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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 7 Jan 08:36
Apparently, Kilmarnock intend to use evidence from Celtic's Dubai trip, in their appeal against the 0-3 losses inflicted for breaching of Covid protocols. St Mirren will have more than a passing interest as they wete on the wrong end of two such "results" while Motherwell could end up 6 points worse off.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/kilmarnock-cite-celtic-dubai-trip-23267539
It will be interesting to see how the SPFL play this one. It's normally one law for the risch......
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Jbob
Date: Thu 7 Jan 09:09
Will be very interesting to see how this plays out. Another season that could end up in the courts.
Bobs of the world unite
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Topic Originator: mars par
Date: Thu 7 Jan 10:04
Quite right.
It`s been yet another massive own goal from the SFA. To dish out 3-0 defeats for players car sharing was harsh in the first place, but to sanction and adjust the footballing calendar for a Celtic holiday in the midst of it all is just mental.
Footballers, as we all know, have been given special privileges that apply only on the pitch during matchdays. St Mirren and Killie were punished for letting these privileges creep into non-matchday situations - which could be argued as being fair enough. But photos emerging of the Celtic team not sticking to guidelines while on a team holiday is entirely predictable, I can`t understand how the SFA didn`t see it coming.
The interesting thing is that if they can`t investigate or punish Celtic now as they`d be admitting to their own incompetence. Killie are quite right to flag the blatant inconstancy (bordering on favouritism) of the SFA when appealing their charges
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Topic Originator: dafc
Date: Thu 7 Jan 10:05
Based on the photo evidence alone, Kilmarnock and St Mirren have good cases in their appeal.
However suspect SPFL might be investigating those alleged breaches by Celtic in those pictures.
Points were removed from Motherwell and Hamilton when appeal was submitted.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 7 Jan 11:55
"It`s been yet another massive own goal from the SFA. To dish out 3-0 defeats for players car sharing was harsh in the first place, but to sanction and adjust the footballing calendar for a Celtic holiday in the midst of it all is just mental."
As I understand things, the Scottish government (Joint Response Group) gave Celtic permission to travel on 12th Nov.
So if the SG are asking the SFA to investigate and report back, they also need to ask the same questions of the JRG.
Fo clarity, it was the SPFL, not the SFA, that sanctioned the re-arranged fixture date at Parkhead, against Hibs complaints.
Ill advised trip on Celtic`s part nevertheless.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Fri 8 Jan 16:28
Wouldn't be interesting to see if any of the Celtic squad caught covid when they were on their holiday.
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: Parahandy
Date: Fri 8 Jan 16:59
The punishments though are re failing to fulfill a fixture not primarily whether or not a team followed protocols or best practice. These teams told the League they were unable or unwilling to fulfill a fixture - the reason for that seems to lie in their failure to follow their own protocols which they advised the Football authorities they would adhere to.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 8 Jan 18:32
Quote:
eastendalloapar, Fri 08 Jan 16:28
Wouldn't be interesting to see if any of the Celtic squad caught covid when they were on their holiday.
How would you prove where it was caught? They’ve only been away a few days
It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 9 Jan 13:32
Prof. Jason Leitch was asked the question on "Off The Ball" this afternoon - he stated that Celtic were within the regulations to go.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 10 Jan 16:24
Celtic player has tested positive for Coronavirus, don't they all have to isolate for 10 days?
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sun 10 Jan 16:24
Celtic player has tested positive after the Dubai trip .
John Kennedy had admitted there had been some slips on social distancing etc.
The player will miss the game v Hibs .
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Sun 10 Jan 16:54
I agree with LA, are the entire Celtic squad not liable to isolate for 10 days or whatever it is now.
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 10 Jan 17:00
So we now have potentially 14 Celtic players who have been in contact going to mingle with another 14 Hibs players tomorrow night ...... doesn`t sound right to me
Post Edited (Sun 10 Jan 17:01)
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Topic Originator: allparone
Date: Sun 10 Jan 17:02
Not all players isolate when a player tests positive. Morton only have 3 players isolating for example. If it’s been a player who has travelled on the flight from Dubai then there may be more said. It could be one of the players that didn’t go however so no need for other team mates to isolate.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 10 Jan 17:06
Seems dodgy to me. They all spent the week together and then got a plane together. Surely they should all be isolating for 10 days?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 10 Jan 17:14
If they're doing it right they train, eat, shower etc in small groups. I don't think it would be any different in Dubai
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 10 Jan 17:24
da no 1...... I think John Kennedy has admitted they did not do it right
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: dafc
Date: Sun 10 Jan 18:37
Will likely be anyone sitting close by on plane or bus, or close by at meal times. Suspect game could be in doubt while track and tracing is going on.
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sun 10 Jan 18:52
Quote:
jake89, Sun 10 Jan 17:06
Seems dodgy to me. They all spent the week together and then got a plane together. Surely they should all be isolating for 10 days?
Unlike the general public, the entire group must have been tested and only one person was positive. Therefore the rest don't have it and are able to continue as usual...?
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Topic Originator: Polt
Date: Sun 10 Jan 19:37
Quote:
neilholland999, Sun 10 Jan 18:52
Quote:
jake89, Sun 10 Jan 17:06
Seems dodgy to me. They all spent the week together and then got a plane together. Surely they should all be isolating for 10 days?
Unlike the general public, the entire group must have been tested and only one person was positive. Therefore the rest don't have it and are able to continue as usual...?
Depends on the test they are using. The full one which is done at NHS stations lab checked Or the quick test which I do at work 40 mins. So depends on false positives etc.
Besides the 10 day isolation has not been changed updated or reviewed that I know of for this new more contagious covid variant.
Is 10 days enough? Is that why cases are going through the roof.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 10 Jan 20:46
Great post Polt
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: dafcburty
Date: Sun 10 Jan 22:36
The Scottish Government confirm that Dubai quarantine rules do not apply to sports people who’ve attended “elite training” abroad.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sun 10 Jan 22:53
Scottish government now saying anyone coming from Dubai has to quarantine for ten days ,and that is retrospective to the 3rd January ,which may include celtic .
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Mon 11 Jan 09:46
which it doesnt (for now) as posted by dafcburty.
a problem for us if they have close contacts who have to self isolate with rumours of possibly 10 of them, they recall McInroy this morning and we lose him for the Morton games at least.
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Topic Originator: Jbob
Date: Mon 11 Jan 11:15
Scottish government announcement soon re Celtic. Expect ramifications re tonight v hibs
Bobs of the world unite
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Mon 11 Jan 12:27
10 players isolating.
Will Hibs still Hibs it?
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 11 Jan 12:32
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Mon 11 Jan 12:27
10 players isolating.
Will Hibs still Hibs it?
Does the game go ahead regardless? I think it should but some games have been postponed, have they not?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Pars_1986
Date: Mon 11 Jan 12:35
According to the BBC web page on the app its going ahead despite celtic having 13 players needing to isolate aswell as manager Neil Lennon
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Mon 11 Jan 12:52
Jullien was the only positive one. He is injured! Wtf was he there for at all!!!
Lennon & Kennedy to isolate
Post Edited (Mon 11 Jan 12:53)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 11 Jan 13:15
Celtic`s home Scottish Premiership match with Hibernian this evening will go ahead despite the home squad being decimated by Covid-19 issues.
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 11 Jan 13:20
Celtic `hugely disappointed` by outcome
"Clearly we are hugely disappointed, as we know our supporters will be," read the second half of the statement from Celtic.
