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 What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Kaiser  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:05

After a fantastic, hard working, attack minded, winning performance against Hearts. We have been absolutely dogshite since.

Answers on a postcard please.

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:15

We are to predictable and play the same all the time.

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: dd23  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:25

No we don’t. Different set ups at Inverness and Morton spring to mind.
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: neilholland999  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:28

I don't think EEP is referring to our formations. Is our general style and speed of play etc.
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:29

Dow and Thomas are offering nothing at the moment but are guaranteed a game, Thomas in particular looked strong and able to go past a man, now he looks slow and nothing is coming off. Mcmanus works hard but no quality on the ball. Just shows the difference a decent striker makes swapping mcmanus for Nesbit.

Defensively we are fine but offering very little in an attacking sense at the moment. Looking at that team again there’s very little pace to get in behind teams.



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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:31

Personally I don't like one up front, it has to be a good one and we've got bang average.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:31

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Berkey, Sat 23 Jan 16:29

Dow and Thomas are offering nothing at the moment but are guaranteed a game. Mcmanus works hard but no quality on the ball. Just shows the difference a decent striker makes swapping mcmanus for Nesbit.

Defensively we are fine but offering very little in an attacking sense at the moment.


Dow and Thomas have been off it for weeks now. I don't get why we haven't dropped one or both of them.

Awight Pat!
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: ParfectXI  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:35

A few players going through the motions but without contributing much. The last couple of games the game has changed when Murray has come on- I don’t know what he needs to do to get a start. Our strike force is woeful at the moment - it’s either posted missing or standing in the middle of a group of defenders with not much movement to get free! We desperately need a big target man!

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Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:36

The Thomas / Murray partnership has finished and Thomas,s deliveries are woeful at the moment

G.B
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:38

I’m not sure what other options we have parfect? Thomas is our best set piece taker but can’t beat a first man.

Real lack of quality where it counts unfortunately.



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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: DBA  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:39

The issue is we rely on the wide men to create anything. Every other team knows this, and so doubles up on them and nullifies our threat.

Need a change in system or we're in for a lot more games like this one and Morton!
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Parfect69  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:41

Not many options Berkey, O’hara a much better option than McCann imo
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:43

Doesn’t say much for Mcann if Ohara is a better option

G.B
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: wulliepar57  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:45

everyone knows we rely on our wingers so we get nullified and we cannot do nothing creative
bottom line teams have sussed us out
it was fine when we got goals from set pieces earlier on in the season but that has dried up due to the lack of quality of our deliveries into the box now

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: ParfectXI  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:45

The thing is - we do have quality players- certainly enough quality to take us to the playoffs and perhaps more, however SC etc seem to have real difficulty bringing this out in them and giving them that belief/motivation when times get tough! Unfortunately, unless we make a few changes we’re gonna start to slide down the table again faster than a gravy boat on the Titanic

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Parfect69  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:48

My point exactly gordi
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Parfect69  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:52

We need 2 new players up front, but what is the point of you only play one up front at home. Hugely frustrating
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:53

Been hard watch for weeks now
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Leamington_sPAR  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:54

Need to be more direct, finding your man would also be an advantage. Ayr closed us down very quickly, we couldn’t handle that, on the flip side we were quite happy to sit back when they had the ball. Poor performance all round I’m afraid to say!

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:55

Felt that poor passing was a feature of today. Either completely misplaced or bouncing all over the place and leaving the receiving player far too much to do.
I'm not one for criticising players attitudes but Thomas has the look of someone who isn't playing with a lot of belief in himself just now.
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:56

Zero shots on target ....ooer

We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:57

Look forward to a right good humping at tynie ,at least we know the Pars will get nil

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: pacifist  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 16:58

Passing was inept today but we have players with little space, there is no change to the formation, it`s the same the whole game. We had situations we were passing to one of ours who had 3 Ayr players round him. We were losing out all over the pitch. Do something different and take a chance.

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 17:00

Stumped given the way we`ve been playing our business in January has been to buy a guy who has been playing full back.

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Parsfangaz  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 17:00

McCann offers absolutely nothing , Ohara must be really bad in training if he’s left out for him
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Parfect69  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 17:02

Totally agree parzfan. McCann has shown nothing for 2 years
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: PARS207  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 17:03

yeh cause its just as easy as saying to a club we want that player and he signs for us..........

