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 Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 13:34

Kelty and Brora may face a 2nd year of missing the opportunity to face Play-off games against Brechin for a place in the football league

The powers that be are meeting to discuss both Kelty and Brora"s suitability to enter the league whilst the Brechin chairman has resigned.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/kelty-hearts-brora-rangers-facing-23886438

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 13:39

Hmmm can't seem to get link to work. Would appreciate the help of my more learn"ed Pars fans to assist me if they can please?

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 13:41

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DunfyDave, Sat 10 Apr 13:34

Kelty and Brora may face a 2bd year of missing the opportunity to face Play-off games against Brechin for a place in the football league

The powers that be are meeting to discuss both Kelty and Brora"s suitability to enter the league whilst the Brechin chairman has resigned.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/kelty-hearts-brora-rangers-facing-23886438
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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 13:48

Thank you LPF

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 13:56

You're welcome mate
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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 14:03

Brechin City chairman Ken Ferguson has resigned from the SPFL board - just 10 days before a controversial decision which could ultimately save his club from losing their league status.

Now SPFL chiefs are facing another chaotic end to the season after admitting Kelty Hearts’ and Brora Rangers’ pathway to the pro set-up could be blocked for a second year running.

League chiefs revealed they are looking into “several issues” that could prevent the League 2 play-off from going ahead next month.

Record Sport understands SPFL chiefs are looking at the number of games fulfilled by both clubs to be named champions of their leagues. It`s also believed they are studying issues relating to the ownership of Brora`s ground.

Kelty and Brora - declared Lowland and Highland League champions last week after fulfilling 13 games and three games respectively - are due to contest the pyramid play-off in two weeks’ time.

The winner is then due to face the bottom side in League 2, currently Brechin, for a place in the SPFL.

The same three clubs were involved when last season’s play-offs were scrapped due to the covid crisis.

And now the two-legged tie is in doubt again after the SPFL statement said Kelty and Brora’s ability to meet league membership criteria would be decided at the April 19 meeting.

The SPFL statement said: "The SPFL is considering several issues relating to the Pyramid Play-Offs and that, as a result, it is not in a position to announce dates for Pyramid Play-Off ties this season."

A spokesman for the SPFL added: “Given that there are a number of uncertainties, including whether League 2 clubs will play 22 or 18 games this season, we are not in a position to announce dates for Pyramid play-off ties this season.

“Whilst we understand that this lack of certainty will be disappointing to supporters of Brora Rangers and Kelty Hearts, it is important that we are entirely fair to all clubs, including the SPFL club that finishes bottom of League 2 this season.

“Our approach has always been to apply the rules that have been agreed by all member clubs, as well as the Pyramid play-off rules agreed between the SPFL, the SFA, the Lowland League and the Highland League, and we will do so again this season.”

Ferguson, position as League 1 & League 2 director on the SPFL Board will be taken in the interim by Gordon Thomson of Clyde.

The Brechin chairman said: “In view of the fact that Brechin City are currently 42nd in the league it is appropriate for me to step aside at this time and to devote all my time and energy into ensuring that Brechin City do not finish bottom of League 2 this season.”

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 14:08

Let them both in. Brora have proved how good they are and Kelty have a good team. I don't care if Brechin stay up or go down. However it would be better is they stay up as it gives an even number of teams. Surely the Brora and Kelty have more right to a league place than the children of the gruesome twosome.

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 14:13

Promote both Kelty and Brora and create a league 2 division containing 12 teams for this season only.

Next season we can expel 2 teams to bring it back down to 10.

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 14:17

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eastendalloapar, Sat 10 Apr 14:08

Let them both in. Brora have proved how good they are and Kelty have a good team. I don't care if Brechin stay up or go down. However it would be better is they stay up as it gives an even number of teams. Surely the Brora and Kelty have more right to a league place than the children of the gruesome twosome.


Hmm different opinion from me. They haven't earned the right to play off. Kelty maybe yeah 1/3 Rd of a season but really Brora champions after 3 matches! Unfair as some hadn't even played a game in the league.

