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 Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: RM5944  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 19:06

Fantastic performance today. Apart from put the ball in the back of the net which we can’t blame Stevie for I thought it was spot on.

He is a club legend as a player and I do think we may need a change. What I would hate is for him to be forgotten about through vile abuse what he done as a player. He will be in charge the rest of the season and I do hope the support can get behind him.

Playoffs are still out aim and are still within our reach after today. We may not be confident but we do have a chance.

Football without the fans is nothing!
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: the saline hill puma  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 19:08

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RM5944, Sat 3 Apr 19:06

Fantastic performance today. Apart from put the ball in the back of the net which we can’t blame Stevie for I thought it was spot on.

He is a club legend as a player and I do think we may need a change. What I would hate is for him to be forgotten about through vile abuse what he done as a player. He will be in charge the rest of the season and I do hope the support can get behind him.

Playoffs are still out aim and are still within our reach after today. We may not be confident but we do have a chance.


What "vile" abuse?
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: RM5944  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 19:10

Abuse to me is vile in whatever context it is meant. No need for abuse at all.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: wulliepar57  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 19:44

gets the plaudits from me today for getting it right

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: neilholland999  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 20:16

There is a big difference between justifiable criticism and abuse.
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 20:19

Justifiable criticism can be expressed in an abusive way and there`s no need for that.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: livipar2  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 20:24

Got everything spot on today and certainly put paid to this drivel that he had ‘lost the dressing room’. Onto next week.

Mon the Pars!!!!!!!!!!!
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: RM5944  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 20:44

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wee eck, Sat 03 Apr 20:19

Justifiable criticism can be expressed in an abusive way and there`s no need for that.


Spot on wee eck!

Football without the fans is nothing!
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 21:02

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the saline hill puma, Sat 3 Apr 19:08

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RM5944, Sat 3 Apr 19:06

Fantastic performance today. Apart from put the ball in the back of the net which we can’t blame Stevie for I thought it was spot on.

He is a club legend as a player and I do think we may need a change. What I would hate is for him to be forgotten about through vile abuse what he done as a player. He will be in charge the rest of the season and I do hope the support can get behind him.

Playoffs are still out aim and are still within our reach after today. We may not be confident but we do have a chance.


What "vile" abuse?


There has been plenty.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 21:14

We had a really good performance today and extremely unlucky not to win by a fair bit, that`s to their great credit- it`s not easy to reverse a `slump`.

What is notable, is how quiet this forum is after this, if we had lost with a late goal, there would be a bombardment of negative comments.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: RM5944  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 21:15

This post was meant to be positive. It only makes me thing Saline was one of the vile abusive posters.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: RM5944  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 21:16

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neils, Sat 03 Apr 21:14

We had a really good performance today and extremely unlucky not to win by a fair bit, that`s to their great credit- it`s not easy to reverse a `slump`.

What is notable, is how quiet this forum is after this, if we had lost with a late goal, there would be a bombardment of negative comments.


100% loud when losing, quiet when theres positives.

Football without the fans is nothing!
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: Parsweep  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 21:42

I was critical of him . Not abusive .
One decent performance doesn't absolve him of his share of the blame for what was an absolute debacle last Tuesday.
We all support the same team , and I don't see a problem in criticism when it's due . Most of what I read was criticism , pretty severe maybe , from a lot of fans who were hurting .
A lot of you seem to think that today's improved performance somehow makes up for the many poor ones that have gone before.
Happy enough with today , but it means zip if they don't follow it up .

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 21:51

`100% loud when losing, quiet when theres positives.`

Calm down. We have drawn against a team who are struggling like us at the moment. Problem is, they`re clear at the top of the league, whereas we are mid-table praying we don`t get dragged down and can just make the play offs. We played well today but it`s disappointing we didn`t get the 3 points we need. The big positive is that the defence finally looked solid again but unfortunately we missed good chances up front, which can be costly. We seriously need to kick on from here. We need to beat Ayr next week.

I still don`t rate Crawford but have accepted he will get to the end of the season. He is a manager I was desperate to see do well - with him being a club legend, but unfortunately I don`t think he has been good enough. He does deserve praise for the way the team were set out today however. You can blame him for us missing chances.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 21:55

Aye well done... A draw against a team we should have beat 2-0 easily today with the 6 chances we created?