"The contacts were identified during the period from Wednesday last week, primarily around flight and team coach travel, during which time Celtic applied the same rigorous protocols used for pre-season training camps, Uefa match travel and for all domestic match arrangements in Scotland.
"These protocols have served us well in the past, as the club has not had one positive case in our own `bubble` until now.
"As we have already stated, Celtic`s decision to travel to Dubai for a training camp was for performance reasons.
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Mon 11 Jan 16:14
So it should. They are lucky they have restrictions relaxed for them to do their job there was no reason for them to go to dubai. The official reason was rest and recovery which could be done here. No sympathy for them.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Mon 11 Jan 16:28
Breaking. Celtic not to be given any penalties over their Dubai trip.
Rangers will get 4 and the SFA has said James Tavernier is to take them.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 11 Jan 17:10
The Scottish government has to explain why Celtic were legally allowed to travel to the UAE by the Joint Response Group in the first instance.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 11 Jan 17:16
Why is the Scottish Government accountable for the actions of the Joint Response Group? Whatever happened to personal responsibility?
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 11 Jan 17:27
"Why is the Scottish Government accountable for the actions of the Joint Response Group? Whatever happened to personal responsibility?"
Celtic did not contravene any regulations by travelling to Dubai - Prof. Jason Leitch confirmed that on Saturday on live radio.
It was clearly an error of judgement to go, however that doesn`t absolve the authorities here of their responsibility.
The SG should have made their position clear publicly beforehand, not after the event.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Mon 11 Jan 17:33
Quote:
veteraneastender, Mon 11 Jan 17:27
"Why is the Scottish Government accountable for the actions of the Joint Response Group? Whatever happened to personal responsibility?"
Celtic did not contravene any regulations by travelling to Dubai - Prof. Jason Leitch confirmed that on Saturday on live radio.
It was clearly an error of judgement to go, however that doesn`t absolve the authorities here of their responsibility.
The SG should have made their position clear publicly beforehand, not after the event.
The Scottish government did say not to travel so technically they did. SG can't close the borders for international travel this has to come from Westminster. Even If they closed the international travel they would just go down south and travel. Either way it comes back to celtic going to dubai for no reason other than winter sun. They get to continue with their job which alot of people don't have that option. They don't have the financial uncertainty that goes with it.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 11 Jan 17:57
As usual if you want actual facts don't bother with .net
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 11 Jan 18:06
`The SG should have made their position clear publicly beforehand, not after the event.`
I`m struggling to understand why the SG should be expected to make public guidance they had been asked to give to a football club. As I understand it all they did was explain what the guidelines were. If you had asked for clarification of guidelines would you have expected that advice to be made public?
The main bone of contention was whether the trip was related to training and performance or for relaxation and recreation. Judging from the photos that were published it was a bit of both but if Celtic said it was for training and performance who could contradict them prior to the trip?
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 11 Jan 18:26
"SG can`t close the borders for international travel this has to come from Westminster. Even If they closed the international travel they would just go down south and travel."
Didn`t the SG legislate travel restrictions between local authority areas in November - which effectively made it illegal to go to an airport ?
Except these would be irrelevant where agreed exemptions were applicable - and presumably Celtic benefitted from this special clause ?
Travel from Scotland to England was also banned except for such exemptions, so that would not be an issue had it been required.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 11 Jan 18:38
What an outrage. I can't believe no-one checked the impact on a football team before making a decision on a public health matter.
Heads will roll!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 11 Jan 18:45
BREAKING - Hibs asked for additional testing
Hibernian have just released a statement, confirming that they asked the SPFL for Celtic`s squad to be re-tested today to ensure the safety of the Easter Road side`s players.
"We regarded this as a reasonable request – given the incubation period of the virus – but, unfortunately, our request was refused," Hibs`s statement said.
It added: "The SPFL made clear that not fulfilling the fixture would have severe consequences for Hibernian. The club also notes that we are being asked to fulfil this fixture less than two weeks from our Betfred Cup semi-final.
"We have been assured by the SPFL that any Covid 19 issues that may arise from fulfilling this fixture will be taken into account, and the semi-final postponed if required."
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 11 Jan 18:47
I don't understand the refusal? Are they covering up a club-wide outbreak?
I realise it must be hard for teams but surely anyone with any sense could see that going to Dubai was risky.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 11 Jan 18:48
"I`m struggling to understand why the SG should be expected to make public guidance they had been asked to give to a football club."
Can`t have it both ways - the SG should have expressed their concerns before Celtic flew out.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 11 Jan 18:49
Looks like McGregor is playing tonight along with Frimpong, Duffy, Rogic, Laxalt and turnbull ....I take it they were not on Holiday then ?
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 11 Jan 18:50
I see you can get as much as 16/5 on a Hibs win tonight. I wish I had an online account.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 11 Jan 19:01
`Can`t have it both ways - the SG should have expressed their concerns before Celtic flew out.`
I don`t understand the reference to having it both ways. If you had been planning a trip to Dubai and asked for clarification of the government guidelines would you expect the advice you were given to be made public? If so, would you expect all advice given to individuals to be made public? If not, why should it be any different for Celtic?
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Mon 11 Jan 19:01
Quote:
GG Riva, Mon 11 Jan 18:50
I see you can get as much as 16/5 on a Hibs win tonight. I wish I had an online account.
Looking at likely teams I still expect Celtic will win
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 11 Jan 19:07
Quote:
veteraneastender, Mon 11 Jan 18:48
"I`m struggling to understand why the SG should be expected to make public guidance they had been asked to give to a football club."
Can`t have it both ways - the SG should have expressed their concerns before Celtic flew out.
Alternatively, Celtic could have assessed the risk in the same way an average Joe will assess the risk. Right now there's probably a self-employed plumber just back from a few days in the sun been told the same as these Celtic players. Is he going to moan about not getting enough guidance?
The situation is changing daily. Anyone making any plans should expect change.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 11 Jan 19:39
Quote:
veteraneastender, Mon 11 Jan 18:48
"I`m struggling to understand why the SG should be expected to make public guidance they had been asked to give to a football club."
Can`t have it both ways - the SG should have expressed their concerns before Celtic flew out.
Exactly. Wasting your time discussing SG matters with certain people who cannot see fault in anything they do
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Mon 11 Jan 19:49
Typical Cellic ,never there fault .Always cheated never defeated
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 11 Jan 20:12
No one has explained why the SG should have been expected to make public advice they gave a football club in November about guidelines on foreign travel. It`s the usual issue about hindsight always having 20/20 vision.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 11 Jan 20:27
The guidance in November would be irrelevant in January. Up until a week before Christmas we were told we had a 5 day window. We then had a 1 day window. If I chose to go with previous guidance, could I then moan if I was told I couldn't come to work and had to isolate? No, of course not.
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Topic Originator: Jbob
Date: Mon 11 Jan 20:34
Andy Walker not holding in his criticism of Celtic
Bobs of the world unite
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 11 Jan 20:42
Celtic were quite within their rights to go.
Whether they should have gone considering the current pandemic is another matter.
Bad choice, in my opinion.
They have followed the protocols and have a number isolating. They are fulfilling the fixture tonight.
Whether you agree or not, they haven’t done too much wrong.
Again, I will emphasise that they should not have gone, in my opinion.
It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Aylesbury_Par
Date: Mon 11 Jan 23:44
Its a disgrace the SG were not all over the Celtic trip and checking if their travel plans were still going ahead!
Its not as if they had anything else to be doing in December like:
Tracking the impact of a new strain of the virus which would mean changing the previous guidance for the Christmas period which would affect everyone in the country.
