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 Racist Abuse Getting Worse?
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 15:58

Perhaps some of the racists who normally vent their abuse at black and Asian players at the game are somewhat frustrated during the pandemic and have increasingly switched to social media to spew their bile?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56714760

Whatever the reasons, something needs to be done - it's completely unacceptable that these morons should be allowed to peddle their hatred with impunity. How hard can it be to track down the source of any abuse and hit them with a very hefty fine followed by a custodial sentence for any subsequent offence?



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 Re: Racist Abuse Getting Worse?
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 16:07

To be honest I think we'd kidded ourselves a bit as to how well the battle against racism was going.
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 Re: Racist Abuse Getting Worse?
Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 17:07

Sadly I think the more it is broadcasted (and it is broadcasted a lot just now), the more it`s going to happen. The more you tell idiots on social media to stop doing something, the more they will keep doing it. That`s the sad reality we live in. These idiots are getting attention and they don`t care if it`s negative attention.

Social media can be such a poisonous tool. You can contact pretty much anyone you want in the world and give them death threats or abuse.

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 Re: Racist Abuse Getting Worse?
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 17:14

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londonparsfan, Mon 12 Apr 16:07

To be honest I think we'd kidded ourselves a bit as to how well the battle against racism was going.


This.
I have a very good friend who is a reasonably successful recording artist, he likes to go out busking during the Edinburgh Festival if he's around. Often I would go meet him toward the end of a session to hang out maybe get a pint or two...Stevie always had the right paperwork/permits if required and could easily prove who he was.
On a few occasions he would be playing and the police would rock up and check his bags and on occasion make him open his amp....to look for drugs, he didn't use drugs and due to a recent heart attack wouldn't even touch coffee now.
Now, I easily looked way more sketchy and was way more prone to have been misbehaving, not once did I get the same pressure.
I have to assume the cops were stereotyping, I mean I had braided coloured hair, dressed weird, acted weird (at times I was mentally ill) and was generally odd looking...but then again not the stereotype they were interested in.
I'm lucky enough through music mainly to have had a pretty multicultural life, I'm unlucky enough to have witnessed racism right across those friendships.
The problem i have us that recent efforts...and I know this won't be a popular stance....have been little more than virtue signalling because of an event...it shouldn't be that way.
Our country is almost entirely run by old white money, it's unlikely that old white money will respect the source of much of it, the people exploited to make it, thus for now we are almost cursed with embedded tropes that won't be gotten rid off easily.
None of the current politicos in charge give one **** about this, it mostly doesn't affect them, by all means kid yourself but the UK, right now...is pretty damn racist.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: Racist Abuse Getting Worse?
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 17:29

The general public are more likely to call out racists now (like happened with that local numpty who recorded himself hurling abuse at Morelos) but the internet makes it easier for people to hide behind a username and find other racists and bigots.

We still live in a society where some people seem to believe that someone who is non-white can't be from this country whereas someone who's parents are white Scandinavian are accepted without question.
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 Re: Racist Abuse Getting Worse?
Topic Originator: rossmcno1  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 00:52

It’s never really gone away unfortunately and has just been bubbling under the surface. Recent political swings to the right have also encouraged a bit more of a blame the unfamiliar culture, and that means that non whites, non local, non heterosexual, basically anything that’s not “majority or norm” seems much more fair game. And social media is a worldwide platform for this abuse to be peddled. 20 years ago you’d have heard a racist muttering in a pub, now that’s less likely, but it is likely you’d see it amongst millions on a worldwide platform.

Rasta is right too. When you spend more time with people of colour it becomes apparent how there is that slight edge and difference on how they are treated, opens the eyes.



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 Re: Racist Abuse Getting Worse?
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 12:15

U.K. the home of the ‘hostile environment’ and brexit getting more racist?

Who knew. The racists have been empowered and encouraged by those running the country and it suits as it keep the limelight on others.

Just sitting here drenched in my own negativity!
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 Re: Racist Abuse Getting Worse?
Topic Originator: WarringtonPar  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 12:27

Worth noting that the racist abuse aimed at Son from Spurs this weekend came from addresses in India.
Glen Kamara has been bombarded by abuse from fans with addresses in the Czech Republic.

No excuse for racist abuse evident in this country but the issue is a global problem.
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 Re: Racist Abuse Getting Worse?
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 15:28

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WarringtonPar, Tue 13 Apr 12:27

Worth noting that the racist abuse aimed at Son from Spurs this weekend came from addresses in India.
Glen Kamara has been bombarded by abuse from fans with addresses in the Czech Republic.

No excuse for racist abuse evident in this country but the issue is a global problem.


The fact that racism exists all over the world should not be used as an excuse to tolerate it here, which is what I think is what you're saying, WP.

For me, even worse than the abuse itself is the apparent lack of action by social media platforms, our political leaders and the Police. Is it so difficult to track down the morons who are posting the abuse?

Apparently there's no such thing as "race." It was term invented to discriminate against people of different skin tones. Genetically, a "white" person can have more in common with a "black" person than a relative.



