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 Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 21 May 12:11

RS has just announced that the BBC has learned that the clubs in Scotland's second tier are exploring the possibility of playing its games without fans for the whole of next season.

Surely not?



Not your average Sunday League player.
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Thu 21 May 12:24

No, but I'm glad we are exploring all possibilities, we have to look at everything, discount unworkable and look at all suggestions.

It's a possibility that there will be no spectators for a long time (hope not) so we should look if it is possible to continue.
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Thu 21 May 12:29

For atleast part of
next season that may be the best option with streaming it online for fans via a subscripton service or a virtual season ticket
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 21 May 12:33

No fans = financial disaster.

Depressing.
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: Row_ZZ  
Date:   Thu 21 May 12:33

Football without fans is nothing. How are clubs supposed to survive when they aren't getting any gate money? The good will of this Tory government? Fat chance.

I Know There's Gonna Be (Good Times)
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Thu 21 May 12:33

It might have to be.

We just have to look at all eventualities, like most private sector companies, and see how we can possibly get through the next 18 months just to survive- this is why airlines, RR etc. Are laying off huge numbers of staff, they know there will be zero for 3 years, so they have to do this or liquidate.
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Thu 21 May 13:32

1. plans for teams to return to training in 3 weeks.
2. plans for league 1 and 2 to be suspended until January.
3. still waiting to hear what Budge is going to propose for reconstruction which doesn't have anything to do with point 2.
4. now this about the Championship behind closed doors.

that's just today in the media.
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: storminNorman  
Date:   Thu 21 May 14:54

aye no much news on the football front well any real news so a news story saying the championship will play the whole of next season behind closed doors,aye right no chairman will agree to this.well i would hope not because they must realise that if this is aloud to happen the mass exodus of fans lost to the game forever would be catastrophic.
many of you may disagree but when you get used to not going you find it hard to motivate yourself to go back and after a year out that's a long time,take it from me i have been going to see the pars from the age of seven or so (50yrs then) then suffered an illness never got near the football for 9 months and i missed it big time to start but believe me it passes and the motivation goes.
i think about it now and again then look at the weather,rain,wind naw i wont bother its easy after that length of time.
obviously i still hope they win but even defeats don't mean much anymore,sad but true.
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Thu 21 May 14:57

Quote:

GJS93, Thu 21 May 13:32

1. plans for teams to return to training in 3 weeks.
2. plans for league 1 and 2 to be suspended until January.
3. still waiting to hear what Budge is going to propose for reconstruction which doesn't have anything to do with point 2.
4. now this about the Championship behind closed doors.

that's just today in the media.


Im not getting why folk keep saying it would be a disaster...no fans no money.
Has it not often been suggested that games could be streamed for fees. I would think there would be a very good response and healthy income from doing that.

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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 21 May 15:02

It'll be pretty easy to calculate beforehand whether this will be the disaster the doom mongers are predicting.

At least it keeps the fans interested. I know if possible I'll watch.

VEE do you look on anything positively? Genuine question. Every one of your posts is negative.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"

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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par  
Date:   Thu 21 May 15:32

He's positive about being negative. Perhaps you could be a little more positive about his negativity?
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Thu 21 May 16:11

"Im not getting why folk keep saying it would be a disaster...no fans no money. 
Has it not often been suggested that games could be streamed for fees. I would think there would be a very good response and healthy income from doing that."

1. Not all clubs have the capacity to live stream games so there will be an outlay for some clubs. Then actually hosting/producing the footage costs money. If a feed drops out or the capacity isn't there are there going to be refunds?

2. There may be many people from one household who normally go to a game but now they would be paying for one feed. Potentially going from an income of say £50 for a couple and a kid to £9.99 isn't going to be ideal.

3. Clubs wouldn't be getting hospitality money, money from food outlets etc. Are companies going to want to sponsor the match ball etc. if they can't go to the game then meet the players afterwards?

4. Unless there was an agreement that every game was only streamed by the home team, then fans will almost always purchase the feed through their own club and not the host. So you'd be getting no income from away fans, which might not be a massive problem for us, but for the likes of Alloa, Queen of the South etc not having Hearts, Dundee and ourselves visiting will be a major hole in their finances.

