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 Scots in England
Topic Originator: BlackLight  
Date:   Sat 4 Jul 00:17


I know it hasn't been an overnight sensation, but it feels like there's suddenly a Scottish player in almost every team in the English Premiership (I know that's an exaggeration).

Not just the crap teams either. There seem to be players playing regularly at a few top clubs.

Could Scotland be on the cusp of a 'golden generation'? If so, how will the SFA manage to squander it?
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 Re: Scots in England
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Sat 4 Jul 00:35

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BlackLight, Sat 4 Jul 00:17

I know it hasn't been an overnight sensation, but it feels like there's suddenly a Scottish player in almost every team in the English Premiership (I know that's an exaggeration).

Not just the crap teams either. There seem to be players playing regularly at a few top clubs.

Could Scotland be on the cusp of a 'golden generation'? If so, how will the SFA manage to squander it?


The SFA will always find a way to squander it.
Hopefully the manager has enough respect to keep these players interested even for so called meaningless friendlies as, in my view there is no such thing.

I say this as it isn't a new thing when the big stars go missing for low key games.
It is a Scottish trait going back 40 years and it is shameful when you see how England never have this problem.

Too many managers too eager to keep big players 'sweet'

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 Re: Scots in England
Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Sat 4 Jul 07:01

It’s just unfortunate we’re lacking a quality striker and centre back. If only we could make a team full of centre backs and left backs! We’re not far away from having a top quality team. Hopefully Fraser Hornby gets a chance a Rennes (who are known for improving young players) and Liam Morrison improves at Bayern as he is a highly rated young centre back.
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 Re: Scots in England
Topic Originator: evo!  
Date:   Sat 4 Jul 09:22

Robertson - Liverpool
McTominay - Man utd
Gilmour - Chelsea
Tierney - Arsenal
Fraser - Bournemouth - moving almost surely to bigger club
McGinn - Aston Villa (surely also moving to bigger club if relegated)
McBurnie - Sheffield Utd
Armstrong - Southampton
McArthur - C Palace
Snodgrass - West Ham
Mclean - Norwich

At least off top of head

Not sure all those players are fantastic (Snodgrass getting on a bit and McLean), but most are. Fear for Tierney though at Arsenal as they dont develop players well long term.

Get a decent goalie and hope long term Nisbet and Shankland form great deadly strikeforce for this nation and we are on for qualifying for something.
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 Re: Scots in England
Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie  
Date:   Sat 4 Jul 09:24

Same problem we've had for years though, even the purple patch with Walter Smith and McLeish first time round, centre backs are the weak link sadly.

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 Re: Scots in England
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 4 Jul 09:37

There are some decent players in that list but no outstanding talent who can inspire those around him. Most small countries which have a successful international team have at least one world-class player in their squad who can bring the best out of those around him. Scotland used to have at least one, sometimes more, like Law, Baxter, Dalglish, Souness, but we haven't had someone of their class since they retired and I don't see any on the horizon.
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 Re: Scots in England
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Sat 4 Jul 11:18

McArthur retired from Scotland duties a while back.
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 Re: Scots in England
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sat 4 Jul 11:21

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evo!, Sat 4 Jul 09:22

Robertson - Liverpool
McTominay - Man utd
Gilmour - Chelsea
Tierney - Arsenal
Fraser - Bournemouth - moving almost surely to bigger club
McGinn - Aston Villa (surely also moving to bigger club if relegated)
McBurnie - Sheffield Utd
Armstrong - Southampton
McArthur - C Palace
Snodgrass - West Ham
Mclean - Norwich

At least off top of head

Not sure all those players are fantastic (Snodgrass getting on a bit and McLean), but most are. Fear for Tierney though at Arsenal as they dont develop players well long term.

Get a decent goalie and hope long term Nisbet and Shankland form great deadly strikeforce for this nation and we are on for qualifying for something.


Other Scottish players at EPL clubs who may come good.
Bournemouth - Brennan Camp (Centre Back)
Crystal Palace - Scott Banks (Midfield)
Liverpool - Thomas Clayton (Centre Back) and Tony Gallacher (Left Back)
Man City - Lewis Fiorini (Attacking Midfielder)
Norwich - Archie Mair (Goalkeeper)
Watford - Sonny Blu-Lo Everton (Midfielder)

English Championship players.
Derby - Graeme Shinnie (Midfield)
Fulham - Kieron Bowie (Forward)
Hull - James Scott (Forward)
Swansea - George Byers (Midfield)
West Brom - Olly Burke (Forward) so far not living up to potential but still just 23.
Wigan - Jensen Weir (Midfield) Need to persuade him to play for Scotland again. Has played for both Scotland and then England at youth level.

Home based players who might make it at International level.
Aberdeen - Dean Campbell (Centre Midfield) and Lewis Ferguson (Centre Midfield)
Hamilton - Jamie Hamilton (Centre Back)
Hearts - Aaron Hickey (Full Back, both sides)
Hibs - Ryan Porteous (Centre Back)
Killie - Innes Cameron (Striker)
Motherwell - David Turnbull (Midfielder)
St Mirren (on loan at Barnsley) - Ethan Erhahon (Left Back/Left Midfield)
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 Re: Scots in England
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Sat 4 Jul 18:18

I’m assuming that wee Dembele at Celtic has chosen England?
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 Re: Scots in England
Topic Originator: chewie  
Date:   Sat 4 Jul 19:35

Can add Fleck and Hanley to this. Hanley got stick previously but still a young lad.
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 Re: Scots in England
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Sat 4 Jul 22:25

English Championship players.
Derby - Graeme Shinnie (Midfield)
Fulham - Kieron Bowie (Forward)
Hull - James Scott (Forward)
Swansea - George Byers (Midfield)
West Brom - Olly Burke (Forward) so far not living up to potential but still just 23.
Wigan - Jensen Weir (Midfield) Need to persuade him to play for Scotland again. Has played for both Scotland and then England at youth level.


Add to that. Derby - Forsyth ( full. Back )
Fulham - Tom Cairney ( midfield )


Bottom line is we should be able to cobble a decent side together from Premiership players , Championship players and SPL - particularly Celtic players.
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 Re: Scots in England
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Sun 5 Jul 08:59

Cairney doesn’t seem to interested in playing for us. He can do one.
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 Re: Scots in England
Topic Originator: neilholland999  
Date:   Sun 5 Jul 09:00

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chewie, Sat 4 Jul 19:35

Can add Fleck and Hanley to this. Hanley got stick previously but still a young lad.


Hanley will be 29 in November
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 Re: Scots in England
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Sun 5 Jul 13:02

Fleck is 28 too. Neither he or Hanley are up and coming.
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 Re: Scots in England
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 8 Jul 06:11

Tierney just got MoM in Arsenal v Leicester match last night
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 Re: Scots in England
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Wed 8 Jul 12:01

Tierney is potentially going to be better than Robertson. I don’t think it’ll be too long before he should be taking his Scotland place. Unless Scotland play how arsenal do with 3 centre backs and wing backs. Tierney could play on the left of the 3 with Robertson at wing back. It’s really the only way to have both in the team. Tierney is the better defender.
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