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 Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: BigJPar  
Date:   Thu 6 Aug 14:38

..tests positive for Corona. That'll cause a few problems.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Thu 6 Aug 14:40

Are Aberdeen games not on hold as you can't travel in or out of Aberdeen.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: BigJPar  
Date:   Thu 6 Aug 14:44

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Par, Thu 6 Aug 14:40

Are Aberdeen games not on hold as you can't travel in or out of Aberdeen.


Games weren't going to be affected. I think they will be now.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: par_33  
Date:   Thu 6 Aug 14:54

Watch the SFA say the game can go ahead, then the government will step in.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Thu 6 Aug 15:54

Was thinking about this.This is going to cause havoc,but people's well being must be a priority.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Thu 6 Aug 16:16

Wonder if he was playing against Rangers. There was quite a lot of physical contact in that game as there is in all games. Although Aberdeen didn't score, the amount of kissin' and cuddlin' when a team scores kind of flies in the face of the pandemic.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Thu 6 Aug 16:23

Has all the players not been tested as negative before games ?
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Thu 6 Aug 16:24

Is it confirmed as positive or is it the same positive that half the St mirren coaching team got?

c'mon the pars
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Thu 6 Aug 16:45

Jungle drums are going about some player being out in Aberdeen city centre pubs on Saturday night.

Probably a load of mince bit wouldn't be the most surprising turn of events.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 6 Aug 17:35

Seems all the Cove Rangers squad was in one of the pubs.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Thu 6 Aug 19:00

Need to make the thread title plural now.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: Parsdaft  
Date:   Thu 6 Aug 20:43

Will the squad not have to quarantine for 14 days?
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: Johan_Cruyff  
Date:   Thu 6 Aug 20:45

One thing I dont understand - if he was out on Saturday night wouldn't he need 7-10 days for it show up in a test - or has the 'gestational' period guidance changed ?

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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 6 Aug 21:17

8 players out now.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Thu 6 Aug 21:36

Betting suspended with quite a few firms and the price on the BF Exchange has been hammered.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Thu 6 Aug 21:38

Chris McLaughlin on Twitter reporting that all 8 were in a bar linked to the Covid outbreak in Aberdeen.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Thu 6 Aug 23:08

St Johnstone game going ahead at the weekend. Aberdeen have their 2 main strikers out injured, Considine suspended and 8 players out due to Covid or isolation. Managed to get St Johnstone at 6/4 earlier.

Awight Pat!

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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Thu 6 Aug 23:41

You don’t know who the 8 are. Could be squad players ?




It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 6 Aug 23:48

There's a post on P&B naming them

Off the top of my head

Anderson
Bryson
McGeoch
McKenna
Ojo
Ferguson

Canny mind the rest



"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"

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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 00:16

Post I saw on Twitter saying the missing 8 are:

Anderson
Hayes
Bryson
Kennedy
Devlin
McKenna
Cosgrove
McGeouch

Sky bet were 3.1 before they clocked what was going on. I got 2.88 with Betfair and the Exchange is now 1.64.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 00:57

Cosgrove and Hayes weren't on the list I seen.

Anderson
Kennedy
McGeouch
Ferguson
McKenna
Ono
Devlin
Bryson

If that's right, then that 8 plus Considine, Main and Cosgrove out for the next 3 games.

Awight Pat!

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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 07:22

The Daily Record reports that after late night crisis talks between Holyrood and Hampden’s Joint Response Group, it was agreed that the Dons will be permitted to take a heavily depleted squad to St Johnstone for Saturday's live TV showdown - so long as no more cases are confirmed within their squad in the next 24 hours.

Derek McInnes had to abandon a training session on Thursday following the first positive test and the furious manager immediately ordered an internal probe.

Seven more team-mates admitted to being out on the town on Saturday night following a 1-0 defeat at home to Rangers on the opening day of the Premiership season.

It’s understood the entire squad then had to undergo a further round of swabs and that one player later posted a second positive test although he is awaiting the result of a follow up screening by the NHS.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 08:27

Hopefully there will be a vaccine or whatever for the virus - but there's no treatment for sheer irresponsible stupidity.

Derek McInnes and Aberdeen directors must be raging - fans as well.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: StevenPar77  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 09:28

I can't get my head around at what point they thought this would be a good idea especially after losing to Rangers earlier in the day.
I am not saying that they should lock themselves indoors but keep a low profile at least.
The boy McCormack saying we all make mistakes etc not sure that will wash.

