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 England v Germany
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 08:01

I thought I`d get in early with a thread about this game (although not as early as the English media who have been getting excited since the pairing became official last week.)

It`s a game which will generate a lot of interest north of the border too, with many becoming Germany fans for the day, but there will also be those hoping for an England victory. I don`t mind the England team but the pundits and commentators can be quite irritating.

With France, Netherlands and Portugal out, England and Germany, along with Belgium and Italy, must fancy their chances of lifting the trophy - any other winner would be a real shock. This afternoon`s game is probably too tight to call. If it was being played at a neutral venue my money would be on the Germans, but playing at Wembley in front of 40,000 fans will surely advantage England. The first goal will be crucial but don`t ask me who`ll score it.

It it goes to penalties, there`s only one winner...



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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: yorkiepar  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 08:29

Fans or no fans, GG, England haven’t impressed me this tournament. My gut feeling is a Germany victory in normal time.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 08:39

Your never going to change the English media GG, I've learned over the years just to shrug it off. They are doing what fans expect of them. I hope England lift the trophy, I've never been part of ABE club, Also if they win the rest of their matches, there will be only 1 side they couldn't beat😉

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 08:40

Quote:

yorkiepar, Tue 29 Jun 08:29

Fans or no fans, GG, England haven’t impressed me this tournament. My gut feeling is a Germany victory in normal time.


I wouldn't underestimate home advantage, Yorkie.



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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 08:45

Havertz and Gnabry are far better than anything England have in the attacking areas so for that reason I fancy Germany to win 3-1.
England have looked fairly laboured so far but will.imagine they will be up for this tonight.

Awight Pat!
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 08:51

Routine win for England I fear.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 08:52

Never been ABE either, but equally never felt or understood the need to support them either

They, along with Wales, NI, France, etc are just another foreign National team I don’t support

I’m hoping for a good close exciting end to end game with lots of goals and whoever plays the best on the night to go through

What I normally do is pick a team I like the look off at the start and lend them my support for the duration… this year it’s Sweden, so whoever wins tonight will hopefully play Sweden next …when I will be supporting Sweden 🇸🇪

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 09:05

If England get by the Germans then they will reach the final and that German defence looks incredibly dodgy.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Parsweep  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 09:08

Hope Eng-er-lund lose by a cricket score and maybe it'll shut their smug faces up .
At least we'd be spared "it's coming home" till next year and the Qatar world Cup !

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 09:23

Quote:

Frank Butchers LoveHandles, Tue 29 Jun 08:45

Havertz and Gnabry are far better than anything England have in the attacking areas so for that reason I fancy Germany to win 3-1.
England have looked fairly laboured so far but will.imagine they will be up for this tonight.


I wouldn't say Gnabry and Havertz are miles better than any of Kane, Mount, Sterling, Foden, Rashford,Grealish, Sako or Sancho although England haven't hit top gear so hopefully that continues.
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 09:42

I`ve never understood this notion of `supporting` England in an international tournament. Ignoring the politics, the fact that we`re both part of the UK is meaningless in a football context. I have close family in England but I don`t feel any emotional attachment to their football team.

As I`ve got older I`ve found it`s better to remain as neutral as possible when they are involved. You can easily avoid a lot of the media hype if it bothers you but that would be extremely difficult if they actually won something so, if it came to the crunch, I`d prefer if they didn`t.

I said before that these tournaments are very unpredictable when they reach the knockout stages and tonight`s match is no different.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 09:52

Hope England get absolutely rattled by the Germans, purely just to enjoy the post match punditry from Linekar, Wright, Cole etc. Souness has been top class for me this year surprisingly. The man has been winding everyone up 😂
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 10:30

I think this will be a fast-paced high octane game with both teams going for it.

I think England might win this without the aid of penalties or extra time 3-1

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 10:34

I`ve listened to Talksport all tournament - this morning being no exception. Now I get that England have a good squad with exciting players but it`s like last night never happened. They can see nothing other than a win tonight even though France were deservedly beaten by the Swiss & Spain were pushed all the way by Croatia.

England most definitely "expects" now - nothing less than the trophy will do for them.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 10:55

3 lines on my shirt, its coming home, Fußball`s coming home!

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 11:22

Another one here that would be happy to see England gubbed.