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: Heinz57  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 22:01

[Post Deleted] - Personal attack on another subscriber
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 22:05

I was one being critical and after those displays against Dundee and especially Raith after a long slump I feel vindicated to say that I felt he had lost the dressing room. I won't change my opinion based on one good game.
However, I know he will get until end of season now. I will support him and his squad as i always try to do until then.

Regardless if he gets let go at end of the season there should never be any malice towards him as he has been a legendary player and done more good than bad for us. Going from player to manager role for a club where fans adore you is a risk you have to take and Stevie is a Dunfermline man through and through. I still want Stevie to have a role at the club. Just not as manager
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: Parsweep  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 22:11

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Heinz57, Sat 3 Apr 22:01

Edited to remove quote of post which has been removed.
Admin

Is that not an abusive comment then ?

Bobvo
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: ParfectXI  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 22:32

I was extremely critical of him, although not abusive. While I’m happy with that point today, especially as I feared a drubbing, I’m not going to go overboard and start thinking everything is rosey. The unfortunate fact is we are 4th and one more mistake could see us out of the playoffs and Crawford is a major part of that failing, as he has been the last 2 seasons when we have dropped down the league after Christmas.

So in essence Good result today, but I’d like to see someone else in charge next season.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 22:53

Even if we make the play-offs?

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 23:19

Quote:

neils, Sat 3 Apr 21:14

We had a really good performance today and extremely unlucky not to win by a fair bit, that`s to their great credit- it`s not easy to reverse a `slump`.

What is notable, is how quiet this forum is after this, if we had lost with a late goal, there would be a bombardment of negative comments.


I checked the forum a couple of times for match updates during the game and there were very few posts generally. I doubt it was because we played better more that people wouldn't pay £12 given how poor we've been. Sitting at home on a sunny bank holiday weekend can't have been high on many people's to do lists.
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: Stoo  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 23:24

The performance was fine today. It was enough to deserve a win against a poor Hearts team.

Wasn`t a patch on the first Hearts game, for instance. Both teams played better that day.

So, credit where its due, we improved from rock bottom on Tuesday.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 01:37

A hard fought point. Hopefully lift the players for the final run in. Its all to play for so good luck to the management and players. With that kind of performance each week we will make the playoffs.
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 01:51

A decent point giving how gash we have been over the last few weeks but I don't think we need to over egg it. Hearts have been in disarray recently and similarly their fans are wanting their manager out the door as well. I am hoping it can give us a bit of confidence to string a win or two together and try and salvage a play off place.

Awight Pat!
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 01:54

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Jeffery, Sat 3 Apr 23:19

Quote:

neils, Sat 3 Apr 21:14

We had a really good performance today and extremely unlucky not to win by a fair bit, that`s to their great credit- it`s not easy to reverse a `slump`.

What is notable, is how quiet this forum is after this, if we had lost with a late goal, there would be a bombardment of negative comments.


I checked the forum a couple of times for match updates during the game and there were very few posts generally. I doubt it was because we played better more that people wouldn't pay £12 given how poor we've been. Sitting at home on a sunny bank holiday weekend can't have been high on many people's to do lists.


My thoughts exactly, the scorching weather combined with that horror show during the week meant that I suspect the viewing figures would have been pretty low this week.

Awight Pat!
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 02:18

In a normal season, there would probably have been 10,000 fans at EEP yesterday. It was a glorious day weather wise.

I wonder if a packed stadium would have sharpened some minds and one of those missed chances would have slipped into the net? Of course, we`ll never know.

No matter what the outcome is at the end of the season, Stevie will always be a Pars hero. Same with Greg Shields.

I am sure the vast majority of Pars fans wish them only well.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 05:52

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wee eck, Sat 3 Apr 22:53

Even if we make the play-offs?


Yes or it's another season of meh.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: YankeeDollar  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 11:28

Stevies still on a learning curve. Yes our performances have been rank rotten over the last few months but we`re where are. Play offs are still our aim and at the end of the season we`re still there, achieving this status was our goal.
His formations have been a bit puzzling at times but as I said, Stevie and coaching staff us learning day by day.
The remaining games are do able to get our play off place.
Let`s stay strong guys. This is time to stay positive and give everyone at the club our loyal support.