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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 09:31

I'm surprised so many Aberdeen players were keen to go out and about in the city after a home defeat - especially to Rangers.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: par_33  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 10:32

Nae point of speculation and naming names. Just wait for the team lineup tmrw.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 11:16

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wee eck, Fri 7 Aug 09:31

I'm surprised so many Aberdeen players were keen to go out and about in the city after a home defeat - especially to Rangers.


They're probably Sevco fans....
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 11:21

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par_33, Fri 7 Aug 10:32

Nae point of speculation and naming names. Just wait for the team lineup tmrw.


There is if you want a bet.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 11:38

Game off apparently.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 11:54

Aberdeen should be docked the points and saints awarded 3-0 win,saints don't deserve to be disadvantaged.

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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 11:58

This is a salutary lesson for all Scottish footballers. There is just no room for daft errors like this.

Aberdeen will doubtless get fined for this and though it is not directly the club's fault, rightly so. Dock them points? It would certainly act as a deterrent.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 12:00

If anyone put a bet on with Skybet you might still be able to cash out for nearly a 50% profit on your original stake.

Betfair have suspended cash our since last night on the market.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 12:00

Minister for public health and sport Joe Fitzpatrick had called a meeting with the Scottish FA and Scottish Professional Football League for Friday to discuss the situation after what a government statement called "a clear breach of the rules".

I would expect further repercussions
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 12:10

Didnt the JRG say weeks ago that the start of fixtures was wholly conditional on the clubs/ league compliance with all Covid proticols.
First game in and they are breached. I think the Scottish Giv and JRG will take a very dim view of behaviour that could jeopardise the whole fixture card and indeed league.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 12:19

"The boy McCormack saying we all make mistakes etc not sure that will wash."

He could always visit Aberdeen Royal Infirmary to gauge how the hard pressed NHS staff feel about his self inflicted "mistake" - I'm sure they'll be very understanding.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 12:28

It's also a problem from a rescheduling perspective if all three games have to be cancelled as this season was very congested anyway.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 12:32

If Aberdeen players are found to have broken rules set out by the SG then they should forfeit the next 3 matches that are due to be played while their players are isolating.

That would focus their brain-dead players a bit more on the stupidity of what they did last Saturday.



"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"

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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: StevenPar77  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 12:37

Quote:

veteraneastender, Fri 7 Aug 12:19

"The boy McCormack saying we all make mistakes etc not sure that will wash."

He could always visit Aberdeen Royal Infirmary to gauge how the hard pressed NHS staff feel about his self inflicted "mistake" - I'm sure they'll be very understanding.


Completely agree!

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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 12:47

How stupid those players have been.Did they not think of the consequences of their actions.Could they not have had a drink in another players garden, and kept a low profile.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 13:16

I agree that Saints should get points, Aberdeen should be deducted points. If Aberdeen are not punished it is not setting the correct message.

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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 14:36

You cant punish the club for sheer stupidity of players, All that would do is force players to blatantly lie where they had been to contract the disease, personally I would fine them heavily and give money to NHS, make the club play games whether that be now or at a later date, but none of the idiots should be able to play in the games

East End Park is a symbol of all that is DAFC.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 14:52

There are pictures of them on Twitter in the pub so they couldn't get away with lying.

The club probably did give them guidance on what to do but if the player's have ignored it then its ultimately up to the club to enforce the behaviours that the players need to adhere to.

If three games get cancelled because the players went out on the lash then it causes problems for everyone else and the responsibility for getting the games fulfilled ultimately lies with AFC.

A bit harsh admittedly but not much other option IMO.

*Edited as leash may have been more appropriate than lash but it's not what happened.

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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 15:27

Make an example of them and give st Johnstone the points. And the club should heavily fine the players as well as a result of bringing the club into disrepute. Never understood players going out on the lash after getting beat especially in the town of the club.

c'mon the pars
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 15:32

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MDCCCLXXXV, Fri 7 Aug 14:36

You cant punish the club for sheer stupidity of players, All that would do is force players to blatantly lie where they had been to contract the disease, personally I would fine them heavily and give money to NHS, make the club play games whether that be now or at a later date, but none of the idiots should be able to play in the games


p*sh! Of course the club should be punished!

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"

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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 15:49

The interesting thing with this virus is the lasting impact it is having on individuals, even if is not a hospitalised case. Those boys have been monumentally stupid, not just by going to the pub, but their respective careers. Is there any information on how COVID affects athletes?
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 15:54

Surely the appropriate punishment for Aberdeen is to make them play fixtures with the fit/healthy squad at their disposal ?

Whatever internal disciplinary measures the club takes against the offenders is their own business.