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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 11:31

I want them to go through. I’ve got a bet on Italy to win it and I’d rather they faced England in the Final than Germany.
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 11:38

If Italy play Germany in a final, it`s pretty much done.

The German record against Italy in major tournaments is terrible. I think they`ve beaten them once (on penalties) in their entire history.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 11:39

Neither team will beat Denmark but i think England will win here
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 12:13

I will be supporting Germany as usual but this one is tough to call. Both teams are capable of being pretty good and also pretty average. Hopefully germany turn up and make the English cry.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: vasco  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 12:27

I always support England`s opponents and have done since 1966. The perverted bit of me, however, likes Englerland to progress quite far in tournaments so the media frenzy gets maximised and then they have an even greater disappointment when they get humped. I think schadenfreude may partly come into it.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 12:36

I think England have a good chance and also a good chance for the tournament. Few big teams out already
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: dave67  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 14:01

I can see this game going to extra time and Germany win on penalties

If only Heineken did football😃

Let`s try making it till Christmas
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 16:17

Imagine how unbearable the English will be when the day finally comes they beat Germany on penalties. I also find it amusing how the English patronise the Scots saying things like us playing them in our cup final and they’re not really bothered about us when the exact same thing can be said about them and Germany. It’s the big one for England whereas Germany don’t see England as big rivals. In fact, I’m pretty sure they find the whole thing quite bemusing.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 16:28

I watch England in competitions with the same mindset as vasco.

Under Southgate England have developed a cautious, possession based game just as it seems to be going out of fashion. It did few favours for Portugal or France whereas Germany came alive playing a more direct style. Even Spain amazed me against Croatia playing what for them was blood and thunder football. Switzerland too rediscovered the ancient art of crossing on the run to a centre forward prepared to attack the ball. These used to be England virtues in the days of Hurst, Mariner and Shearer. Harry Kane now lies deep whilst Sterling and Rashford, pacey though they are, look like they header the ball with their eyes closed.

So maybe big Al`s post match comments will be along the lines of `the German lad wanted it more.`

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 16:48

Seems Shearer and co think its a mattervof turning up ,showing no respect to Germany .This is why I would like the smile wiped of the mush .
Why are they allowed 40,000 fans this round ,not inly footie but the tennis there is not many empty seats
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 16:55

I can't believe Southgate has dropped Mings for bombscare Maguire.

Rigger there's meant to be 60,000 in Wembley for semis and final......altho that might change on whose taking part😉

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 17:00

Quote:

MDCCCLXXXV, Tue 29 Jun 16:55

I can't believe Southgate has dropped Mings for bombscare Maguire.

Rigger there's meant to be 60,000 in Wembley for semis and final......altho that might change on whose taking part😉


Not impressed with England's starting XI at all. The most skilful players are on the bench. Maybe they'll be asked to save the game at 0-2.



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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 17:00

The British national anthem is honestly the worst anthem in the world. Horrible, truly horrible. That Pickford has some pus on him, eh? A right fud looking boy.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 17:16

Throw ins are getting ridiculous. How far from the point where the ball goes out is a player allowed to take the throw in? 10, 15, 20 yards? The ball went out at the corner flag and the throw was taken by Tripper level with the edge of the penalty box.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 17:33

That chance sums up Werner. A top class finisher dinks that




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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 17:39

Quote:

Raymie the Legend, Tue 29 Jun 17:33

That chance sums up Werner. A top class finisher dinks that


Fast and brainless. How much did Chelsea shell out for him?

Pretty sterile so far, compared to last night's games.



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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 17:52

England`s "world class striker" looked like a bit of a carthorse there.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Parsweep  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 17:59

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Paralex, Tue 29 Jun 17:52

England`s "world class striker" looked like a bit of a carthorse there.


Hence the expression "why the long face Harry "

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:04

Werner and Kane have that Mbappe touch at the moment. A game short on imagination that needs a goal to spark it into life. When McGuire is your most dangerous attacking player it`s a sign something is amiss. A week ago Hummels was being slated after Germany lost to France but he looks a very composed player so far. Germany pass the ball better so they look the more likely.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: yorkiepar  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:20

Is it just me that thinks that if Southgate was wearing a black snood he’d bear a striking resemblance - in body language as much as anything else - to somebody we were more familiar with?