Creating plans to manage the distribution and storage of newly created vaccines and build a strategy for the vaccination roll out.
Monitoring the whole Brexit deal/no deal/oven ready deal/bad deal/great deal which would have a big impact on Scotland for the short & long term.
Sturgeon should have personally been checking the Celtic players had enough wee poly bags and that they only had 100ml liquids in their carry on luggage!
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 12 Jan 07:13
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend like | nolike
Date: Mon 11 Jan 20:42
``Celtic were quite within their rights to go.
Whether they should have gone considering the current pandemic is another matter.
Bad choice, in my opinion.
They have followed the protocols and have a number isolating. They are fulfilling the fixture tonight.
Whether you agree or not, they haven’t done too much wrong.
Again, I will emphasise that they should not have gone, in my opinion.``
While Celtic did not break any rules as they stood by going, senior figures at Parkhead showed a lack of sensitivity and empathy with the rest of the country. Just because they could go, doesn`t mean they should have.
How much more classy would it have been for Peter Lawwell to have announced that Celtic had decided to cancel the trip in view of the spiralling numbers of positive Covid cases and as a gesture of solidarity with the population of Scotland.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 12 Jan 07:49
‘Classy’ and ‘Celtic’ in same sentence - jokes forum for this p!sh 😀
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 12 Jan 09:43
"No one has explained why the SG should have been expected to make public advice they gave a football club in November about guidelines on foreign travel. It`s the usual issue about hindsight always having 20/20 vision."
The SG have been very critical of Celtic after the event, with justification, so the hindsight aspect is part of the scenario.
However, no high profile concerns before they flew out on 2nd January, which , incidentally was a few days before the revised restrictions came into force in Scotland.
Travelling to Dubai was within the rules on that date - where Celtic have let themselves down was failure to follow local regulations in the UAE - as alluded to by Jason Leitch on Saturday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000r38q
From 49:16
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 12 Jan 09:50
Quote:
neilholland999, Sun 10 Jan 18:52
Quote:
jake89, Sun 10 Jan 17:06
Seems dodgy to me. They all spent the week together and then got a plane together. Surely they should all be isolating for 10 days?
Unlike the general public, the entire group must have been tested and only one person was positive. Therefore the rest don't have it and are able to continue as usual...?
Kinda like real life, proportionately few people get or die but all society (except politicians) locked down....
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 12 Jan 10:01
I`m still not clear what point you are making, vee. It`s up to individuals and businesses to follow the guidelines. If we don`t know what they are or don`t understand them we take steps to find out. If we can`t we can ask for clarification which is what Celtic did back in November and they were given advice. That was a private matter between Celtic and the SG.
Celtic then departed for Dubai in January without further consultation apparently. That was their decision and they are now suffering the consequences. What they did was not illegal but in the prevailing circumstances it was ill-advised and it was their responsibility. It`s no different from people deciding to mix with friends and family over the festive period despite government guidelines advising against that.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 12 Jan 10:58
"I`m still not clear what point you are making, vee. It`s up to individuals and businesses to follow the guidelines. If we don`t know what they are or don`t understand them we take steps to find out. If we can`t we can ask for clarification which is what Celtic did back in November and they were given advice. That was a private matter between Celtic and the SG."
In that case if it was private advice then, it should have been private criticism thereafter.
It was an ill advised trip, that`s not in doubt.
"It`s no different from people deciding to mix with friends and family over the festive period despite government guidelines advising against that."
The initial government dispensation over the festive period was for a 5 days relaxation of the restrictions despite many medical people questioning the wisdom of that decision - then the authorities realised their poor judgement on these guidelines and backtracked to a single day window of opportunity only.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 12 Jan 11:35
In a real world and that we all live in, the duty of care is to the employee first then the company later. How does this work if a player said they are not going.
I have the option to choose not to travel. I have concerns over my and my families health if I contracted COVID, so the company let me work from home.
1: Are Celtic any different to any other company (Bubble). If so maybe H&S Executive could have something to say.
2: Did their players all say “Yeah, great idea, let’s go”
3: What makes their trip business critical?
4: Does 3 preclude 2 in the statement made to players why they believed it was business critical if they asked the question.
5: Did they break the rules (Yes).
6: Dear Mr Celtic, what other rules did you break (Full disclosure). If we find any other details you’re out.
7: Is this finished?
When you look at it from a business perspective, Celtic don’t have a leg to stand on. Are the Scottish government maybe considering the duty of care of a company to the employee from a legal standpoint. Don’t they know football is different........
I hope Julien is ok and that nobody he has came into contact with develops serious illness. Also that he does not develop long term symptoms that affect his playing career.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Tue 12 Jan 11:42
In any other year Cellic probably wouldn't have went , unfortunately they as a club and support are desperate ,verging on deranged ,about the 10 in a row.
They have twice came from behind and stretched away in previous seasons after going to Dubai,and could not be seen by thier support to give away this advantage, especially as they are almost out of the title race .
Celtic as a club new the risk involved ,putting thier players ,officials and Scottish football as an aside ,to the Ten.
Hibs being forced to play last night ,and risking the Betfred cup semifinal ,was done because its Celtic and the ten ,you can be sure if this was Livi ,it would not have happened .
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 12 Jan 12:23
Guidance on travel has always been if essential. Others have said it, but just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD.
When Celtic went they were fine to do so. However, they didn't follow protocol and the guidance then changed after they came back. This guidance was changed by Scottish Government and has subsequently been changed by Westminster too. Celtic would not have known this but surely they would have risk assessed this trip.
If this were the Pars I'd be asking why the team were going off on a jolly when underperforming on the pitch!
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Tue 12 Jan 12:24
Am I alone in hoping that Livvy completely hammer Celtic this weekend.
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 12 Jan 12:32
"If this were the Pars I`d be asking why the team were going off on a jolly when underperforming on the pitch!"
Which is exactly the question that a load of Celtic fans are asking.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 12 Jan 14:28
I`m sure it was Allan Preston who said Celtic should have stayed home ...played a midweek game ...played Hibs on the Saturday with full first teams and perhaps gain 6 points ... That could maybe have put a wee bit pressure on Rangers who were away to Aberdeen on the Sunday
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Tue 12 Jan 15:59
Big PR disaster for Celtic, they are a huge club, so can make their own risk assessment (which we all have to do if we can) going abroad has to be thought out yourself, no government can do much either way- if it`s for a holiday or a training camp, apart from being off your head, then you might not get back for a while, so you had better have a plan b.
Work would be if they were still in Europa League.
Apart from losing 10 in a row (Zzzzzzzz) they have potentially damaged Scottish football ( which neither of the ugly sisters care about) alienated their supporters (which they do care about.... interesting to see the season ticket sales next season)
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 12 Jan 17:27
Quote:
neils, Tue 12 Jan 15:59
Big PR disaster for Celtic, they are a huge club, so can make their own risk assessment (which we all have to do if we can) going abroad has to be thought out yourself, no government can do much either way- if it`s for a holiday or a training camp, apart from being off your head, then you might not get back for a while, so you had better have a plan b.
Work would be if they were still in Europa League.
Apart from losing 10 in a row (Zzzzzzzz) they have potentially damaged Scottish football ( which neither of the ugly sisters care about) alienated their supporters (which they do care about.... interesting to see the season ticket sales next season)
Their season ticket sales would be damaged more by Neil Lennon being in charge next season than by their Dubai farce
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 12 Jan 17:42
Good read Stanza
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 12 Jan 18:06
Two good reads.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Tue 12 Jan 19:23
I agree, my thoughts go out to the lower league teams. Especially to the full time ones, Partick, Queens Park and Falkirk. Sorry if I've missed any other full-time teams out. They didn't get the £500000 that we got, they have to pay the players, perhaps they can be furloughed. I've got an idea, Celtic should pick up the wage bill of all the clubs who are suffering because of them. After all it would probably be less than their holiday to Dubai.