5. If games are to be streamed at 3pm and this includes e.g. the Scottish Premiership, English Premier Leegue etc. then casual fans aren't as likely to spend money watching lower league Scottish games when they can watch Liverpool or Celtic or Barcelona or whomever.

That's why.
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 21 May 16:16

"VEE do you look on anything positively? Genuine question. Every one of your posts is negative."

Rattle my cage again when there is something significantly positive to report, until then I'll err on the side of realistic.

It seems that the ramifications of this present health crisis have not yet registered
with some folks.
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: 1985Par  
Date:   Thu 21 May 16:43

As I see it there are 2 options

1) Play behind closed doors, charging ( where possible) for online viewing.

or

2) Don't play.


Like absolutely every question surrounding covid -19. Which is the least worst option?
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Thu 21 May 17:04

Leagues 1 and 2 to be suspended till 2021

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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Sat 23 May 09:34

"'As Dunfermline Athletic I have to say that for us to play behind closed doors is not viable in the Championship"

more comments on this in the link.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8350061/Dunfermline-chairman-Ross-McArthur-says-axe-17-players.html

other teams also saying the same

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-could-pushed-towards-financial-22072970

meanwhile the whole league is still waiting on Budge with her "grand plan", at this rate she will get what she wants without even needing to propose reconstruction.
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 23 May 09:42

I think Luis Enrique summed up football played behind closed doors. He said it's like dancing with your sister - (no offence, sis).
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 23 May 09:59

Closed doors games are not a viable option according to Chairman - sadly.

Negative or realistic - or both ?
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 23 May 10:12

Playing behind closed doors at our level just isn’t viable.

You need fans in the stadium buying programmes, merchandise, drink in the bar.

With the fans comes the sponsorship deals and the income from that.

Having purely a streamed Championship service and put that against players wages, travelling costs it won’t stack up.

I can’t see a short season being really viable either, if it was simply playing a team once home and away, then they have to charge significantly less for a season ticket and may not be as appealing to fans to purchase. Players will still want similar amounts of money than they get currently, some may not be willing to accept such a short contract as well and may look for jobs out with football (as difficult as that would be).

Really are in a mess at the moment.

Surprised the club haven’t come out with another push for funding, may be considered cheeky to some but sounds like they really don’t have much choice.
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Sat 23 May 10:23

I think a lot of the lower division clubs rely on hospitality, will there be a option for some form of hospitality within the restrains of social distancing. There is talks of pubs and restaurants opening at some point with the restrains in place, so maybe an option, add to that live tv streams with sponsorship deals will bring some money in.

I am fearful though that there is only going to be a premier league next season, the other clubs mothballed, which will mean a lot of footballers looking for other employment.
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 23 May 10:30

Quote:

veteraneastender, Sat 23 May 09:59

Closed doors games are not a viable option according to Chairman - sadly.

Negative or realistic - or both ?


Ah, you win! Well done. You must be so happy?!

8 weeks ago we weren't even in lockdown. I don't think anyone really knows where we'll be in another 8 weeks, chairman included. Like someone alluded to earlier, if pubs and restaurants are up and running under reduced capacity, surely football stadiums & hospitality could open up in the same manner.

The problem we have is the unknown timescales. The SGs 46-page roadmap doesn't really give any real clues about when anything might happen. So businesses are in limbo.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 23 May 10:39

We're all going to have to dig deep. As others have said, it's not just loss of ticket sales. We'll lose funds from the Stephen's franchises in the stadium, 50/50 ticket sales and hospitality.

So if you imagine 3000 paying £20 that's £60,000 from ticket sales alone. If we day the rest adds an extra £5k, that means we'd need to sell 6,500 online tickets. That sounds feasible until you consider that a parent with a couple of kids would only be paying £10 rather than £50+
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 23 May 10:48

The chairman of Stranraer was on the radio a few weeks ago saying that they take more from hospitality at a home game than from gate receipts. They also have an interest in a pub in the town that raises a lot of funds for the club. Games behind closed doors wouldn't restore either of those sources of income.
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 23 May 10:54

We are not going back to pre virus normal - and I take no pleasure in having realised that earlier than some others.
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 23 May 11:05

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veteraneastender, Sat 23 May 10:54

We are not going back to pre virus normal - and I take no pleasure in having realised that earlier than some others.