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:22

If Foden, Mount and Grealish come on, England can win this.
Right now, Germany are bossing it




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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:24

Grealish coming on to win England a few more free kicks. Like how they tried to win against the mighty Scotland. Germany need to get their finger out here.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:27

Sterling must be the most over rated player in the world. Decision making / finishing etc at the business end is honking.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:29

Quote:

General Zod, Tue 29 Jun 17:00

The British national anthem is honestly the worst anthem in the world. Horrible, truly horrible. That Pickford has some pus on him, eh? A right fud looking boy.


National anthem my erse - it’s a Royal anthem.

Is there any other in the world that prioritises the Head of State over their nation ?
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:32

Ha !

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: yorkiepar  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:34

Brilliant, TAFKA!

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:34

Unbelievable and undeserved




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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:35

I thought Sterling was having a decent enough game before the goal tbh.
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:35

They have been the better team it has been coming
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:36

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TAFKA_Super_Petrie, Tue 29 Jun 18:32

Ha !


I was just about to post agreeing with your opinion!
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:37

It's game over Germany are useless
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:37

Can’t see Germany coming back. They’ve been the worse team really. Looks like England have won the tournament



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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:38

Muller is ****
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:39

I did something similar on here regarding Edin Dzeko many moons ago about how he was a glorified Kris Boyd and did hee haw in general play.

Scored 4 goals that same day at Tottenham. Never learn eh :-p

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:40

Was that Jermaine Jenas giving Pickford credit for Muller`s miss?

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:41

Sterling showboating and nearly cost his team.
I’d have fancied Muller there.
Two glorious chances passed up by Germany now




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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:44

They think it's all over.....



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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:45

It is over Germany won't score twice
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:46

Well the great fear that eventually England would get themselves together tactically has now been realised. Can`t see them not making the final now.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:48

Still not conceded a goal

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:48

Germany have been garbage. Imagine getting beat from a team that barely scraped a draw with Scotland.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:51

Two anti football teams. So so boring to watch
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: SeasonedPar  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 18:58

Quote:

GG Riva, Tue 29 Jun 18:44

They think it's all over.....


You’ve waited years to say that GG!!
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 19:01

Quote:

MDCCCLXXXV, Tue 29 Jun 18:48

Still not conceded a goal


Thanks mostly to Pickford, and some poor finishing.

He can kick that ball a helluva distance from hand, dead ball or clearances.
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 19:01

Top story on C4 News for goodness sake!

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: king lad  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 19:02

The next few days are going to be insufferable...
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 19:03

Well played England 👍

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 19:03

It was low on entertainment for sure. Pickford`s save from the volley and making the goal seem small for Mueller played a bi part in the result; I`ve seen Mueller scuff these shots home routinely in the past. Grealish does make a difference in that he sees the pass early and to be fair both England goals were well constructed.
I`ll still take Italy or Spain to beat this England team.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 19:10

"They do think it`s all over". Rio Ferdinand`s got them lifting the cup already.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 19:12

Some good players out there, but a poor game. Rio & Co. have England in the final already, expecting the likes of Sweden and Denmark to simply roll over. They might be in for a rude awakening. France thought they just had to turn up last night.



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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: yorkiepar  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 19:16

Well done, GG. You called it!

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 19:17

Quote:

Paralex, Tue 29 Jun 19:10

"They do think it`s all over". Rio Ferdinand`s got them lifting the cup already.


Would never tire of smacking his coupon...
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 19:44

The thought of them getting to the final is a terrifying prospect but it certainly looks doable. I take some comfort remembering Iceland though so hopefully they'll England it again.
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 20:11

Quote:

JTH123, Tue 29 Jun 19:17

Quote:

Paralex, Tue 29 Jun 19:10

"They do think it`s all over". Rio Ferdinand`s got them lifting the cup already.


Would never tire of smacking his coupon...


Him and Pickford. Pr1ck

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: TigerPar  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 20:22

Quote:

kozmasrightfoot, Tue 29 Jun 19:44

The thought of them getting to the final is a terrifying prospect but it certainly looks doable. I take some comfort remembering Iceland though so hopefully they'll England it again.