C O Y P

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: ParfectXI  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 11:58

YankeeDollar wrote:

> Stevies still on a learning curve. Yes our performances have
> been rank rotten over the last few months but we`re where are.
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> C O Y P
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>

Still on a learning curve? He’s been with us for 3 seasons, a year as East Fife manager and countless Assistant Manager jobs.

It’s time to either admit he’s not got it or he learns slower than Forrest Gump. We are having the same conversations about his ability we have had the previous 2 seasons, nothing’s changed.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: Angus_W  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 12:27

If he gets the team to the playoffs - Target met.

We have 5 games to go let’s see what happens.

“.........your on mute Jordan” 😀
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 12:51

Target for beginning of season before a ball was kicked, yes - but targets, expectations and relative performance all changes real-time.

If it was my work and my appraisal...

H1 performance was good, well done and conversation would be about how I will keep it going, am I getting the support i need and my expectations for H2.

H2 performance, arguably when it all really starts to matter, failed to meet expectations and would naturally lead to difficult questions about why performance has fallen off a cliff, am I getting the support I need, how I will turn it around, what I’m going to do to keep that turnaround consistent and of failing, whether I’m genuinely the right person for the role?

I’d hope those same questions and conversations are happening with Stevie throughout the year... Including how the board can help Stevie realise and maximise the teams potential - and depending on his answers, if the board believes what they hear, can see measures being put in place, are providing required support plus considering alternatives (people, funds, support. Etc) then that will enable them to can act in the best interest of the club whether that’s with Stevie at the helm or someone else
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: rossmcno1  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 13:19

I didn’t watch the game yesterday, feel completely disengaged with the team at the moment. I’m still very disappointed that the board didn’t take action and set expectations for all managers and players present and future by ending Crawfords tenure after the match on Tuesday, such was the magnitude of the result and performance. For me, that was a red line crossed after some utter dross since, well, October really with only a couple of highlights. I will always support my team. I’ve paid my season ticket, will still buy 50/50’s etc, but for me, this is a poor Dunfermline side, managed badly, and the board have made their choice (I think, a wrong one) to stick with him til end of the season. I am finding other things to do, even in a pandemic, with more entertainment value than watching us play rubbish football on an internet stream.

There is a dangerous amount of apathy and anger amongst a large section of the support right now, and i fear that for many its gone too far. We might limp into the playoffs this season which of course, is the objective met. But at what ongoing cost to engagement with what is supposed to be “entertainment”.

Just feeling a bit.... meh with it all to be honest.



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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 13:35

If you thought watching a stream of a game played in an empty stadium was ever going to replicate the experience of being at a live match then you are deluded. You have to make allowances for the effects the Covid restrictions have had on the players` preparations and performances and take account of that in assessing the manager`s performance too. Thankfully I think the board take a much more considered view of things than a lot of posters on here who seem to have a sense of entitlement regardless of circumstances. You also see it in some of the comments about Parstv.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: The Roy Barry Fan Club  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 13:54

Rossmcn: completely understand where you are coming from after Tuesday. However yesterday was a very different performance, and the set-up was much more compact. I think Stevie got his tactics and team selection bang on. I can only suggest that you watch the highlights which will give you a good flavour of the game.

It is all to play for as regards the play-off spots.

Let`s see where we end up.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: Angus_W  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 14:01

Target for beginning of season before a ball was kicked, yes - but targets, expectations and relative performance all changes real-time.

Can’t agree.

If the target was playoffs - then that’s the target.

He’s got 5 games........

“.........your on mute Jordan” 😀
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 14:32

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Angus_W, Sun 4 Apr 14:01

Target for beginning of season before a ball was kicked, yes - but targets, expectations and relative performance all changes real-time.

Can’t agree.

If the target was playoffs - then that’s the target.

He’s got 5 games........


Correct. Although the appraisal comments earlier were good they are not relevant to this case. You cannot easily duplicate appraisal systems in different industries.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: rossmcno1  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 15:00

“You have to make allowances for the effects the Covid restrictions have had on the players` preparations and performances and take account of that in assessing the manager`s performance too. Thankfully I think the board take a much more considered view of things than a lot of posters on here who seem to have a sense of entitlement regardless of circumstances. You also see it in some of the comments about Parstv.”

