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 Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 12:25

I wouldn't normally go out of my way to watch this game, but with the Pars game off and this Covid crepe, I'm making an exception.

Last chance saloon for Lennon and the Sellick.....



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 12:28

I don’t like anything to do with the old firm but a Celtic win would shut up the other half and her families side. Can’t see it happening though.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 12:33

Fancy a draw myself

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 12:39

Is there any way they can both lose?

The only scenario I can see that may benefit us is a Celtic win (which gives then renewed hope for 10 in a row) but one of the Celtic strikers injures himself and is out for a few months.

This means Celtic must replace striker ASAP as they’re back in the hunt and put in silly offer for Nisbet £££

Edited to say don’t want Griffiths injured for Scotland so it’ll have to be the other laddy! 🤔

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 12:42

Morelos tackle.......what an absolute scumbag he really is

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 13:00

All celtic but no goals yet

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: dd23  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 13:08

In what capacity is Walter Smith there?
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 13:13

Probably has some sort of ambassadorial role. I assume that`s why you always see Fergie at Man Utd games. Or perhaps he has a role with Rangers TV.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 13:15

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dd23, Sat 2 Jan 13:08

In what capacity is Walter Smith there?


Ambassador of staunchness
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 13:29

He is on Rangers tv as their special guest
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 13:52

Celtic down to 10 men

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 13:53

This is where they’ll regret not converting all that first half pressure into one or two goals
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: Pars Athletic  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 13:55

That was never a red card and now they take off Griffiths who was probably there best player
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 13:56

Yellow card all day long. Shocking from the ref.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 14:00

Clear goal scoring opportunity with no attempt to play the ball. Red card all day long.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 14:02

It was only Morelos so not a goal scoring opportunity

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 14:02

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allparone, Sat 2 Jan 14:00

Clear goal scoring opportunity with no attempt to play the ball. Red card all day long.


He was out on the wing with cover in the middle.

Celtic effectively down to 8 men as Laxalt and Duffy are two of the worst players I've seen in a Celtic shirt.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 14:03

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da_no_1, Sat 02 Jan 14:02

It was only Morelos so not a goal scoring opportunity


Fair point
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 14:03

100% a red card as Morelos was through on goal an almost a certainty to score
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: Pars Athletic  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 14:03

It wasn't clear. He was closer to the touchline with a defender covering in the middle
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 14:06

Celtic should be down to 9 that was a horror tackle by Duffy
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 14:08

Duffy probably should have been off there. For all of Celtic`s dominance in the first half they really only created one chance.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: rossmcno1  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 14:10

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dd23, Sat 2 Jan 13:08

In what capacity is Walter Smith there?


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- actually laughed out loud there, well done.



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 14:11

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dafc-chris1, Sat 2 Jan 14:03

100% a red card as Morelos was through on goal an almost a certainty to score


Except he would've fell over arguing with himself. He's deranged

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 14:11

Questionable red card ruined what was an intriguing game
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 14:17

As far as the Bitton red card goes my first reaction was that it would be a yellow. Looking at it objectively though it`s hard to argue against the fact that he did deny Morelos an opportunity to score and thus had to go.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: 13en  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 14:18

It was 100% a red card he was playing on the last man and bitton grabbed him with 2 arms instead of clipping him, no intent of getting the ball. If that happened against us there’s no chance anyone here would say it’s a yellow
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 14:19

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The One Who Knocks, Sat 02 Jan 14:17

As far as the Bitton red card goes my first reaction was that it would be a yellow. Looking at it objectively though it`s hard to argue against the fact that he did deny Morelos an opportunity to score and thus had to go.


The way I saw it too. The replay showed the defender covering would never have got there. I’ll watch it again though.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 14:25

Defender makes no attempt to play the ball, clear red.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 14:28

Seeing the massive points difference between the two teams and how they`ve faired so far this season you do wonder if Celtic would have clung onto their advantage last season of the campaign hadn`t been curtailed.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 14:29

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13en, Sat 2 Jan 14:18

It was 100% a red card he was playing on the last man and bitton grabbed him with 2 arms instead of clipping him, no intent of getting the ball. If that happened against us there’s no chance anyone here would say it’s a yellow


If it happened to one of our players everyone would be saying it's a yellow.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 14:55

Which is why when you look at this incident objectively, without any bias one way or the other, it was clearly a red.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 14:58

Got to be game over for Celtic now. Even if they win all their games in hand there's still 10 points to make up.