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 17:06

I just think we are too slow, therefore we are easy to defend against. At the start of the season we were playing in triangles and our players were passing the ball with ease. Are they struggling because the pitches are heavy.

matt forsyth
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Parfect69  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 17:06

Never said it was easy. However not playing 2 strikers at home is criminal imo
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 17:13

Our 3 front men are 1st division level at best , a bit of composure is needed up front , sadly none of them is the answer,

G.B
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 17:14

Our earlier issue was defense leaking at set pieces...it was OK as we were scoring goals and winning. However it seems to be the opposite now....defense is decent but top of the park couldn't score in a brothel.
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: wulliepar57  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 17:16

I think you are correct gordi-b
we have no composure up front at present they all seem to snatch at everything
Last time I saw some composure from a front man was Dow up at Arbroath in the cup where he actually placed his shot
I think SC has now got a lot to think about

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: steaua  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 17:19

I am slowly losing the will to watch that stuff. We need a proper striker and for Stevie to utilise and blend his midfield players better . At the moment it is like who flung dung. That was awful again.

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 17:21

placed his shot...he put his foot through it!

this proper striker, who? who is available that is better than what we have and available?

"attack minded"....it wasnt.

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 17:24

On the plus side the McCann pass to Moffat almost won the game.

If only he had done that for Declan who had a thankless task yet again.

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: PARS207  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 17:33

Quote:

Kaiser, Sat 23 Jan 16:05

After a fantastic, hard working, attack minded, winning performance against Hearts. We have been absolutely dogshite since.

Answers on a postcard please.


it was a defensive set up to nullify one player in the opposition and try hit on the break if we could, was defo not attack minded!
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: par-91  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 17:34

We’ve scored 8 goals from open play in 12 games. Surely nobody actually believed that we would keep winning most weeks, despite the fact we never offered anything from open play?

All that’s changed, is we aren’t scoring from set pieces. Nothing else. 4 from open play in our first 5 games, 4 in the next 5 and failed to score in the last 2 (overall not scored from open play in 6 of our 12 games)

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: PARS207  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 17:34

Quote:

Parfect69, Sat 23 Jan 17:06

Never said it was easy. However not playing 2 strikers at home is criminal imo


why not play all the strikers we have then cause we are at home!!

number of formations win games including 1 up front,
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: livipar2  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 17:34

I think we will see at least one attack. Indeed player coming in soon. Need to freshen up the forward areas.

Mon the Pars!!!!!!!!!!!
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Pars Athletic  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 18:06

It's beginning to be a trait of Crawfords teams, at the start of last season were were playing well, playing high press football then it tailed off. Seems to be happening again this season, but other results are going our way this season which maybe cuts him some slack, as we seem to be drifting into a team that's more interested in not losing to keep the unbeaten run going.
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 18:14

Back to a 4-4-2 with Dec and Ohara up front imo.

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: obiwanyouknowme  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 18:24

We are a tough watch at the moment.

Positives
We have a good base and conceding very little goals

Negatives
To slow at moving the ball forward
Lack any real creativity

No sure what McInroy has done to be dropped, him and Turner play well together and then to put Mayo on in front of him

McManus has no real support, Dow and Thomas both stay wide and Wilson and Whittaker both sit deep.

We went to 4-4-2 and and were equally guff

It’s easier said than done but some creativity, a striker or at least players to put pressure on Thomas and Down

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 18:34

We should always play with 2 strikers up top especially at home.
If a team is guff at a 4-4-2 set up then there is a massive problem.

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: PARS207  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 18:57

Quote:

EEP, Sat 23 Jan 18:34

We should always play with 2 strikers up top especially at home.
If a team is guff at a 4-4-2 set up then there is a massive problem.


why always ??
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 18:57

Certainly need to try something EEP, we played alright, but the last 1/3 was a dead zone, if we can turn that then we are onto a winner.

We don`t need a striker, none are available apart from guff, and we have decent options.

Just have to get it working.......

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: summeragent  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 19:07

When I started a new job I was always motivated. After a while it can become mundane and you lose your motivation. However if you have a good manager he inspires and motivates you with his organisational and motivational skills.

