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 How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: delboi  
Date:   Mon 15 Jun 20:03

Does anybody on here know how we voted?
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Mon 15 Jun 20:54

Quote:

delboi, Mon 15 Jun 20:03

Does anybody on here know how we voted?


Wasn't a binding vote so I guess we'll never know.

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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Mon 15 Jun 22:27

I thought SNP..😅
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Mon 15 Jun 22:42

I don't know. Some of us are conservatives.

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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Tue 16 Jun 05:08

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eastendalloapar, Mon 15 Jun 22:42

I don't know. Some of us are conservatives.


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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Tue 16 Jun 07:18

I hope we voted no.

Don't see the benefit in giving ict a leg up to a larger prem, where they're more likely to remain given the effective tightening of the promotion / relegation gateway.

So for me the end result would have been, stronger rival and no easier way for us to be promoted
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: Lambo1885  
Date:   Tue 16 Jun 07:23

I would hope the same. I don't see what benefit this change would have for Scottish football other than for Hearts, Caley, Partick and falkirk. However if they were to have had straight 2 up 2 down and a fairer distribution of prize money that may have been more worthwhile.
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: DRreturns  
Date:   Tue 16 Jun 10:04

Dunfermline were in favour of reconstruction.

I’m here to take over!!
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 16 Jun 10:18

Hearts are demanding to know how everyone voted. Presumably so they can hold a personal grudge. Never liked the Jambos much but even less now. Horrible club who think they're too big to fail.
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: Cu-Par  
Date:   Tue 16 Jun 10:39

We would vote yes to get Kelty Hearts into Division 2 as we use their ground for reserve games and training
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: hudza  
Date:   Tue 16 Jun 10:43

I don’t see why we would have voted anything other than yes for reconstruction. Replacing United/Hearts and Inverness with Raith/Falkirk wouldn’t have that big a difference to our gates and also would weaken the league so we have more chance of finishing in a higher position next season.
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: chewie  
Date:   Tue 16 Jun 10:48

Sincerely hope it was a yes given our recent history. Partick Thistle and those who were one result away from topping their league have been genuinely wronged by this. Not to mention those who should have been involved in a promotion play off.
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 16 Jun 11:00

It's certainly in our best interests to see a bigger top league.

If we voted yes, I hope it was made clear that the change was to be permanent.

I don't quite get the argument that the 14 top league doesn't help us as the promotion situation will remain the same. It's a weaker Championship, so getting a top 4 spot should theoretically be easier and, if we make it to the Premier League, it is easier to get established in it.

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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: king lad  
Date:   Tue 16 Jun 11:36

Currently getting to the top flight is extremely restrictive, you either need to win the league (there's always at least 2-3 teams with a bigger budget in the championship than ourselves) or make a playoff run that is completely weighted towards the top tier team. An increased top flight would help us greatly to achieve promotion. I was in favour of some form of reconstruction, but to get a 11-1 vote in the premiership to change anything is near impossible.
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Tue 16 Jun 12:14

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king lad, Tue 16 Jun 11:36

Currently getting to the top flight is extremely restrictive, you either need to win the league (there's always at least 2-3 teams with a bigger budget in the championship than ourselves) or make a playoff run that is completely weighted towards the top tier team. An increased top flight would help us greatly to achieve promotion. I was in favour of some form of reconstruction, but to get a 11-1 vote in the premiership to change anything is near impossible.


The 11-1 vote structure is entirely the fault of the teams who voted for it in the first place, and worse did absolutely nothing about it when the new Rangers were outside the Premier League for 4 seasons.

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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: BigJPar  
Date:   Tue 16 Jun 12:34

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DRreturns, Tue 16 Jun 10:04

Dunfermline were in favour of reconstruction.


Source?
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Tue 16 Jun 23:05

well if Kheredine Idessane (BBC) is to be believed

Folk asking about the breakdown of @spfl reconstruction vote. Only 3 Premiership clubs voted in favour. 9 against. Championship was split 5-5, with
@DundeeFC & @Morton_FC & 1 other voting with @JamTarts & @ICTFC in favour. League 1: 4 for, 6 against. League 2: 4 for, 6 against

Arbroath confirmed on their website they voted for it so that would be the 1 other....if that info is correct.
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: hudza  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 00:16

Don’t understand why we would vote against it - stupid!!
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: delboi  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 03:08

I hope we didnt vote in favour , there has to be relegation.you cant crown a team champions and then not do anything to the side that are bottom.
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 11:52

I was frankly disgusted by the deplorable remark by Roy MacGregor, the Ross County Chairman, who allegedly said "Hearts must take their medicine".