Brilliant, made me proper lol. I hope they do “England it again” 🤞🏻
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 20:25

It’s not as if the English are going overboard again ?
In true Kevin Keegan style, I’d love it if Sweden or Ukraine beat them




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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 20:35

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: SammyT73  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 20:44

England have to be the dullest most unentertaining team in the tournament, watching paint dry is a more attractive proposition than watching them. Next few days will be torture on every channel, so hope for a quarter final defeat to wipe that smug look of Shearer and Co's puss's

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 21:14

Who are England next to play
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 21:18

Winner of game on now (Sweden or Ukraine)
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 21:56

I thought England played well, I was surprised with the starting line up but Southgate nailed it.

Didn’t start brightly but the way he set his team up was smart, primary objective was making them hard to beat, trusting that the talent up top when the chances came and he used Shaw in particular very well.

Pickford looks a different player in an England shirt than an Everton one.

Kane was poor and uneventful, he needs to move more and be more productive.

For the first time England vs Germany I thought England were favourites and would win comfortably, the Germany team are not what they were, they don’t have that squad depth and can’t really point out a star player in their team now other than Havertz.

I actually think their biggest challenge will be the next fixture, the first time they play away from home and in Rome.

They can’t ask for much of a better chance than this to win the tournament, Belgium v England final.
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 22:00

Watching Sweden. Ukraine more references to Rngland than the teams actually playing

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 22:00

My money is still safe, my winnings will buy a few Donner kebabs.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 22:05

It's the first time England have beaten Germany in over half a century. I reckon they've good reason to harp on about it!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 22:08

Sweden and Ukraine dropping like flies.
Can see England having lots of possession and trying to break down either team




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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 22:30

Sweden game like an episode of casualty

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 22:48

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jake89, Tue 29 Jun 22:05

It's the first time England have beaten Germany in over half a century. I reckon they've good reason to harp on about it!


First time since 66 England have won in a knockout stage of a tournament, England beat Germany 2-3 around 4 or 5 years ago, they also beat them 1-5 in 2002 WC qualifiers (South Korea/Japan)

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Bedworth par  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 22:51

There`s all this fuss about concussion yet football still doesn`t do head injury assessments. Independent medics and substitute player allowed. Same for a player who has to leave the field bleeding. Couple of instances when players should have been checked tonight.

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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 22:56

England also beat Germany in Euro 2000.

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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Tue 29 Jun 23:11

100% agree Bedworth, It doesn't help that players are feigning injuries. I have noticed during TV games in the last 6 months or so that head Knocks are a lot more common.
Before covid players would lie on the ground after losing a tackle, hoping one of the opponents would kick the ball out and stop the attack. Call me a cynic but players know if they hold their face or head the ref HAS TO stop the game.
It works a lot better in Rugby because players don't want to show they are hurt

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Topic Originator: Bedworth par  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 02:16

Rather than player having to leave the field after treatment just let the physio come on to treat them? If it`s serious stop the game otherwise play on, player being treated doesn`t count for offside.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 08:18

Need to stop the tournament and give them the trophy, its won already according to the pundits.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 09:56

"It`s the first time England have beaten Germany in over half a century. I reckon they`ve good reason to harp on about it!"

News travel slow in your neck of the woods ?

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 10:06

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DA-go Par Adonis, Tue 29 Jun 22:56

England also beat Germany in Euro 2000.


Yeah but they both failed to qualify from the group with Portugal and Romania going through. 🤣🤣🤣
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 10:07

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veteraneastender, Wed 30 Jun 09:56

"It`s the first time England have beaten Germany in over half a century. I reckon they`ve good reason to harp on about it!"

News travel slow in your neck of the woods ?


Been corrected that it relates to stage of the competition. Still, if Scotland had beaten England you would never have heard the end of it in the Scottish media.
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 10:27

The game was fairly even last night, with perhaps the Germans slightly shading possession?
Two glorious chances missed by Werner and Muller, were effectively, the turning points
I fully expect England to take care of a weary and fairly average, Ukraine side




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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 10:34

When we played England at Wembley the players seemed to use up so much emotional and physical energy in that match that there was a reaction in the crunch game against Croatia. I wonder if the same thing could happen to England? It was almost like the game against Germany was the Final for them.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 10:39

Except England are now playing far inferior opposition and the Ukraine may already be a spent force after their extra time victory over Sweden. It`s not impossible for the Ukraine to pull something off but the gulf in class between the two sides is staggering.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 10:53

There was a `gulf in class` between England and Scotland before we played them. I`m not sure if it was `staggering` though. Are you on the same pills as Rio Ferdinand & Co, TOWK?