I believe leagues system still needs shaken up and feel that the teams above do have a place in professional football. We have made some progress but alot more needs done.
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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 14:19

We need Anne Budge to come sort this mess out.

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 14:21

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DunfyDave, Sat 10 Apr 14:13

Promote both Kelty and Brora and create a league 2 division containing 12 teams for this season only.

Next season we can expel 2 teams to bring it back down to 10.


Rangers and Celtic would be good.
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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: Jacko Par42  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 14:38

Perfect opportunity to increase all the leagues. Make Scottish football more enjoyable rather than the mundane s**t that we get served up week in week out

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 14:42

Looking at membership criteria both clubs appear fine. I can only think they are looking at awarding of league titles. Both were approved by SFA and teams voted to end season on PPG as they did in spfl last year.

If someone can to link!

https://spfl.co.uk/admin/filemanager/images/shares/pdfs/Membership%20Criteria%20Letter%202021-22%20issued%201%20December%202020.pdf

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: ParfectXI  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 16:00

Why not let both in? The SFA seems to think there is room for the colt teams of the bigot brothers - so the fans have spoken and said no to the colt teams, use the same model and bring in the 2 more deserving teams

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 17:06

Parfect, you nailed it

East End Park is a symbol of all that is DAFC.
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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Sun 11 Apr 10:14

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ParfectXI, Sat 10 Apr 16:00

Why not let both in? The SFA seems to think there is room for the colt teams of the bigot brothers - so the fans have spoken and said no to the colt teams, use the same model and bring in the 2 more deserving teams


To sensible
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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Sun 11 Apr 12:50

it isnt when the plan included Kelty and Brora being promoted as well as having the 2 colt teams and using prize money from Celtic and Rangers effectively to cover 2 more teams in the setup. clubs voted last season against simply adding the two of them, that wont have changed now.

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Sun 11 Apr 14:19

It would seem unfair to simply vote against allowing Kelty and Brora the opportunity for a Play-off spot two years in a row.

Covid has obviously savaged Scottish football but plans were adopted to appease all leagues considering the circumstances.

Plans should have been made to accommodate this and it is still not too late to do the right thing.

Brechin are in this position through their own doing but Kelty and Brora are in this position through their own making and should be awarded the opportunity.

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Sun 11 Apr 15:59

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DunfyDave, Sun 11 Apr 14:19
Brechin are in this position through their own doing but Kelty and Brora are in this position through their own making and should be awarded the opportunity.


Kelty yes Brora no. Brora have been crowned after 3 games and as Stanza said 2 clubs didn't get opportunity to even play a single game.
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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Sun 11 Apr 18:28

But the highland league clubs voted this as acceptable, who are the spfl to say we are not accepting the vote of the highland league. No rules were broken, and it meets the membership criteria.

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 11 Apr 18:38

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dafc, Sat 10 Apr 14:42

Looking at membership criteria both clubs appear fine. I can only think they are looking at awarding of league titles. Both were approved by SFA and teams voted to end season on PPG as they did in spfl last year.

If someone can to link!

https://spfl.co.uk/admin/filemanager/images/shares/pdfs/Membership%20Criteria%20Letter%202021-22%20issued%201%20December%202020.pdf
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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Sun 11 Apr 19:08

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dafc, Sun 11 Apr 18:28

But the highland league clubs voted this as acceptable, who are the spfl to say we are not accepting the vote of the highland league. No rules were broken, and it meets the membership criteria.


Aye it appears so, my misjudgement as i didn't realise the HSFL LMC had a representative from every club and sanctioned it following the rules so it fulfilled it's obligation to SPFL rules.
To be honest i pay more attention to east of Scotland league , would be good to have another Fife club in spfl. Just hope it doesn't turn out like Gretna
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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sun 11 Apr 22:47

"And now the two-legged tie is in doubt again after the SPFL statement said Kelty and Brora’s ability to meet league membership criteria would be decided at the April 19 meeting."

League membership criteria - what does that mean when translated into English ?