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: dafc
Date: Tue 12 Jan 23:36
Very good point also made on the Scottish women`s super league. Why has that been cancelled. They are not part of the pyramid men`s system. So why is elite men allowed to play and elite women not?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 13 Jan 06:43
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 12 Jan 18:06
Two good reads.
Forgive me if I don't completely agree with your assessment, wee eck.
While there's no doubt Celtic were foolish and unwise in the extreme in pressing on with the trip and scored a massive own goal in the process, these articles are hardly balanced pieces of journalism. Both hacks set about Celtic with an almost pathological relish.
Euan Murray is a jaundiced Jambo, who makes no effort to hide his antipathy for Celtic and their fans. It saddens me that he is employed by a quality publication, alongside the likes of Marina Hyde and John Crace. Tom English may deny it, but he comes across as fervent Rangers fan in this and many previous articles. He's very much at home at the BBC, where so many "Rangers-minded" pundits have found their niche. Rae, McCann, Boyd, Spiers, Dodds, McCoist, Young.......
Celtic have been rightly called out for their unnecessary and irresponsible trip, but those reporting on it should not be stoking the fires of sectarianism with inflammatory rhetoric.
Not your average Sunday League player.
Post Edited (Wed 13 Jan 06:48)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 13 Jan 10:29
GGR, when I said these articles were `two good reads` I simply meant that I enjoyed reading them. I wasn`t suggesting they were balanced in their views of the situation. In fact, they were so unanimous in their views that you could be excused for thinking they were both written by the same person.
I know nothing about Euan Murray so cannot comment on his allegiance to Hearts. Like you I enjoy the political pieces in the Guardian by John Crace and Marina Hyde but I don`t think anyone would claim they were neutral in their views so it is possible to enjoy writing that isn`t exactly balanced.
I know a wee bit about Tom English. He is from Limerick so I have always assumed he has leanings towards Celtic as I don`t think I`ve ever come across anyone from the southern part of Ireland who didn`t have a soft spot for them. I know he wrote some scathing pieces about Rangers when they were in the doldrums and got a lot of stick from Rangers` fans in the process. He has had similar treatment from Hearts` fans as well when he has criticised their club. I don`t always agree with him but I think he calls it as he sees it and you can`t really ask any more of a sports journalist.
I take your point about the number of `Rangers-minded` pundits employed by BBC Scotland. I`m prepared to accept that Chick Young is in fact a St Mirren fan but you omitted Derek Ferguson! I`m not sure why that is, other than that ex-Old Firm players tend to be better known and are likely to attract more punters to the station. Every Celtic game seems to be attended by Pat Bonner who took over that role from Murdo McLeod I think. They seem to favour ex-players covering their old clubs as Willie Miller invariably summarises at Aberdeen games and self-confessed Jambo Allan Preston often covers Hearts` games.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 13 Jan 10:34
With Tom English`s background it would be reasonable to assume he is not "Rangers minded" as default.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 13 Jan 11:42
Quote:
GG Riva, Wed 13 Jan 06:43
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wee eck, Tue 12 Jan 18:06
Two good reads.
Forgive me if I don't completely agree with your assessment, wee eck.
While there's no doubt Celtic were foolish and unwise in the extreme in pressing on with the trip and scored a massive own goal in the process, these articles are hardly balanced pieces of journalism. Both hacks set about Celtic with an almost pathological relish.
Euan Murray is a jaundiced Jambo, who makes no effort to hide his antipathy for Celtic and their fans. It saddens me that he is employed by a quality publication, alongside the likes of Marina Hyde and John Crace. Tom English may deny it, but he comes across as fervent Rangers fan in this and many previous articles. He's very much at home at the BBC, where so many "Rangers-minded" pundits have found their niche. Rae, McCann, Boyd, Spiers, Dodds, McCoist, Young.......
Celtic have been rightly called out for their unnecessary and irresponsible trip, but those reporting on it should not be stoking the fires of sectarianism with inflammatory rhetoric.
Tom English a Rangers fan is the most ridiculous thing I read on here in a long time.
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Topic Originator: allparone
Date: Wed 13 Jan 12:03
Tom English is the same as a lot of other pundits/journos. Rangers fans say he’s a Celtic fan and Celtic fans say he’s a Rangers fan. If you criticise one you’re automatically seen as the other in their twisted little minds.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 13 Jan 12:16
Quote:
allparone, Wed 13 Jan 12:03
Tom English is the same as a lot of other pundits/journos. Rangers fans say he’s a Celtic fan and Celtic fans say he’s a Rangers fan. If you criticise one you’re automatically seen as the other in their twisted little minds.
Probably means he's doing his job right.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 13 Jan 12:23
Quote:
allparone, Wed 13 Jan 12:03
Tom English is the same as a lot of other pundits/journos. Rangers fans say he’s a Celtic fan and Celtic fans say he’s a Rangers fan. If you criticise one you’re automatically seen as the other in their twisted little minds.
Exactly. There's no way Tom English is Rangers minded.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 13 Jan 12:30
Just for clarification, I said that Tom English comes across as a Rangers fan in the article linked by Buspass Par. (I don't know for a fact that he is, whereas I do know Murray is a Hearts fan.) That was because he overdid the rhetoric, in my humble one. I'm fully aware that many Rangers fans are convinced he's a Celtic fan. It's perfectly possible to criticise either club without fomenting sectarian hatred, which I feel both articles may do.
Wee eck, you could accuse me of double standards, but I don't think balance is as important in political matters, especially if they're laying the boot into the Tories. 😉
Seriously though, journalists have a duty to report responsibly in certain areas. Stirring up the bigots on either side of the divide is not clever. Both Murray and English were OTT in their respective articles, but neither made any comment on the repugnant behaviour of the idiots outside Ibrox before the game on Jan 2. Celtic's trip was foolish and unwise in the extreme but they didn't break any rules as they stood. The Rangers "fans" committed a criminal offence and only one person has been charged.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Lambo1885
Date: Wed 13 Jan 13:23
Tom English is just a sh*te journo. imo.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Wed 13 Jan 14:01
It seems you cannot call out one side of the old firm without a deluge of whataboutery from the opposite perspective.
As for GG Riva saying the above articles incite sectarianism, anything from either side can meet that criteria,as far as a fair percentage of fans from both side (not a small minority)are rabid Tim's ,Prods.
I may be called a undercover Rangers supporter as The Cellic native is it no longer exists, but as usual an Old firm debate goes of on other strands usually supporting a particular view point .
Celtic did not break any rules correct,
Did the put thier own players and staff at increased risk by traveling Yes
Would they have done it without 10 in a row at risk maybe not
Have they further damaged footballs reputation with the government Yes
How did it work out for Them ?
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Wed 13 Jan 14:23
Quote:
Euan Murray is a jaundiced Jambo, ....
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Celtic have been rightly called out for their unnecessary and irresponsible trip, but those reporting on it should not be stoking the fires of sectarianism with inflammatory rhetoric.
As I posted the Guardian article by Euan Murray, I'll try to answer GG's point. :)
I have just re-read the article, and can find nothing in it which can justifiably be said to be "stoking the fires of sectarianism". Everything that Murray writes is about the actions and attitudes of Celtic FC, and absolutely no mention is made of religion, either of the club or its supporters. The only vague mention is that Celtic is "a club founded on grounds of decency and compassion", which is hardly a criticism.