I would not be surprised if the SFA were to take further action after investigation.
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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 16:13

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da_no_1, Fri 7 Aug 15:32

Quote:

MDCCCLXXXV, Fri 7 Aug 14:36

You cant punish the club for sheer stupidity of players, All that would do is force players to blatantly lie where they had been to contract the disease, personally I would fine them heavily and give money to NHS, make the club play games whether that be now or at a later date, but none of the idiots should be able to play in the games


p*sh! Of course the club should be punished!


Ok, what if only 1 player had a couple of beers in a bar before going to a bbq, where 7 of his team mates are, where all then contract covid,
Is the club then punished for 1 idiot or all 8.

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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 16:22

The club should be punished to the extent it can or cant fulfill its fixtures. If eight players test positive for CV and they cant fulfill the game then they should be punished accordingly. That may come from one numpty or eight.

The SPFL and SFA had to make specific commitments to the Government to get the games on. If the players aren't doing what they have to then the club's are ultimately responsible.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 16:41

Match should be forfeited.
Now it’s pressure on St Johnstone too to fit another game in.
This was stupidity and breach of the agreement between clubs league and
Government and there should be consequences.
Hopefully not another vote though.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 18:28

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londonparsfan, Fri 7 Aug 16:22

The club should be punished to the extent it can or cant fulfill its fixtures. If eight players test positive for CV and they cant fulfill the game then they should be punished accordingly. That may come from one numpty or eight.

The SPFL and SFA had to make specific commitments to the Government to get the games on. If the players aren't doing what they have to then the club's are ultimately responsible.


So what happens if Dunfermline start the season with a win against ICT, then for no particular reason 8 players contract covid, cant field a safe team to play Alloa, QoS and Ayr(no disrespect but games we would hope to win. Should our club then concede 9 points

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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 18:33

No, the action of forfeiting should only happen if it's Hearts with the affected players.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 18:36

If the players have been in the pub or done something that's increased the risk of them contracting Covid then definitely but if they've gone food shopping or something and got unlucky then no. If there's no conclusive evidence either way then I'd say innocent until proven guilty then there should be no punishment.

In Aberdeen's case the players have done something they shouldn't and it's not fair on the other club's that games are getting cancelled.
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Topic Originator: Superpars68  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 18:39


If 8 players get Covid for "no particular reason" then of course not but that is not what happened at Aberdeen , their players broke the rules that the football authorities put in place and Aberdeen management and officials failed to police the rules and should face some form of punishment as a result.

How is this fair on St Johnstone and possibly Hamilton and Celtic should their matches be rearranged with Aberdeen having their full squad available.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 18:46

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MDCCCLXXXV, Fri 7 Aug 18:28

Quote:

londonparsfan, Fri 7 Aug 16:22

The club should be punished to the extent it can or cant fulfill its fixtures. If eight players test positive for CV and they cant fulfill the game then they should be punished accordingly. That may come from one numpty or eight.

The SPFL and SFA had to make specific commitments to the Government to get the games on. If the players aren't doing what they have to then the club's are ultimately responsible.


So what happens if Dunfermline start the season with a win against ICT, then for no particular reason 8 players contract covid, cant field a safe team to play Alloa, QoS and Ayr(no disrespect but games we would hope to win. Should our club then concede 9 points


If you read my post it clearly states "if they broke the rules"

Read it again

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 19:49

Aberdeen were to have the Covid 8 missing plus Considine suspended and 2 main strikers injured .
So Aberdeen will have most back for the replayed game ,and Saints miss out on hospitality booked for this game .



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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: the saline hill puma  
Date:   Fri 7 Aug 20:03

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saltonsgonagetu, Fri 7 Aug 19:49

Aberdeen were to have the Covid 8 missing plus Considine suspended and 2 main strikers injured .
So Aberdeen will have most back for the replayed game ,and Saints miss out on hospitality booked for this game .


What hospitality would have been booked?


St Johnston may benefit if the crowds are back when the game is rescheduled
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 00:08

I did read all the posts, do you think the spfl are going to check every pub in every town or city to see if players are going out to pubs , I agree that they should be severely dealt with but I dont think punishing the club is the road to go down.

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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 00:26

Incredibly harsh on St Johnstone. They should at the very least got to play a depleted Aberdeen team or got a routine 3-0 win for Aberdeen being unable to fulfill the fixture.
I cannot understand the Aberdeen players involved, firstly beaten by their biggest rivals and an awful performance into the bargain and they decide to go on the lash in the city centre. Secondly, why even put yourself in that situation? I don't know the finer details but Sturgeon suggested they broke rules and guidance that was agreed for the return of the SPFL. Assuming that was to prevent a situation like this.

