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 Football return
Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Mon 20 Apr 15:29

Not very encouraging news from Nicola today.
Football unlikely to return any time soon even without crowds. Could be into 2021 before you see your team again.

The worry of course with behind closed doors are that people will congregate in large numbers to watch the various televised games.

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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: firescot  
Date:   Mon 20 Apr 16:43

Would be fine if you were in your home watching a live stream, and places such as pubs sadly won’t be open either for large crowds to gather.

Dunfermline 6 Albion Rovers 0. On my birthday as well, thanks very much.
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Mon 20 Apr 17:25

This uncertainty is going to hamper season ticket sales.
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: AB Loyal  
Date:   Mon 20 Apr 17:38

She's trying not to get peoples hopes up, which is understandable. Guess we'll need to wait and see.

The Prophet - 12/07/18, 13/06/19, 10/07/20
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Mon 20 Apr 17:49

Yes, can't see it, surely football and the pubs will be last.

Priority will be schools to free parents up, then businesses gradually before they all collapse.

Can't see any players moving or signing, God knows how we will be able to pay those contracted until 2021.
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Mon 20 Apr 18:01

If you open the schools we may as well just reduce restrictions to social distancing only.

It’s the families where one of the parents is in the at risk group I feel for, those kids might not back to school this year.

Just sitting here drenched in my own negativity!
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Mon 20 Apr 18:05

I hope the Pars board has the gumption to institute a club membership scheme ASAP. The grim reality is that season tickets are likely a goner for next season.

If the experts (the scientists) are to be believed and we can't repurpose existing drugs, it could be a year to 18 months before we get a vaccine. And even then, it could be a further several months before any nationwide mass vaccination takes place. Medical workers, vulnerable groups and the contacts of affected patients would have to get priority before the vaccine is offered to everyone.

That means empty stands for all of next season.

Football clubs, like every other business out there, are going to have to accept the reality that we are in this for the long haul.

As I said on another thread, club membership offers a viable alternative to the season ticket scheme and has the added advantage that anyone near or far can become a member at any time of the year. Therefore, when it comes to annual renewal, the cash flows throughout the year rather than in a short spurt over summer.
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Mon 20 Apr 18:21

As I said on another thread, Club Chairmen were saying it could be the turn of the year until crowds are allowed. Sadly I think this could mean clubs going under, how many clubs can sustain the funding required to last until then.
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Mon 20 Apr 18:31

If clubs are to survive until next year it will be a bad time to be an out of contract player. We have some first team players and some younger players still under contract. Most other clubs will be the same. Finding enough money to pay them, management and ground staff will be very hard. Many clubs will probably fold.

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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Mon 20 Apr 18:36

Club membership is a decent idea, but surely will not raise much, what are we talking about £50 a year or something?

All the clubs will be slashing massively if it is delayed too much, the overriding income for us is season tickets, and even if we are up and running by September, the amount of fans who can afford season tickets will be massively reduced.

Many people are furloughed, but as soon as that is over, even in an open country there will immediately be many firms going bust. The government will be skint, no pay rises also, in time must have substantial tax rises.

Football clubs will be taking an axe.
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: JimMcDAFC  
Date:   Mon 20 Apr 19:57

Maybe most of the club's will have to start up again from scratch if it cannot go ahead this year. Don't know what the players will do suppose they will have to try and get other jobs? Would be some scramble at the restart to sign players if all contracts were made null and void.
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: doctordandruff  
Date:   Mon 20 Apr 20:15

Denmark and Germany announcing they are looking to restart their league in May. I feel she is just playing down our expectations. We wouldn't accept our society at a standstill while the rest of the World is up and running.
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74  
Date:   Mon 20 Apr 20:23

Hibs have sold over 4000 already. That’s over 30% of last seasons full total already.
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Mon 20 Apr 20:50

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doctordandruff, Mon 20 Apr 20:15

Denmark and Germany announcing they are looking to restart their league in May. I feel she is just playing down our expectations. We wouldn't accept our society at a standstill while the rest of the World is up and running.


Bundesliga proposing to test players every 3 days and play behind closed doors. Someone posted here last week that private tests were £250 each. Football at our level is months away unfortunately.
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Mon 20 Apr 20:59

A previous member of this forum said he was tested last week in Glasgow for £65.00🎸🎸🎸
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Mon 20 Apr 21:06

Afraid so, it's very difficult to compare countries, unfair really, we are nothing like Germany, sweden or Denmark, so many factors.

We can't pick a spot to start, no one can, we will not be able to say or do anything until the carnage is cleared a bit.

The big 4 (5 at a push) can financially struggle by without the income from crowds, no one else can even think about that, so let's punt that.

