than we have)"

ICT (then known as Caledonian Thistle) were the result of league reconstruction in the mid 1990s when two extra clubs were admitted.

Caledonian FC and Inverness Thistle FC agreed to a "marriage of conveneince" after the league authorities advised each that a joint application would be more favourably received than two separate ones.

Ross County were the other new admission, which suggests that if the two Inverness clubs had not merged then only one would have been considered for league status.

The Inverness merger met a fair amount of opposition due to local tribal loyalties, especially from the Caley support - and I believe some of the latter have never gotten onboard.

The third side in the city is Clachnacuddin FC who remained in the Highland League.
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Topic Originator: Thaipar  
Date:   Thu 19 Mar 13:22

English FA confirm April 30th at least.

Please don't book me Admin, it will ruin my life.
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: DulochConvert  
Date:   Thu 26 Mar 22:26

The football season in England from the seventh tier downwards has been cancelled, with all results expunged and no teams promoted or relegated
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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Thu 26 Mar 22:37

Some clubs had already secured promotion and are threatening legal action
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 30 Mar 18:53

The latest news is that, having taken legal advice, most clubs seem to think the priority should be protecting next season, when new broadcasting deals start,rather than completing this season's fixtures.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 30 Mar 19:34

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wee eck, Mon 30 Mar 18:53

The latest news is that, having taken legal advice, most clubs seem to think the priority should be protecting next season, when new broadcasting deals start,rather than completing this season's fixtures.


Trouble is, they've no idea when the new season will be able to kick off. I still think we'll end up with no relegations and a 14-10-10-10 set up. A way will be found to accommodate any extra games which may result. I can't see them having 3 games before a split. That would be 39 for starters. Maybe home and away (26) and then home and away again with championship and relegation pools.

Let's hope they scrub that mickey mouse tournament and even the League Cup if necessary. One way to stop the Sellick winning yet another treble. 😃



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Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Tue 31 Mar 07:11

I think the easiest thing to do would to have a blanket 6 month extension to players contacts, aim to get the season finished before Christmas then have a "summer season" before the 2022 World Cup.
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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Tue 31 Mar 07:20

Yes, that makes a lot of sense, kelty. The question is, how would that be received by the players? And where would things sit with the loanees?

A shortened "summer season" would hit clubs' revenue, but that may be a hit they just have to take.
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Topic Originator: parsfan  
Date:   Tue 31 Mar 07:48

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kelty_par, Tue 31 Mar 07:11

I think the easiest thing to do would to have a blanket 6 month extension to players contacts, aim to get the season finished before Christmas then have a "summer season" before the 2022 World Cup.


Agree with this. No transfer window until this season's finished, whenever that might be.

Footballers should deal with it like everyone else is having to and I'm sure most would. They might not like it, but who does?

For some it would mean them being paid through the summer months when they would have been between clubs.

There's also the question of how many clubs will make it through this.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 31 Mar 16:10

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kelty_par, Tue 31 Mar 07:11

I think the easiest thing to do would to have a blanket 6 month extension to players contacts, aim to get the season finished before Christmas then have a "summer season" before the 2022 World Cup.


Very sensible suggestion, KP. Can we put you forward for the SPFL panel?

Seriously though, let's hope some of our administrators can demonstrate similar out of the box thinking.

You could drop Ross McArthur an email.....🙂



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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Tue 31 Mar 16:36

Think next week will give closer view. Reading between lines on govt advice will be 6months before we are "normal" and including gradual relax of social distancing. We may see football re-introduced behind closed doors with agreements on streaming etc. The thought that 30th april (english steer) and 50/60/70,000 all gathering in a stadium is totally unreaistic.

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Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Tue 31 Mar 20:38

In England the National League has now "suspended" the season indefinitely, but it's still unclear what that means for promotions and relegations.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/31/national-league-indefinitely-suspends-season-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak

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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Wed 1 Apr 09:15

Depends on timing, but if we could hammer out the rest of this season, the crowds would be huge short time.

Quick 'close season' (November?) And a shortened next season, with smaller/Some PT squads ( clubs/fans will be skint)

Next season will be catastrophic economically, if you are lucky to be in the public sector, fine, for the rest will be brutal.

Forget about internationals, save club football first,that's what pays the wages.

Scrap the Euros, the idea of all those fans and players constantly flying around for a month next year is nuts.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 1 Apr 10:10

"the crowds would be huge short time."

I seriously doubt that, wishful thinking.

Apart from meaningful games that decide final places.
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Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Wed 1 Apr 11:53

When I say huge, maybe an extra thousand, there's only 8 games left, I think we just have to pack them in.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 2 Apr 11:14

Tragically, lots of people in danger of losing jobs and small businesses going to the wall etc. - many higher priorities than going to a match.

That might well be reflected in lower, not higher attendances, especially in games with little or no impact on final league placings.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Thu 2 Apr 13:37

Perhaps any person who has lost their job or business could get in for a nominal amount. I believe that going to a game helps in that it can be an escape from reality.

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 Re: All Scottish football off
Topic Originator: parak obama  
Date:   Sat 4 Apr 14:58

BBC News - Uefa lifts Saturday 15:00 football TV blackout in England and Scotland
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52161561

Looks like the first step to finishing the season behind closed doors

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