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 New European Super League
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 14:27

5 English teams sign up for new European Super League.

Includes Tottenham, Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester United and Chelsea.

Hope they take The Rangers and Celtic with them.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9484141/FIVE-Premier-League-teams-sign-European-Super-League-snub-UEFA.html

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 15:07

It sounds like they are trying to force UEFA’s hand using a new breakaway league as a threat. These clubs aren’t talking about leaving their domestic leagues. Juventus are one of the clubs saying that they should be in the Champions League every year whether they qualify or not and want UEFA to allow certain clubs guaranteed entry.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 15:43

They should be made to withdraw from the league`s, will become seriously devalued anyway.

As for the ugly sisters, if they left would seriously enhance our league I think, but they won`t be invited, I keep on hearing about their "Worldwide reach", but it`s wildly overstated.

Scotland has a population of 5M, therefore a tiny TV audience, so no invite then.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: ParfectXI  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 15:52

If the ugly sisters were to go the SPFL would probably want their reserve or Colt teams to take their place.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 16:19

This has been talked about time and time again... I'd be very surprised if it actually happens.
As for Newco and Celic.... They'd get thumped in a league wi that calibre of club.
Lots of very vague words in that report too.... Reads like a slow day at the mail so let's dig up an old story.


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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: yorkiepar  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 16:36

English Premier League has come out against it : "The Premier League condemns any proposal that attacks the principles of open competition and sporting merit which are at the heart of the domestic and European football pyramid. Fans of any club in England and across Europe can currently dream that their team may climb to the top and play against the best. We believe that the concept of a European Super League would destroy this dream."

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 16:54

BREAKING - A European Super League is expected to be announced tonight, according to reports.

No German or French clubs are currently involved.

Man United, Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico, Inter, AC Milan and Juventus are. https://t.co/rDInObI8iY

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 17:16

This is elite teams attempting to bully UEFA into change with regards champions league and inviting teams into it, rather than on merit.
This won’t get off the ground unless teams leave their domestic leagues which won’t happen. Pure greed by an elite few. Good to see Bayern showing a little integrity on this one so far. No thought for the fans.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: AlterPar  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 18:16

I’d rather have a cup of cheese than watch that muck
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Foghorn Leghorn  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 18:22

So is this a proposed league that nobody can be relegated from?
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 18:30

There's no smoke without fire. Sooner or later, I think these clubs will get their wish, either with FIFA's and UEFA's blessing or without. If these clubs form a pirate league, they'll take the best players in the world with them and the world and European football authorities cannot afford to do without them any more than any other sport.

Colombia ran a pirate league in the 50s, I think and lured many top players, like Alfredo Di Stefano. Eventually they were welcomed back into the FIFA fold.



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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 18:50

Gary Neville had a rant about it.
https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1383832540054659082?s=19

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 19:30

I don't really understand this league. I get the likes of Man Utd and Man City but then Tottenham?!

Fairly rich for anyone involved with the English Premiership to be talking about self-preservation.

I suspect this is just a move to buy more power elsewhere. Pathetic.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 19:46

Cheers for that salton, my estimation of Gary Neville just went way up.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 19:51

Slightly longer and even more emotive rant by Neville Here.

He's absolutely right
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 19:53

Neville was spot on. If these teams have signed a letter of intent, uefa should ban them immediately from next season tournament and premier league should impose whatever sanctions needed. Fans need to stand against their own clubs on this one.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 20:09

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Jeffery, Sun 18 Apr 19:51

Slightly longer and even more emotive rant by Neville Here.

He's absolutely right


He is right but he works for SKY and they'll almost certainly be involved in contract negotiations with these clubs, just as they were in the run up to the Premier League.



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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 20:21

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GG Riva, Sun 18 Apr 20:09

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Jeffery, Sun 18 Apr 19:51

Slightly longer and even more emotive rant by Neville Here.

He's absolutely right


He is right but he works for SKY and they'll almost certainly be involved in contract negotiations with these clubs, just as they were in the run up to the Premier League.


Possibly but SKY still broadcast that rant. If they wanted this all to be signed off quietly all the presenters would have been warned.

If Neville's p45 is delivered soon then you may be proven right.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 20:35

Or maybe Sky aren`t involved at all hence why their pundits are given free rein to rant.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 20:38

Safe to say Gary isn't a fan!
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Ben,D.A  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 20:53

Would players who sign for those teams be legible to play international football?

only 11 make the team,the rest can just but dream.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: yorkiepar  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 20:59

“ Would players who sign for those teams be legible to play international football?”

That remains to be seen, Ben. But FIFA are currently saying that they wouldn’t.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 21:16

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yorkiepar, Sun 18 Apr 20:59

“ Would players who sign for those teams be legible to play international football?”

That remains to be seen, Ben. But FIFA are currently saying that they wouldn’t.


FIFA could well ban them from international football, but what attraction would a World Cup (or the Euros) have without the top players? The reality would be that they either wouldn't carry the threat through, or welcome them back after a short exile.



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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 21:22

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The One Who Knocks, Sun 18 Apr 20:35

Or maybe Sky aren`t involved at all hence why their pundits are given free rein to rant.


Well you may be right, TOWK, but I wouldn't be so sure. SKY are normally in the vanguard of any potential money making scheme, as they have amply demonstrated in the past.



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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: yorkiepar  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 21:34

Tish, GG, you’re getting awfully cynical in your old age!

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 22:03

Sky? It's more likely that this Super League would have there own channel and platform ,much like Rodger Mitchell was going to do with the SPL ,before the Old Firm torpedoed it ,at the time Yorkston and the rest of the league were going to go it alone .

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 22:13

Aye perfect for UK clubs fans with brexit and all that 🙈 nobody deserves to have automatic entry into any European level competition. It defeats the whole value of the competition. It's the exclusivity of it that makes it the money pit it is. Sponsors wouldn't pay for same old same old.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 22:16

Bayern Dortmund and PSG were invited and turned down this as a bad idea.
BT sports panel address this
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1161971060891283

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 22:23

Fergies statement we get a mention

FERGIE: FANS LOVE THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE AS IT IS

Legendary former Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has commented on the European Super League plans.

He told Reuters: “Talk of a Super League is a move away from 70 years of European club football. Both as a player for a provincial team Dunfermline in the 60s and as a manager at Aberdeen winning the European Cup Winners’ Cup, for a small provincial club in Scotland it was like climbing Mount Everest.