And that is true of every other team in the Championship. Regarding the sense of entitlement, I think we absolutely are entitled not to be losing 2 goal leads, watching horrendously boring football, and being emptied by our local rivals in what must be our worst derby result in living memory. I think that is a basic standard for this football club in the current environment. We are underperforming and in my opinion have been doing so for some time.

As for your first sentence weeeck, I don’t think anyone was expecting same experience post pandemic for remote watching v being in the ground. Given that though there is still a gap I feel between what we are seeing and what we should expect to see in terms of football style and quality.

Final point, a lot of those defending Crawford and talk about “vile abuse” are quite happy to make disparaging comments about opposing views, sometimes with no ability to address the points made....



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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: ParfectXI  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 15:14

Rossmcno1. I totally agree with you, we are underperforming and playing horribly unattractive football. Let’s not forget this is “entertainment” and the name of the game is to get punters through the doors. This kind of football is not going to do that. While obviously I’d be happy to get through to the playoffs and meet the objective, the fact is this team had the ability to challenge for automatic promotion and certainly cementing 2nd place but as per the previous 2 seasons it’s all gone Pete tong in the second half of the season and we start playing turgid awful stuff with the odd glimpse like yesterday where we show what we could be doing!

This club wants to cultivate young players to move on for a fee, we aren’t going to do that playing head tennis.

So fewer fans through the door due to awful football, not cultivating players well enough to sell on and falling down the league faster than an elevator at Disneyland- I can’t see any upsides in this, all I see is losing money!

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: neilholland999  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 15:33

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rossmcno1, Sun 4 Apr 13:19

I didn’t watch the game yesterday, feel completely disengaged with the team at the moment. I’m still very disappointed that the board didn’t take action and set expectations for all managers and players present and future by ending Crawfords tenure after the match on Tuesday, such was the magnitude of the result and performance. For me, that was a red line crossed after some utter dross since, well, October really with only a couple of highlights. I will always support my team. I’ve paid my season ticket, will still buy 50/50’s etc, but for me, this is a poor Dunfermline side, managed badly, and the board have made their choice (I think, a wrong one) to stick with him til end of the season. I am finding other things to do, even in a pandemic, with more entertainment value than watching us play rubbish football on an internet stream.

There is a dangerous amount of apathy and anger amongst a large section of the support right now, and i fear that for many its gone too far. We might limp into the playoffs this season which of course, is the objective met. But at what ongoing cost to engagement with what is supposed to be “entertainment”.

Just feeling a bit.... meh with it all to be honest.


Completely agree with you mate, although to be honest I have been feeling disengaged since we failed to turn up at Arbroath away, only for the manager come out and say the match should have been abandoned due to the gale force winds.
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 15:35

I wouldn`t want to work for some of the posters on here. If I was told my annual assessment had been brought forward by a couple of months and, although I was on track to meet the objectives I`d been set, was told I was being sacked anyway, I`d be tempted to tell them to shove their job. If I were the employer I might be concerned about the reputational damage that decision might cause but then `it`s fitba` - all norms of decency and respect don`t apply I suppose.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 15:48

Appraisals and discussions on performance throughout your time in a job along with what support/changes needed to either remedy/adapt apply to every job, whether your a racing driver, a pilot, office worker or in this case a football manager
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: ParfectXI  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 15:58

Wee Eck if you were a manager of a business and saw one of your employees struggle all year, make a tough job of it, providing a sub standard service for a big part of the year but finally scraping the minimum objective at the end although you could see there was a chance to go above and beyond I’d hope you’d ask questions of the employee. There clearly is something wrong and it should be addressed.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: Socks  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 16:12

It`s interesting that wee eck seems to know exactly what the manager`s targets for this season were.