IMO it is perfectly legitimate to criticise the behaviour of any football club (or of any other business for that matter). To suggest that criticism of the football-related actions of any particular club is founded on sectarianism is to play by the rules of those who want to entangle football in their own narrow-minded world views.
Imagine for a moment that it had been (eg) Aberdeen FC who had taken their players etc to Dubai in similar circumstances. If the same article had been written word for word except for personnel names changes, would it have been seen as stoking the fires of anti-cheuchterism, or might it just have been seen as harsh (even perhaps over-harsh) criticism of a football club?
Please keep religion and football separate, and don't view everything in football through a green or orange prism - there are enough already who do.
Personally, as someone born and brought up in Glasgow, it was a breath of fresh air to move to Dunfermline and find that it was possible to support a football club without different brands of religion being even mentioned, never mind associated with one club or another. Sadly, that's not true in all the country.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 13 Jan 15:01
Quote:
Stanza, Wed 13 Jan 14:23
Quote:
Euan Murray is a jaundiced Jambo, ....
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Celtic have been rightly called out for their unnecessary and irresponsible trip, but those reporting on it should not be stoking the fires of sectarianism with inflammatory rhetoric.
As I posted the Guardian article by Euan Murray, I'll try to answer GG's point. :)
I have just re-read the article, and can find nothing in it which can justifiably be said to be "stoking the fires of sectarianism". Everything that Murray writes is about the actions and attitudes of Celtic FC, and absolutely no mention is made of religion, either of the club or its supporters. The only vague mention is that Celtic is "a club founded on grounds of decency and compassion", which is hardly a criticism.
IMO it is perfectly legitimate to criticise the behaviour of any football club (or of any other business for that matter). To suggest that criticism of the football-related actions of any particular club is founded on sectarianism is to play by the rules of those who want to entangle football in their own narrow-minded world views.
Imagine for a moment that it had been (eg) Aberdeen FC who had taken their players etc to Dubai in similar circumstances. If the same article had been written word for word except for personnel names changes, would it have been seen as stoking the fires of anti-cheuchterism, or might it just have been seen as harsh (even perhaps over-harsh) criticism of a football club?
Please keep religion and football separate, and don't view everything in football through a green or orange prism - there are enough already who do.
Personally, as someone born and brought up in Glasgow, it was a breath of fresh air to move to Dunfermline and find that it was possible to support a football club without different brands of religion being even mentioned, never mind associated with one club or another. Sadly, that's not true in all the country.
Great post Stanza and 100% spot on.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 13 Jan 15:49
Stanza, that's a good, well reasoned post, but as someone who "escaped" from Glasgow, you don't need me to tell you just how poisonous the atmosphere is there on match days between Rangers and Celtic. (Perhaps, as a Jags fan you were spared some of their fans excesses?) I was talked into attending the 1969 SC Final by a pal from Cowdenbeath. That was my first and last. The bus was stoned as it left Hampden and we were lying on the floor, absolutely terrified, as an assortment of missiles broke almost every window. Some guys needed hospital treatment. Perhaps that has left an indelible mark on my brain.
Although you have concluded that there is no case to answer, I still believe both articles were unnecessarily spiteful and will arouse hatred and loathing among the loony elements in the Celtic support. In Tom English' s defence, I will say that he has sunk the boot into Rangers with just as much gusto in the past and of course, that provoked plenty of bile among the corresponding loonies with an Ibrox connection, so let me be clear that it's no more acceptable.
Most right thinking people would like to see the curse of sectarianism banished from our country, but it's not going to happen unless we all act in a more sensitive and responsible manner. Some citizens carry more responsibility than others; parents and teachers who should be teaching our children about tolerance and acceptance of others, politicians who should be promoting genuine social values and drafting laws to punish those who wilfully transgress and police who have a duty to apprehend these same people. Journalists have a platform which allows them to reach many people. They too should call out the unacceptable face of Scottish football for what it is.
I look forward to reading the respective articles of both English and Murray, the next time any fans of Celtic or Rangers bring shame on Scotland by spouting their sectarian bile outside a stadium they're not supposed to be anywhere near. Police Scotland will also arrest these morons instead of leaving it for a few weeks to pour over some inconclusive video footage and perhaps issuing one charge of sectarian behaviour, as happened this week.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 13 Jan 15:53
Murray is a massive Jambo. He was one of the people advocating raiding the Pars to weaken us.
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Wed 13 Jan 16:50
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jake89, Wed 13 Jan 15:53
Murray is a massive Jambo. He was one of the people advocating raiding the Pars to weaken us.
You mean like we got Euan Murray and Kevin Nisbet from Raith? :)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 13 Jan 17:41
We signed him because we needed a striker. Murray was suggesting signing simply to weaken us.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 13 Jan 17:42
Lawwell has just apologised for it all...
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 13 Jan 17:55
Quote:
jake89, Wed 13 Jan 17:42
Lawwell has just apologised for it all...
Not before time. A bit too little too late, imo. I hope Dermot Desmond is preparing his P45 as we speak.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 13 Jan 18:31
Celtic`s controversial trip to Dubai was "clearly it was a mistake" and one for which they "profoundly apologise", says chief executive Peter Lawwell.
Neil Lennon and his squad returned from training in the Middle East on Friday, with Christopher Jullien subsequently testing positive for Covid-19.
As a result, Lennon, assistant John Kennedy, and 13 players had to isolate and missed the draw with Hibernian.
"The outcome was clearly very regrettable," Lawwell told CelticTV.
"On refection, looking back and looking with hindsight and looking at the outcome of the trip, clearly it was a mistake and for that I profoundly apologise to our supporters.
"This horrific pandemic has affected the whole of society. It`s affected people here in Scotland, it`s affected our supporters, it`s affected our football and it`s affected our club - probably our club more than any."
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 13 Jan 18:50
“probably our club more than any."
Can’t help themselves can they?
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Wed 13 Jan 19:06
Peter Lawell saying 'the pandemic has affected our club more than any' as if Thistle didn't get relegated with a game in hand, thus losing out on 350k of government money and then to have their league suspended all because Scott Brown fancied a pint of Heineken in Dubai.
Taken from Ray Bradshaw Thistle fan and stand up .
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 13 Jan 19:24
The lower leagues weren`t suspended because Celtic went to Dubai.
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Topic Originator: allparone
Date: Wed 13 Jan 19:35
Quote:
P, Wed 13 Jan 18:50
“probably our club more than any."
Can’t help themselves can they?
There was no need for that at the end of the statement IMO. Is he looking for pity? There have been plenty clubs who have been affected more than Celtic starting with all of the league 1 and 2 clubs who aren’t allowed to play anymore. Clubs who are having to cut wages and let staff go have also been affected more than Celtic.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Wed 13 Jan 19:38
Quote:
veteraneastender, Wed 13 Jan 19:24
The lower leagues weren`t suspended because Celtic went to Dubai.
There are plenty first and second division chairmen will disagree with you on that .
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 13 Jan 19:46
"There are plenty first and second division chairmen will disagree with you on that."
On what grounds ?
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 13 Jan 19:48
Quote:
veteraneastender, Wed 13 Jan 19:46
"There are plenty first and second division chairmen will disagree with you on that."
On what grounds ?
Their home ones I would guess
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 13 Jan 19:50
I asked for that one !!!
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Wed 13 Jan 20:00
Stenhousemuir chairman Iain McMenemy says lower-league clubs are paying for Celtic's controversial Dubai training camp, which resulted in 16 players and staff have to self-isolate.