“Everton are spending £500 million to build a new stadium with the ambition to play in Champions League. Fans all over love the competition as it is.

“In my time at United, we played in four Champions League finals and they were always the most special of nights. I’m not sure [if] Manchester United are involved in this, as I am not part of the decision making process.”
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 22:42

What a load of absolute tosh.This will never happen.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: doctordandruff  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 23:00

Effectively, a small number of very wealthy men want to make themselves richer by destroying domestic football in those countries. Would like to hear what the likes of Pogba, Kane, Messi think of being stripped of the ability to play for their country so those very rich men can become a little richer.

On a positive note, solves our Tierney/Robertson conundrum as neither will be eligible.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Big T Par  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 23:27

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twin par, Sun 18 Apr 22:42

What a load of absolute tosh.This will never happen.


https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/431801-leading-european-football-clubs-announce-new-super-league-competition

FVCK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM



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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 23:38

Sorry Twin Par it looks like it's a goer
Super League statement
The statement reads: “Twelve of Europe’s leading football clubs have today come together to announce they have agreed to establish a new mid-week competition, the Super League, governed by its founding clubs.

“AC Milan, Arsenal, Atletico Madrid, Chelsea, Barcelona, Inter Milan, Juventus, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United, Real Madrid and Tottenham Hotspur have all joined as founding clubs.

“It is anticipated that a further three clubs will join ahead of the inaugural season, which is intended to commence as soon as practicable.”

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: par-ticular  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 23:42

Note all the English clubs are foreign owned, even Spurs are owned by a Bahamas co. So no allegiance to English Football.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Big T Par  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 23:46

Rumours of Buyern, Leipzig and Porto being the other three. Unfvckinbelieveable

Disclaimer: Those rumours are on twitter, so could be pihs



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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 00:29

This is probably symptomatic of the game generally. Bigger clubs look for means of earning more money while the smaller clubs struggle to survive.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 00:37

Champions League and Europa league have been temporarily cancelled just announced.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: rossmcno1  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 00:45

Not yet Adamants, UEFA meeting imminent to decide what to do.

This has been in the post since the creation of the Champions League and the allowing of the “non-champions” to be admitted.



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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Jbob  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 06:29

And so the hogs head off to another trough.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 07:27

This proposal has been on the cards for a long time. In 2013, I posted on here that it might become a reality in 10 years time. It would give me no pleasure whatsoever to be proved right. The closed shop arrangements are disgusting and go against the meritocracy of sport - if you`re club is good enough it can climb to the pinnacle of the game.

Elite club owners are not interested in anything that resembles meritocracy, of course. They just want a perpetual, guaranteed money making scheme, which is exactly what this ESL would provide. It may just be posturing and sabre rattling to win even more concessions from UEFA.

Older fans will remember when we had 3 club competitions; the Champions Cup, Cup Winners Cup and Fairs/UEFA Cup. Each competition was a straight, home and away knock out, with an all in draw, although the early rounds of the Fairs Cup were regionalised. This arrangement was very popular and endured for over 30 years.

The first rumblings of discontent surfaced in 1987. Real Madrid were drawn against Napoli in the first round of the Champions Cup. The Spaniards won through on aggregate but much regret was expressed that Napoli and Maradona had been eliminated so early and that with a favourable draw, these teams could have contested the final itself. As a direct consequence of that game, seeding of the big clubs was introduced. That was the beginning of the slippery slope.

By 1992 the Champions Cup morphed into a bloated Champions League, complete with seedings and two group stages, as well as up to 4 teams from the big leagues. Champions of smaller countries were forced to play in preliminary qualifying rounds to access the first group stage, where they were invariably humbled by some club who`d never been champions of their own country. With so many teams in the CL, the days of the CWC were numbered and it was binned in 1999. The UEFA Cup became the Europa League a second class CL, complete with group stages.

Not content with that, the elite clubs pushed for automatic entry into the CL group stages based on historical success rather than league position the previous season, thereby limiting the opportunities of the champion clubs from smaller countries. Just when you think things couldn`t get any worse....



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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 08:30

IMOP I feel that this is only about the foreign investors making bigger profits. They don't care about fans, apart from the only time that are interested that's when it's season ticket renewal and people buying the new strips.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 08:38

I don't think they even care about season ticket renewals that much to be honest. The ticket revenue is a relatively small amount of total revenue for the big clubs.

It's all corporate hospitality, broadcast rights and merchandising/advertising.

Sad day for football. Even if it doesn't come about its clearly putting pressure on UEFA to adapt the CL so that so called elite clubs are guaranteed entry and more money from the CL which will be to the smaller clubs disadvantage.

Embarrassing from everyone involved. I won't be going to any games but I doubt anyone will be bothered about that as there will be a TV audience for it somewhere.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 08:41

Fans. The heart of any club, most important element of all, ignored, treated with utter disdain.
Maybe an organised mass boycott with the prospect of continued empty stadiums even when some normality returns ....

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 09:10

Fans shafted again.

The leagues have to take some responsibility for allowing clubs to be bought by foreign persons only interested in making money




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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 09:22

Not wishing to be pedantic GG - but for accuracy.

"Older fans will remember when we had 3 club competitions; the Champions Cup, Cup Winners Cup and Fairs/UEFA Cup. Each competition was a straight, home and away knock out, with an all in draw, although the early rounds of the Fairs Cup were regionalised. This arrangement was very popular and endured for over 30 years."

If memory serves, the original Fairs Cup format was not for clubs. it was representative sides from major cities - also, the early finals were two leg affairs.

One interesting aspect of the ECWC - it was never retained by the defending previous winners.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Socks  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 09:24

The concept is obviously hideous. I have no interest in watching the current European competitions and obviously wouldn`t be watching games in this new one, should it come to pass. The only good thing is that it doesn`t cause me to have any conflicted feelings.