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 11:09

I think England are almost certainties to reach the final. Can`t think of a single Ukrainian player who would even make the England squad. The English national team is now reaping the benefits of the huge sums of money that EPL clubs pump into their academies.
My only hope is that maybe playing away from Wembley on Saturday might disrupt the English but if they turn up with anything like the proper attitude they have too much talent for the Ukrainians to deal with.

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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 12:28

Oh but the press and media meltdown will be legendary if they were beaten against these Ukrainian also rans.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 12:35

It would be tremendous. If they don`t make the final it will now be a massive failure.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 13:07

If I had tuned in after the Serbia game and Souness, Strachan and McFadden were in the studio say things like "we've qualified but we will do well to win a game " or "of course we can't win the trophy". I would be raging
The guys are put in front of the cameras to pump their Nation up.
Do I enjoy watching it? no

Do I Hate it enough to hope they don't go all the way? No

As many have stated "its not England I dislike, its the pundits"

As A pars fan I still harp back to our 2 scottish cup wins around the same time, not to mention our cup winners cup semi against Bratislava.

Let them enjoy it, I know we would if we were in their shoes

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Brucey Bonus  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 13:10

Can someone put up a link to a clip or an article where a pundit says England will win it please?

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 13:25

Rio Ferdinand was saying England had it won right after the match. Don`t know if anyone has a recording of it. Gary Lineker was trying to cool him down a bit. Shearer was beaming from ear to ear and poor Jurgen Klinsmann was sitting between them trying not to cry.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 13:53

Jamie Carragher on SSN today thinks they have won it as well.

Awight Pat!

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 14:23

It's getting silly now. I do think they're a decent side and I do think they'll make the final but they seem to forget that even the last time they played Denmark in the Nations League they were turned over at Wembley.

Italy, Spain and a fully fit Belgium are all better sides than Germany. Its one thing to be optimistic it's another to turn into the slavering idiots that seem to be cropping up all over the place.
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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 14:46

I don't remember dot net going mad when Wales got to semis 5years ago

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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 14:48

To be fair I don't remember the Welsh saying they were going to win it off the back of beating the 1st decent side they played.
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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 14:50

I`ve seen nothing so far to suggest England are a class above Ukraine, in fact Ukraine have looked the more creative team if anything. Yarmalenko would walk into any Euro squad. At a first glance he seems no more than a tricky wide attacker but his footwork and distribution are so good he is a threat every time he is in possession. His commitment last night was impressive and taking Eck`s point, the game in Rome probably means more psychologically to Ukraine than it does to England. If Switzerland can beat France then Ukraine are well capable of beating England.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 14:54

"As many have stated "its not England I dislike, its the pundits"

Not any more - I can`t stand Pickford.

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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 15:00

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sammer, Wed 30 Jun 14:50

I`ve seen nothing so far to suggest England are a class above Ukraine, in fact Ukraine have looked the more creative team if anything. Yarmalenko would walk into any Euro squad. At a first glance he seems no more than a tricky wide attacker but his footwork and distribution are so good he is a threat every time he is in possession. His commitment last night was impressive and taking Eck`s point, the game in Rome probably means more psychologically to Ukraine than it does to England. If Switzerland can beat France then Ukraine are well capable of beating England.


Really? England haven't conceded a goal yet and Ukraine have been turned over twice by Netherlands and Austria both of whom themselves are out. They've only beaten North Macedonia in 90 mins at the tournament.
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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 15:25

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londonparsfan, Wed 30 Jun 14:48

To be fair I don't remember the Welsh saying they were going to win it off the back of beating the 1st decent side they played.


No but bbc and itv pundits both said they could after knocking Belgium out.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 16:35

Cards on the table. I hate the England football team. Don`t want to see any of them injured or anything like that but I`d never ever want them to win. Aye the pundits are part of it but to be honest it wouldn`t matter if they were humble in victory and magnanimous in defeat, I`d still want them to lose and would take great pleasure in it. Its undoubtedly a form of predujice but it`s strictly confined to a footballing setting.

