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 Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 06:59

First up, at 5 pm is Spain v Switzerland. It would be asking a bit much for a goal fest for this game, considering their last 16 games produced an incredible total of 14 goals. Most folk will fancy Spain to go through as they can dominate possession with their more technical players, but the Swiss will be on a massive high after eliminating France. Prediction 2-1 Spain.

8 pm, Belgium v Italy. I hope the winner of this game will go on to win the trophy. Much will depend on whether Kevin de Bruyne is fit to play. Lukaku feeds off his service so well. If he's out, Italy may nick it. I can't separate the sides and won't be surprised if it goes to the lottery of penalties.



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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 08:51

Spain to win by over one goal and Belgium to take it after extra time. I have money on Italy to win the tournament but I think Belgium`s style of play will see them have the better chance of beating England so wouldn`t mind them getting through.

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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 09:00

Spain and Belgium to win todays games which means Switzerland and Italy will win lol

The late game is a real intriguing game, so much depends on KDB, do Belgium risk him or Eden Hazard ? Martinez got some big decisions tonight.
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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 09:38

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PARS207, Fri 2 Jul 09:00

Spain and Belgium to win todays games which means Switzerland and Italy will win lol

The late game is a real intriguing game, so much depends on KDB, do Belgium risk him or Eden Hazard ? Martinez got some big decisions tonight.


De Bruyne is key, 207 - not so much Hazard, great player but woefully inconsistent. If KDB plays, Lukaku will get chances to score.



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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 09:40

KDB is of course a supreme talent but after a poor season at Real the last two performances by Hazard have shown he is close to a return to form.

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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 09:59

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The One Who Knocks, Fri 2 Jul 09:40

KDB is of course a supreme talent but after a poor season at Real the last two performances by Hazard have shown he is close to a return to form.


Agree !! Be massive blow if they don't make it tonight or if start then pull up and need come off
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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 10:10

I will be very very surprised if KDB and Hazard make it to-night. Hazard looked to be feeling his hamstring and KDB completely turned his ankle when he was tackled from behind. Without the pair of them I see a routine victory for Italy.

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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: Angus_W  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 12:25

Forza Italia.

Skill, flair, passion & the ability to belt out the national anthem.

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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 13:00

I fancy the swiss to oust Spain and Belgium to overcome Italy thanks to a masterclass from Lukaku
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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 16:49

Michael Oliver in the middle for the first tie.



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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 16:59

3-1 Spain ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡ธ
2-1 Italy ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น

Buspasspar, I hope yer dog has ear defenders on tonight ๐Ÿ˜‰

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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 17:10

1-0 Spain, big deflection. Will be hard for the Swiss to come back from that body blow.



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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 18:25

Massive mistake from Spain but that goal has been coming
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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 18:29

Decent game

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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 18:34

A terrible decision by the referee never a Red card
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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 18:41

Michael Oliver - terrible decision? I don't belieeeeve it!
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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 18:48

Spain have been absolutely awful. No tempo and a shadow of the team from 10 or so years ago. Hopefully Switzerland do it.

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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 18:52

Like has been said just no tempo from Spain. They sometimes work the ball into good positions but when it is time to make a delivery or final pass they delay or hesitate and lose the impetus.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 18:54

Been a poor game , didnt hold my attention . Thought the red card was correct -dreadful tackle, if the Spaniard`s foot had been planted it would have caused serious injury. As FBLH says Spain are unrecognisable even from the side 4 years ago. Not fussed who wins.

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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 18:58

Spain have made England look exciting. Their first game against Sweden I think they at least passed at a fast pace without ever looking like scoring. Their last game against Croatia they used the wings and played in early crosses, showing a real sense of purpose. Today is the worst they have played: they look awful.

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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 19:11

Spain are so so slow

Swiss keeper gonna get them thru on pens again at this rate !
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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 19:21

KDB starts for Belgium tonight.