Any decision that might be taken in the summer should not be a simple binary one, i.e. finish 4th or above and the manager stays, 5th and below, he goes. Whether we finish above or below that line, it has to be a more considered call than that.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 16:20

I`m quite sure Ross McArthur will talk regularly with Stevie Crawford about performances and results. That`s different from sacking someone before their contract is up.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: rossmcno1  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 16:21

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Topic Originator: wee eck like | nolike
Date: Sun 4 Apr 15:35

I wouldn`t want to work for some of the posters on here. If I was told my annual assessment had been brought forward by a couple of months and, although I was on track to meet the objectives I`d been set, was told I was being sacked anyway, I`d be tempted to tell them to shove their job. If I were the employer I might be concerned about the reputational damage that decision might cause but then `it`s fitba` - all norms of decency and respect don`t apply I suppose

Your last sentence is pretty disrespectful and dismissive of contrary views, I think I’m being completely respectful and decent with what I expect from this club and it’s representatives in terms of performance.

Reputational damage? Like getting thumped 5-1 by your local rivals on national TV? Or taking a 2 goal lead and losing, again on national TV? That’s true reputational damage that has a direct cost to the club in lost revenue. I wonder what the “virtual attendances”’have been through the year. I’d wager that the home “virtual attendance” on Saturday would have been lowest yet. That brings the point about performance. Objectives in real life are fluid, and ongoing poor performance is taken into account, regardless of the end “minimum objective”. Rarely are those taken in pure isolation.

All a moot point I suppose because the decision has been made and he will be given the chance to manage on.

By the way wee eck, if you’re being told you’re being sacked it’s a bit late to be tempted to tell them to shove their job 😉



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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: RhinoPars  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 16:31

It is either black or white for some posters who don’t seem prepared to recognise there are also shades of grey. We have a bad performance and all players are deemed rubbish by some even though some may have played well. We haven’t developed any players but let’s ignore Nisbet last season and Edwards this. We have been rubbish all season when we actually started really well and had a great League Cup Run. Yesterday McManus threaded some beautiful balls through for players to run onto and that has been a bit lacking recently. Seems odd and defeatist to be a fan and just give up after a poor spell when we still can reach the play offs. Those that watched yesterday saw a much improved performance with real effort and commitment from our team. Pity we couldn’t convert any of the chances to get the three points but still much better. Play like that and we can still make the play offs. Gaspuitis had a good first start. COYP. Like Wee Eck I also think some on here have a bit of a sense of entitlement. While criticism is to be welcomed in a discussion forum and fully justified at times; there is a nastiness and vitriol behind some of it that the forum could do without.
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: morvenpar  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 16:43

RhinoPars wrote:

> It is either black or white for some posters who don’t seem
> prepared to recognise there are also shades of grey. We have a
> bad performance and all players are deemed rubbish by some even
> though some may have played well. We haven’t developed any
> players but let’s ignore Nisbet last season and Edwards this.
> We have been rubbish all season when we actually started really
> well and had a great League Cup Run. Yesterday McManus threaded
> some beautiful balls through for players to run onto and that
> has been a bit lacking recently. Seems odd and defeatist to be
> a fan and just give up after a poor spell when we still can
> reach the play offs. Those that watched yesterday saw a much
> improved performance with real effort and commitment from our
> team. Pity we couldn’t convert any of the chances to get the
> three points but still much better. Play like that and we can
> still make the play offs. Gaspuitis had a good first start.
> COYP. Like Wee Eck I also think some on here have a bit of a
> sense of entitlement. While criticism is to be welcomed in a
> discussion forum and fully justified at times; there is a
> nastiness and vitriol behind some of it that the forum could do
> without.

Edwards??!!!! 😳

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 16:53

You express my feelings exactly, RhinoPars, but much more eloquently. After supporting the Pars for as long as I have I try not to get too ecstatic when things go well or too despondent when when things go badly.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: summeragent  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 17:10


“100% loud when losing, quiet when theres positives.”

Supporters expressed their feelings after the Raith game so no need for a full repeat. Over the last 10 games we are the 2nd worst team in the league after Morton. We have won one away game all season, the worst away record in the league bar maybe Alloa.

Our final few games can be looked at either way but I think the Ayr game will be pivotal. Lose to Ayr and we are looking over our shoulders. We have 2 form teams - Dundee and QOS at home. Nothing tells me we have it in us to beat them tbh. We can’t win away and we haven’t won in our last 2 home games.

I’m still not feeling any level of optimism! We cannot go through this next season again it’s painful!
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: ParfectXI  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 17:28

Rhinopar. The players we have aren’t rubbish, far from it, when you look at the squad it’s probably up there with Hearts or not far off for ability. The problem is the management team aren’t getting the best out of them (which is there job). We did start really well this season and that’s what rankles most fans - the capability is there, but the practical isn’t.