Stadia not up to standard, for example ?

Surely all the clubs in the two respective lower divisions can and should meet these conditions when the season begins ?

A bit late now to start flagging up such obstacles.

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 00:59

Fife already has four clubs in the SPFL. Surely already it is the most football-rich county (sorry, kingdom) in Scotland? With five clubs, it would be close to being the most football-rich in Britain...

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 08:08

Fife has a long and proud football history and it deserves 5 league clubs.
From the sad moment when King Alexander III died trying to score an overhead kick into Pettycur Bay, to the late 15th century when King James II famously brought a big stick to St Andrews vs Star Hearts thereby inventing the game of golf.

I say good luck to Kelty, but also to Brora Blow.

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 10:27

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aaaaaaaaaargh, Mon 12 Apr 08:08

Fife has a long and proud football history and it deserves 5 league clubs.
From the sad moment when King Alexander III died trying to score an overhead kick into Pettycur Bay, to the late 15th century when King James II famously brought a big stick to St Andrews vs Star Hearts thereby inventing the game of golf.

I say good luck to Kelty, but also to Brora Blow.


Very good 😂
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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 11:23

Lothians and Glasgow are currently equal with Fife on 4. One more and we win.
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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 11:53

Four in Angus as well - as long as Brechin survive!

But five in Lanarkshire (combining North and South)

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 15:34

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brechin-city-plead-spfl-scrap-23947986.amp?__twitter_impression=true
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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 16:26


East Stirling - who in 2016 became the first club to be relegated out of the SPFL after the play-off was introduced - waded into the debate on Tuesday and told Brechin: “dry your eyes”.

The Lowland League club tweeted: “There is nothing ‘fundamentally unfair’. Years ago clubs voted for a pyramid. We even voted for it. We were the first ‘club 42’ and took our medicine, embraced the Lowland League and rallied. Berwick Rangers did the same. Dry your eyes Brechin City, you are bottom for a reason.”

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: fergie  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 09:43

I actually believe Brechin have a fair argument see the statement from the club https://brechincity.com/bcfc/p/n/2425
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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 09:53

I don’t see anything what Brechin has said is fair. Last season they voted to relegate teams, now that saw unprecedented times and no team should be unfairly treated.
They also voted against reconstruction last season which would have saw Kelty and Brora promoted, this was because there position last season was secured by the spfl.
If pars go into playoffs we will need to play 6 matches while current top league team only need to play 2, our players could end up suspended or injured playing the previous 4. Brechin have a chance to stay up if they win the play off match.

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: king lad  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 10:23

Brechin's argument is total rubbish. They were lucky to stay up last year and now they're complaining they've played a 22 game season. Kelty and brora were voted by their respective leagues as champions so regardless of the circumstances deserve a shot of going up. If Brechin are concerned about fitness they should rest key players when they're mathematically confined to the playoffs. Just screams of desperation to me.
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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: sintv  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 12:06

Kelty/Brora legs are the next 2 Saturdays.
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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: Row_ZZ  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 12:28

Dry yer eyes Brechin indeed.

They got let off the hook massively last season and had a whole summer and autumn to get themselves in a position to rival Albion Rovers, who have the lowest budget in the league*, to fight relegation. Take your medicine. They`re basically admitting to defeat. Kelty or Brora, more likely the former IMO, will absolutely smash them.

*Have an very reliable source that confirms this is 100% the case

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 12:58

Before last night match Brechin had 5 matches including 2 v Cowdenbeath who are their nearest rivals.
What sort of statement is that to their players, more or less admitting defeat and being in playoffs.
Never saw anything from Cowdenbeath about being team 42. Brechin will be relegated and will struggle next season in the highland league.

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 13:03

Wasn`t it a bit of a stretch to award Brora the Highland League when clubs had only played between 0 and 3 games?

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 13:24

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wee eck, Wed 21 Apr 13:03

Wasn`t it a bit of a stretch to award Brora the Highland League when clubs had only played between 0 and 3 games?