To lose this with a man sent off and then an OG is going to be a sickener. Hope it doesn't mean the wee UB07 fandans will be out plastering their crap on all the road signs. Noticed a massive one by the council depot at Halbeath. Someone would have had to get out their car to do that. Saddo.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 15:00

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allparone, Sat 2 Jan 14:19

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The One Who Knocks, Sat 02 Jan 14:17

As far as the Bitton red card goes my first reaction was that it would be a yellow. Looking at it objectively though it`s hard to argue against the fact that he did deny Morelos an opportunity to score and thus had to go.


The way I saw it too. The replay showed the defender covering would never have got there. I’ll watch it again though.


Exactly the same way I saw it. First instinct was it was a yellow then when you see the replay there is no way the covering defender is catching him and even at a slightly more acute angle than a striker would want, it's still a clear goal scoring opportunity as he was through on goal if he wasn't taken out.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 15:07

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The One Who Knocks, Sat 2 Jan 14:55

Which is why when you look at this incident objectively, without any bias one way or the other, it was clearly a red.


I'm not bias one way or the other I hate them both equally and its a yellow.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 15:11

If it stops 10 in a row then I am happy. Just a shame it wasn’t Aberdeen or any other club.
What odds would we have got at the beginning of the season that both Rangers and Celtic change managers.
If Gerrard wins the title he will be offski to an English Premiership team and Lennon off to the dole.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 15:15

I think Gerrard would fancy a crack at the CL tbh and he won't be offered that down south.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 15:16

Gerrard only wants one job in England.



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 15:17

Definitely not a clear red - Morelos is out wide, has to take a a number of touches before shooting, covering defender, on the angle. Not a clear goal scoring opportunity in my eyes.

Those claiming it`s a red because Bitton made no attempt to play the ball don`t know the rules - that doesn`t come into consideration re: red/yellow card if it`s a free kick. It comes into play when it`s a penalty, whereby you aren`t given a straight red if the foul is a genuine attempt to play the ball.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 15:24

If it was half the distance again towards the goal then yes a red... that far out where you would still need a fair run and touches before your shot then yellow... too far out and wide for me to be straight red.

Agree that Celtics attempt to beat their rivals league run over though
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 Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 15:28

You are indeed correct. Whether he made an attempt to play the ball or not in this situation is irrelevant. It’s a definite foul, the only question that needs to be asked is “is it a clear goal scoring opportunity?” As I’ve already said I think it is but seeing it again a few times I can see it from both points of view tbh.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 15:28

The ball is curling in towards goal and Morelos has got by Biton and is bending his run towards goal, you can see from the revers angle he'd be heading towards goal.

https://youtu.be/KovP_CKGsO8

For me it's clear he's got a chance to score if he's not taken out as Ajer is ten yards too high to catch him and the goalkeeper can't come for it either.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 15:29

And Celtic away to Dubai for a winter break, how in this time of lockdowns does this happen?🤔
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 15:37

Whilst I don't think it's a great idea either, there is the Elite Sport rules that apply and are different to the rest of us.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 15:59

Quote :-
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert like | nolike
Date: Sat 2 Jan 15:29

And Celtic away to Dubai for a winter break, how in this time of lockdowns does this happen?🤔

Not only that LA they asked the Hibs game to be delayed so they could go to the training camp
Abedeen v Rangers on Sunday but Celtic won`t play Hibs until Tuesday ??

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 16:03

I didn't know that. We really do have a mickey mouse league.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 16:08

That`s because Celtic play Hibs on the Monday.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 16:10

Which should have been the Saturday though. Hibs didn't agree to the request to postpone the game and its a joke that top flight games can be postponed for friendlies or training camps at this time of the year.b
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 16:26

Just as well they don’t take into account that Morelos has never scored against Celtic. He’s also failed from a yard before.
Odious turd and hope I only have to endure him for another few months

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 16:35

Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks like | nolike
Date: Sat 2 Jan 16:08

That`s because Celtic play Hibs on the Monday.

This from the Beeb towk :-

Rangers are back in action first, with a visit to Aberdeen next Sunday (15:00 GMT). Celtic host Hibernian two days later (19:45) after asking for the fixture to be delayed so they could travel to Dubai for a training camp.