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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 16:37

LPF,

Not conceding a goal is certainly impressive. Pickford is in good form and McGuire and Stones are probably England`s best partnership in central defence so the defence is solid enough. Then again no team yet has had the desire of maybe the ability to attack England so we don`t know how they`ll respond to that or being a goal behind. Walker usually has at least one big mistake in him and since Shaw must be at least a stone overweight he won`t fancy quick football putting him on the back foot.

The more obvious problem lies in England`s lack of creativity which every team, including Scotland, has exposed. Their policy of `nicking` games has worked so far and might prove successful: it did so for Greece when they won the Euros. However I still think teams with a better balance are more likely to come out on top over the course of a tournament.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 16:47

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sammer, Wed 30 Jun 14:50

I`ve seen nothing so far to suggest England are a class above Ukraine, in fact Ukraine have looked the more creative team if anything. Yarmalenko would walk into any Euro squad. At a first glance he seems no more than a tricky wide attacker but his footwork and distribution are so good he is a threat every time he is in possession. His commitment last night was impressive and taking Eck`s point, the game in Rome probably means more psychologically to Ukraine than it does to England. If Switzerland can beat France then Ukraine are well capable of beating England.


Ukraine will be looking for revenge for their elimination by England in the 2012 Euros. You may remember they were denied a perfectly good goal when John Terry hooked the ball out from more than a foot over the line. The goal line linesman ( the ref had 4 for a while, remember?) said he couldn't see it because the near post obscured his vision! Did it not occur to him to move his head? Had it stood Ukraine would have gone through instead of England.

England should win, but I wouldn't put any money on it. A number of unfancied sides have already shown what a bit of determination and self belief can achieve.



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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 17:02

Sorry Sammer mate I can't agree with much of that again. I don't see Ukraine being more of an attacking threat than Croatia, Germany and possibly even the Czechs. They were looking pretty laboured against Sweden for large parts of the game and I can't help but feel the sending off tipped it in their favour.

England have won three out of their four games against better calibre opposition than the Ukraine even if they haven't been creating bucket loads of chances.
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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 17:02

Sammer, I think Harry Maguire is the weak link. IMHO I believe Tyrone Mings is a far superior footballer

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 17:33

My guess is that the thread originator is desperately trying to conceal his strong sympathies for the Azurie. Family connections are difficult to dismiss. Maybe he thinks the less he speaks up their chances, the more chance they have of sneaking in under the radar and they do have the habit of upsetting the odds.

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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 17:43

Ach all this hatred for England I don’t really understand to be honest.

Think us Scots hate the English much more than they bother about us Scots.

England have an excellent chance of progressing all the way in this tournament now, that’s not being disrespectful, it’s just a fact, whilst it’ll still be difficult they couldn’t have plotted a much easier run in if they had the chance to choose themselves.

On this basis think they’re entitled to be excited, reference to 1966 is because that’s simply the last time they won something so only natural this would come up. I don’t mind the media hype, it’s because the countries hyped.

Also don’t get the hatred of the players, you only see them on the pitch and read about them in the papers, don’t know their full personal life to form any real basis on any dislike.

I actually want England to go and win it, my fathers English firstly but secondly I think Southgate has been fantastic and deserves it, he’s given players opportunities and played them on merit and it’s paying off.

I would never have thought Kalvin Phillips will have played every game to date and Saka as prominent as he has been for example. He knows how to get the best out of Sterling clearly as well.

If they win it fair play to them, certainly not going to be petty enough to wish they fail just because of the media and country are getting a bit excited, Scotland would be in the same boat if we ever had a team capable of progressing in the latter stages of a tournament alas we should just be happy if we can start qualifying for these tournies more regularly.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 18:07

Mings is certainly more athletic but McGuire is solid, if a bit on the slow side, and also experienced so I can see why Southgate has picked him.

LPF, I don`t disagree that England have performed more solidly than Ukraine but England haven`t been tested yet, and in tournament football there is usually a bad decision, an injury or some banana skin moment that throws planning out of the window. Spain dealt with theirs very well against the Croats twice so we will how England react when their moment comes. If Yarmolenko gets a few chances to run at Shaw that banana skin moment might not be long in coming.

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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 18:51

Hatred is a strong word, I don’t really care about England but most people I know who want them to get beat do it from a rivalry aspect and it’s nothing like hatred.