Awight Pat!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 01:43

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MDCCCLXXXV, Sat 8 Aug 00:08

I did read all the posts, do you think the spfl are going to check every pub in every town or city to see if players are going out to pubs , I agree that they should be severely dealt with but I dont think punishing the club is the road to go down.


You just don't get it, do you? The only way any football gets to be played is if the clubs and their players adhere to the rules that the SG set out. The clubs employ these players and if they can't ensure their employees are following the rules they need to be punished until they do.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 02:41

If teams have squads of 20+ and fall faul of the rules then they should field a team ,its their prob that they cant play their best 11
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 06:38

Simply those players who represented Aberdeen FC should have known the rules set out by the government of player bubbles as agreed. The risk was clear of cross infections if those rules were broken not just to Aberdeen but to the opposing teams and their players. The behaviour has brought the game into disrepute.
If they were not in football and subjected to the same rules of employment these boys would be facing the sack just now.
The ramifications of this are huge and a wake up call to every club in Scotland of how players now cannot conform to normal life if they want to have football back.
This also shows the fragility of lower league clubs being able to return in 2 short months without the same restrictions.
Aberdeen have done a great disservice to the Scottish game due to neglect and should be punished by a points deduction. This sends and immediate unequivocal message to everybody in the game that it cannot be tolerated.
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Topic Originator: AJ27  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 07:29

“If they were not in football they would be facing the sack just now” - there are many people in Aberdeen self isolating just now - many of them because they knowingly broke social distancing rules in pubs - this will be causing difficulties to several employers especially as we are in the main holiday period - there would though be a huge public outcry if any of these people were sacked as a result.

What I can’t get my head around is that St Johnstone have to wait until Aberdeen get their full strength team back yet Hamilton and Celtic can play their weakened one.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: Stoo  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 07:34

I think an investigation into the procedures, measures and rules laid out, to its players and staff, by the football club should be carried out.

If those measures are clear and correct then the players should be punished, not the club.

If the rules were vague or whatever, then the club should be sanctioned or docked the points.

I very much doubt the club left the rules open to interpretation in such a way that these lads thought it was cool to head out mob handed to the boozer.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 07:51

I have no sympathy for Aberdeen, they should have played a weakend team. However what happens if a part time team has players who have caught the virus whilst doing their day job. These teams will possibly not have the squad of players to fill their bench.

matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 08:35

"I think an investigation into the procedures, measures and rules laid out, to its players and staff, by the football club should be carried out."

Have the rules and guidelines for social behaviour etc. not been clearly enough laid out by the government over many weeks ?

Aberdeen FC will not have been negligent in that area.
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Topic Originator: DBA  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 08:40

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AJ27, Sat 8 Aug 07:29

“If they were not in football they would be facing the sack just now” - there are many people in Aberdeen self isolating just now - many of them because they knowingly broke social distancing rules in pubs - this will be causing difficulties to several employers especially as we are in the main holiday period - there would though be a huge public outcry if any of these people were sacked as a result.
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You're missing the point. The Aberdeen players had clear guidance to stay in the 'football bubble' and not go out. They broke the rules that allows their employer to operate as normal, and in any other business their jobs would be considered due to the blatant disregard.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 09:04

Even if they'd not been infected by the virus their irresponsoble behaviour would not have gone unnoticed or unreported.
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 Re: Aberdeen player...
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 10:23

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da_no_1, Sat 8 Aug 01:43

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I did read all the posts, do you think the spfl are going to check every pub in every town or city to see if players are going out to pubs , I agree that they should be severely dealt with but I dont think punishing the club is the road to go down.


You just don't get it, do you? The only way any football gets to be played is if the clubs and their players adhere to the rules that the SG set out. The clubs employ these players and if they can't ensure their employees are following the rules they need to be punished until they do.




I get exactly what your saying, And agree with most of it, I just dont agree that punishing the clubs with points deductions is the way forward

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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 10:32

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Seems all the Cove Rangers squad was in one of the pubs.


This is correct. In fact it was the pub that later on was the source of the outbreak - The Hawthorn Bar.

However, they did it properly. They hired the bar in question for the night so were the only people other than bar staff in the pub. So they technically stayed within their football bubble.