Now if it was a one off then I’d say keep Crawford and move on - but it’s not, take a look at the last 3 seasons, they are almost carbon copies of this one, and I remember posts being on here for each of these seasons saying he’s lost the dressing room.

Maybe it is a sense of entitlement because we have been an SPL side, but as the start of this season and the start of the other seasons show, he’s given the right players but come the second half of the season the quality goes out the window. I would say we are all entitled to ask questions on that, and since it’s happening every year then serious questions have to be asked.

As for the performances, I cannot understand why people are happy to watch dreadful football if we get points. It’s the quickest way to lose revenue because only the die hard will be happy to watch that! Unfortunately I lost my job due to the outbreak but have been managing to buy streams so I can watch, but I can’t see now why I should sacrifice other things I need, so I can watch and be frustrated with the rubbish on show. I bet I’m not the only one thinking this

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 17:41

His first `season` was a half-season where he was working with a squad basically put together by AJ most of whom seemed to switch off when they realised they had no future at the club.

His second season was cut short when we were still in contention for the play-offs.

His third season is still ongoing and we`re still in contention.

Folk tend to see what they want to see.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 17:53

"far from it, when you look at the squad it’s probably up there with Hearts or not far off for ability"

If I was Heart's manager I wouldn't take a single player in our squad over anyone in the Hearts starting 11 bar possibly Gary MacKay Steven and even then I'd take Jamie Walker.

Half the Hearts first team are internationals or have played international football. They haven't done as well as they should have this year but in terms of man for man ability they are ahead of us by quite a distance.
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 17:54

Also if I was Heart's manager I'd try and lear some humility when my side didn't win 😂
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: Malcolm Canmore  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 18:36

“As for the performances, I cannot understand why people are happy to watch dreadful football if we get points. It’s the quickest way to lose revenue because only the die hard will be happy to watch that! “

Elsewhere, someone said football was “entertainment”. Well, maybe the “performers” are finding it hard to be entertaining when the venue has no audience or atmosphere. Maybe their competitive side takes over and they are content to get the points.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 21:03

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DBP, Sun 4 Apr 15:48

Appraisals and discussions on performance throughout your time in a job along with what support/changes needed to either remedy/adapt apply to every job, whether your a racing driver, a pilot, office worker or in this case a football manager


Yes but completely different systems work for different businesses.
I did all the appraisals at Bowlplex when I was the employee systems manager. The same system could not be applied wherd I work now.



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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: yorkiepar  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 21:38

Really, LPF? Did you watch the game on Saturday? In the first half in particular I`d say we gave them a total runaround and there were few if any standouts for Hearts. Yes, there are Hearts players with International credentials but few are showing it and some look to be well past it. Mackay Steven had one lovely run up the left wing and put in a teasing cross but otherwise he was largely anonymous. In complete contrast to you I would say that our squad offers significantly more potential for the future

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 22:06

I don`t remember anyone saying at the start of the season that our squad was on a par with Hearts` squad. It`s amazing how history gets re-written to suit a point of view.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 22:44

If it weren't for Gordon, Hearts would be nowhere this season. The fans acknowledge that too. This Hearts side will be straight back down.
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: rossmcno1  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 22:54

jake89 wrote:

> If it weren't for Gordon, Hearts would be nowhere this
> season. The fans acknowledge that too. This Hearts side will be
> straight back down.

You’re right Jake. And this is a case in point. Hearts will win the league = objective met. Yet the Hearts fans almost certainly want him replaced regardless of how they end up. There are a number of correlations between Crawford and Neilson this season and how they have gone about playing football on the park. Off it though I must say Stevie comes across so much better as a lovely guy and a real decent human being. Which is why I do find it hard to be saying what I am. Crawford really does care, but ultimately for me, it’s not good enough. But regardless who is in the dugout, COYP.



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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Sun 4 Apr 23:13

Don’t get your point parrot... are you saying Stevie shouldn’t be reviewed throughout the year? that the board shouldn’t be enquiring as to the current and trending performance? The they shouldn’t determine if there’s any support they could offer? Or even that the board shouldn’t be trying to determine if he’s the right person for the job and looking at alternatives and considering the impact on the organisation?