We absolutely have been let down," McMenemy told BBC Scotland. "They've given us over as a sacrifice to appease an angry Scottish government because of problems that have happened elsewhere.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 13 Jan 20:20
The article posted at 10:05 explains why the lower leagues etc. were suspended.
Even if Celtic had not gone to Dubai the developing pandemic would have been on the agenda between the government and SFA.
It clarifies the steps that SPL and Championship clubs will be required to adhere to in order to continue playing league games, otherwise these competitions will be pulled as well.
The key issue is PCR requirements which part time clubs cannot satisfy.
There are anomolies, as somebody else has pointed out - how can part time Alloa and Arbroath continue their fixtures in our division while full time Falkirk can`t in a lower tier ?
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Wed 13 Jan 20:50
The stenny chairman said with the two lots of money coming to the clubs they would certainly have had enough to test for a month but reconned they would have had enough to do the rest of the season .
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 13 Jan 21:14
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saltonsgonagetu, Wed 13 Jan 20:50
The stenny chairman said with the two lots of money coming to the clubs they would certainly have had enough to test for a month but reconned they would have had enough to do the rest of the season .
Then his beef is with the authorities who made the decision.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Thu 14 Jan 15:44
See celtic have put their youths on furlough. After spending a fortune on that trip,Something morally wrong there.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 14 Jan 15:48
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twin par, Thu 14 Jan 15:44
See celtic have put their youths on furlough. After spending a fortune on that trip,Something morally wrong there.
They're taking the pith now. I dare say some other clubs may have done the same in other parts of the UK, but that doesn't make it right.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 16 Jan 17:25
Perhaps Murray and English were correct in their assertions ... maybe if Lawell had released the statement earlier their rhetoric may have been subdued or maybe not they are both of a similar mindset regarding the Dubai holiday and would have probably have dismantled the statement instead
Now 20 points behind Rangers with 2 games in hand and a visit to Livi on Wednesday night .... ooer Mrs
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 16 Jan 18:11
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Buspasspar, Sat 16 Jan 17:25
Perhaps Murray and English were correct in their assertions ... maybe if Lawell had released the statement earlier their rhetoric may have been subdued or maybe not they are both of a similar mindset regarding the Dubai holiday and would have probably have dismantled the statement instead
Now 20 points behind Rangers with 2 games in hand and a visit to Livi on Wednesday night .... ooer Mrs
There's no doubt they were correct, it was just the spiteful tone I felt was unnecessary, BPP. As for the title race, that was done and dusted when Rangers won so convincingly at Parkhead. I would have preferred any other team to stop Celtic winning 10 in a row, but realistically, Rangers are the only other team who can do that. Even teams like Aberdeen and Hibs are like boxers trying to fight with one hand tied behind their backs. The rest have both hands tied, of course.....☹
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 16 Jan 18:35
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saltonsgonagetu, Wed 13 Jan 20:00
Stenhousemuir chairman Iain McMenemy says lower-league clubs are paying for Celtic's controversial Dubai training camp, which resulted in 16 players and staff have to self-isolate.
We absolutely have been let down," McMenemy told BBC Scotland. "They've given us over as a sacrifice to appease an angry Scottish government because of problems that have happened elsewhere.
I've just learned that Mr McMenemy has strong links to the Orange Order, which he likes to keep quiet about. In fact, he represented the OO, in the Scottish Government in the CPG on combating sectarianism, so perhaps he might not be the most impartial and objective of commentators when it comes to expressing an opinion on the Sellick?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 16 Jan 19:04
Quote G.G. :-
There`s no doubt they were correct, it was just the spiteful tone I felt was unnecessary, BPP. As for the title race, that was done and dusted when Rangers won so convincingly at Parkhead. I would have preferred any other team to stop Celtic winning 10 in a row, but realistically, Rangers are the only other team who can do that. Even teams like Aberdeen and Hibs are like boxers trying to fight with one hand tied behind their backs. The rest have both hands tied, of course.....☹
Me too G.G. but it is what it is Gerard doing a great job both on and off the pitch and think bound for greater things down South ... Aberdeen touted for a few years under McInnes but a huge disappointment again and Gubbed off the park today
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Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles
Date: Sat 16 Jan 19:48
Quote:
Lambo1885, Wed 13 Jan 13:23
Tom English is just a sh*te journo. imo.
Agreed. An absolute ring piece. He was embarrassing during the Hearts Relegation/court case, Ann Budge's cheerleader.
Awight Pat!
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sun 17 Jan 08:56
Quote:
Frank Butchers LoveHandles, Sat 16 Jan 19:48
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Lambo1885, Wed 13 Jan 13:23
Tom English is just a sh*te journo. imo.
Agreed. An absolute ring piece. He was embarrassing during the Hearts Relegation/court case, Ann Budge's cheerleader.
Maybe he was just playing to the only audience that counts (his paymasters)
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Topic Originator: Jbob
Date: Sun 17 Jan 09:22
Expect parkhead clearout to start now.
Eduoard
Duffy
Broony to Australia
And several more
Bobs of the world unite
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 17 Jan 09:55
Any point clearing out this late in the season? May as well spend time sourcing a better manager.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 18 Jan 15:50
Mr. Lennon having a wee rant :-
Neil Lennon has railed against a "barrage of absolute hypocrisy" following Celtic`s trip to Dubai.
Manager Lennon and 13 players missed two games after a positive Covid-19 test and now a further player has returned a positive test.
Celtic drew both of their matches while depleted and are 21 points behind Scottish Premiership leaders Rangers.
"We`ve been held to a far higher standard than any other club," Lennon said.
"Protocols at different clubs are inconsistent. As soon as Celtic are deemed to do something wrong, bang, you`re all wanting blood, it`s absolutely scandalous. The fallout from this has been way too much.
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 18 Jan 15:58
Lennon would be well advised to shut his gub. I think these are the desperate last words of a manager who knows his time is up and is looking for sympathy, by tapping into the siege mentality so common among fans of Scotland's two biggest clubs.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Mon 18 Jan 16:40
Quote:
Buspasspar, Mon 18 Jan 15:50
Mr. Lennon having a wee rant :-
Neil Lennon has railed against a "barrage of absolute hypocrisy" following Celtic`s trip to Dubai.
Manager Lennon and 13 players missed two games after a positive Covid-19 test and now a further player has returned a positive test.
Celtic drew both of their matches while depleted and are 21 points behind Scottish Premiership leaders Rangers.
"We`ve been held to a far higher standard than any other club," Lennon said.
"Protocols at different clubs are inconsistent. As soon as Celtic are deemed to do something wrong, bang, you`re all wanting blood, it`s absolutely scandalous. The fallout from this has been way too much.
Is his press guy the same as boris. We don't have any positive cases apart from the ones that are positive. The gift that keeps on giving.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles
Date: Mon 18 Jan 17:37
Absolute car crash of an interview from Lennon earlier.
Awight Pat!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 18 Jan 18:40
What Lennon us saying is correct. People are ready to punish mistakes. The difference is that it's only his team making them! Did any other teams travel abroad during a global pandemic to get their hair braided at the side of a pool?
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Mon 18 Jan 18:54
Was it not Lennon having a go at referees that caused them to go on strike?
And in turn our most lucrative game of the season, a New Year Fife Derby, to be postponed?
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Topic Originator: dafc
Date: Mon 18 Jan 19:32
Absolutely the biggest manager meltdown in Scottish Fitba. Blaming everyone else from St Johnstone and Hamilton’s changing rooms, to the protocols being against Celtic. Paranoia pill taken today. Total car crash, Celtic fans online going mental. He won’t last week after that.