How about those of you who do watch a lot of European football? Will you tell them to stick it on principle or will you continue to watch? It would be good if everyone refused to watch it, because everyone who does is complicit in this happening. Understandable for those whose clubs are involved who just want to watch their team play but no so much for anyone else.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: kechal7  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 09:37

This is essentially a retaliation to the new Champions League format that will be announced later today. A further expansion bringing in yet more clubs and taking away from whole idea of it being the best of the best. I`m not for or against the Super League, but the concept has it`s merits. I don`t think it should be a closed shop, but the premier competition should be about the best teams. There are another two competitions already for other teams, which also doesn`t give Uefa a leg to stand on regarding revenue. This competition wouldn`t disrupt any domestic leagues, it`s just clubs opting to play in a different competition midweek. Let`s see what happens with the Champions League today.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 09:46

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kechal7, Mon 19 Apr 09:37

This is essentially a retaliation to the new Champions League format that will be announced later today. A further expansion bringing in yet more clubs and taking away from whole idea of it being the best of the best. I`m not for or against the Super League, but the concept has it`s merits. I don`t think it should be a closed shop, but the premier competition should be about the best teams. There are another two competitions already for other teams, which also doesn`t give Uefa a leg to stand on regarding revenue. This competition wouldn`t disrupt any domestic leagues, it`s just clubs opting to play in a different competition midweek. Let`s see what happens with the Champions League today.


So the Champions league should be about the "best of the best" is that the champions of each country playing each other ,or teams that finish 7th in their league Arsenal still in the champions league ?

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 09:58

AC Milan haven't been one of the best teams since about the 90s. The rarity of some of the games in Europe was what made the games special. The big clubs aren't bothered about sporting merit it's a money grab pure and simple.

There's been a continual drive towards protecting the interests of the big clubs as GG notes in the changes over the years to European competition.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 10:19

Just as a point of order lpf, AC Milan won the champions league in 2003 and 2007.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 10:29

Salton, just heard an Arsenal fan on the radio. Said of course he wants them playing in a champions league, but only on merit, where’s the challenge of a top Premier league place otherwise?

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 10:41

Mourinho has just left Spurs, imagine it will be because he’s against all this, timing fits nicely. Granted he has been going through a bad patch though.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 10:43

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The One Who Knocks, Mon 19 Apr 10:19

Just as a point of order lpf, AC Milan won the champions league in 2003 and 2007.


Fair point! I was being a bit flippant there though 😀
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: vasco  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 10:53

These aren`t football clubs anymore. They are now just businesses whose sole purpose is making money for their owners. Success isn`t relevant if you compete in a league from which you have a guaranteed membership and can`t be relegated.
We are presented with this self-interest cabal / cartel operating in Europe just to make even more money for the super-rich owners who don`t give a flying feck for the fans.
It was the fans in Scotland that stopped The Rangers being slotted straight into the then SPL in 2012, you would think the fans can stop the Super League by boycotting the games and the TV subscriptions. Problem is that so much of the market is in the far east where they will lap this up.
If it wasn`t for Sky there would be a fraction of the absurd volume of money circulating in the EPL and few English clubs competing at the top level. Rupert Murdoch has a lot to answer for as top level football in England was priced out of reach of many true fans. Now it will apply to much of Europe.
So sad to say I think this is going to happen and hell mend the owners and broadcasters.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 10:57

I`ve no interest in the Champions league. Can`t remember the last time I watched a game except for the Final itself. Gary Neville can bump his gums all he wants but if Sky agree a deal to broadcast this horrible tournament then him and all his cronies including all the new trendy Sky box-tickers will be all over it like a rash.

Give me a game like Alloa v Dundee any day of the week. Might not be the best fitba but at least it`s honest and for the fans.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 11:10

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da_no_1, Mon 19 Apr 10:57

I`ve no interest in the Champions league. Can`t remember the last time I watched a game except for the Final itself. Gary Neville can bump his gums all he wants but if Sky agree a deal to broadcast this horrible tournament then him and all his cronies including all the new trendy Sky box-tickers will be all over it like a rash.

Give me a game like Alloa v Dundee any day of the week. Might not be the best fitba but at least it`s honest and for the fans.




Agree DA. I don’t watch the final anymore.
Scottish Cup Final Nae bother.
“Champions League” washing my mullet that day.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 11:12

The thing is it's not though. We've got the same issues in Scotland where our bigger clubs look to implement protectionist policies that limited competition and drive revenue to the bigger clubs. Its why we've got the league set up we have with playoffs that allow teams in the division above a chance to stay up. The only difference in Scotland is that we don't have as much money and nobody outside of the country really cares. We're not more egalitarian though.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 11:31

Maybe PSG could be awarded the champions league this year as punishment against the other semi finalists who are in on this.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 11:37

I think the only thing that stops this nonsense is for all these teams to be banished from their domestic leagues immediately and players banned from international football.
From a Scotland perspective, I would hope Andrew Robertson and Tierney will have no plans to stay with their clubs.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 11:38

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yorkiepar, Sun 18 Apr 20:59

“ Would players who sign for those teams be legible to play international football?”

That remains to be seen, Ben. But FIFA are currently saying that they wouldn’t.


More to the point I wonder to what extent it would affect current contracts. Is there stipulations from players with regards to playing in champions league.

My understanding is they are not leaving thier respective leagues, they are going to play this league midweek.

With that being the case then I can see the whole court of abritation of sport being involved in a case by players about being ineligible for international duty.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 11:49

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“ Would players who sign for those teams be legible to play international football?”

That remains to be seen, Ben. But FIFA are currently saying that they wouldn’t.


More to the point I wonder to what extent it would affect current contracts. Is there stipulations from players with regards to playing in champions league.

My understanding is they are not leaving thier respective leagues, they are going to play this league midweek.

With that being the case then I can see the whole court of abritation of sport being involved in a case by players about being ineligible for international duty.


How would this work if they are allowed to remain in their domestic leagues?
They are banned from the new look Champions League so do you just cherry pick the teams nearest the top who aren’t in this new set up?
The EFL should kick all of them out pronto.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 12:33

The Champions League stopped being the Champions League when they let in teams who weren't Champions to (hopefully) punt out some of the "lesser" champions so there would be fewer big teams knocked out early. Everything in favour of keeping the big clubs big.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 12:40

The gripe is with Champions league not giving them what they want. They still want to play in their respective leagues.
Some clubs have already had representatives with roles in ECA (European club association) and UEFA have resigned as they are part of the new super league.