^^^ You definitely have a point Wee Eck but in the end it was mutually agreed by the Highland league themselves so who are we to dictate to them.

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 13:35

They would have been better awarding it based on alphabetical order. Brora would still have won it!

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 13:42

To be fair Brora were 17 points ahead after 26 games last season and only Cove denied them the season before so it`s not as if they don`t deserve their shot.

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 13:55

It`s a bit of a dangerous precedent is it not, awarding titles based on the previous season`s results? As Pep said of the ESL `It`s not sport if success is guaranteed`.

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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 15:20

Topic Originator: wee eck like | nolike Like: 1
Date: Wed 21 Apr 13:55

It`s a bit of a dangerous precedent is it not, awarding titles based on the previous season`s results? As Pep said of the ESL `It`s not sport if success is guaranteed`.



That isn`t what happened though.They were awarded it on goal difference after points per game was equal albeit after only 3 games. The league as a whole wanted to fulfil their obligation to the pyramid system and the other clubs couldn`t afford Covid testing which was the alternative apart from declaring null and void again.

It`s to the benefit of Scottish football too imo. The whole point of the pyramid system is to have the best teams in the league surely and improve the overall standard? If Brechin or whoever else are good enough then they have the opportunity to show it over 2 legs. Loved an away day to Brechin and would be sad to see them go though.

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: CAPar  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 15:21

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wee eck, Wed 21 Apr 13:55

It`s a bit of a dangerous precedent is it not, awarding titles based on the previous season`s results? As Pep said of the ESL `It`s not sport if success is guaranteed`.


So what's the answer? Brora got more points in 3 games than Brechin have in 18. Surely Brechin can't be allowed to survive again through default?

If the playoffs had happened last season and Brora had failed, I think there would be a case to deny them this time but they do deserve their shot IMO.

Highland League clubs also voted to award Brora the league so it's been agreed by their peers.
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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: arpar  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 18:11

If they cancel the League 2 playoff due to fairness what will stop the Premier League team 11 putting an objection to the playoffs as the Championship have played less games and then again for the Championship T9 to object to the playoffs as league 1 teams have played less games. Could open a can of worms there.

While Brora and Kelty have had short or non existent seasons they have been put forward for the playoffs. If there not the best teams in their leagues that can only benefit Brechin. The fact they will have had very little games under their belts will also benefit Brechin. Just go out and win the playoff and stay in the league on merit. The fact they want the old firm colts into the league won't do them any favours.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 20:34

Brora have clearly no right to be in the playoffs based on the 2020/21 season. Thankfully they did win the league last year also, whether it was officially awarded or not (I don't know), so they have earned some sort of right to be there as the Highland League representatives.

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 22:49

Remember highland and lowland league teams voted and agreed to end season on a PPG same as every league in Scotland done last year as well as highland and lowland leagues.
No different. Game is due to be played and SPfl appear to be looking for a way out of this match between winner and team 42 Brechin.

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: Connor560  
Date:   Thu 29 Apr 15:42

Game on for these clubs.

Brora to host on Tueaday with the return leg on Saturday 8th at Kelty.

C'mon Ye Pars!
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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Thu 29 Apr 16:01

Brilliant news for both clubs!
May the best team win.

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Thu 29 Apr 17:43

I would love to see Brora in the league. It would make a cracking away game if we got them in the cup.

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Thu 29 Apr 18:30

"I would love to see Brora in the league. It would make a cracking away game if we got them in the cup.

That`s what Hearts thought ....

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Thu 29 Apr 18:49

I think it`s only fair the games go ahead.covid is to blame at least it gives some conclusion.

maybe unfortunate for clubs at the bottom of the league but thats what leagues are about

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 29 Apr 20:33

Here`s a pub quiz question for DAFC fans - which former Par was player/manager of Brora Rangers and tragically died at an early age ?

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 Re: Kelty + Brora Blow
Topic Originator: sintv  
Date:   Thu 29 Apr 20:34

Brora v Kelty may 4th - star wars day- with the return may 8th.
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