He said in one sentence only jullien should be isolating as all players fine, then next moment being told one of these players who are ok and isolating has in fact now got Covid. Embarrassing for Celtic PLC
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 18 Jan 19:37
What an absolute state.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 18 Jan 19:46
Popcorn at the ready.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 18 Jan 19:49
Also was it just me or was the camera work on the Lennon interview fuzzy. I heard some expert advice that you need to drive places as COVID affects the eyesight. 🧐
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Mon 18 Jan 20:38
Does anyone at Celtic have any self awareness/humility...any slight inkling of how people outside of the football bubble are feeling right now? No?
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Topic Originator: Sliema Par
Date: Mon 18 Jan 21:13
The Neil Lennon press conference shamed his great club and himself.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 18 Jan 22:24
I'm starting to think they're trying to get the season canned
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 18 Jan 22:30
Lennon on thin ice here. Ill advised comments.
This will run...
It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 19 Jan 12:12
Apart from the immediate football related issues.......
It would be interesting to hear his thoughts on Celtic staff breaching local Covid regulations in the UAE, as clearly evidenced in poolside photos.
As manager he is responsible for player conduct - however, as one of the guilty individuals that`s likely not a question he wants to address.
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Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles
Date: Tue 19 Jan 12:26
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 18 Jan 22:24
I'm starting to think they're trying to get the season canned
That was my thoughts as well. Trying to get the League null and voided.
Awight Pat!
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 19 Jan 12:50
Without in any way looking to excuse this ill advised trip, I can't help wondering who took the incriminating pics and posted them on social media.
Surely none of the Celtic party would have been so incredibly stupid? Did any Scottish journalists/photographers travel with the squad? Was it some locals with a keen interest in Scottish football? That's even less credible. The story doing the rounds on Celtic fans forums is that the pics were taken by some obsessed Rangers fans, but I think it's more likely to have been Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy.....
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Tue 19 Jan 13:09
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 18 Jan 22:24
I'm starting to think they're trying to get the season canned
He's gonna get himself canned...
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 19 Jan 16:35
"He`s gonna get himself canned..."
Not for what went down in Dubai either.
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Topic Originator: Jbob
Date: Tue 19 Jan 19:34
Lemon needs to stop digging
Bobs of the world unite
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Tue 19 Jan 20:00
St Johnstone have described Celtic manager Neil Lennon's criticism of the club's Covid-19 protocols as "completely inaccurate and unfounded".
In claiming inconsistencies among Scottish Premiership clubs, Lennon said Celtic were "all crammed in" with "no social distancing" at McDiarmid Park.
St Johnstone are "extremely disappointed" with Lennon's comments.
Kirsten Robertson, the Perth club's head of football operations, said: "We provide one of the largest away team changing areas in the league. Every team, including Celtic, is also provided with a large area for team meetings.
We made sure their every request and requirement was met," Robertson added. "Celtic viewed all of our facilities before the game and no issues were raised. No issues were raised with us after the game.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 19 Jan 20:48
Taxi for Lennon :)
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 19 Jan 21:32
The act of a desperate man has never been more fitting
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 19 Jan 22:51
"Celtic viewed all of our facilities before the game and no issues were raised. No issues were raised with us after the game."
Says it all really.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 19 Jan 22:51
Genuinely concerned about Lennon's wellbeing. Whilst I don't think he's the right manager, he's also contending with a lazy team. I think the Dubai trip was an error of judgement but it wouldn't be his decision alone.
That all said, his rant points to a guy who is feeling overwhelmed. He's like Begbie in Trainspotting looking to fight the entire pub!
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Topic Originator: dafc
Date: Tue 19 Jan 23:40
It was a Celtic fan who took the pictures and video clips and posted to Twitter and Celtic pages.
On the clip you can hear him say he is a Celtic fan. Not sure who took bar pictures, however shows it was a public bar.
Dubai was full of Glaswegians and other Scots on holiday and work.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 19 Jan 23:45
If anyone does want a chuckle Google "Neil Lennon the musical". Contains strong language.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 20 Jan 06:09
Quote:
dafc, Tue 19 Jan 23:40
It was a Celtic fan who took the pictures and video clips and posted to Twitter and Celtic pages.
On the clip you can hear him say he is a Celtic fan. Not sure who took bar pictures, however shows it was a public bar.
Dubai was full of Glaswegians and other Scots on holiday and work.
That makes sense, dafc. He must have been a very angry Celtic fan at that, to do what he did, unless.......
Putting my conspiracy theory hat on...... He was a Rangers fan who couldn't believe his luck and has pretended to be a Celtic fan on Twitter. 🙂
I don't know how easy that would be for anyone to do.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 20 Jan 06:36
Celtic fans have been very angry pretty much all season
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 20 Jan 10:50
Quote:
P, Wed 20 Jan 06:36
Celtic fans have been very angry pretty much all season
Best fans in the world.....
When they're winning..
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Topic Originator: rossmcno1
Date: Wed 20 Jan 11:36
It takes a lot to get me angry about football or footballing matters, but the conduct and behaviour of that club over the past 2 years has really got me annoyed. They have no idea the impact that they are having elsewhere by their actions.
Let’s start with the appointment of Lennon in the showers at Hampden. I mean come on, how amateur is that? What does that say about our game in Scotland. It’s so easy that we can afford to give the top job to someone in the immediate aftermath of a cup final in a shower. The arrogance to not see how this looks - or as some have said on the whole saga - the optics are bad.
Their player recruitment over the last 2 seasons has been so poorly targeted, again like an arrogance that they only need a certain level of player to coast this league. Bolingoli, Barkas, Klimala, Ajeti and the immortal disaster that has been Shame Duffy. (Realised the typo afterwards but thought it suited so left it in). I’d also question the signing of Julien, who has been bullied by a few strikers in Scotland (including Nisbet).
But then we have this season and the off a cliff decline, and the reaction of the team, it’s staff and its fans. For once, I actually feel sorry for a lot of Celtic fans. It’s the club and it’s reps who have continually misread the mood of the nation and Scottish football as a whole. The decision to go to Dubai was complete wilful ignorance of the situation we are all in. Following the reaction, both Lawell and Lennon have just added petrol onto the flames.
Lawell first, the apology I actually saw first time and didn’t really listen, until a Celtic supporting mate drew my attention back to it, and the line “we have been affected more than any other by covid”. How tone deaf is that line? Clubs relegated before end of the season, our team not being able to play July to October, our season in league only having 27 not 36 games, many other clubs near to extinction. God forbid should Celtic be down to their last £20million in their bank.... arrogance.
Then Lennon yesterday with that rant. What an absolute charlatan of a man. Started by slagging off the government rules that forced self isolation, then we find out that one of those self isolating has tested positive for the virus!!? So if Mr Lennon had his way, all the self isolators would have been allowed to go about “normal business” and we may well have had further positive cases!? But it’s all a big campaign against him and his team, they’ve done nothing wrong. Apparently Celtic are being held to a higher standard of compliance, yet supposedly the Scottish Government should have told Celtic about the upcoming lockdown. What? So a football club should be told about a public health measure that impacts over 5 million people before anyone else so that they would then know the optics of going to Dubai would be bad..? And this is where my anger comes into it. There are literally people dying.
Post Edited (Wed 20 Jan 11:38)
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Topic Originator: rossmcno1
Date: Wed 20 Jan 11:40
...oops post was too long so had to edit and add...
This is such a bad situation that I feel every second Lennon is continued to be employed is an absolute insult.