Ross County were in free fall leading up to matches being suspended.

They had taken six points from the last twelve games.

Ross County with St Mirren have blocked League Reconstruction for many years and brazenly too.

An Independent Enquiry is needed as Scottish Football is blatantly incapable of overhauling itself.
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 12:14

My head has just exploded with incandescent rage at this, hideous disgusting, abhorrent, deplorable decision.

Oh wait, it hasn't. I couldn't give a shiny sh1te

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 12:16

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Sliema Par, Wed 17 Jun 11:52

I was frankly disgusted by the deplorable remark by Roy MacGregor, the Ross County Chairman, who allegedly said "Hearts must take their medicine".

Ross County were in free fall leading up to matches being suspended.

They had taken six points from the last twelve games.

Ross County with St Mirren have blocked League Reconstruction for many years and brazenly too.

An Independent Enquiry is needed as Scottish Football is blatantly incapable of overhauling itself.


Over the last 10 games hearts took a MASSIVE 3 points more than Ross County......
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 13:05

latest update to that earlier info from Kheredine Idessane….Arbroath did vote yes, we voted no.
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: The Toun Clock  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 13:05

We voted against. Just confirmed on Twitter by BBC journo Kheradine.
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: Lambo1885  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 13:08

"An Independent Enquiry is needed as Scottish Football is blatantly incapable of overhauling itself."

This wasn't an 'overhaul' of Scottish football. It was a fudge to keep Hearts in the top league.
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: DulochConvert  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 13:11

Just out of badness we should propose a 12-12-10-10, therefore saving everyone bar Hearts with places for Kelty and Bora!
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 13:36

Surprised by our vote - maybe they thought it wasn’t the right time to do it.

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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 13:54

I agree with Roy MacGregor Hearts should just take their medicine but they are stubborn
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: The Roy Barry Fan Club  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 14:05

Leaving aside questions of morality, interest or self interest. Kheradine Idessane has been misinformed.

To be very clear: Dunfermline Athletic voted for a permanent reconstruction 14, 10 10 10) on Friday.
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 14:38

I thought the voting took place on Monday GG? Not that I’m suggesting they changed their vote then.

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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: GEW35  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 14:45

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The Roy Barry Fan Club, Wed 17 Jun 14:05

Leaving aside questions of morality, interest or self interest. Kheradine Idessane has been misinformed.

To be very clear: Dunfermline Athletic voted for a permanent reconstruction 14, 10 10 10) on Friday.


I’m not on Twitter but I would hope that one of our fans who is could let Kheradine know that, on this occasion, he is wrong.
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: The Roy Barry Fan Club  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 14:45

Closing time was Monday Buffy. You might think it foolish to leave things to the last moment considering potential IT matters such as spam boxes etc.....

Kheredine clearly misinformed.

I wouldn't worry too much about communication with Kheredine GEW . He will shortly have to reflect on the source of his information and the motive.



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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: The Toun Clock  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 15:18

Someone on twitter has pointed it out to Kheredine.
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 15:43

True GG - I nivver doubted ye for a moment 😉

“ Someone on twitter has pointed it out to Kheredine.”

Aye, me 😊

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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: Socks  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 15:50

Kheredine Idessane has basically repeated everything Scott Gardiner has told him throught all of this so I think it's fairly safe to assume who his source is this time.

I completely understand why we'd vote in favour of a permanent reconstruction, though I don't support it myself and I'm glad that it failed.
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: The Toun Clock  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 17:05

“Aye, me 😊”

Not unless you’re a bloke called Jason
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 17:54

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The Roy Barry Fan Club, Wed 17 Jun 14:05

Leaving aside questions of morality, interest or self interest. Kheradine Idessane has been misinformed.

To be very clear: Dunfermline Athletic voted for a permanent reconstruction 14, 10 10 10) on Friday.


In all football matters relating to the Pars, I can exclusively reveal (a la Chico Young) that TRBFC is infallible. That means that Idessane is talking through a hole in his balaclava....