I have described nothing but what I saw myself, or learned from others of whom I made the most careful and particular enquiry.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 16:40

The rules allow games to be played between Friday and Mondays on request, if both teams don’t agree then home team gets benefit to change game. Does seem a strange time to head to Dubai and all the risks involved in international travel.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: wulliepar57  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 17:11

My views are the same as Londonpars fan The ball is definitely curling in towards the goal and Morelos has got past Bitton and is bending his run towards goal where he probably wouldn`t need a touch to have the shot on goal , you can see from the reverse angle he`d be heading towards goal.
Anyway the sending off didn`t lose Celtic the game ! it was their inability to take the good chances that they were presented , fine margins but if you want to win any game of football you need to be ruthless in front of Goal and at present Celtic seem to have lost their mojo
And they probably are away to Dubai so there isn`t another riot outside Celtic park

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 17:33

It`s definitely on the Monday night Buspass. The game is being shown on Sky.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 17:55

Seemingly some unsavoury songs being sung outside by Rangers "fans".
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 2 Jan 18:15

Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks like | nolike
Date: Sat 2 Jan 17:33

It`s definitely on the Monday night Buspass. The game is being shown on Sky.


See that now towk ...thanks ... not like the Beeb to get it wrong :)

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 07:19

A pal of mine, who is a Celtic fan, predicted that Celtic would have a man sent off, Rangers would get a penalty and win the game, when he heard that Bobby Madden had been appointed to referee the game. (He phoned me last night to say that 2 predictions out of 3 wasn`t bad.)

A bit of strawclutchery there, imo and I told him so. The red card was certainly a turning point in a game Celtic had dominated until then. Having watched it a few times, I think it was probably closer to a red than a yellow. Had it been a Pars forward, I`d have been screaming for a red. Had it been a Pars defender, I`d have been adamant that a yellow would have sufficed.

Celtic were already in a nearly hopeless position before the game. They simply had to win to retain any interest in the title. As well as that insipid display in the reverse fixture, they`ve dropped 8 points in draws, whereas Rangers have been relentless in winning 20 games out of 22. Credit to StevieG for turning them into a competitive team, who all know their role in the team and dig and scrap for each other.

The only criticism I`d make of Madden yesterday was that Morelos should already have been on a yellow when he got involved in some handbags and got one later on. Madden probably saved him getting a red by putting his arm around his chest and pushing him away from the scuffle.



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 09:16

The holding of Morelos should lead to an enquiry into Madden's ability to referee. A referee shouldn't touch a player and certainly shouldn't hold them! This is what stinks about Scottish football. Surely it's got to get to a point where certain games have to be officiated by people from a different country?
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 09:32

https://youtu.be/6SIGn2scNRU
There is a clip of the greatest ref of all time getting physical with a player.

[edited by admin - please use forward slash / for the URL :o) ]

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 09:33

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 09:58

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jake89, Sun 3 Jan 09:16

The holding of Morelos should lead to an enquiry into Madden's ability to referee. A referee shouldn't touch a player and certainly shouldn't hold them! This is what stinks about Scottish football. Surely it's got to get to a point where certain games have to be officiated by people from a different country?


When I was a kid, Madden's action would have been regarded as good refereeing, a prompt action defusing a potentially volatile situation. Today, when players may not touch a ref, surely the corollary is also true - a referee man handling a player could find himself on dodgy ground. What if Morelos had reacted badly to Madden holding him back? The ref would have had no option but to send him off in a situation he helped to create.



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 11:49

If Morelos had acted badly to Madden holding him back then surely that should still be on him? In the clip I showed of Collina punching the Czech player in the torso I`d still hold the Czech player in the wrong if he retaliated and swung a hay maker at the Italian referee.

Edited to add a thanks to Jake and Admin for correcting my link


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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 13:26

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The One Who Knocks, Sun 3 Jan 11:49

If Morelos had acted badly to Madden holding him back then surely that should still be on him? In the clip I showed of Collina punching the Czech player in the torso I`d still hold the Czech player in the wrong if he retaliated and swung a hay maker at the Italian referee.

Edited to add a thanks to Jake and Admin for correcting my link


Yes, but Madden would have left himself open to a charge of provoking a reaction from the player, which might not have been the case if he didn't intervene - not that I believe that for minute, given the Colombian's fiery personality. I'm of the opinion that refs should act as peacemakers and diffuse a situation if they can, but strictly speaking, it's not part of their remit.