This is not unusual in football… I’m sure not many hearts fans were actively supporting or even being ambivalent when hibs lifted the cup -but they’d still speak to hibs supporting work colleagues the next day.

Don’t see why folk should support them either just because they’re from the same land mass.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 19:09

How are we supposed to show this `support` for England? Are we expected to sit in front of the telly willing them to victory? I only feel that way about two football teams - Scotland and the Pars.

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Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 19:30

Nobody hates England or the English. I’ve never met anyone in my life that feels hatred towards them. It’s a footballing rivalry only and anyone who tries to suggest otherwise perhaps has some weird political agenda or something? Why should we be expected to cheer them on when it’s perfectly acceptable to not want your domestic rivals to have success? The England manager is a nice fellow and I’m sure the players are decent enough lads but the media circus that follows them are a bunch of patronising smarmy git-faced erseholes and the sooner someone gets them to shut their pusses the better. We can all enjoy the tournament in peace.

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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 19:30

As my English friend used to say. “We are like Israel. Surrounded by hatred” 😳
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 19:34

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Paralex, Wed 30 Jun 17:33

My guess is that the thread originator is desperately trying to conceal his strong sympathies for the Azurie. Family connections are difficult to dismiss. Maybe he thinks the less he speaks up their chances, the more chance they have of sneaking in under the radar and they do have the habit of upsetting the odds.


I'm not trying to conceal anything, Paralex. I'm proud of my Italian origins but regard myself as an honorary Scot, having lived here for 62 years - longer than most dotnetters, I'll bet. I regard myself as quite lucky that I had two teams to support and now that Scotland are out, I'm firmly behind the Azzurri who are playing the best brand of football since Italia 90, when they were bundled out of the WC semis on penalties by Argentina, conceding just one goal in the whole tournament.

Italy have a chance now that the former favourites, France, are out, but to win it they'll have to beat Belgium and probably Spain and England. That's a very hard ask but they'll certainly deserve it if they do. If Kevin de Bruyne and Eden Hazard miss out on Friday and Locatelli is back, they have a decent chance of progressing.



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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 20:31

Most of us Scots are from immigrant families. Therefore many of us have 2 teams that we favour in this competition. Both of mine are now out, Scotland and France, personally I do not hate the English players, however I have a total dislike of the English commentators, pundits and news presenters. This morning I tuned into radio Scotland to get away from them. Indeed when I watched the game I had the volume switched off. I will probably do the same for the game against Ukraine, that is if there is nothing else on the TV. However a tip for all England haters is to put a bet on England to win the competition, that way if they do win you will get money.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 20:38

During the Sweden-Ukraine match last night the commentator, Jonathan Pearce, made a comment about the 1966 WC Final. His co-commentator, Martin Keown, said he couldn`t remember anything about it as he was only one-week old at the time! Says it all really.



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Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 20:51

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MDCCCLXXXV, Wed 30 Jun 17:02

Sammer, I think Harry Maguire is the weak link. IMHO I believe Tyrone Mings is a far superior footballer


Have to agree. I'm really surprised by how desperate the English were to get Macguire back. Mings strolled the early games.
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 21:18

Thought Maguire strolled the game against Germany to be fair.
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 21:30

Mings isn’t a better footballer than Maguire, IMO




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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 21:49

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Berry, Wed 30 Jun 21:18

Thought Maguire strolled the game against Germany to be fair.


I was quite impressed too Berry. Especially his Norrie'esque moments when coming out of defence with the ball and charging into midfield through gaps that opened up.
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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 22:22

McGuire was England`s best attacking threat in the first 45 minutes! He might be over priced and I don`t think he leads his defence well enough but he`s a solid international central defender, a dying breed it seems.

However we all mostly suspect that either Walker, Stones, McGuire or most probably Pickford will make a calamitous mistake somewhere ahead, and how England deal with that will decide their tournament. Trippier is also on a tight fuse and looks a fair bet for conceding a penalty. But all these require a team to actually put England under pressure.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 22:38

Tennis is coming home :)

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 22:48

Glad to hear it GG, 62 years, that`s a real Scot and also glad that eastendalloapar has a second team too. As for me I can`t trace any ancestors outside of Fife and the East of Scotland and that goes back to 1630. So sad to say with Scotland and Wales out, I`m kind of stuck with England although with the Belgian manager being an honorary Scot and Sean Maloney as his deputy, I could be prone to favour them. However, for the players and managers sake I`ll go for our British neighbours and hope that in the event of ultimate success the celebrations don`t go on for ever.