Eden Hazard hasn't made it.
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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 19:33

Spain won`t be confident taking penalties against the Swiss keeper Sommer. He`s been impressive all tournament and his handling was outstanding today. Rodriguez looked a cool polished performer for a Swiss side who dug in well after the sending off.

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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 19:45

Turns out the Swiss were even less confident on the penalties with some very weak efforts. Two of them decelerated into the ball which is usually bad news whilst another leaned back on contact. Anyhow, Spain can`t play worse than this surely and they do have the ability to beat England.

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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 19:49

sammer you can nearly and i stress nearly tell who is going to miss buy their body language, glassy eyes and demeanour ... also when placing the ball 3 times on the spot is important .... then its a miss

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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 19:57

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PARS207, Fri 2 Jul 19:21

KDB starts for Belgium tonight.

Eden Hazard hasn't made it.


Love KDB but would have been happier for Hazard to have started instead. If he's fully recovered, Italy will do extremely well to go through. We'll find out soon enough.

I hope we'll see a far better game than the one just ended.



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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 19:58

The penalties didn`t exactly go like clockwork for the Swiss.

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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 20:00

Interesting to see how Italy do against a legitimate top side. Thought 5/2 on Belgium was very generous from the bookies.

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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 20:30

This game has been brilliant with both sides looking to attack at every opportunity
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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 20:33

Easily best game of the tournament so far

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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 20:34

Excellent game. Brilliant goal. Slightly against the run of play.



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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 20:44

What a strike

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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 20:46

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MDCCCLXXXV, Fri 2 Jul 20:44

What a strike


Italy grew in confidence after that first goal and the second was coming. Pen for Belgium?



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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 20:50

Belgium goal there could be massive.

Penalty or not? yes for me
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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 20:51

Soft soft penalty, I never thought I would see an Italian side being a goal up and still attacking one of the best footballing sides in the world.

This is a special Italian team GG

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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 20:55

A cracking game. I thought Italy were good value for 2-0 but the penalty gives Belgium a way back in. Italy move the ball faster than any other team and if they don`t have a De Bruyne at least Insigne gives them options around the box. Immobile is probably crap but has that Frank McDougall ability to grab a goal so he might turn up trumps. I`ve enjoyed seeing an old fashioned centre half v centre forward joust between Chiellini and Lukaku.

This is the football most of us want to see, in the best European style: fast, physical and intelligent. This would have made a good final.

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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 20:56

Soft penalty for me but he gives the ref the opportunity to give it
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 Re: Today's Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: parsfan  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 21:00

Not quite the same as the iconic picture of Maradonna with half a dozen Belgians in front of him in '86, but seeing that first goal again, Barella has four of them surrounding him and one angle shows a fifth.

Almost Kenny Ward like.

Second goal, anyone reminded of Fraser Aird?

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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 21:53

For all their commendable attacking flair, Italy are still the best at milking free kicks and pressurising the referee.

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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: DulochConvert  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 21:53

Diving Bar Stewards! But no surprise! Hate Italian football!

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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 21:59

My bet for the tournament goes on but the gamesmanship from the Italians leaves a sour taste.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 22:00

Italy have to be the odds on favourites to win the tournament now
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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 22:01

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DulochConvert, Fri 2 Jul 21:53

Diving Bar Stewards! But no surprise! Hate Italian football!


Cheers, DC. It was a great game and I feel a bit sorry for Belgium, they came up just a little bit short. As Sammer said, it would have made a good final.

I agree that some of the antics at the end tarnished Italy's win slightly, but they played some excellent football for 80-85 mins.



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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 22:03

Good to hear the old stereotypes and xenophobia. It's been unsettlingly positive about Italia so far.

Duloch Convert - do you watch much Italian football?

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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 22:05

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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 22:09

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DA-go Par Adonis, Fri 2 Jul 22:03

Good to hear the old stereotypes and xenophobia. It's been unsettlingly positive about Italia so far.