Or are you disagreeing over the paperwork used?
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: The Toun Clock  
Date:   Mon 5 Apr 08:49

I was critical after the Dundee and Raith defeats and will be 100% honest and say I don’t think Stevie should be our manager next season. My reasoning for this is that in his 3 seasons since taking over we’ve been extremely inconsistent and rubbish for the majority. Appreciate the first season he took over in the January and inherited another mans team. And last season it got stopped in March with games to play to who knows where we might have finished.

Credit to Stevie, his coaches and the players for getting the point on Saturday, the clean sheet and putting in a much improved performance but it’ll take much more than this.

For Stevie to change my mind that he’s the right man for the job we’d need to win at Ayr, get at least a point against Dundee then beat QoS, Arbroath and Alloa. All teams we should be beating with the exception of Dundee, but all teams we’ve lost to recently with the exception of Ayr and Alloa. If he can’t get the team up for the fight in those games with it all to play for then he can’t take us on next season.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 5 Apr 09:00

^^^^^Good post, Toun Clock. Hard to argue with any of that. Shows the fickle nature of football fans, however. 🙂

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jake89, Sun 4 Apr 22:44

If it weren't for Gordon, Hearts would be nowhere this season. The fans acknowledge that too. This Hearts side will be straight back down.


Except that they're unlikely to have the same squad, Jake. Once promotion is achieved, they will be looking to strengthen. Team's with a far smaller budget than Hearts have managed to consolidate their Premiership place in recent seasons.

Whether the manager will still be in charge is another matter altogether. ☺



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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Mon 5 Apr 09:21

You could argue that if we start winning and sneak into playoff then your concern about inconsistencies is further proven?
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Mon 5 Apr 11:15

I'm with the boy Rasta for once. If we stick with him for next season I fear another season of meh as he eloquently puts it

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 5 Apr 11:24

GG, I think the point is that the current team should walk this league. Only two of the players on that pitch are out of contract this year (Logan and Irving) from what I can tell. That means their options will be limited to strengthen

The feeling seems to be that they have good players who aren't playing that well (sound familiar?!). So when they go up they'll quickly get found out.
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 5 Apr 12:27

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yorkiepar, Sun 4 Apr 21:38

Really, LPF? Did you watch the game on Saturday? In the first half in particular I`d say we gave them a total runaround and there were few if any standouts for Hearts. Yes, there are Hearts players with International credentials but few are showing it and some look to be well past it. Mackay Steven had one lovely run up the left wing and put in a teasing cross but otherwise he was largely anonymous. In complete contrast to you I would say that our squad offers significantly more potential for the future


We did but i wouldn't say man for man we have better players based on one very good performance, I'd argue quite strongly that the league table is a much better indicator. I thought we were better because of the collective effort and dare I say it because SC set us up extremely well and Hearts didn't have their best 11. If you go through each team man for man based on ability who would you take from our starting 11 over the Hearts best starting 11 (which wasn't the team that played yesterday)?

In terms of players for the future I'd agree but that's only because they have an ageing squad and players will be moved on as they hit the end of their career so no doubt Hearts need to bring in new players to replace those at the end of their career.

That being said there were plenty of positives for us in the game.
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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 5 Apr 12:31

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jake89, Sun 4 Apr 22:44

If it weren't for Gordon, Hearts would be nowhere this season. The fans acknowledge that too. This Hearts side will be straight back down.


Hearts have been very laboured this season whilst winning but have got players with enough ability to drag themselves out of the holes their performances have had them in. A perfect case in point was Walker's goal against us to win the game. Very even game and Hearts weren't playing particularly well and then someone produces a bit of quality to win them the game. Its happened a few times when I think most Hearts fans were expecting to be watching performances similar to the opener against Dundee when they were excellent.

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 Re: Stevie Crawford
Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Mon 5 Apr 15:11

Life is a continual learning process. SC is still learning as are the players. I think that the club has come along way. I think that if we make the playoffs we have achived the objective this year. I think SC and the managenent team deserve more credit. We havent failed in anything yet.

What is important now is to rise to the challenge of the last few games, and I personally will support the management and players to achieve the objective of the playoffs. Good luck to everyone.

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