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 Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: Connor560  
Date:   Tue 25 May 18:49

Kilmarnock release a few players but have offered a contract to Lafferty, Pinnock, Millen, Kiltie and a few younger players.

Aaron Tshibola has been released, would have him here.

C'mon Ye Pars!

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 Re: Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: Connor560  
Date:   Tue 25 May 18:52

Directors also confirm playing budget won't be cut.

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 Re: Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Tue 25 May 19:13

Not suprised by no reduction in playing budget. In my opinion it is unfair to other clubs to give a relegated club 3 times what even the top team gets for winning championship!! Killie will get £1.13m for finishing bottom and £500,000 for parachute payment!!! 2nd in Championship gets £475k. So for getting relegated they get rewarded by being able to have significantly higher budgets. Due to a parachute payment that is equal top championship teams total prize money and double lower championship teams prize monies.
The games just screwed up and scottish football wonders why we have had a lot of administration cases.
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 Re: Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 25 May 19:19

Administration cases have been down to imprudent financial management.

St.Johnstone have just proved that you can live within your means and be successful.

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 Re: Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Tue 25 May 19:37

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veteraneastender, Tue 25 May 19:19

Administration cases have been down to imprudent financial management.

St.Johnstone have just proved that you can live within your means and be successful.


St Johnstone have I agree fantastic season for them. However to award an under performing team half a million pound in essentially "free money" is unfair. Killie are no bigger than we are but will be able to have a bigger squad than we can afford due to this payment. Which puts pressure on teams going for promotion and spending to try and get the bigger prize money.

Pars crowd average 2019/20 was 4,152 killie 5,856 with the old firm as we know can increase average figures a fair bit.
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 Re: Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 25 May 19:50

Quote:

Polt, Tue 25 May 19:13

Not suprised by no reduction in playing budget. In my opinion it is unfair to other clubs to give a relegated club 3 times what even the top team gets for winning championship!! Killie will get £1.13m for finishing bottom and £500,000 for parachute payment!!! 2nd in Championship gets £475k. So for getting relegated they get rewarded by being able to have significantly higher budgets. Due to a parachute payment that is equal top championship teams total prize money and double lower championship teams prize monies.
The games just screwed up and scottish football wonders why we have had a lot of administration cases.


This was my point too on the thread about who we would want to win the play off. Killie's budget is bigger than Dundee's and huge compared to ours.
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 Re: Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 25 May 20:55

"However to award an under performing team half a million pound in essentially "free money" is unfair."

Presumably DAFC benefited from similar unjust rewards when under performing 2006-07 ?

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 Re: Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: fcda  
Date:   Tue 25 May 20:58

It depends whether the payment is used to cover the season just past or the season to come.

Outgoings in the top league will have been higher so you could argue the higher amount has some justification.

Is it not also paid in installments throughout the same season? If so, some or all of it might already be accounted for.
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 Re: Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 25 May 21:02

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veteraneastender, Tue 25 May 20:55

"However to award an under performing team half a million pound in essentially "free money" is unfair."

Presumably DAFC benefited from similar unjust rewards when under performing 2006-07 ?


VEE this is a genuine question - do you actually like The Pars? I reckon you'd back anyone else than us!

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 25 May 23:22

"VEE this is a genuine question - do you actually like The Pars? I reckon you`d back anyone else than us!"

After 60 years a regular follower I`ve never backed any other team.

Point is, you can`t have it both ways - if it`s unfair at the end of season 2020/21 the same principle would apply to 2006/07.

You appear to suggest, it`s only unfair if/when the Pars don`t benefit ?



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 Re: Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 25 May 23:39

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veteraneastender, Tue 25 May 23:22

"VEE this is a genuine question - do you actually like The Pars? I reckon you`d back anyone else than us!"

After 60 years a regular follower I`ve never backed any other team.

Point is, you can`t have it both ways - if it`s unfair at the end of season 2020/21 the same principle would apply to 2006/07.

You appear to suggest, it`s only unfair if/when the Pars don`t benefit ?



The guy was just making a point that Killie or any team that finishes 2nd bottom is rewarded for that failure than the amount the 2nd place team is awarded. Why you feel the need to drag us into it 14 years later is utterly baffling!

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 26 May 08:38

"The guy was just making a point that Killie or any team that finishes 2nd bottom is rewarded for that failure than the amount the 2nd place team is awarded. Why you feel the need to drag us into it 14 years later is utterly baffling!"

The principle hasn`t changed over that timespan - all clubs relegated from the SPL have had a nice little earner on the way down, us included.

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 Re: Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: Socks  
Date:   Wed 26 May 09:04

The priciple may not have changed but the implementation has, advantaging clubs relegated now compared to 2007 or 2012. Previously, the payment was for a single season which was quite reasonable since the relegated team is likely to have expenses (players already contracted at high wages) that cannot be stopped immediately upon relegation.