We signed a lot of new players, and have in my opinion a pretty decent squad. This was reflected by our early season results. A lot of the team are showing a general malaise. We can drop players like Thomas and Dow, who are in my opinion a really good players, but this won’t solve the problem. I feel for Declan playing on his own up front week after week. If you look at teams like Raith they close team down give them no time on the ball. We don’t do that just give them acres of room and drop deep.

1 solitary win against Arbroath, with a late goal, in the last 7 or 8 games. Matter of time before we slip down the league and I am worried about a trip to tynecastle! Come on Stevie C you need to sort this out, this is a true managerial test!

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Parfect69  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 19:22

Neil, please tell me the options, and what combo you would use?
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 20:48

A 4-4-2 formation to start as that’s solid and all players know their roles on attacking etc..... then make changes if it’s not working etc.
Imo some players and it’s not their fault don’t know what they are doing when playing different formations.
I could be totally wrong but Ohara when signed played in a 4-4-2 formation and scored goals.. why change things???

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 20:49

I think a trip to Dubai would help.

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 20:56



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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 21:08

The question is does the manager and back room staff realise that changes should be made and implement them?

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 21:09

We are so good that nobody can beat us. On the other hand, we are so p*** poor that we can’t beat anyone either.


Sack the board?

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 21:09

Quote:

Stanza, Sat 23 Jan 20:49

I think a trip to Dubai would help.


Aye. For me.
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 21:14

Maybe a trip to aberdour beach and get them running......

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: yorkiepar  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 21:14

Mmmm. I can sense a “statement from the board” ultimatum from EEP!

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 21:19

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General Zod, Sat 23 Jan 21:09

We are so good that nobody can beat us. On the other hand, we are so p*** poor that we can’t beat anyone either.


Sack the board?


Brilliant. Pmsl.

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 21:21

No statement from the board lol.. I produced info in the past that was valid then got banned from providing said info tbh.

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 22:14

New board members are in and tbh Craw and the boys will be out in a few months.....

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 22:34

Thomas has been posted missing in every game since Hearts game .
Dow has new contract syndrome.
Free kicks and corners have generally poor .
McManus isolated and after scoring a decent goal against Dundee thinks he's Ronaldo

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 22:42

Mcmanus free kick was woeful, at least work the keeper ?

G.B
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 23 Jan 22:54

For all that’s gone wrong, we are sitting in second place...




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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Sun 24 Jan 01:55

Can someone please go to eep and flood a toilet or at least ping a bogey on the floor. I won’t rest until I get a statement from the board.

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Sun 24 Jan 04:28

Thomas has been rank for weeks. Dow the same. Mcinroy when signed we seen him taking shots from outside the box he has never tried one with us always tried to pass it. Ohara must be terrible in training or have a major attitude problem. Mcann isn't good enough. Turner by far our best player need to change from the borefest we have now.

c'mon the pars
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 24 Jan 08:18

McInroy always looked good to me but a degree of wanting to scream "take the shot!"
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sun 24 Jan 08:21

Crawford is far too respectful to the opposition and is overthinking approaches to the games. His pre-match interviews irritate me now as well because of this, he’s trying to be too much of a nice guy, will be his downfall if he’s not careful.

We have a quality set of players for this division, let them off the leash again, there aren’t that many players in this division that you’d feel you’d have to really be concerned about so enough about respect and play offensively and to win.
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: nick_dafc1  
Date:   Sun 24 Jan 08:29

The problem is O Hara and McManus are too similar, they can’t play up front together in a two. We need to find a target or link striker to play with these guys. Surprised SC went with only 2 natural strikers in the squad. McCann needs game time at a lower level first.
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 24 Jan 08:41

It sounds like Crawford it struggling to get people in. Always going to be difficult with financial constraints, COVID and marketing the club as an attractive option.
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Sun 24 Jan 09:26

"For all that’s gone wrong, we are sitting in second place..."

and nowhere near needing to rip everything up and start again.

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sun 24 Jan 10:02

Tbh we are sitting 2nd which is the boards aim for this season..... I have a feeling Hearts might go on a bad run.... here’s hoping!
I’m sure Craw will be looking at our attacking formation as we are fairly solid at the back.