I think we pretty much follow Spain and Italy regards starting to move and add 3 weeks or so.
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: doctordandruff  
Date:   Mon 20 Apr 21:50

I'm not saying we are the same as Germany, more that if we are in August and infection numbers are negligible as is likely then she will not be able to say 'Sorry, nothing till 2021'. We are talking 4 months.
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Mon 20 Apr 22:42

Let's hope! I don't think anyone wants to say that to be fair- it's pretty clear there will be a tipping point where continuing lockdown is far more harmful, who knows, best to take it day by day while planning the exit.
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 21 Apr 00:19

She's quite right not to set timescales at present.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: Ben,D.A  
Date:   Tue 21 Apr 02:40

Personally, I can't see football or many other sports continuing this year due to a world wide pandemic and when it does, it will be a lot poorer for it as sponsors of individuals, teams and leagues will be looking at world wide cuts.

only 11 make the team,the rest can just but dream.
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Tue 21 Apr 04:30

<<Club membership is a decent idea, but surely will not raise much, what are we talking about £50 a year or something?>>


Flexibility would be the key to club membership, neils.

The base joining cost could be as low as you like and that would be reflected in what you get for your money.

You could start at say £30 or £40 for a "junior member" where a kid under 16 gets a membership badge, a scarf, free entry to say, three games and a few trinkets from the shop.

But then you would have staged levels of membership that progressively give you more products and services.

At the very top, you could envisage membership including the season ticket, entry to a pitchside box, hospitality, etc. And that would likely cost you quite a bit of money.

Of course, as you rightly point out, all this would be set against a backdrop of social and economic anxiety in the population.

The world is going to be a very different place after this emergency settles down.

Costs will need to be cut as income from season tickets, sponsorship, advertising and hospitality dry up.

Cash flow is king and that is where a club membership scheme is most beneficial, spreading income over the year rather than over the summer. With the current uncertainty over season start-up times, a scheme that offers justifiable income now for very little outlay and minimal risk could be a godsend for the club.

Many clubs will be considering going part-time. We could be one of them. If it is the difference between survival and oblivion, then so be it; it would be a sensible route to take.

Social distancing might mean that fans in the stands could be separated from their fellow fans by two empty seats. Oddly, owing to our level of support, when things open up again it is conceivable that all our stands could be "sold out" for quite a few games.

Until a vaccine is developed, football will be unable to return to the way it was, if it ever does. Some might say that is a good thing, but as others on here have already pointed out, there are likely to be clubs that won't make it to the other side of this catastrophe.

We just have to find ways within our power to ensure that DAFC is not one of them.
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Tue 21 Apr 06:12

Quote:

LochgellyAlbert, Mon 20 Apr 20:59

A previous member of this forum said he was tested last week in Glasgow for £65.00🎸🎸🎸


Aye but that was just an antibody test not a test to see if you have it

Come on ye pars ⚽️
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Tue 21 Apr 09:26

👍👍👍
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 21 Apr 09:27

Oz,

"Social distancing might mean that fans in the stands could be separated from their fellow fans by two empty seats"

How do players and officials maintain social distancing ?

I can't see the authorities allowing games in this scenario - sends out all the wrong signals contradicting their endless mantra of stay indoors etc.

That's without fans coming into the picture.
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Tue 21 Apr 09:50

I honestly don't know the answer to that, VEE.

At some point, presumably once a vaccine is found, the authorities will allow fans to attend games again, with social distancing applying. But that is likely at least a year away.

Presumably, once games restart the health of players and officials will be tested regularly.
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Tue 21 Apr 10:03

That's not going to happen, you can't social distance fans, just think about it for a minute

Ditto playing behind closed doors, it's no go, we simply won't get 2500/3000 paying to watch, and who has the set up for this? Maybe if sky work something up, but it doesn't seem an option.

We will be back together with the pubs, the dilemma for all is no one is sensibly hinting at a date, it will be a car crash, but how to get an income
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 21 Apr 11:56

"Presumably, once games restart the health of players and officials will be tested regularly."

That opens up another can of worms - if any player(s) proves positive as a carrier.

That would put the whole squad in jeopardy, likewise any opponent/official that they have come into contact with during a recent match, with all the implications that would arise.
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: DulochConvert  
Date:   Tue 21 Apr 12:48

I was talking to a boy at work last night and he was telling me about his brother in China, he has to carry a smart phone whenever he goes out.
His smart phone has a personal QR code, which records another QR phone within 2m. The normal colour of the code is blue, however if someone he has passed in the past 5 days tests positive then his code turns red for 14 days and he can’t go out.
The have facial recognition cameras set up which also read every passing code, plus if you don’t have one.
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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: Thaipar  
Date:   Tue 21 Apr 12:57

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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: Johan_Cruyff  
Date:   Tue 21 Apr 13:57

Sounds awful. Total big brother.
Won't be long until all kids born are microchipped

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 Re: Football return
Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Tue 21 Apr 15:05

Too much for me.

Crucially damaging to society, as there is no way you can force people to use (unlike PR China) will be catastrophic to people's health, as gives people a false sense of security, while those that refuse to use (a substantial % of the population) can still carry the virus.
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