Eta. Collina wasn't exactly punching Ripeka - more of a gentle poke, which didn't have the desired effect, so he had to give him the snarl and unblinking, wide-eyed stare. That always worked, as did the reaching for his top pocket. 🙂 Great ref.



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 13:32

You can see by posts on social media today that now that the dust has settled the Celtic fans are looking for their comfort blanket again. It wasn’t their fault they were beat again.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 14:13

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allparone, Sun 3 Jan 13:32

You can see by posts on social media today that now that the dust has settled the Celtic fans are looking for their comfort blanket again. It wasn’t their fault they were beat again.


It certainly wasn't the fans fault, allparone, but whose fault do they think it was?

Let me guess. Lennon? Madden? Biton? Lawwell?

OK, I give up.



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 14:21

It’s nobody within their ranks that’s to blame. Madden is the comfort blanket of choice this week. Your pal even managed to get the excuse in early. It’s funny. For nearly the last 10 years we’ve had to listen to Rangers fans telling us their plight was down to the SFA and everyone else in Scottish football being against them. They were “relegated” and have had stumbling blocks placed in front of them on their way back to the top. Celtic fans have been quite quiet during this time. All of a sudden Rangers are on top, their fans are happy with things and it’s the SFA and their employees that are anti Celtic again and that’s why they’re struggling. Gimme peace! Celtic haven’t been as good as Rangers this season and vice versa for the last 10. It’s a Celtic and Rangers problem nothing else.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 14:23

After every single dropped points this season in the league, Lennon has made comments against the referee, every single time. Always looking to blame someone else rather than his own inept decisions.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 14:33

Can see his point though.

It's one thing if the officials miss it, different story entirely when it's literally a few feet from the 4th official and directly in his line of sight.

They have all the technology going from the Agent Smith matrix earpieces to communicate with each other and there isn't even the normal 'human' element of 50,000 home fans being on your back during a local derby to influence the decision.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 14:41

I don't rate Madden very highly, but he probably got pass marks yesterday. He missed a Morelos "challenge" which was worth at least a yellow card, but the 4th official, under whose eyes it happened, should have helped him out. Biton's red card was probably justified, although I'm not as 100% certain as some former Rangers players turned pundits.

Even if Celtic had won yesterday, Rangers would still have been favourites for the title. Points in the bag and birds in the hand, eh? Lennon persisted with players who were off form or simply not good enough for far too long. If he has any say in recruitment, then the blame lies firmly and squarely with him.



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 14:47

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TAFKA_Super_Petrie, Sun 3 Jan 14:33

Can see his point though.

It's one thing if the officials miss it, different story entirely when it's literally a few feet from the 4th official and directly in his line of sight.

They have all the technology going from the Agent Smith matrix earpieces to communicate with each other and there isn't even the normal 'human' element of 50,000 home fans being on your back during a local derby to influence the decision.


Good post, TAFKA. I was typing mine when you posted, hence the duplication. It would be good to hear the 4th official's explanation, since he was standing next to Lennon who most certainly didn't miss it. This is the kind of thing which fans of a paranoid disposition feed of and as my Celtic pal likes to remind me "Just cos I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me." ☺



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 14:50

I`ve never been clear what the duties of the 4th official are. Is he supposed to help the ref with onfield decisions? Are they present at all Premiership games or only televised ones?

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 15:05

I think it was probably closer to a red than a yellow.

I think what you are describing is an Orange card, GG....

Just looked at the incident now (twice). First time I thought it was a yellow. Second time I thought it might be a red.

But what is an "obvious" goalscoring opportunity? Is the skill of the player taken into account? If Beckham or Rooney has the ball near the half-way line could they not score? Especially if the keeper is off his line? But if I had an open goal 10 yards out?

Since we`re messing with all the laws is it time to introduce an intermediate colour of card? Sent to the sin-bin? Or an enforced substitution? Maybe hard to implement, or could have unforeseen consequences.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 15:27

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wee eck, Sun 3 Jan 14:50

I`ve never been clear what the duties of the 4th official are. Is he supposed to help the ref with onfield decisions? Are they present at all Premiership games or only televised ones?