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: pacifist  
Date:   Sun 24 Jan 10:19

In the coming 7 days we could be 9 points behind Hearts and a potential 6 behind the Rovers so we need to stop relying/benefiting from results elsewhere and get points for ourselves. We have had a fair bit of luck with last minute goals so I`m half worried that`s going to hurt us soon too.
The next 7 days could see our good start gone.
So, change things, don`t be so predictable, try to win games when the chance comes and just do it.

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Gaz3822  
Date:   Sun 24 Jan 10:22

In my opinion whether Crawford is at fault or not, these players need to take some responsibility for these performances.
They are more than good enough for this division, they now need to get back to showing it.
The Rovers for example look to be flowing with confidence, even after their break. Mcglynn has them flying.

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie  
Date:   Sun 24 Jan 10:36

Seem to have (touch wood) stopped conceeding silly goals and generally defending set pieces better which is a bonus.

Playing up front on your own, effectively, must be the toughest gig on a football pitch and goes to show how fortunate we were to have Nisbett and why he was in such high demand.

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Sun 24 Jan 11:06

Quote:

EEP, Sat 23 Jan 20:48

A 4-4-2 formation to start as that’s solid and all players know their roles on attacking etc..... then make changes if it’s not working etc.



Well with insight like this it's a wonder that you're not a manager for a top class club.
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Sun 24 Jan 11:14

Our two best creative players are off the boil at the same time. That really doesn't help, hopefully they can get back on form soon.
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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sun 24 Jan 11:16

Now now no need to be like that Grant!😅

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Sun 24 Jan 11:19

"Tbh we are sitting 2nd which is the boards aim for this season"

when did the board ever say that?

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: Alan  
Date:   Sun 24 Jan 11:52

Watched the highlights of the Raith game last night and thought that they applied themselves really well and were totally committed from the start,. just like Arbroath on Friday against Dundee. Don`t know why, but for some reason we only ever see the "real Pars" after we go behind in games. Agree with the previous comments that despite Crawford`s obvious shortcomings with team selection and tactics it`s the players that have to accept responsibility once they`re on the park. Far too many players hiding for weeks now and looking disinterested. Dow in particular is very annoying. A talented but very frustrating player who hides week after week and only seems to have the odd decent game now and again, yet along with Thomas is guaranteed a start every week due to our lack competition for places. Really dire stuff in the last 2 games in particular, with no shots on target or chances created, and we have looked like a team struggling at the bottom of the league. Two very hard games coming up against Hearts and Raith which will define our season. One thing for sure is that the players will need to step it up considerably to get any points from these games. Lose these and I see us slipping down the table and missing out on a play off place.

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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: rossmcno1  
Date:   Sun 24 Jan 12:07

Crawfords cautious nature in management which we have seen since he started is coming through again. Wilson and Whittaker in front of a back 4 have successfully stopped the goals leaking in. Now he will work on moving round the attacking play. We have to remember that in this league, most teams are much of a muchness. It’s a tight division and we are 2nd in a season that we would maybe all agreed that a playoff place is a minimum requirement and 2nd is the objective. I’d be much more concerned if we were losing every game 2-1 than drawing. We’ve been through spells like this a few times under Stevie, but we do always seem to improve and build. It’s not the fastest process right enough, but I want to see where he takes us next.

Just remember - We’ve lost one game all season.



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 Re: What’s gone wrong.........
Topic Originator: king lad  
Date:   Sun 24 Jan 12:39

Need to be more of an attacking unit, the number of times Mcmanus gets the ball and no one is playing off him, no willing runners stretching the defensive line etc. We just need to be a bit more clever going forward in terms of dragging teams out of place. I would however, like to see Murray and O'hara given a chance on the wings to see if they can do any better, Dow and Thomas have done nothing for several games now.

I do feel we lack a different attacking midfield option, who has flair and a bit of creativity. Hopefully that'll be what Scott Banks would provide should we bring him in. It would maybe allow Turner to pick the ball up deeper in midfield so we don't continually lump it to an isolated Mcmanus. We aren't in a bad position we've just hit a rough patch going forward and need a few players to step up and take these games by the scruff of the neck.
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