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 EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 12 Oct 07:19

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54499998

This must have a chance of going through - money talks - but it's quite disturbing that a small number of rich clubs may be able to push through radical changes by simply bribing smaller clubs, at a time when they're struggling to keep their heads above the water, due to this pandemic.

Eta. Link problem hasn't been fixed yet. You can access it yourselves, but I can't activate it as it simply disappears.



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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 12 Oct 07:52

They're clearly getting read to let Rangers and Celtic in 😂
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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: RhinoPars  
Date:   Mon 12 Oct 08:02

Giving the big six what in effect would be the power to push through whatever suits them would be a very bad move for all the other clubs. To some extent this could be a bit of a Trojan Horse and they may be keeping the worst of their "reforms" till later when they have the voting power to streamroller what they want through. Still look at what happened in Scotland. The chance all the other clubs had to reform the voting system was not taken when Rangers were not in the top league. Let.s hope the smaller clubs don.t give away their ability to influence what happens going forward for short term money.

I can see a case for an 18 team top league, 2 relegated and 3rd bottom goes into play off league. While many teams can.t realistically hope to win the league more can put together good cup runs. Would not like to see League Cup scrapped. Also spreading money down to the other leagues and doing it more evenly (rather than with parachute payments) seems a good idea. Thus there may be merit in some aspects of the proposal. However as GG suggests this may be an attempt to get controlling power into the hands of a few big clubs at a time when many smaller clubs are in financial difficulties.



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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 12 Oct 08:49

No surprise to see this coming from Man United and Liverpool with Rick Parry being cheerleader in chief for this guff. He seems to forget that he's not Liverpool's chief exec anymore and his principal job isn't to try and find ways to make them more money.

Fortunately Arsenal, Chelsea and City apparently aren't keen. Pushing more money down through the pyramid would never be a bad thing but there's nothing wrong with the league and cup set up.

Handing over the power to make decisions to 6 teams with input from another two would be a disaster and would just hand outright control to less than half the league's teams who are always going to act in their own interest.

Opportunism at its worst using the financial difficulties caused by Covid to try and dangle the incentive of more money at the lower league teams to push it through.
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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Mon 12 Oct 11:37

Is the 25 per cent money share to the EFL a one off .....or a yearly 25 per cent

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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 12 Oct 11:54

I think its all future TV deals but I suspect one of the first things that the big clubs will aim to do is to allow themselves greater autonomy to sell the rights to their domestic games similar to what they've done for the international rights rather than the collective PL deals that you see now. This would in turn devalue the 25% for the EFL.
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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 12 Oct 11:57

I hadn't seen it but its already in there:

9. Premier League clubs would have exclusive rights to sell eight live matches a season directly to fans via their digital platforms in all international territories (this excludes the UK), while all Premier League and Championship clubs would be allowed to show limited in-match highlights on their own digital platforms

It would only be a matter of time before thats extended IMO.
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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Mon 12 Oct 13:12

They are in essence trying to do what Rangers and Celtic do, control all the big decisions and make sure they line their pockets

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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 12 Oct 13:24

Yep. In a nutshell that's it. Won't end well although the "end" will be a long way off.
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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Mon 12 Oct 13:27

For the sake of the game, kill this proposal dead now! Otherwise, what little integrity that is left, will very quickly be gone,

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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 12 Oct 15:20

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1970par, Mon 12 Oct 13:12

They are in essence trying to do what Rangers and Celtic do, control all the big decisions and make sure they line their pockets


Exactly what I told my brother this morning - word for word. 🙂



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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Mon 12 Oct 17:23

Remember all the teams voted for the Scottish way, it’s not like the old firm made the decision. We all have made our bed with that now when forming spfl. Teams had an opportunity, but as usual too easy option.

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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 12 Oct 17:26

Absolutely. You get what you vote for. Too many teams voted in their own self interest.
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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Mon 12 Oct 17:37

No doubt this will be seen by the gruesome twosome as a glimmer of hope that they will be allowed to join when in fact it actually looks even further away.