I think most of us are in the same boat as you, eck. I believe they're present at every game involving a Premiership team. If they're only there to hold up the electronic board for substitutions and to indicate the number of minutes of time added after the 90 mins, they're a bit of a waste of a wage, imo.

Should they help the ref with on field decisions? I'm reminded of Bill Shankly's wry comment when discussing the old offside law. "If he's not interfering with the play, he shouldn't be on the bloody pitch!"



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: par-ticular  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 15:38

Reading all the reasons why it should be red or yellow, you’re all forgetting the most important point “ in the opinion of the referee “. If he feels so strongly is he appealing the decision?

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: doctordandruff  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 15:52

When Celtic went down to 10 men at Ibrox under Rodgers, he stuck on an extra attacking player and pinned Rangers in their own half. They won the game. Lennon did the opposite in a game they were well on top. But its the refs fault.

Have told every moaning Celtic fan that rants about Rangers getting all the decisions is that in my time, in games versus the Pars, Celtic have had way more of the bad big decisions than Rangers have. Obviously they don't believe me.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: NikNakPar  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 17:45

I cannot stand Rangers, I genuinely hate them as a club but that is a red card all day long.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 18:28

You can fly in and out of aUK airports as we never closed the borders like other countries.

c'mon the pars

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 18:35

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You can fly in and out of aUK airports as we never closed the boarders like other countries.


And neither we should. As long as they continue to pay rent, the boarders can stay.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 18:47

although I`m not as 100% certain as some former Rangers players turned pundits.

Not sure about rangers players turned pundits, but a few ex Celtic players turned pundits said it was red, petrov said it was a red, Mark Wilson said it was a red, McFadden (not ex Celtic) also said it was a red card. John Hartson didn’t disagree either. Chris Sutton?

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: Perkins  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 18:52

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The holding of Morelos should lead to an enquiry into Madden`s ability to referee. A referee shouldn`t touch a player and certainly shouldn`t hold them!"

Pic on Madden`s instagram today of various times when he`s intervened between players about to kick off. Not sure the official rules but seems like good refereeing to diffuse a situation.

As for the red card, it`s bad defending by a midfielder playing centre half that`s forced the ref into making a decision.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 19:09

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wee eck, Sun 3 Jan 14:50

I`ve never been clear what the duties of the 4th official are. Is he supposed to help the ref with onfield decisions? Are they present at all Premiership games or only televised ones?


All four are in in the same communcation loop on the ear pieces, even some linesmen are happy just dealing with offsides and whether the ball goes out for a throwin others will be a bit more forthcoming. Douglas Ross at Ibrox a couple of years ago for example with his "RED RED RED !!" shout that you could lipread whem Sviatchenko was sent off for Celtic in another OF derby.

There was an excellent feature i saw few months ago featuring a game with all four wired up on the live TV feed. Think it was MLS or Aussie A-League and it was fascinating; all four were in constant dialogue and the referee in particular was very pragmatic and accepting / actively encouraging input and feedback from the fourth official.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 19:45

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dafc, Sun 3 Jan 18:47

although I`m not as 100% certain as some former Rangers players turned pundits.

Not sure about rangers players turned pundits, but a few ex Celtic players turned pundits said it was red, petrov said it was a red, Mark Wilson said it was a red, McFadden (not ex Celtic) also said it was a red card. John Hartson didn’t disagree either. Chris Sutton?


I concluded it was a red myself, but only after seeing it another couple of times. Neil McCann and Billy Dodds were convinced it was a stonewaller immediately. Not surprising really, just like it would be no surprise if Sutton and Co had expressed some doubts about it. Whether it's fans or former players, judgements are clouded by emotional attachment.



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 20:23

Disturbing reports - if true - now circulating that a "welcoming committee" was awaiting the Celtic team bus when it arrived at Ibrox before the game.

Allegations of shouts of "Paedos" and "Fenian Bassas" directed at the players and management team. Apparently, there was a police presence but no arrests were made.



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 21:21

Oh Jings will it ever go away :-

contains some sweary words :(

https://fanbanter.co.uk/rangers-fans-taunt-celtic-players-with-abuse-and-paedo-shouts-as-they-step-off-team-bus/

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 21:37

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GG Riva, Sun 3 Jan 20:23

Disturbing reports - if true - now circulating that a "welcoming committee" was awaiting the Celtic team bus when it arrived at Ibrox before the game.