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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 10:34

As for deducting points or awarding games that's a dangerous route to go down. Imagine the carry on if this happened to The Rangers or Celtic.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 10:37

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MDCCCLXXXV, Sat 8 Aug 00:08

I did read all the posts, do you think the spfl are going to check every pub in every town or city to see if players are going out to pubs , I agree that they should be severely dealt with but I dont think punishing the club is the road to go down.


You just don't get it, do you? The only way any football gets to be played is if the clubs and their players adhere to the rules that the SG set out. The clubs employ these players and if they can't ensure their employees are following the rules they need to be punished until they do.




I get exactly what your saying, And agree with most of it, I just dont agree that punishing the clubs with points deductions is the way forward


The final outcome as an earlier poster said that it may not be possible anyway to dock points, but my anger towards these players and the setback they have caused Scottish football is highly frustrating.
Well paid professionals at a well run club. It really beggars belief how stupid these guys are. They were told by the club, government and no doubt others, yet they planned and decided to go. There was a Watford player who is shielding his child and did not join initially with the training, etc. How would he feel if he was a player who had come off the park and then learned due to irresponsible behaviour of an opposing player he had to quarantine. If this is reflective of how these players are responsible then Derek McInnes has some hard decisions to make.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 10:37

Tbh I'd expect them to forfeit any games they couldn't fulfill if their players had been in the pub or broken any other rules and contracted Covid.
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Topic Originator: Socks  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 10:48

I don't think that's reasonable either. Clubs can be hed responsible for specific actions of players directly relating to their employment at the times when they are acting on behalf of the club, but unless Aberdeen have in some way been negligent in this, I don't really see how a sanction against the club can be fair. Is there any evidence that they have been negligent?

Hamilton were once deducted 15 points when they couldn't play a match because of a player strike - that was entirely different, because the players went on strike because of what was happening at the club and therefore actions of the club directly resulted in this happening. For those who think the club should be sanctioned here, what, if anything, should the club have done differently? If the answer is 'I don't know' or 'nothing', then it seems illogical to me to want to impose some penalty.

I'm still unclear as to what rule, specific to football, has been broken here. I heard Derek McInnes yesterday and he said it was to do with a meeting of more than a certain number of housefholds, but that's a general thing and not specific to football. The whole thing from a government level just seems wrong and illogical. If you dictate that only 4 househlds can meet up at a time, why would you allow pubs to open, when this is inevitably going to be an indoor space where more than 4 households are represented at any time?



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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 11:00

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Socks, Sat 8 Aug 10:48

I don't think that's reasonable either. Clubs can be hed responsible for specific actions of players directly relating to their employment at the times when they are acting on behalf of the club, but unless Aberdeen have in some way been negligent in this, I don't really see how a sanction against the club can be fair. Is there any evidence that they have been negligent?

Hamilton were once deducted 15 points when they couldn't play a match because of a player strike - that was entirely different, because the players went on strike because of what was happening at the club and therefore actions of the club directly resulted in this happening. For those who think the club should be sanctioned here, what, if anything, should the club have done differently? If the answer is 'I don't know' or 'nothing', then it seems illogical to me to want to impose some penalty.

I'm still unclear as to what rule, specific to football, has been broken here. I heard Derek McInnes yesterday and he said it was to do with a meeting of more than a certain number of housefholds, but that's a general thing and not specific to football. The whole thing from a government level just seems wrong and illogical. If you dictate that only 4 househlds can meet up at a time, why would you allow pubs to open, when this is inevitably going to be an indoor space where more than 4 households are represented at any time?


The rule they broke. Footballers are in a bubble. To go to a very very busy bar clearly takes them out of this bubble. Now I couldn't recognise an Aberdeen footballer if I fell over him despite living in Aberdeen. However, there were probably loads of supporters in the bar. Do you think they were avoiding them? So by interacting with the public in an enclosed space they broke the basic rule.
Now if you see the Cove Rangers post. They were out celebrating their promotion. They hired the whole bar so little or no interaction with the public. Not breaking the rules. Bubble maintained.

If what you say about McInnes reaction is true then I wonder about his understanding of the rules

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Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 11:01

If they are self isolating they should be classed as being injured, Aberdeen should have been ordered to play the fixture with the resources available to them. If they had sufficient players to field a team then the match should have gone ahead

If the eight players out meant that they could not fulfil the fixture only then should they have been able to request a postponement (the probability is that there would have been several other players come forward with various injuries)
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 11:02

The club is responsible for fulfilling its fixtures. If it cant do that because it's players have gone out on the lash then one of two things have happened:

1) the club hasn't given them clear guidance on what is or isnt acceptable
2) the club has given them clear guidance and the players have ignored it.

Under scenario 1 I'd say that is the clubs fault and they should forfeit the game.