It`s now for two seasons following relegation and the bit that`s particularly wrong is that the club relegated in 11th gets a bigger payment in these two seasons than the club finishing bottom. It effectively gives prize money in future seasons based on what happened this season. I think the amounts of money have also increased though I`m not 100% sure on that and can`t remember the figures.

It was part of the agreement that saw the play-off introduced - the appeal to the clubs lower down was the extra chance of promotion, while for the top division clubs it meant a better chance of getting back up quickly if they did go down.

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 Re: Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 26 May 09:29

Quote:

veteraneastender, Wed 26 May 08:38

"The guy was just making a point that Killie or any team that finishes 2nd bottom is rewarded for that failure than the amount the 2nd place team is awarded. Why you feel the need to drag us into it 14 years later is utterly baffling!"

The principle hasn`t changed over that timespan - all clubs relegated from the SPL have had a nice little earner on the way down, us included.


It's not a "nice little earner". What a silly thing to say. The wages any Killie players still under contract for this season coming will soon hoover it up, with little or no TV revenue incoming and poor crowds (if at all) in the Championship, Killie will struggle financially.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 26 May 09:41

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da_no_1, Wed 26 May 09:29

Quote:

veteraneastender, Wed 26 May 08:38

"The guy was just making a point that Killie or any team that finishes 2nd bottom is rewarded for that failure than the amount the 2nd place team is awarded. Why you feel the need to drag us into it 14 years later is utterly baffling!"

The principle hasn`t changed over that timespan - all clubs relegated from the SPL have had a nice little earner on the way down, us included.


It's not a "nice little earner". What a silly thing to say. The wages any Killie players still under contract for this season coming will soon hoover it up, with little or no TV revenue incoming and poor crowds (if at all) in the Championship, Killie will struggle financially.


Not just that, finishing second in the Championship will bring in far less than finishing second bottom in the Premiership. Probably fewer strips being bought and those lower crowds also mean less pies sold (pies are important in Killie).

I suspect Killie will struggle next year. I just hope we can take advantage of it!
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 Re: Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 26 May 09:43

In the Scottish Championship everyone starts off equal but some are more equal than others.

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 Re: Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Wed 26 May 09:50

We must have used all of our parachute payment by December, that's when we started to go. belly up.

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 Re: Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Wed 26 May 09:57

Quote:

Socks, Wed 26 May 09:04

The priciple may not have changed but the implementation has, advantaging clubs relegated now compared to 2007 or 2012. Previously, the payment was for a single season which was quite reasonable since the relegated team is likely to have expenses (players already contracted at high wages) that cannot be stopped immediately upon relegation.

It`s now for two seasons following relegation and the bit that`s particularly wrong is that the club relegated in 11th gets a bigger payment in these two seasons than the club finishing bottom. It effectively gives prize money in future seasons based on what happened this season. I think the amounts of money have also increased though I`m not 100% sure on that and can`t remember the figures.

It was part of the agreement that saw the play-off introduced - the appeal to the clubs lower down was the extra chance of promotion, while for the top division clubs it meant a better chance of getting back up quickly if they did go down.


I'm sure it was originally £250,000 for single season (which we would have recieved). Increased to £500,000 and second year subsidiary all done to try to entice clubs to vote for 10 club SPL. In the end we ended up with the play off scenario.

So it's easy to see why the scottish championship playoffs are biased towards the team finishing 11th. Instead of 11th v 4th and 2nd vs 3rd then final.
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 Re: Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 26 May 09:57

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da_no_1, Wed 26 May 09:29

Quote:

veteraneastender, Wed 26 May 08:38

"The guy was just making a point that Killie or any team that finishes 2nd bottom is rewarded for that failure than the amount the 2nd place team is awarded. Why you feel the need to drag us into it 14 years later is utterly baffling!"

The principle hasn`t changed over that timespan - all clubs relegated from the SPL have had a nice little earner on the way down, us included.


It's not a "nice little earner". What a silly thing to say. The wages any Killie players still under contract for this season coming will soon hoover it up, with little or no TV revenue incoming and poor crowds (if at all) in the Championship, Killie will struggle financially.


To be fair it is additional income that is nice. I think the payments are £500k minimum which is not far shy of 30% of our annual revenue. It's a big part of the reason Kilmarnock have been able to state they will retain a top flight playing budget in the second tier.

Even if they need a complete rebuild, it's a big advantage if they spend it well which is obviously the crucial part.

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 Re: Kilmarnock contracts
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 26 May 10:47


"It`s not a "nice little earner". What a silly thing to say. The wages any Killie players still under contract for this season coming will soon hoover it up, with little or no TV revenue incoming and poor crowds (if at all) in the Championship, Killie will struggle financially."

In that case, not very prudent of Kilmarnock to have such rigidly fixed contracts that omit a clause to reduce a player`s wages on relegation, with all that that entails financially for the club.

Or is that a silly notion as well ?

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