Allegations of shouts of "Paedos" and "Fenian Bassas" directed at the players and management team. Apparently, there was a police presence but no arrests were made.


The delightful UB07 crew decided to spray paint something similar at the roundabout near Tesco at Duloch. It's right across one of the road signs.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 21:48

What better way to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Ibrox disaster.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 21:55

They were also letting off flares outside Ibrox last night. Would you believe that they'd all cleared off before the police turned up so no action was taken? 🤔
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 22:43

Doesn’t look like Celtic players were affected too much by any abuse yesterday, seem to be enjoying themselves having a few beers poolside in sunny Dubai on their training get away. Do social distancing rules apply at a public pool or they still in a bubble?

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Sun 3 Jan 23:02

Both sets of fans have their own rules, green brigade had that demonstration a few weeks ago, breached all guidelines, no arrests. Celtic green bridged had flares for a game at Celtic v rangers, Celtic and rangers fans also done this at Motherwell away games.
Large numbers and police are ineffective when it comes to both.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 4 Jan 07:16

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Doesn’t look like Celtic players were affected too much by any abuse yesterday, seem to be enjoying themselves having a few beers poolside in sunny Dubai on their training get away. Do social distancing rules apply at a public pool or they still in a bubble?


Not sure what your point is here, dafc. Are you suggesting that because the Celtic players do not appear to be visibly affected by the abuse, then it's OK? And how is your question 're social distancing relevant to this particular discussion?



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 4 Jan 07:34

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dafc, Sun 3 Jan 23:02

Both sets of fans have their own rules, green brigade had that demonstration a few weeks ago, breached all guidelines, no arrests. Celtic green bridged had flares for a game at Celtic v rangers, Celtic and rangers fans also done this at Motherwell away games.
Large numbers and police are ineffective when it comes to both.


Again, I'm struggling to understand the point you're trying to make. Both sets of fans contain some complete morons in their support - we all know that, but two wrongs never made a right. I agree that it was impractical for the police to arrest all the rabble outside Ibrox, but they could have asked them to disperse and that failure to do so would result in a hefty fine.

Shouting "Fenian b*****ds" at a diverse group of footballers must have had many of them scratching their heads in puzzlement. It is racial abuse, unacceptable and a crime in this country.

Shouting "paedos" at these same players is quite bizarre. None of them were even born when these regrettable crimes were committed by men associated with Celtic Boys Club, in an era when child abuse went unchecked at a number of football clubs and in many other walks of life where children were to be found. Many paedophiles were very skilful at working themselves into positions where they could gain access to children and indulge their sick fantasies unnoticed by other adults in the same organisation.



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Mon 4 Jan 15:57

The video in the link is disgusting, and so is the apparent disregard paid by the local police to the verbal abuse of guys going to their place of work.
Police regularly film incidents and individuals at and around football matches, and there was ample opportunity to do that outside Ibrox and arrest those involved. I strongly suspect that if the abuse had been more overtly based on the players' skin colour then action would have been taken, and rightly so.
The officers involved, and their commanding officer if he/she decided on no action, need to take a hard look at themselves - and so does Scottish society that accepts this as unremarkable.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Mon 4 Jan 16:01

Good Post Stanza

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Mon 4 Jan 16:29

The Glasgow police not doing anything about The Rangers` fans behaviour? I never thought I`d see the day.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 4 Jan 19:08

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Stanza, Mon 4 Jan 15:57

The video in the link is disgusting, and so is the apparent disregard paid by the local police to the verbal abuse of guys going to their place of work.
Police regularly film incidents and individuals at and around football matches, and there was ample opportunity to do that outside Ibrox and arrest those involved. I strongly suspect that if the abuse had been more overtly based on the players' skin colour then action would have been taken, and rightly so.
The officers involved, and their commanding officer if he/she decided on no action, need to take a hard look at themselves - and so does Scottish society that accepts this as unremarkable.


Well said, Stanza.

It's little wonder that fans of other clubs feel that the Ibrox club is a protected species and some of their "fans" can act with impunity. Has this incident been reported by national TV or newspapers? If it has I've missed it.

Sweep it under the carpet.



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: vasco  
Date:   Mon 4 Jan 19:51

If it has been reported to the BBC or STV it won`t get a mention as it`s not news. Bigotry is embedded into Scottish culture. The police are part of the problem, not the solution.