Under scenario 2 I'd have sympathy for the club but it's up to them to enforce the guidelines. The club has an obligation to the rest of the league to fulfil its fixtures. How it polices that internally is entirely up to them but it looks like a light touch (which most clubs would use) hasn't worked.

If games get cancelled because of the actions of its staff then its ultimately responsible for the actions of its staff. Their staff have breached their obligations to the extent that the First Minister is talking about them on TV. As an extreme example Sir Alex Ferguson turned up at parties hunting down his players..

St Johnstone are now going to have to find a time to play that game when Aberdeen will have had their players back from suspension and probably play 3 games within a much more condensed period of time which will impact their preparedness.
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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 11:11

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londonparsfan, Sat 8 Aug 11:02

The club is responsible for fulfilling its fixtures. If it cant do that because it's players have gone out on the lash then one of two things have happened:

1) the club hasn't given them clear guidance on what is or isnt acceptable
2) the club has given them clear guidance and the players have ignored it.

Under scenario 1 I'd say that is the clubs fault and they should forfeit the game.

Under scenario 2 I'd have sympathy for the club but it's up to them to enforce the guidelines. The club has an obligation to the rest of the league to fulfil its fixtures. How it polices that internally is entirely up to them but it looks like a light touch (which most clubs would use) hasn't worked.

If games get cancelled because of the actions of its staff then its ultimately responsible for the actions of its staff. Their staff have breached their obligations to the extent that the First Minister is talking about them on TV. As an extreme example Sir Alex Ferguson turned up at parties hunting down his players..

St Johnstone are now going to have to find a time to play that game when Aberdeen will have had their players back from suspension and probably play 3 games within a much more condensed period of time which will impact their preparedness.


But Aberdeen were happy to fulfill their fixture. They did not request a cancellation. They said they had a big enough squad to play the game. Outside forces cancelled the game. You can't really then penalise the club.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 11:14

That's actually a fair point but the guidelines agreed with the Government have been breached to the extent that the Governemnt has had to get involved with the football authorities.

Ultimately the game is off due to the actions of their players and they have to carry the can for it. A bit harsh? Yes.
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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 11:28

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londonparsfan, Sat 8 Aug 11:14

That's actually a fair point but the guidelines agreed with the Government have been breached to the extent that the Governemnt has had to get involved with the football authorities.

Ultimately the game is off due to the actions of their players and they have to carry the can for it. A bit harsh? Yes.


But they were happy to play the game. So it's the actions of the authorities that ultimately cancelled the game not AFC. If they felt their squad was able to cope then should they not be allowed to play.
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Topic Originator: Socks  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 11:29

Football players might be 'in a bubble', but I've genuinely seen nothing specific as to what this actually means. I happened to hear the start of Sportsound on the way home from work and it played a section of Derek McInnes's media briefing in which he was asked what rule had been broken and the answer was as I said above. So either there isn't anything specifically more restrictive than applies to the general population, or there is and not everyone in the game is aware of it. If anyone has seen football-specific rules published anywhere, I'd be interested in seeing them too.

I absolutely accept that it's absolutely stupid for any player to be in a busy pub, but then I'd say it's pretty stupid for anyone else to be in that situation as well. And also pretty stupid that these places have been allowed to open at all, in such a way that allows this to happen.

If any club hasn't given clear guidance based on whatever rules have been specified to them then yes, I'd agree there is a case for a game to be forfeited. If players have ignored guidance, I just don't think you can say it's up to a club to enforce it because it's completely impossible for any employer to keep track of what its employees are doing in their free time on a Saturday night. Certainly it's not ideal for St Johnstone, but given the wider situation in Aberdeen I was surprised this game was intended to go ahead at all. When restrictions are imposed locally, it would seem more logical not to have any teams travelling in or out of there to play a match.
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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 11:32

Other than the football bubble which allows players to interact with each other, all the other rules apply to them.
The bubble does not allow them to socialise any be different in from anyone else
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Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 11:56

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1970par, Sat 08 Aug 11:01

If they are self isolating they should be classed as being injured, Aberdeen should have been ordered to play the fixture with the resources available to them. If they had sufficient players to field a team then the match should have gone ahead

If the eight players out meant that they could not fulfil the fixture only then should they have been able to request a postponement (the probability is that there would have been several other players come forward with various injuries)


It was a government decision on health grounds to postpone the game. It wasn’t a sporting decision.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 11:58

"Off The Ball" will be entertaining !!!
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 15:15

Story changing from "bar" to "Italian restaurant "🤔
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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 16:41

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LochgellyAlbert, Sat 8 Aug 15:15

Story changing from "bar" to "Italian restaurant "🤔


They were in Soul Bar. There are photos of them in Soul Bar. Hey Soul Bar sells Italian food among other kinds. If they were in an Italian restaurant why was this not on the list of affected premises?
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Topic Originator: DBA  
Date:   Sat 8 Aug 23:25

The statement from the players is pretty disappointing. To include the phrase "no one could have foreseen the Covid outbreak in Aberdeen" or words to that effect is a poor attempt to justify their behaviour.