This is going ahead, hope it causes severe ramifications for each club involved from their league associations.
Perfect penalty is to relegated them to a division where European competition is not part of rewards. Effectively kicking them out the game and hitting league prize money. Fines and points deduction.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 12:57

If this is accurate they could be banned from playing domestic football:

https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/mediaservices/mediareleases/news/0268-12121411400e-7897186e699a-1000--statement-by-uefa-the-english-football-association-the-premier-/

I don't see it coming to that but it's the right threat to make at this stage.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 13:17

They can't stop players playing international games just because they happen to be at a club whose owners have been swayed by greed. You'd have to at least give the player time to get out of there before imposing that sanction.

Could be a really interesting yard stick of how much players actually want to play for their countries!
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 13:28

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Jeffery, Mon 19 Apr 13:17

They can't stop players playing international games just because they happen to be at a club whose owners have been swayed by greed. You'd have to at least give the player time to get out of there before imposing that sanction.

Could be a really interesting yard stick of how much players actually want to play for their countries!


^^^^ Totally agree with this. They are after all simply "employees".

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: ghostrider  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 13:31

I find it really ironic that UEFA are complaining about this - talking about sporting integrity when their flagship tournament (Champions league) is practically a closed shop to the elite leagues.

UEFA represent 55 different national associations yet this tournament only has 32 places. Fair enough not everyone can get in so you have some pre-qualifiers.

However 75% of the automatic places are guaranteed taken to the 10 top associations and even possible 81% (if non qualified team from these associations win the EUFA Cup or Champions League).

Further - England, Spain, Italy & Germany guaranteed to fill 50% of available qualifiers.

So how can this be considered sporting integrity.....again nothing but greed from them as they want the big 6 nations covered from a TV revenue perspective and now don`t like the fact that the "big" clubs are doing to them what they have done to all the smaller associations.

As many have said money talks.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 13:54

Obviously this is business driven and not sport driven. When you have players and managers being paid large salaries it is inevitable that this will happen. I imagine that these gameswill become corporate events rather than true sporting events for fans and the average fan will not be able to afford a ticket to watch.

A few years ago I spoke with a guy who was working with a tech firm in Silicon Valley. They were developing VR technology that allowed you to watch a sporting event from anywhere in the ground. These techologies are coming
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 14:04

I said that VR was the obvious next step. It gives you the ability to sell unlimited seats to a fixture assuming you've got the tech infrastructure to deliver the content.

It won't ever replace the sensation of being at a game in our life time but in a lot of instances it would be better than just watching it on TV and as the tech gets better the experience should improve.

The potential revenue behind it must be huge.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 15:11

Yes the potential is huge. The idea that you can also be on the park (outfield player, keeper, ref, linesman etc) and being immersed in the whole experience from anywhere
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 15:38

I enjoyed watching Sky Premier games in 3D. Unfortunately that was stopped.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 15:46

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Indiapar, Mon 19 Apr 15:11

Yes the potential is huge. The idea that you can also be on the park (outfield player, keeper, ref, linesman etc) and being immersed in the whole experience from anywhere


I'd never thought of that angle. Not sure I'd want to be a linesman!
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 16:38

I still think there's a chance UEFA can head off a breakaway league if they give enough ground on what the rich clubs want. Have they made public their new proposals for the CL which were due to be released today?



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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 16:53

Yes. I believe the new CL format is 36 clubs (6 leagues of 6) in a league format playing each other 10 games in total, then 18 teams go head to head.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 17:03

Nah, just booot them out and be done with it.

They will not stop, if there`s the slightest compromise then they will just continue.

Goodbye to petrodollar derbies, Visit Rwanda, human rights abusers, dictators and kleptocrats.

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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 17:11

Government reportedly examining work permits, once BJ gets a backhander the investigation will drop!🤔💰💰💰🤬🤬🤬
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 17:28

Let's hope the famously philanthropic FIFA, who definitely didn't give a bent World Cup to Qatar, will come to the rescue.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 17:55

It's really weird being on the same side of the argument as BoJo.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 18:05

We need to start a petition in behalf of the Old Firm. It's a scandal that they weren't invited. I demand they get a place.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 18:19

Pretty sure Leicester, West ham, Everton and Leeds or Aston villa will be delighted to play champions league football next season.
That's the way I see it. Ok you want to do your super league thing crack on. We will still go ahead with our true European "competition". I fail to see where they can see billions of pounds in prize money? TV subscription packages. People pay far to much as it is.
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Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 18:25

After a season or so it would be like watching paint dry.

Arsenal for example will be quite happy being bottom as long as they pick up the cheque (same for all these "clubs") who is interested in watching Man U v Milan repeatedly? Where`s the edge?

Give me Pars v Alloa any day!

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 18:52

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Rusty Shackleford, Mon 19 Apr 17:28

Let's hope the famously philanthropic FIFA, who definitely didn't give a bent World Cup to Qatar, will come to the rescue.


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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 19:53

I say let them go for it. Ban them from domestic competitions and UEFA competitions and let them play in their silly wee league themselves. Then once the owners realise that there isn't much interest in it as the fans vote with their feet, we can all have a laugh as the decide that there isn't much need for 2 franchises in Manchester, so they merge City and United to become one united franchise, maybe call them the Manchester RedDevils in association with Red Bull. Perhaps the Manchester City Franchise can be moved to Abu Dhabi. Or United to Shanghai? It'll be interesting once a season at least, when the draft picks get announced
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 20:02

UEFA have just announced they'll make a decision on the clubs looking to join the proposed super league on Friday.



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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: arpar  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 20:50

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eastendalloapar, Mon 19 Apr 15:38

I enjoyed watching Sky Premier games in 3D. Unfortunately that was stopped.

I enjoyed watching the pars in 3D unfortunately that's been stopped as well!

Next season hopefully
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Topic Originator: BigJPar  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 21:32

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Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 21:37

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arpar, Mon 19 Apr 20:50

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eastendalloapar, Mon 19 Apr 15:38

I enjoyed watching Sky Premier games in 3D. Unfortunately that was stopped.

I enjoyed watching the pars in 3D unfortunately that's been stopped as well!

Next season hopefully


I was going to post about 3D TVs being a thing of the past then I got what you meant :-)
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 08:00

I`m edging towards the belief that it won`t happen if FIFA, UEFA and the National Football Associations unite to stand firmly against it. Amazingly, even the UK Government appear to be against it.

It wouldn`t do any harm if all the players of the 12 clubs said they wanted nothing to do with it. For the clubs coaches, it`s a bit more tricky - if they speak out too forcefully, they could easily be sacked. As for the fans, the owners of these clubs don`t give a stuff about them, otherwise they would have been consulted beforehand.