Can you imagine that they would cut the league by two clubs then increase it again by two to let them in? no chance

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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Mon 12 Oct 20:56

Quote:

GG Riva, Mon 12 Oct 07:19

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54499998

This must have a chance of going through - money talks - but it's quite disturbing that a small number of rich clubs may be able to push through radical changes by simply bribing smaller clubs, at a time when they're struggling to keep their heads above the water, due to this pandemic.

Eta. Link problem hasn't been fixed yet. You can access it yourselves, but I can't activate it as it simply disappears.




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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Tue 13 Oct 05:24

I think it’s great that the big clubs are going to bail out the wee ones. Watch as the sky subscription fee gets even higher.

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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Tue 13 Oct 09:06

Interesting from Nigel Travis :-

Some EFL clubs will "disappear within five to six weeks" unless they get financial support, says Nigel Travis, chairman of League Two Leyton Orient.

He also said .Project Big Picture. - a plan by Liverpool and Manchester United to reform the English football pyramid - was a "great proposal".

The idea includes reducing the Premier League to 18 clubs and scrapping the EFL Cup.

In return, the EFL would get 25. of all future TV deals plus a £250m bail-out.

Listen: .Clubs will go into administration by January without help. - Peterborough owner

"If clubs don.t get something soon you will see clubs disappear, I would predict, within 5-6 weeks," Travis told BBC Radio 5 Live.

But he added: "One thing I need to quash is, this isn.t about the pandemic, this is about a crisis in football that goes back many years.

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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 13 Oct 09:19

The £250 immediate bail out is coming via a loan against the Premier League. That works out at each PL club being on the hook for £12.5m each which is peanuts in todays footballing world. If they really wanted to support the leagues without any gain that could have been donkeys ago.

On the TV front the increase to 25% sounds great but if every club is essentially going to commercialise their 8 biggest games a season on their own, what is left exclusively for TV and how much is that worth?

Almost every big game for each club including derbys will likely be sold by their own club unless there is some sort of protection I'm missing that stops that happening.

Some clubs that know they'll never get near the PL appear to be just looking at the money rather than the structure of the game. It really is Scotland all over again.
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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Tue 13 Oct 09:51

Good post LPF

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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 13 Oct 09:56

Sounds like a bribe to me. Accept a crap deal to keep you alive.
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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 13 Oct 10:21

Yeah, blatant opportunism by the biggest clubs.

I think they're forgetting why the EPL is so successful.

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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 13 Oct 10:28

There.s an impassioned rant on the subject by Ian Holloway, now manager of Grimsby Town, available via the BBC Sport website.

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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 13 Oct 22:14

Bit of good news - apparently the FA were involved in the early stages of the discussions but when it became apparent what the overall goal was they dropped out and are now prepared to use their golden share to scunner the whole sorry proposal.
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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Wed 14 Oct 15:27

Plans to channel money from the new Premier League Pay-Per-View games into lower-league football clubs have been scrapped, because of the fallout from Project Big Picture, Sky Sports News has been told.

The executive from one Premier League club has told us proposals were due to be discussed whereby club revenues from all Pay-Per-View games would be immediately channelled to help clubs in Leagues One and Two.

But he says those plans have now been postponed, with the focus in Wednesday's Premier League Shareholder meeting shifting instead to the issues that arise from Project Big Picture - which include separate plans to help increase funding for the EFL.

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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 14 Oct 15:43

That should ratchet up the financial pressure on the smaller clubs nicely.

The bottom ten Premier League clubs should just secure a £250 million quid loan over x amount of years and provide the support to the lower league themselves. Its a bit drastic and would sting a bit to start with but they each have potentially far more to lose than £25 million + interest spread over 5 to 10 years.

It would remove the immediate leverage that PL has over the desperate smaller clubs and they'd also be able to claim the moral high ground publicly even if the move was driven by their own self interest.
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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Wed 14 Oct 16:01

I'm surprised they don't want a set amount of clubs with no relegation run like NFL

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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 14 Oct 16:11

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MDCCCLXXXV, Wed 14 Oct 16:01

I'm surprised they don't want a set amount of clubs with no relegation run like NFL


Don't be giving them any ideas, Roman1985. 🙂



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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 14 Oct 16:21

That'll be the European Super League with protection for clubs like AC Milan that used to be good but aren't any more. The world needs these big historic classy clubs..
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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Wed 14 Oct 16:21

C'mon GG, your an intelligent guy ...