This proposal, if voted through, would have ensured that Falkirk and Partick would have been playing next season, as would a 14-14-14 set up, which I wasn't wild about. I believe the Pars voted for both and that Falkirk and Partick were much more in our thoughts then any desire to save Hearts.



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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: Athletico  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 18:35

Find impossible to believe any Championship club would vote against, why wouldn't you want an increased chance to get into the top league?
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 19:27

Because this doesn't deliver that.

In fact there's no change to the gateway to get into the prem and we weren't competing with ict for second place, anyway, so if we use this season as an example, it wouldn't have made any odds.

I'd argue it allows the prem to become more of a closed shop as the and the only way we'll increase our chances of getting there would be if the number of automatic promotion spots increased
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: Kdy Par  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 19:29

How is there an increased chance of promotion? There was no change to the promotion places.
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: Alf  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 19:34

Ross just put a statement on cows confirming that we voted in favour of reconstruction
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 19:39

i hope that statement wasn't us kowtowing to the nasty embra bully for fear of any reprisal?

it doesn't matter how we or any individual club voted... all member clubs made a decision collectively - full stop!



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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 20:12

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Kdy Par, Wed 17 Jun 19:29

How is there an increased chance of promotion? There was no change to the promotion places.


Isn't the logic behind that conclusion that there would be less chance of us competing for promotion from the championship against bigger clubs if you had a bigger Premiership? The chances of Hearts, Hibs, Dundee or Dundee United being relegated would surely recede in a 14 team Premiership?

Eta. Once we got there, it would be easier to stay up, too - I think.



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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 21:46

As Craig Levein said ,on the BBC podcast,certain clubs will not be offered Hearts players on loan from now on.
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: the saline hill puma  
Date:   Wed 17 Jun 21:48

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Sliema Par, Wed 17 Jun 21:46

As Craig Levein said ,on the BBC podcast,certain clubs will not be offered Hearts players on loan from now on.


Who really gives a **** what that donkey says
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Thu 18 Jun 05:26

What a horrible club.

Do they really think its only the other club who gains and not their own player from getting game time?

What a horrible club

Edited to say I don't buy the "weakened" championship means we'll sail into prem and stay there. We're not the best of the rest and running away with third place every year, meanwhile the clubs or size, like ict world benefit and pull further away from us

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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Thu 18 Jun 08:08

We clearly wouldn't sail into the Premier League. However, you need to be the 4th best of a poorer bunch to give yourself a chance.

The line about ICT pulling further away doesn't stack up. Many clubs that get relegated don't bounce back immediately.

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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Thu 18 Jun 11:49

<<The line about ICT pulling further away doesn't stack up. Many clubs that get relegated don't bounce back immediately.>>

so are you saying that if we voted ICT into the premier league, they wouldn't gain financially from that?

it's already accepted that with a larger league but no change to the relegation numbers, the it will be easier to stay in that league, so what if ICT avoided relegation (as predicted we will when we get there)... and have 2 or 3 years in the premier league? again would that not allow them to gain financially for even longer

so if we give ICT a leg up into richer league and don't win the championship next year (or the multiple playoffs required) then financially (and ultimately on the park) ICT will have pulled further away from us than they are now
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Thu 18 Jun 12:42

"so are you saying that if we voted ICT into the premier league, they wouldn't gain financially from that?"

No, I am saying that whoever comes down normally doesn't win the Championship. I've no specific concern about ICT in particular. I just don't subscribe to the view that a team going up to the Premier League starts stock-piling funds, improving infrastructure and generally improving the club so markedly that it helps them much if they get relegated.

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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Thu 18 Jun 15:16

well in that case it sounds like we agree with each other... just making different but related points :)

i agree just because your relegated doesn't make you a shoe in for immediate promotion, but also that a team promoted will benefit financially

the point i was making regarding our voting preference (regarding the OP) was that we had essentially voted to promote a rival, ICT. therefore we had voted to provide ICT with a route into a league which is pretty difficult to break into as you basically have to win the division and in doing so would have allowed ICT to benefit financially. i accept one or two years in the premiership won't transform ICT's finances, but equally they'd be in a better position as a result of that than if they remained in the championship for that same time
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 Re: How did dunfermline vote today?
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Thu 18 Jun 15:23

Fair giggling at yer signature, DA-Go!

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