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 Re: Racist Abuse Getting Worse?
Topic Originator: WarringtonPar  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 18:31

Not in the slightest GG but I don’t think you should use Brexit as a reason either. Unfortunately it’s always been here and needs to be eradicated through education and the efforts of right minded people everywhere. I was drawing attention to the fact the recent headlines around racist behaviour against players in this country are naturally linked to people in the UK when in fact many come from Eastern Europe and in this weekends case India.
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 Re: Racist Abuse Getting Worse?
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 19:00

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WarringtonPar, Tue 13 Apr 18:31

Not in the slightest GG but I don’t think you should use Brexit as a reason either. Unfortunately it’s always been here and needs to be eradicated through education and the efforts of right minded people everywhere. I was drawing attention to the fact the recent headlines around racist behaviour against players in this country are naturally linked to people in the UK when in fact many come from Eastern Europe and in this weekends case India.


I agree that racism is rampant in Eastern Europe, but it doesn't make me feel any better. Is it bad in India? I've no idea. I didn't mention Brexit, btw. You've probably got me mixed up with another poster, but it's undoubtedly true that that xenophobia played a part in the way some people voted in the Brexit Referendum. My pals brother in law voted Leave and when asked why he replied that there were too many Muslims in this country for his liking.

I wonder which part of the European Union these Muslims have come from?

Eta. Children are already taught to respect people of different ethnicity and religion in all our schools. Unfortunately, they learn hatred and intolerance from relatives and friends they come in contact with. And there's the problem.



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 Re: Racist Abuse Getting Worse?
Topic Originator: Kdy Par  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 20:22

Iain Davidson at Raith is being accused of racially abusing Todorov at ICT. Wonder how the SPFL will deal with this.
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 Re: Racist Abuse Getting Worse?
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 20:05

A 10-match ban has been given to Ondrej Kudela for racially abusing Glen Kamara after the Rangers-Slavia game at Ibrox. That`s the lowest ban possible apparently. Kamara was banned for 3 games for assaulting Kudela in the tunnel after the game. That was reduced from 5 games on appeal.

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 Re: Racist Abuse Getting Worse?
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 22:28

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wee eck, Wed 14 Apr 20:05

A 10-match ban has been given to Ondrej Kudela for racially abusing Glen Kamara after the Rangers-Slavia game at Ibrox. That`s the lowest ban possible apparently. Kamara was banned for 3 games for assaulting Kudela in the tunnel after the game. That was reduced from 5 games on appeal.


How can that be right though-a 10 match ban for Kudela for saying words, but only a 3 match ban for Kamara for an actual physical assault. Should have been the other way round surely
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 Re: Racist Abuse Getting Worse?
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 23:05

`I agree that racism is rampant in Eastern Europe, but it doesn`t make me feel any better. `

There`s not much evidence for that, GG. As you know I live in Eastern Europe and after around 15 years in the metro and bars of Moscow I cannot say the situation is any better, or worse, than in the Scotland I left. It`s about equal, depending on how much has been drunk. We`re all Jock Thamson`s bairns until there is an argument over the bill. The virulent anti-Catholicism I witnessed first hand, as a football fan in my teenage years, has no equivalent in Russia.

The Russian football team, as indeed was the USSR team, is drawn from a wide area but is generally white, as you will all have seen. Very few tattoos, not many ZZ Top beards. Masculinity is embedded in the culture, not something that has to be asserted. Dzuba does not need such accoutrements. The Russian fans see on their TVs the preponderance of mixed race players in England and France and think this is cheating. When I explain that players such as Mbappe were actually born in France the Russians then say the Western Europeans are making a a virtue out of colonialism.

Which is not far off the mark. But no more so than the old USSR which called on players far and wide, especially from Ukraine.. However these players were seen as `Slavic` - a general term I admit. To the Russians the mixed race players- who are in the majority in both the England team and many top Euro teams- are not genuine players of that team or country. Even although there are plenty such plying their trade in Russia.

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 Re: Racist Abuse Getting Worse?
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 15 Apr 07:16

"`I agree that racism is rampant in Eastern Europe, but it doesn`t make me feel any better. `

There`s not much evidence for that, GG. As you know I live in Eastern Europe and after around 15 years in the metro and bars of Moscow I cannot say the situation is any better, or worse, than in the Scotland I left. It`s about equal, depending on how much has been drunk. We`re all Jock Thamson`s bairns until there is an argument over the bill. The virulent anti-Catholicism I witnessed first hand, as a football fan in my teenage years, has no equivalent in Russia."

As our resident Man on the Spot in Moscow, I`ll take that gentle rebuke on the chin, Sammer, but I was referring specifically to racist abuse in a football context, rather than across their entire societies. From recent memory, fans from several Balkan states and those around them, have behaved in a shameful manner at various venues. The list includes Serbia, Croatia, (North) Macedonia, Hungary, Romania and Ukraine. I`m fairly certain Zenit fans have been implicated, too and I may have inadvertently have omitted Bulgaria AND Poland. The former DDR part of Germany is also notorious as a breeding ground for the far right `Nazi Skins`.



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 Re: Racist Abuse Getting Worse?
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Thu 15 Apr 08:56

There's plenty evidence of racism in Russian football. Just Google Russian racism football....
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 Re: Racist Abuse Getting Worse?
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Thu 15 Apr 09:36

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londonparsfan, Thu 15 Apr 08:56

There's plenty evidence of racism in Russian football. Just Google Russian racism football....



Done this dance with sammer before, his heads firmly in the sand. I do like how he uses proof that him, as a white male hasn't experienced much racism in the bars around Moscow as proof that everything's fine.

If you point out news articles or whatever he'll point it out as some Western Media propeganda.

Having spent a bit of time (and currently residing in Eastern Europe) it is undoubtedly more homophobic and racist. Seen less sectarianism though.
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