Very disappointed Aberdeen have supported that statement. Should have been as simple as "we fecked up, we're sorry and can't apologise enough".

It's poor all round, especially given that I'm sure the Scottish Government are now considering whether our league (I.e. any league including part-time players) can go ahead given the lack of bubble that is possible.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sun 9 Aug 07:50

Never did I expect to see “stupid” and “footballer” in the same sentence

The opening of pubs is a disaster for the containment of the virus but I understand the financial impact of not doing so




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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sun 9 Aug 09:12

"Should have been as simple as "we fecked up, we're sorry and can't apologise enough".

Correct.
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Topic Originator: Darrenwntr1984  
Date:   Sun 9 Aug 09:16

Was always always going to happen as silly as it sounds everyone been locked up for ages and these lads just wanted some time together as a unit and went about it the wrong way, they will regret it absolutely, can other teams and pros learn from it yes absolutely .

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Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Sun 9 Aug 10:17

That statement is a joke. No, you maybe couldn't forsee the outbreak but part of the three way agreement that allowed football to get back was that the players and staff would stay away from lagw gatherings and the like. It was also very clear that the SG wanted groups kept to a few households, not 8 different ones. They have messed up and for what? People go on about league sizes, gage sharing, etc. as reasons why Scotland hasn't qualified for a major tournament in so long, but this incident highlights the lack of professionalism and bloody-minded stupidity of our so called top players (some of the guys out are international players and senior pros). There needs to be a discussion about that after the fall out, and the sooner the players realise how good an opportunity they have the better.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 9 Aug 10:40

Do we know all 8 met at the same time?

Player A could have visited Player B who then visited Player C etc.

This is why the golf rules are daft. You can't play more than one person yet could play 7 different people in a week.
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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Sun 9 Aug 11:35

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jake89, Sun 9 Aug 10:40

Do we know all 8 met at the same time?

Player A could have visited Player B who then visited Player C etc.

This is why the golf rules are daft. You can't play more than one person yet could play 7 different people in a week.


Eh.. they were all in the pub at the same time. Sitting together drinking. They were photographed with Aberdeen supporters. Didn't think there was really any doubt about that
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sun 9 Aug 12:06

What Kelty said at 10:17.
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Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Sun 9 Aug 12:34

Mickey devlin is also vice chair of the players union as well, hardly setting an example.
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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Sun 9 Aug 13:31

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jake89, Sun 9 Aug 10:40

Do we know all 8 met at the same time?

Player A could have visited Player B who then visited Player C etc.

This is why the golf rules are daft. You can't play more than one person yet could play 7 different people in a week.


Surely you recognise golf is one of the easiest sports to keep a social distance. You can easily stay 2m or even 4m apart during a game. There is no need for close contact.
I played a game and the only time I even saw my partner was on the tee and green, both of which are large enough to stay apart.
We both took hand sanitisers with us and only one of us touched the flag and then used the gel.
Very easy really.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 9 Aug 14:01

I felt sorry for Derek McInnes. Mind you, I think he was as annoyed that the players weren't bothered about mixing with fans after a home defeat to Rangers as he was about the breach of the coronavirus guidelines.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 9 Aug 14:13

Jake89 just not getting it

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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sun 9 Aug 19:56

"Mickey devlin is also vice chair of the players union as well, hardly setting an example."

I heard that on Sportsound - unreal.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 9 Aug 20:00

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moviescot, Sun 9 Aug 13:31

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jake89, Sun 9 Aug 10:40

Do we know all 8 met at the same time?

Player A could have visited Player B who then visited Player C etc.

This is why the golf rules are daft. You can't play more than one person yet could play 7 different people in a week.


Surely you recognise golf is one of the easiest sports to keep a social distance. You can easily stay 2m or even 4m apart during a game. There is no need for close contact.
I played a game and the only time I even saw my partner was on the tee and green, both of which are large enough to stay apart.
We both took hand sanitisers with us and only one of us touched the flag and then used the gel.
Very easy really.