Literally NO-ONE has said that. Can you please stop saying it

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"

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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Sat 23 May 11:17

You're in the wrong job Nostradamus, should have been the CMO, or run the country.

Can't see any option other than playing with crowds, but we are right to explore every option and scenario.
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 23 May 11:30

"Literally NO-ONE has said that. Can you please stop saying it."

Then maybe we could initiate a serious discussion on what society will look like further down the line ?
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sat 23 May 11:43

I was surprised to hear Ross say that ticket revenue only accounts for 45% of the clubs income. I thought it would be higher than that. The rest of the income is made up from sources that require fans to be at the ground. It’s hard to be optimistic when you read interviews like that tbf.
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Sat 23 May 11:50

Quote:

Berry, Sat 23 May 10:12










Surprised the club haven’t come out with another push for funding, may be considered cheeky to some but sounds like they really don’t have much choice.


There was no first push for funding from the club.
It wasn't asked for.
It was purely voluntarily from fans groups.

If you only turn up to moan then do it elsewhere
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: dave67  
Date:   Sat 23 May 11:56

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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 23 May 12:00

Quote:

veteraneastender, Sat 23 May 11:30

"Literally NO-ONE has said that. Can you please stop saying it."

Then maybe we could initiate a serious discussion on what society will look like further down the line ?


You sound like the FM

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 23 May 12:16

"You sound like the FM"

I'd like to know who does her hair !!!
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: CrossPar  
Date:   Sat 23 May 12:19

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veteraneastender, Sat 23 May 12:16

"You sound like the FM"

I'd like to know who does her hair !!!


Vidal Baboon
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 23 May 12:19

Quote:

veteraneastender, Sat 23 May 12:16

"You sound like the FM"

I'd like to know who does her hair !!!


Dominic Cummings?

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sat 23 May 13:14

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/nicola-sturgeon-gives-herself-diy-18080198
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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Sat 23 May 13:21

Quote:

parathletic, Sat 23 May 13:14

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/nicola-sturgeon-gives-herself-diy-18080198


There is no way I'm clicking that link 😉
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sat 23 May 13:26

:)
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 23 May 13:36

Quote:

JTH123, Sat 23 May 13:21

Quote:

parathletic, Sat 23 May 13:14

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/nicola-sturgeon-gives-herself-diy-18080198


There is no way I'm clicking that link 😉


😁 I was thinking the very same thing mate. Hope all is well with you guys

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Sat 23 May 22:11

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da_no_1, Sat 23 May 13:36

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JTH123, Sat 23 May 13:21

Quote:

parathletic, Sat 23 May 13:14

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/nicola-sturgeon-gives-herself-diy-18080198


There is no way I'm clicking that link 😉


😁 I was thinking the very same thing mate. Hope all is well with you guys


Aye good thanks. Sad to read about players all of a sudden being without a job even if there was a chance they could see it coming. You and I both know how that feels and my heart goes out to them.
I'm sure it must have been a very tough decision for the board to do that cause no matter what they decided they were going to get slaughtered by some. They and the players affected deserve our thanks for their efforts.
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sun 24 May 17:27

From the Beeb


Ross County chairman Roy MacGregor is "horrified" by the idea of a truncated Scottish Championship season and says all 42 SPFL clubs "need to stick together to survive".

It has been reported next season's second tier could be cut to 18 games.

MacGregor is "very worried for lower-league football", and says Premiership clubs have a responsibility to look after those further down the divisions.

"I'm concerned with what's coming," MacGregor told BBC Scotland.

"There will be a massive recession. Whether people can afford to see football is my concern. We need to get together as 42 clubs and find a way that football survives."
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 24 May 19:47

^^^^^ A more equitable distribution of TV/sponsorship monies would be a good start.



Not your average Sunday League player.
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 Re: Championship behind closed doors?
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Mon 25 May 07:13

Crocodile tears from Roy given Ross County are one of the three clubs (with St Mirren and Hamilton Accies ) who have spent the last decade blocking both League Reconstruction and a more equitable income distribution.
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