Feel better now that’s off my chest, somewhat cathartic. ☺️
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Topic Originator: dafc
Date: Wed 20 Jan 12:12
That makes sense, dafc. He must have been a very angry Celtic fan at that, to do what he did, unless.......
Putting my conspiracy theory hat on...... He was a Rangers fan who couldn`t believe his luck and has pretended to be a Celtic fan on Twitter. 🙂
I don`t know how easy that would be for anyone to do.
You do hear him on the clip saying I’m a cellic man and that’s not on. Regardless he was there with mates too who could have been either, as could hear them talking in background, the hotel was full of Scots, so Celtic really should have been far more aware of their surroundings.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Wed 20 Jan 12:28
Quote:
rossmcno1, Wed 20 Jan 11:40
...oops post was too long so had to edit and add...
This is such a bad situation that I feel every second Lennon is continued to be employed is an absolute insult.
Feel better now that’s off my chest, somewhat cathartic. ☺️
Did you get up and storm out the press conference after writing your post (s)
You are an angry man
Eloquent and correct,
But an angry man
😂
Rightly so. Taking on government is beyond the pale for football as now Kilmarnock ask the same people slighted by football for a loan. I hope it doesn’t affect any agreements for clubs in need of cash. The SPFL really need to get a grip on proceedings.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 20 Jan 13:24
Glasgow Times :-
John Swinney has branded Celtic manager Neil Lennon`s claims criticism of the club`s Dubai trip was "politically motivated" appalling.
The deputy first minister said he was "lost for words" after hearing the Parkhead supremos explosive news conference on Monday.
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: rossmcno1
Date: Wed 20 Jan 13:48
Quote:
parsmad68, Wed 20 Jan 12:28
Quote:
rossmcno1, Wed 20 Jan 11:40
...oops post was too long so had to edit and add...
This is such a bad situation that I feel every second Lennon is continued to be employed is an absolute insult.
Feel better now that’s off my chest, somewhat cathartic. ☺️
Did you get up and storm out the press conference after writing your post (s)
You are an angry man
Eloquent and correct,
But an angry man
😂
Rightly so. Taking on government is beyond the pale for football as now Kilmarnock ask the same people slighted by football for a loan. I hope it doesn’t affect any agreements for clubs in need of cash. The SPFL really need to get a grip on proceedings.
Thanks buddy! It didn’t help that the first two posts I saw on social media this morning set my day up. First was an old friend who has just lost his mum to Covid, and then the next post from someone else a picture of Lennons angry face and how he’s standing up to the biased government, media and football authorities. Such a contrast in priorities.
A conspiracy theorist may opine that this is a ploy from Celtic to force government to shut down football so they can reinvigorate 10 in a row. Or that Lennon is forcing the board to sack him and pay him off.
Or as I suspect, they are just arrogant, tone deaf and ignorant of the state of the world about them.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Wed 20 Jan 14:06
Sorry to hear about your friends loss. The perspective to be looked upon here is that people are losing lives, jobs and more. Lennon was caught out and is lashing out because he was embarrassed. Instead of issuing an apology he goes on the attack. A true measure of the man.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 20 Jan 14:21
Great post, Ross. Well reasoned, articulate and heartfelt. A tad long for the Dotnet word count... would have taken me more than an hour to type that. ☺
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: rossmcno1
Date: Wed 20 Jan 14:37
Thanks parsmad68. You’re spot on, he needs to see what’s going on in the outside world.
And thanks GG. Think that took me 8 minutes with my fast thumbs 😂 dare I also mention I trimmed a paragraph or two off too? 😂 days annual leave being spent well. Hope you and family are well. ☺️
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 20 Jan 16:55
Quote:
rossmcno1, Wed 20 Jan 14:37
And thanks GG. Think that took me 8 minutes with my fast thumbs 😂 dare I also mention I trimmed a paragraph or two off too? 😂 days annual leave being spent well. Hope you and family are well. ☺️
We're all keeping our heads above the water, thanks. Spending your annual leave on Dotnet is tough but there are many people who are worse off than us.
Back on topic, each time I think this nightmare of their own making can't get any worse for Celtic, something else happens. What's the first rule of holes again? I'm hearing this is Lennon's last game tonight, so maybe he doesn't give a tinker's cuss anymore, which would perhaps explain his recent rant.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Wed 20 Jan 17:59
rossmcno1:
rant
rant
What a great post, thanks for that!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 20 Jan 18:12
Mon the Livvi ...:)
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: rossmcno1
Date: Wed 20 Jan 19:49
Thanks Stanza
Genuinely laughed out loud there. ☺️
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 20 Jan 20:44
Livingston reserves 1 the Tic 0
1-1 noo
1-2 noo
Post Edited (Wed 20 Jan 20:55)
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Wed 20 Jan 21:34
2-2 Martindale is doing an incredible job there
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Wed 20 Jan 21:56
What a f*d Brown is !
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 20 Jan 21:58
Clear out required at Celtic. Absolute respect to Livi for their performance.
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Topic Originator: rossmcno1
Date: Wed 20 Jan 22:26
Livingston 2-2 Celtic full time.
Aw isn’t that a wee shame eh?
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Wed 20 Jan 22:33
Lennon looked like a man about to be axed at end. What a shame! Arrogant idiot.
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Topic Originator: PARSpars
Date: Wed 20 Jan 22:57
Quote:
charlie1, Wed 20 Jan 22:33
Lennon looked like a man about to be axed at end. What a shame! Arrogant idiot.
absolutely spot on.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 20 Jan 23:19
Interesting he mentioned that Celtic are not a shambles but then followed on to clarify "OFF the pitch"
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 21 Jan 08:26
Livingstone made 7 changes for that game ... Really pleased for them and Martindale
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: dafc
Date: Thu 21 Jan 11:15
Lennons legacy as a captain and manager could be ruined by this, there is no doubting he has had very successful periods and player and manager twice.
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Topic Originator: Jbob
Date: Thu 21 Jan 11:19
The man has like the forgetful gardener lost the plot.
Someone at parkhead needs to step in and get Lennon out of there asap.
Bobs of the world unite
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 21 Jan 12:49
Rumour going around that Yerda Selza-von is to replace Lennon before the weekend.
*waits for penny to drop*
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 21 Jan 13:15
Another turkey at Parkhead ?
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Thu 21 Jan 13:39
Ding -dong
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 23 Jan 11:15
Celtic are becoming a bit of a bogey team for Livi...
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 23 Jan 12:04
LOL ^^^^^
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Sat 23 Jan 13:12
See Benitez has quit his Chinese club. Celtic job next???
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 30 Jan 17:00
Oh Jings St Mirrens first win at Parkhead in over 30 years
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Jbob
Date: Sat 30 Jan 17:10
Apparently celtic fans are linking up with Flintstone fans at their Middle East convention.
The Abu Dhabi do.
Bobs of the world unite
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 30 Jan 17:45
A very honest and brave interview by Lennon tonight
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 30 Jan 17:53
Agreed.
A manager condemned to too many meaningless games (from his perspective) until the end of season.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 30 Jan 18:02
I was thinking it is a pity that Parkhead has been empty thus denying the Celtic fans the chance to see these poor performances and results but no doubt had they been allowed in then they would of had more free kicks and penalties so those results would perhaps not have occurred.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 2 Feb 11:40
A source suggesting that Lenny is on full salary bonus to deliver the 10.
Celtic "can`t" give him his P45 until results make that arithmetically impossible, otherwise the contract clauses would trigger a £3.2 million payout rather than half that.
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