That's what I mean. Why limit it to two players rather than four? Easy to distance and how is it any different to playing four people over a couple of days? Assume it must have been relaxed by now but that's how it was at the first easing of lockdown.
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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Sun 9 Aug 22:48

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jake89, Sun 9 Aug 10:40

Do we know all 8 met at the same time?

Player A could have visited Player B who then visited Player C etc.

This is why the golf rules are daft. You can't play more than one person yet could play 7 different people in a week.


Surely you recognise golf is one of the easiest sports to keep a social distance. You can easily stay 2m or even 4m apart during a game. There is no need for close contact.
I played a game and the only time I even saw my partner was on the tee and green, both of which are large enough to stay apart.
We both took hand sanitisers with us and only one of us touched the flag and then used the gel.
Very easy really.


That's what I mean. Why limit it to two players rather than four? Easy to distance and how is it any different to playing four people over a couple of days? Assume it must have been relaxed by now but that's how it was at the first easing of lockdown.


I agree to an extent. However, it is all about minimising risk. 2 is less of a risk than 4 so that made sense. We have to take small steps not huge leaps.
Not managing bars properly turns out could be a leap too far

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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Mon 10 Aug 16:15

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da_no_1, Sun 9 Aug 14:13

Jake89 just not getting it


Jake is the 2nd person on this thread that you have accused of "not getting it"

Not getting what?

This is a forum, where people discuss things, we dont have to agree with everything you seem to "get" no1

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Mon 10 Aug 16:25

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da_no_1, Sun 9 Aug 14:13

Jake89 just not getting it


Jake is the 2nd person on this thread that you have accused of "not getting it"

Not getting what?

This is a forum, where people discuss things, we dont have to agree with everything you seem to "get" no1


Oh calm down.

He clearly missed the media reporting that the players were all pictured together in the same location.

I don't agree with you. The club should be punished for its employees failing to observe safety guidelines.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 10 Aug 16:52

That's not a case of "not getting it". It's a case of not being aware of the full picture. That's why I asked the question about how it happened as there are multiple scenarios whereby 8 people could be in contact with each other. A better response would have been for you to simply advise what had been reported in the first place.
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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Mon 10 Aug 17:34

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da_no_1, Mon 10 Aug 16:25

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MDCCCLXXXV, Mon 10 Aug 16:15

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da_no_1, Sun 9 Aug 14:13

Jake89 just not getting it


Jake is the 2nd person on this thread that you have accused of "not getting it"

Not getting what?

This is a forum, where people discuss things, we dont have to agree with everything you seem to "get" no1


Oh calm down.

He clearly missed the media reporting that the players were all pictured together in the same location.

I don't agree with you. The club should be punished for its employees failing to observe safety guidelines.


I cant get any more calm no1 as am currently using fluoxetine and amitriptyline.

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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Mon 10 Aug 20:01

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jake89, Mon 10 Aug 16:52

That's not a case of "not getting it". It's a case of not being aware of the full picture. That's why I asked the question about how it happened as there are multiple scenarios whereby 8 people could be in contact with each other. A better response would have been for you to simply advise what had been reported in the first place.


Just what I did.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 10 Aug 20:13

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jake89, Mon 10 Aug 16:52

That's not a case of "not getting it". It's a case of not being aware of the full picture. That's why I asked the question about how it happened as there are multiple scenarios whereby 8 people could be in contact with each other. A better response would have been for you to simply advise what had been reported in the first place.


Just what I did.


Yep and appreciate you clarifying. Also noticed the posts further up saying about them all being in the same pub. Sheer laziness on my part.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Mon 10 Aug 20:19

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jake89, Mon 10 Aug 20:13

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jake89, Mon 10 Aug 16:52

That's not a case of "not getting it". It's a case of not being aware of the full picture. That's why I asked the question about how it happened as there are multiple scenarios whereby 8 people could be in contact with each other. A better response would have been for you to simply advise what had been reported in the first place.


Just what I did.


Yep and appreciate you clarifying. Also noticed the posts further up saying about them all being in the same pub. Sheer laziness on my part.


Yeah I can be a right smart arsed dick sometimes. Apologies

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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Mon 10 Aug 21:50

Glad we can agree on something no1.

Just kidding , I just dont like anyone ripping into anybody for asking a question.


100% respect for putting your hand up and apologising to Jake.

My cap is doffed sir

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 14 Aug 16:09

The Aberdeen 8 have been fined by the club and the fines donated to NHS Grampian.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53777047

This may be one of the things necessary to appease the Scottish Government.
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