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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Mon 4 Jan 20:28

The Police in Scotland are a disgrace. It would be interesting to hear how they are briefed before a match involving Celtic or The Rangers. I witnessed some outrageous behaviour and seen Policemen witness it and turn away, pretending they have seen nothing. I remember my dad asking a Policeman what he was going to do about Rangers fans peeing where they stood in 88, and being told "shut your puss or I'll lift you". I've been at Ibrox and been showered by cups of pee from the upper tier and when the fans complained about it the copper just smirked.
Fans of Celtic and The Rangers can freely chant racist, offensive, bigoted nonsense with inpunity as the Police don't care,
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Mon 4 Jan 22:13

Was it 2-3 seasons ago where Celtic fans ripped up and were throwing seats at police at Motherwell and police said there was too many fans to go and arrest. Safety in numbers and they do as they please, always has been and always will be.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 4 Jan 22:51

It was only last season a group of our own fans were singing/shouting similar bile tbh.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 5 Jan 06:16

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dafc, Mon 4 Jan 22:13

Was it 2-3 seasons ago where Celtic fans ripped up and were throwing seats at police at Motherwell and police said there was too many fans to go and arrest. Safety in numbers and they do as they please, always has been and always will be.


There you go again, dafc. Two wrongs don't make a right. You're comparing two totally different situations, in any case. Thank you for highlighting that some Celtic fans are every bit as bad as their Ibrox counterparts, but we knew that anyway.

I suppose the emergency services top priority must be that they don't act in a way which will endanger their own lives in any given situation, but some will choose to ignore that. e.g. fire service personnel entering burning buildings to rescue people trapped inside.

Where exactly was the danger to police at Ibrox? There was no need to to arrest any of the moronic rabble - just tell them to disperse/go home. They were breaking SG guidelines by congregating in one place after all, not to mention the vile abuse being shouted at the Celtic coach party. Any who failed to heed police instructions could then be "lifted" and/or slapped with a hefty fine.



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 6 Jan 08:17

Given the criticism rightly applied to Celtic FC for their decision to go ahead with their trip to Dubai by SG Ministers, I find it strange that none of them have felt the need to condemn the appalling behaviour of a bunch of louts posing as Rangers fans outside Ibrox on Saturday mornintg.

Even more appalling is the failure of mainstream media to report the sectarian abuse directed at the Celtic party a video of which was posted on this thread by Buspass Par. Is this incident not newsworthy enough for the Scottish public?

The morons responsible will be emboldened by the apparent lack of interest shown by Police Scotland, the Scottish Government, national TV and national newspapers and are likely to turn up in even greater numbers next time, safe in the knowledge that they can act with impunity.



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Wed 6 Jan 10:04

If the police do the same as they did with the Celtic louts causing bother the other week then they’ll arrest people that were there soon. For some reason the police don’t like doing it at the time and when they do make arrests they are minimal. Out of all the Celtic fans that were causing bother only 2 arrests were made (unless there were others that weren’t reported).
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 6 Jan 12:10

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allparone, Wed 6 Jan 10:04

If the police do the same as they did with the Celtic louts causing bother the other week then they’ll arrest people that were there soon. For some reason the police don’t like doing it at the time and when they do make arrests they are minimal. Out of all the Celtic fans that were causing bother only 2 arrests were made (unless there were others that weren’t reported).


I find the scenario you depict quite bizarre, allparone.

Right, here are some idiots, breaking Covid protocols and shouting sectarian abuse. We'll just ignore them for now, but we'll pour over some poor quality video clips later, if we can be @rsed and then make a few arrests if we manage to identify some of them.

Maybe they can put in for some extra overtime, do it this way?



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Wed 6 Jan 12:18

It’s the same inside grounds. For a while now they have taken the same approach. It’s probably seen as fanning the flames in a crowd situation. It causes less bother for the police for them to arrest later. As I said I wouldn’t expect much though. The videos outside Parkhead showed Celtic fans assaulting officers, throwing objects and verbal abuse and there were only 2 arrests made. It’s no wonder that fans of both clubs continue with this behaviour when they see next to nothing gets done about it.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 6 Jan 14:53

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allparone, Wed 6 Jan 12:18

It’s the same inside grounds. For a while now they have taken the same approach. It’s probably seen as fanning the flames in a crowd situation. It causes less bother for the police for them to arrest later. As I said I wouldn’t expect much though. The videos outside Parkhead showed Celtic fans assaulting officers, throwing objects and verbal abuse and there were only 2 arrests made. It’s no wonder that fans of both clubs continue with this behaviour when they see next to nothing gets done about it.