Its Roman 1885 🙂

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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 14 Oct 16:25

Have you read GGs posts 😉
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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Wed 14 Oct 16:58

Actual lol moment LPF

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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 14 Oct 17:05

Hehehe its your turn G.G.

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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 14 Oct 17:12

I've never had a .Net nemisis. Bring it 😀
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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 14 Oct 18:07

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Buspasspar, Wed 14 Oct 17:05

Hehehe its your turn G.G.


Not at all, lpf and Roman 1885 are two good guys and you are our very own Victor Meldrew. 😉

I could have blamed it on a typo, but the truth of the matter is that my Auldtimer's is beginning to kick in..... ☹



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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 14 Oct 18:12

I don.t believe it !!!

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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 14 Oct 18:20

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londonparsfan, Wed 14 Oct 16:21

That'll be the European Super League with protection for clubs like AC Milan that used to be good but aren't any more. The world needs these big historic classy clubs..


Actually, you may not be very wide of the mark with your flippant observation, lpf.

In 2013, I predicted we'd have a European Super League, with 20 or so big, rich clubs, within 10 years. There was a lot of scepticism on here. My prediction was based on the fact that these same clubs had banded together to form a European Club Association. Admission was by invitation only and their raison d'etre was to put pressure on UEFA to further their own ends. UEFA managed to head off the European Super League by introducing more games in the CL and seeding designed to favour the big Western European clubs. Recently, UEFA have ceded even more ground, by giving special status to past winners, like the two Milanese clubs, who struggle to qualify these days.

I believe the reason the likes of Man U and Liverpool want to reduce the number of domestic league games is to free up more dates for a more crowded European calendar, in some kind of precursor to a ESL.

Watch this space.



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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 14 Oct 19:26

It was flippant but I share your view mate and the proposals are already out there. I think its just a matter of time before its squeezed in.

Clearing space in the calendar by culling two teams and a cup competition opens up the dates to make it happen.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Wed 14 Oct 19:33

I think the logical step by the big clubs is to move european games at the weekend ,and move domestic league fixtures

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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Thu 15 Oct 00:19

Apparently all of the PL clubs have unanimously agreed to reject the proposals in today's vote including United and Liverpool.

Now working collaboratively on new proposals on how to take the game forward. Looks like the plan was an opening gambit that had some things United and Liverpool would happily drop.
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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 15 Oct 16:33

..Apparently all of the PL clubs have unanimously agreed to reject the proposals in today.s vote including United and Liverpool.

Now working collaboratively on new proposals on how to take the game forward. Looks like the plan was an opening gambit that had some things United and Liverpool would happily drop...

I agree, lpf. They threw in a hotchpotch of half baked ideas, sweetened by a not inconsiderable sum of money to be divided among clubs who have little or no income at this time and are staring into the abyss, to see how many would bite.

The League 1 and 2 clubs nearly bit their hands off and the EFL appeared to be generally in favour. The smaller EPL clubs saw right through this crooked sham, but now the so-called Big Six have a better idea of what might work and what concessions the rest may be prepared to make, in return for a bigger share of the TV cake.

I wonder if the Big Six would have entertained an application from two Scottish clubs, had the Liverpool/Man U proposal gone through?



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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 15 Oct 19:03

Rangers and Celtic bring too much baggage and not enough benefits. Plus it would be grossly unfair on similar sized clubs in England and Wales to give the Rangers and Celtic a free pass into the EPL.
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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Thu 15 Oct 19:17

Yes Jake but it would get them to feck out of our leagues🥰

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 Re: EPL Proposal
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 16 Oct 07:38

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jake89, Thu 15 Oct 19:03

Rangers and Celtic bring too much baggage and not enough benefits. Plus it would be grossly unfair on similar sized clubs in England and Wales to give the Rangers and Celtic a free pass into the EPL.


I don't disagree with you at all, Jake, but would any hypothetical,decision on their admission not depend on how much relative weight the owners of the Big Six attributed to the benefits relative to the baggage?

The point I was trying to make is that if the decision rested solely with the elite clubs, any application would have a far greater chance of success than one involving all 20 Premiership clubs, due the turkeys voting for Christmas scenario.



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