The new UEFA CL proposals, which will guarantee these teams a minimum of 10 games per season, may see the Dirty Dozen back down for now, but no doubt they`ll be back with another proposal within the next few years.



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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 08:47

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2019/07/11/us-authorities-seize-20-tons-of-cocaine-from-ship-owned-by-jp-morgan/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Looks like the funding has taken a hit too 😀
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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 09:01

Nobody likes to be taken for granted, or made a mug of.

Fans and their hard earned cash are powerful weapons, and social media a powerful organisational tool to ensure that dosh stays firmly in pockets.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 10:54

Looking forward to seeing the outcome of the meeting this morning with the other clubs.

Going to get proper interesting due to competition law they may just get this up and running. The element I do not like is Boris Johnson interference. Keep politics away from the game. Let the respective organisations deal with this and the clubs involved. They know the game they know the fans, it will end in tears for one or two of the so called big 6.
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Topic Originator: CAPar  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 11:09

Part of the problem for those who oppose it is that big money markets who will pay big money for these games, eg Asia and America, don't care about the traditions of European football.

All they're interested in is seeing these teams playing against each other.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 11:47

To be honest, I think I am coming round to the idea now.
If they want to go and play in their plastic league with their plastic fans watching on TV all round the world, then I say let them go.

They should be removed from their national leagues and cups, and the players should be banned from international football.

It is clear that the rest of football will lose money, but maybe that isn`t such a bad thing. Wages and expectations will be realigned and we might be left with something sustainable. The main reason that `real` football has been in so much financial trouble for decades is because of the crazy attempts to match the big teams in terms of wages. Once the big teams are gone there will be no reason to compete.

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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 12:10

Good points aaaaaaaaaargh, the dream scenario would be the bigot bros moving down south to get viewing figures up

East End Park is a symbol of all that is DAFC.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 12:34

Sounds like those teams have already signed a deal.

Not sure why Westminster are wading into this.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 13:22

I thought Boris Johnson was in favour of `greed`. He said that was the motivation behind the development of the Astra-Zeneca vaccine didn`t he?

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 13:23

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wee eck, Tue 20 Apr 13:22

I thought Boris Johnson was in favour of `greed`. He said that was the motivation behind the development of the Astra-Zeneca vaccine didn`t he?


He said exactly that, really should be health that was the driving force.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Jbob  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 16:03

Crystal ball time.
Its October 2021 and the new European Super league season kicks off.
All of the players involved have been banned from all other football. All of the clubs have been banned from all other associations. Their grounds have been taken over by EUFA.

Here are the opening commentary.

"Hello its John Inverdale reporting from Central Park Lochore where FC Barcelona are about to kick off against Manchester City. Barca #9 Leigh Griffiths knocks it back to David Goodwillie and we`re under way".

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 16:13

European Super League - latest key developments
The 14 Premier League clubs not involved in ESL met on Tuesday, and later released a statement saying they 'vigorously rejected plans' and were considering 'all actions available to prevent it'.
Everton released their own statement on Tuesday morning, slamming 'preposterous arrogance' of Big Six.
Pep Guardiola has called for more explanation from ESL chiefs: 'I would love the president of this committee to explain to the whole world why they took the decision.'
FIFA president Gianni Infantino says football's global governing body 'strongly disapproves' of plans. UEFA president Alexander Ceferin calls on ESL clubs to 'come to their senses'.
Board member at Big Six PL club has warned that they will not 'back down' - but Sky Sports News understands splits emerging among breakaway sides.
Bayern Munich say they 'reject a Super League,' while PSG club president Nasser Al-Khelaifi says move 'driven by self-interest'.
The 14 Premier League clubs want the six breakaway teams to remain in the Premier League but have made it clear that certain people from the six clubs would not be welcome back in the division.

There is also concern that executives from the six clubs have been sitting on very important Premier League committees and they have been privy to commercially sensitive and confidential information which could be used by the European Super League.

The 14 do not want to end up in a prolonged court case, but believer that whatever happens, the Premier League needs a total reset.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 16:14

Johnson unlike Corbyn, or Sttarmer who was booted out of a pub yesterday, has a sure nose for populist causes.

In some ways he is being entirely logical: Brexit was a triumph of exceptionalism and what better a symbol of English greatness than its world famous EPL brand! Long live global capital when it provides markets for EPL consumption. Notice too that foreign players flock to the EPL, whereas hardly any homegrown players bother to play in inferior continental leagues. Proof positive that Brexit, Boris and the EPL make for a booming Britain.

The problem for Johnson is that he is turning summersaults at the same time. Global capital, which he was due to entice from India this week, is now being presented as a threat. Foreign capital, some of it extremely dodgy, has been flowing through London exchanges and pushing up property prices for many a year but has suddenly become a bad thing. It turns out the answer for football might be to have restrictions on foreign ownership as in Germany- the very sort of EU type red tape that Brexit was supposed to tear to ribbons! Johnson has even made a few Corbynite type statements about clubs being rooted in the local community and having obligations to the plebs. It turns out the old Etonian is against closed shops and in favour of level playing fields.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 16:32

^^^^^Love the wit and irony, Sammer. 🙂

"To be honest, I think I am coming round to the idea now.
If they want to go and play in their plastic league with their plastic fans watching on TV all round the world, then I say let them go.

They should be removed from their national leagues and cups, and the players should be banned from international football.

It is clear that the rest of football will lose money, but maybe that isn`t such a bad thing. Wages and expectations will be realigned and we might be left with something sustainable. The main reason that `real` football has been in so much financial trouble for decades is because of the crazy attempts to match the big teams in terms of wages. Once the big teams are gone there will be no reason to compete."

If all these sanctions were put in place, many elite players may well decide to give the ESL a miss, which would sound its death knell.



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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 16:43

They blame everyone but themselves for the financial debts of the clubs. They are the ones that pay simply ludicrously high wages. Barca have £1b debt. Yet past 4 years paid Messi £489m ffs.

That's simply unsustainable. Tottenham £1.4b debt largely due to new stadium but even though ludicrous. It's their own fault they are in this predicament and I really hope they all get booted out of remaining European comps and leagues and lose revenues.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 17:17

Yeah it's comedy gold. Pèrez claiming this is needed to save football and its not. Its needed to save clubs that have racked up shed loads of debt and now can't afford to service that debt and continue to spend shed loads on transfer fees and wages.