I can understand it inside a packed stadium, up to a point. The police are seen as the enemy by some fans and they might put themselves in danger by wading in to make arrests. The situation outside Ibrox on Saturday was very different. How many fans? How many police officers? No need to arrest anyone, just politely ask them to move along or they'd be lifted. Dare I say it might have been a good idea to cordon off the front of the stadium by stationing one police vehicle and two officers at each road leading to the stadium?

My other questions remain unanswered. Why has this incident been ignored by the media and why has no minister publicly condemned the illegal and unacceptable behaviour of these Rangers fans? Is the will to stop this public shame on Scottish society really there?

I doubt it. Too many who have a platform and should be speaking out, prefer to look the other way.



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Tue 12 Jan 16:44

As I said at the time. Like the Parkhead bother the police have charged 3 people with causing bother outside Ibrox. If the link doesn’t work it’s on the STV news website.


https://news.stv.tv/west-central/three-charged-over-disorder-at-ibrox-during-old-firm-clash
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 12 Jan 18:10

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allparone, Tue 12 Jan 16:44

As I said at the time. Like the Parkhead bother the police have charged 3 people with causing bother outside Ibrox. If the link doesn’t work it’s on the STV news website.


https://news.stv.tv/west-central/three-charged-over-disorder-at-ibrox-during-old-firm-clash


3 people have been charged, when those present should have been told to bolt or they'd be arrested. They had no business being at Ibrox in the first place. The game was to be played behind closed doors. I wish I could just shrug my shoulders and say "This is the reality of Scottish football - what can we do?"

3 people charged - broken legs and sticking plasters come to mind.



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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Tue 12 Jan 18:29

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As I said at the time. Like the Parkhead bother the police have charged 3 people with causing bother outside Ibrox. If the link doesn’t work it’s on the STV news website.


https://news.stv.tv/west-central/three-charged-over-disorder-at-ibrox-during-old-firm-clash



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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 12 Jan 18:55

Perhaps the police can pull in the Celtic and Rangers fans who keep spray painting the bridge before Cowdenbeath on the A92. One day it's UB07, next it's UC06. The guy in the paint shop must be making a fortune but surely "going out for a spot of vandalism" isn't on the Scottish Government list of reasons to be outside.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 12 Jan 20:52

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allparone, Tue 12 Jan 16:44

As I said at the time. Like the Parkhead bother the police have charged 3 people with causing bother outside Ibrox. If the link doesn’t work it’s on the STV news website.


https://news.stv.tv/west-central/three-charged-over-disorder-at-ibrox-during-old-firm-clash


Well, well. Two men charged with antisocial behaviour and setting off fireworks and ONE with using sectarian language. Investigations are on going but I'm not holding my breath. Scotland's shame will continue because the will to call it out and do something about it is palpably not there. At least STV has reported it.

Where's the BBC report? Not newsworthy enough? And as for Police Scotland. What an embarrassment they are. Kick out Racism (but sectarianism is just fine.)



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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 12 Jan 23:08

Have to say that "Show Racism the red card" is laughable in Scotland given how little is done about sectarian abuse. Load of grown men last week telling Celtic players they were sex offenders, ftp etc etc right in front of the police. Were any arrested? Not one.
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 Re: Rangers v Celtic
Topic Originator: Pars_1986  
Date:   Wed 13 Jan 00:10

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jake89, Tue 12 Jan 23:08

Have to say that "Show Racism the red card" is laughable in Scotland given how little is done about sectarian abuse. Load of grown men last week telling Celtic players they were sex offenders, ftp etc etc right in front of the police. Were any arrested? Not one.


Dose the women's elite level of football get the twice weekly testing to be able to play like the mens game at the top? Reason I ask as this seems to be the only reason the mens game get to go ahead still aswell as they do the twice weekly testing. This is why presumably the mens lower level has had to have a break as the twice weekly testing isn't done due to it not being affordable at that level so now deeming it unsafe to continue hence the 3 week break to see what happens. Not having a dig or that just how I see it so I could be wrong.
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