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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 23:09

Scottish from the year 1630? Is that the best you can do!

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 23:41

Little Scotlanders out in force. No-one is asking you to support England or be happy if they win. Just try not being so bloody bitter if they win anything.
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 30 Jun 23:48

I thought we were all `one nation`? Why do we even have separate football teams? Johnson seems to have abandoned that line during the Euros.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Thu 1 Jul 00:04

I'd rather they didn't win it but if they do then fair play. Alot more important things to worry about in life.

Awight Pat!
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Thu 1 Jul 01:41

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jake89, Wed 30 Jun 23:41

Little Scotlanders out in force. No-one is asking you to support England or be happy if they win. Just try not being so bloody bitter if they win anything.


F -off
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Topic Originator: parsfan  
Date:   Thu 1 Jul 09:27

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GG Riva, Wed 30 Jun 19:34

I'm not trying to conceal anything, Paralex. I'm proud of my Italian origins but regard myself as an honorary Scot, having lived here for 62 years - longer than most dotnetters, I'll bet.


Going slightly off-topic, did you get your settled status organised in time?

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Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Thu 1 Jul 10:28

Very funny parsfan. That gave me a good laugh. I certainly hope so. What would this forum be without him.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Thu 1 Jul 12:27

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Berry, Wed 30 Jun 21:18

Thought Maguire strolled the game against Germany to be fair.


IMO when England concede their first goal Maguire will be at fault

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Brucey Bonus  
Date:   Thu 1 Jul 12:33


“Rio Ferdinand was saying England had it won right after the match. Don`t know if anyone has a recording of it. Gary Lineker was trying to cool him down a bit. Shearer was beaming from ear to ear and poor Jurgen Klinsmann was sitting between them trying not to cry“

It’s still on the iplayer and he said no such thing

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 1 Jul 13:03

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Rigger Al, Thu 1 Jul 01:41

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jake89, Wed 30 Jun 23:41

Little Scotlanders out in force. No-one is asking you to support England or be happy if they win. Just try not being so bloody bitter if they win anything.


F -off


No need. Honestly, if you get that upset over another football team you really need to take a look at yourself. Pathetic.
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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 1 Jul 13:07

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parsfan, Thu 1 Jul 09:27

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GG Riva, Wed 30 Jun 19:34

I'm not trying to conceal anything, Paralex. I'm proud of my Italian origins but regard myself as an honorary Scot, having lived here for 62 years - longer than most dotnetters, I'll bet.


Going slightly off-topic, did you get your settled status organised in time?


I'm here for the long haul, mate. 🙂 Italy is the part of the world I was born in and I still have relatives there but Scotland is my home. The only thing I would swap is the climate. ☺



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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Thu 1 Jul 16:12

"It`s still on the iplayer and he said no such thing". Quote Brucey Bonus.

They must have edited it out then because not only did I witness it but others on different forums remarked on it too.

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 1 Jul 16:38

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Brucey Bonus, Thu 1 Jul 12:33

“Rio Ferdinand was saying England had it won right after the match. Don`t know if anyone has a recording of it. Gary Lineker was trying to cool him down a bit. Shearer was beaming from ear to ear and poor Jurgen Klinsmann was sitting between them trying not to cry“

It’s still on the iplayer and he said no such thing


He definitely did say something like "it's our time, it's ours, it's coming home"

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 Re: England v Germany
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 1 Jul 17:09

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da_no_1, Thu 1 Jul 16:38

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Brucey Bonus, Thu 1 Jul 12:33

“Rio Ferdinand was saying England had it won right after the match. Don`t know if anyone has a recording of it. Gary Lineker was trying to cool him down a bit. Shearer was beaming from ear to ear and poor Jurgen Klinsmann was sitting between them trying not to cry“

It’s still on the iplayer and he said no such thing


He definitely did say something like "it's our time, it's ours, it's coming home"


Rio was a decent defender but I don't much like him as a pundit. I can forgive him his babbling excitedly afterva game in which they knocked Germany out of a tournament for the first time in 56 years.

They must have a chance but I don't see them as 9/4:favs as the bookies have them.



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