City are an embarrassment as well. Having spent years trying to navigate the faux attempts at financial fair play (also known as the let keep this a closed shop regulations) they've thrown their lot in with the clubs that wanted to exclude them to try and limit other clubs access to top level European competition. The hypocrisy is strong and the fans aren't shy about letting them know. A poll on their equivalent of .Net has a rejection of the ESL running at around 95%.

I've got a Spurs mate that's possibly going to cancel his season ticket over it. The fans just don't want it.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 18:55

ITV news reporting Chelsea are drawing up plans to withdraw from the super league .



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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 19:06

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aaaaaaaaaargh, Tue 20 Apr 11:47

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It is clear that the rest of football will lose money, but maybe that isn`t such a bad thing. Wages and expectations will be realigned and we might be left with something sustainable. The main reason that `real` football has been in so much financial trouble for decades is because of the crazy attempts to match the big teams in terms of wages. Once the big teams are gone there will be no reason to compete.


Agree and there are some parallels with how people feel when the the rangers and Celtic talk about leaving the SPL.

I actually hope those two approach the 14 remaining premier league teams and ask about joining them. They'll never have a better chance to avoid working their way through the divisions.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 19:16

I doubt they would let them as the remaining clubs would see the top 2 in Scotland doing exactly what the so called top 6 are doing to them.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 19:24

Man City now pulling out.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 19:28

Athletico Madrid next to pull out .

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Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 19:34

Chelsea too
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 19:40

Embarrassing U-Turn

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 19:42

What a pointless exercise.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Mr Mac  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 19:43

Dick Campbell sums it up in his inimitable style......😂😂😂 Click here

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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 19:57

Spencey on the ball too 😂



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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 20:00

You've got to say, the European Super League knockout stage is already proving great entertainment.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 20:09

Ed Woodward reported as resigning as United chairman.
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Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 20:12

Told you guys,this won't happen!
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Topic Originator: par-ticular  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 20:13

I wouldn’t let them away with it ! Either deduct points or ban them from Europe for a year just to point out they are not untouchable as Souness says they didn’t decide this last week they’ve known for months!
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 20:14

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londonparsfan, Tue 20 Apr 20:09

Ed Woodward reported as resigning as United chairman.


Wonder if the Glazers are looking for a fall guy or if he's walking because he's against it.
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Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 20:15

City and Chelsea were rumoured to be the clubs who were hardest to convince, so no surprise first out. However these talks have been ongoing for months and months, so while all these top execs have been sitting round the table or zoom, basically lying to other owners and so on , deceitful. How do they gain the trust back.

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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 20:17

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Jeffery, Tue 20 Apr 20:14

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londonparsfan, Tue 20 Apr 20:09

Ed Woodward reported as resigning as United chairman.


Wonder if the Glazers are looking for a fall guy or if he's walking because he's against it.


Wondered that myself. Apparently Harry Maguire confronted him earlier according to reports as United players were against it too. Luke Shaw went public on Twitter too.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 20:20

All this has achieved is showing who the utter scumbag owners are.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 20:29

😂 brilliant! Wonder how much JP Morgan gonna take them for pulling out!! Haha get it right up ye's
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 20:38

Agnelli gone at Juve too by all accounts.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 20:38

Woodward was leaving anyway and its no big loss for Man U

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 20:44

European Super League - born asleep. 😟😔😕....... 😄

I've no doubts some of these executives will lick their wounds and lie low for a while before cooking up another cunning plan in 2 or 3 years time.



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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 20:58

Juve denying the chairman away now.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 21:54

I think Woodward used to work for JP Morgan. Was he not pencilled in as vice chairman of the ESL? I assume his resignation due in December has been announced to take the heat off the Glazers.

Johnson must be a little worried by this show of people power which has not been evident in the UK since the Poll Tax riot of the early 1990s. When the people realise they are more powerful than the bankers then governments become nervous.

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Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 22:41

Looks like there has been a major outbreak of common sense. Whoever was the mastermind behind this catastrophic idea was obviously completely out of tune with the fundamental historic principles of football competition in Europe. Every fan dreams of his team competing with the world`s elite. Even we had our moments in European competition. Aberdeen beat Real Madrid in a major final and the "wee team", (currently the big team) crossed swords with Bayern Munich.

A closed shop situation would never have appealed to fans whether at the games or paying to watch on TV. Sir Alex was quite correct in saying that fans are far happier with the Champions league as it is than the silly superleague proposal. I hope the instigators of this crawl off under a rock and dissappear. Who cares if Real Madrid can`t make ends meet. Tell them to spend less money.

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Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 22:53

I don`t think any executives will be lying low, they will be out the door fast, simple as. That`s the price.

An almighty screw up (so far)

Now it gets interesting, the remaining "clubs" have leveraged debt that`s eye watering, clearly have signed some sort of intractable deal with JP Morgan Chase (will they just leave??) And Real and "more than a football team" will have to explain to their fans how a relentless diet playing renowned European giants umm Tottenham and Arsenal will pay back their vast debts.

There can be no negotiation, football took this head on realising that is the only option. Any compromises will just be exploited, and we will be here again, but worse.

So screw them.

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Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 22:53

I am pretty sure it was Real behind it all. The la liga president was shall we say not backwards in coming forwards in his comments about him.
Seems to have been rushed with zero consideration for fans. I think if plans were drawn up and the released significantly more information and an allowance for it to be a more "open" competition. It may have been considered by leagues.
As it was it seems like a rash rushed ill advised thought out scheme to try and push UEFA into a corner hoping fans would go for their model.
Now that's gonna end up costing them, financially how poetic. Trust and fans will take alot of time to fix the damage done with reputation of said clubs.
Regardless if Man city, liverpool, Chelsea and Man city not going ahead with it they have caused significant damage to their "brands"
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 23:02

Arsenal confirm they are out on their Twitter feed.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 23:03

Liverpool confirm they are out on Twitter too.
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Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 23:03

Agreed, can you imagine how it would be if fans were allowed into the grounds? Oof.

Interesting to see what happens next season, especially in the sections of these stadiums reserved for tourist tickets, which is a huge income Real and Barca have lost.

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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 23:05

Looks like a coordinated release on Twitter by some of the English clubs as Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool and United all released confirmation about the same time.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 06:44

Football wins the day.

“What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It’s not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It’s the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. It’s a small boy clambering up stadium steps for the very first time, gripping his father’s hand, gawping at that hallowed stretch of turf beneath him and, without being able to do a thing about it, falling in love.”

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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 07:22

I am reflecting on what the Real chairman has said about losing young people from the game.
Is he correct in this and if so is the cause for this the very people who are trying to break away.
Also I liked the comments from Dick Campbell.
It would be great for us to think that a reset of football is on the cards, then I remember we have Neil Doncaster
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 07:33

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parsmad68, Wed 21 Apr 07:22

I am reflecting on what the Real chairman has said about losing young people from the game.
Is he correct in this and if so is the cause for this the very people who are trying to break away.
Also I liked the comments from Dick Campbell.
It would be great for us to think that a reset of football is on the cards, then I remember we have Neil Doncaster


You don't want any part of any "reset" orchestrated by the wealthy....because that's who it suit.

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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 10:00

Wow, I was gonna give it till the weekend but they surrendered even quicker than I did to Kate Winslet in my steamy dreamy last night ...

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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 10:22

Exactly Rasta, It’s all about more wealth for those already rolling in it.

“ Damn them all to Hell” headline of an article I read yesterday by sports journalist Martin Samuel.

Absolutely rips it to bits, clubs are just another asset in their portfolios, some of these owners have no concept of football’s place in the community, it’s working class origins, history, fan loyalty etc. A couple of them hardly even been inside the stadiums they own.

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Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 15:40

The comment from the Real Madrid chairman that the Super League idea was for the benefit of the younger supporter who was losing interest in the game because of too many poor quality matches doesn`t ring true. The Super League would have stifled competition and produced a boring round of pointless matches. Every so often you get one of the less wealthy teams such as Ajax, two seasons ago who provided such scintillating football in the latter stages of the champions league.

Of course those of us who regularly watch elite matches in the English Premiership and European competition do notice the difference in quality between these games and the Scottish Championship. It may put some off but it is a great thing to have your own local team and I hope the younger fan will appreciate that too.

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Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 20:13

What I am reading today is that the other clubs don't want to punish the wrong people which they would be doing if they deducted points, fines etc.
I think now the clubs are looking at it as a way ahead to level out the playing field where the top clubs have had too much of a say in where tv money etc prize money allocation and rules. This could actually work out in favour of a more sustainability and development in the future of football of the clubs not involved.

I think this is going to be seen as a warning to celtic and Rangers as well.
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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 21:36

I'm afraid the ugly sisters will see no such warning. As far as they are concerned there is no tv or sponsorship money without them ergo their entitlement is huge.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 08:17

Reports suggesting the EPL is looking to reduce the number of clubs and include Rangers and Celtic. Lot of fans down south not happy as they'd be parachuted straight in rather than working through the leagues. Johnson seemingly massively in favour as 1. It involves people being greedy and 2. He hopes it'll reduce Scottish nationalism.

I'd be over the moon if they'd go.
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Topic Originator: Lambo1885  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 08:21

"Reports suggesting the EPL is looking to reduce the number of clubs and include Rangers and Celtic. Lot of fans down south not happy as they`d be parachuted straight in rather than working through the leagues. Johnson seemingly massively in favour as 1. It involves people being greedy and 2. He hopes it`ll reduce Scottish nationalism.

I`d be over the moon if they`d go. "

Wouldn`t miss them either, as long as they`re not allowed to have `colt teams` in our league.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 08:35

If they go, they go. No comebacks even if relegated.

No doubt the league chiefs would freak but I'd hope for complete reform to make things fairer.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 09:14

I would be delighted if Rangers and Celtic left but suspect the rumours / reports are fake news.

Edited to say - Report is plastered all over a few papers this morning.



Maybe now getting a better understanding the devious plot to position two of their Colt teams in the Scottish League - Best of both worlds for them.

We need to stop their stranglehold on our domestic game.

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Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 10:52

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jake89, Thu 22 Apr 08:35

If they go, they go. No comebacks even if relegated.

No doubt the league chiefs would freak but I'd hope for complete reform to make things fairer.


This^^
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: PARS207  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 11:02

Let's hope they go for the benefit of all of us in Scottish football. Level playing field, real chance of domestic success.

Financially over a season teams wouldn't miss 3 or 4 visits from those teams in total, the interest from every other club would be advanced and home gates would rise as well for the full season am sure
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 11:12

It's funny how the view from down south is that if the old firm leave scottish football it's game over for the rest of us.

Imagine at the start of the season Hearts,Hibs and Aberdeen had the chance of winning the league and then qualifying for the top European competition all of those grounds would be sell outs and the travelling supports would also increase.

Even a provisional team at the start of the season might be more confident look at the way Killie competed a couple of season ago.

The issue would be TV Deals but I think there would be interest.

Scottish football would survive without the old firm
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 11:19

Agree Legend85

I might go as far as to say it would "Thrive" without the Old Firm.

It would be much more competitive which in turn would be more attractive to watch.

With a better spread/share of the sponsorship deals (even if it is reduced) could probably be more financially beneficial to the remaining clubs which in turn would allow them the opportunity to invest further into their own clubs which could benefit Scottish football as a whole.

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Topic Originator: PARS207  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 11:28

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DunfyDave, Thu 22 Apr 11:19

Agree Legend85

I might go as far as to say it would "Thrive" without the Old Firm.

It would be much more competitive which in turn would be more attractive to watch.

With a better spread/share of the sponsorship deals (even if it is reduced) could probably be more financially beneficial to the remaining clubs which in turn would allow them the opportunity to invest further into their own clubs which could benefit Scottish football as a whole.




spot on!!!

amazing the difference in attitudes north and south of the border, we can see losing 2 teams the rest of the clubs in the country can thrive while down south 6 clubs leave and football is finished!!
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 11:44

If Rangers and Celtic left - I would bring in Brora Rangers and Kelty Hearts and keep Brechin but only have two leagues.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 12:44

It would be great without them but there would need be change to ensure equity. If that's not in place then could argue that Aberdeen and Hibs could simply replace the OF.
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Topic Originator: yorkiepar  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 13:15

It’s simplistic to say that Scottish Football would survive without the Old Firm; at least not as we know it. Like it or not they command the largest groups of supporters, generate the greatest income and thereby attract the lion’s share of media attention. If they left so would the television money - don’t imagine for a moment that Dunfermline v Raith Rovers will ever replace the Old Firm derby matches.
But let’s assume for a minute that they do go. In reduced circumstances the remaining teams would be patching together squads comprising journeyman players - no disrespect intended - and trying to maintain the upkeep of decaying stadiums and other facilities. That’s not an attractive prospect for supporters or directors.
And sadly, as we all know, crowds are not increasing long-term. Florentine Perez is correct when he says that young people are attracted by other forms of entertainment. Their buzz is derived from sitting, playing shoot-‘em-up games on their computers; not sitting in freezing, driving rain watching, say, Arbroath and Queen of the South.
Will that trend ever change? I fear not. The world is changing ever faster and football definitely has to change with it. Nothing remains the same, even if we wish it did.
The ESL was a PR disaster, largely due to arrogance. But initiatives such as that will not go away so it’s better to be proactive and involved in discussion in anticipation of an uncertain future rather than sticking our heads in the sand, waiting for the inevitable and then bleating that we didn’t see it coming.

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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 13:36

Regarding the shenanigans down south, that chap from Braco would be birlin’ in his grave

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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 14:43

You would certainly find out who their real fans are if they were being pumped every week. Might boost our numbers nicely thank you very much. Especially when ticket prices edge up. Win win!
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 14:57

I have never understood why Scottish football panders to them. The 11-1 voting structure is absolutely bizarre for instance.

The truth of the matter is this - if Celtic and The Rangers have any avenue available to leave (EPL, North Atlantic League, European League), they`ll take it. You could give them all the TV and prize money and it still wouldn`t be enough to keep them here.

Why then bend over backwards to placate them? What does it matter if you put things in place that ensures more of the money trickles down the pyramid and helps out the other clubs? They might get upset and not like it. They may bleat on about leaving, but they`ve nowhere to go - until circumstances mean that they can. And at that time, they`ll go regardless.

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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 14:59

Absolutely spot on mate.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Fri 23 Apr 10:28

So Boris had his fingers in the pie before he rushed to save English football!🤔💰💷💰💷
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Fri 23 Apr 10:44

Eventually a league break-away is inevitable.

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Topic Originator: Sliema Par  
Date:   Fri 23 Apr 11:21

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Topic Originator: Swisspar  
Date:   Fri 23 Apr 14:15

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ParfectXI, Sun 18 Apr 15:52

If the ugly sisters were to go the SPFL would probably want their reserve or Colt teams to take their place.


Guaranteed.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 23 Apr 16:52

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LochgellyAlbert, Fri 23 Apr 10:28

So Boris had his fingers in the pie before he rushed to save English football!🤔💰💷💰💷


Is there a pie he doesn't molest?

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Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Fri 23 Apr 19:34

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Rastapari, Fri 23 Apr 16:52

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LochgellyAlbert, Fri 23 Apr 10:28

So Boris had his fingers in the pie before he rushed to save English football!🤔💰💷💰💷


Is there a pie he doesn't molest?


^^^ Quite partial to a Stephens Steak Bridie my source at No.10 informs me

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: ianbd6  
Date:   Fri 23 Apr 21:03

I am not sure why so many were surprised by the the greedy 12 wanting to set up a new league. The EPL was formed because the bigger club`s wanted a bigger slice of the TV cake. Real Madrid pushed for a European league what they got was the champions League. When Cardiff City finished finished bottom of the EPL and got more TV money than Real Madrid got for winning the Champions League and they were not too happy and said that it was ridiculous that a club finishing bottom of a league should be rewarded greater than a team winning a league. That was the beginning of the ESL. They are down but not out. It will happen again. Greed doesn`t go away. At the moment it is some of Europe`s big boys wanting more to try and offset the huge debts they have accumulated becoming the big boys. In the past it has been the bigger club`s at all levels wanting what they thought was their right. I remember when the home club had to give the away club a percentage of the gate which was eventually scrapped I guess because the bigger club`s thought it was their money why share. If I remember correctly even Dunfermline weren`t to happy that playing say East Stirling away in front of about 300 but when East Stirling came to EEP they would get a cut of a gate of maybe 1200. There will always be club`s that think they deserve a bigger slice of the cake sadly they usually get it.

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Topic Originator: yorkiepar  
Date:   Sat 24 Apr 09:48

David Moyes with an interesting take on a two-division Premier League involving Celtic and Rangers - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56865597. Secretly, since he’s one of our own, he’ll be looking longer term at The Pars joining the elite.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 24 Apr 09:54

I'm not in the least bit surprised, Ianbd. The bigger clubs have consistently tried to screw the smaller ones for as long as I can remember.

My first recollection was in the mid 60s when Rangers proposed reconstruction to two leagues of 16. Since there were 37 senior teams at that time, they suggested doing away with 5 teams - they even named them! From memory, Berwick, Brechin, East Strlingshire, Stenhousemuir and Stranraer. (Berwick exacted some revenge on them a few years later in a SC tie.) How that would have solved the games problems is beyond me. In the mid 70s, we got the Premier Division of 10 teams and home teams keeping the gate money. That was the start of the slippery slope between the haves and the have nots - i.e. the OF and the rest.

The executives at big clubs don't seem to realise that they need the smaller clubs to develop young talent or provide domestic competition. Trying to kill them off is an act of pure folly.



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Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Sat 24 Apr 10:37

Might be an idea if the 40 "lowest ranked" clubs in Scotland get together to form their own "Scottish Super League"?

DunfyDave

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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sat 24 Apr 11:53

With a pyramid I'm in 🙌
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Sat 24 Apr 12:13

Everyone plays each other once - 39 game season.

Sounds mad but I am sure that`s what they did/were doing in Argentina. Mind you it would seem that was largely to stave off the chance of River Plate ever getting relegated again - despite the previous system being rigged to do just that, they managed to slip through the net.

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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 26 May 09:01

Hell mend them.

https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/12316995/european-super-league-uefa-begins-disciplinary-proceedings-against-barcelona-real-madrid-and-juventus

UEFA should throw the book at these clubs, but will probably bottle it.



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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 26 May 12:20

Meanwhile the other clubs seem to have deployed `some big boys done it and ran away` line.

We all hate poverty, war, and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares.
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 Re: New European Super League
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 26 May 13:00

Who are eufa trying to kid given the champions league is essentially the same

They’re being just as selfish as any of the clubs
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