Duloch Convert - do you watch much Italian football?


He probably thinks they still play catenaccio, DA.



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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 22:09

Doku winning the penalty at half time changed the entire game, for he realised he had the beating of the Italian right back who struggled when he was run at. Both of Belgium`s chances in the second half came when their right flank was opened up and it was a combination of determination and luck which prevented an equaliser.

The pace dropped second half but I don`t think England would be able to cope with the speed of transferring the ball that Italy showed in the first half. And even if they did, they still have to find a way past Bonucci and Chiellini.

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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 22:11

Some of the Italian antics tonight were pretty disappointing, Immobile was a disgrace at the first goal - pure cheating. That said they probably deserved it in the end.

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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 22:13

I don't think it tarnishes the result at all. Great game, great result for the Italians. Both teams done a bit of diving, Italy just done theirs at the buisness end of the game,
Plus the ref played extra injury time to cover this

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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 22:15

I think Spinazolla being out will be huge miss for Italy in the semi.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: parzdaft  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 22:22

That`s the tourney done now. All other games are a sideshow.

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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 22:25

`Plus the ref played extra injury time to cover this`

We all know the purpose is to break the rhythm of the opposition`s play. Adding time on doesn`t really compensate for that.

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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 22:38

It`s not even the going down easily that bothers me, it`s the feigning of injury that irks. Spinazolla goes off in tears knowing that his tournament is over meanwhile his team mates are writhing around in fake agony.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 22:49

Away and dinnae talk pash!

It`s the same with any game nowadays running down the clock, feigning injuries that wee bit longer. It needs stamped oot. Get stretcher on and cart them off field for treatment and continue is the only way to stamp it oot.

Anyway, Unlucky from the Belgian squad that squad deserved to play in a final of a major tourney. Italy look fluid and playing with pace which I think Spain are going to struggle with or maybe use to frustrate the Italians in semi final. Spain looked awful compared to the Golden generation. Still tactical but seem to lack any pace and decisive through balls cutting defenses wide open. Not a game I enjoyed as much as I enjoyed the late evening game.

Had a wee acca running Spain draw, Italy win, Czech rep win ( no too sure about this one) Ukraine and England draw.

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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 23:00

Italian full back apparently has snapped his achillies Sky Sport Italia are reporting.
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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 23:08

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Diving Bar Stewards! But no surprise! Hate Italian football!


How much Italian football do you watch ?
Youโ€™ll be aware that every team dives and tries to win free kicks in the modern game ?
Personally, I hate it but to pick out one team is a tad disappointing ?




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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 23:18

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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: Bedworth par  
Date:   Fri 2 Jul 23:28

Football ties itself in knots trying to stop time wasting. Players need treatment? Ah, then after we`ll make them go off the field, that`ll stop the fakers. That worked well. Just let physio come on and keep playing, serious injury stop play and stop the clock. Add full amount of time not approximate guess, it doesn`t stop the breaking of rhythm issue but surely would be better. Slight tangent, yellow cards, why not 15 minutes in the sin bin?

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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 3 Jul 06:53

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It`s not even the going down easily that bothers me, it`s the feigning of injury that irks. Spinazolla goes off in tears knowing that his tournament is over meanwhile his team mates are writhing around in fake agony.


I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments,TOWK. Feigning injury is completely contrary to the Corinthian spirit of sport. It used to be confined largely to the Latin countries of Europe and South America, but is now much more widespread and tacitly accepted as "part and parcel of the game", regrettably. Martin Keown even described it as "good gamesmanship" in the BBC commentary. I'm fairly certain Italian commentators would have praised it even more enthusiastically, rather than condemn it.

The will to stamp it out simply isn't there, partly because it's not always easy to to distinguish between genuine injuries and play acting straight away. How many fans and Belgian players were angered when Spinazzola was encouraged to lie down after that horrible injury? I hope he makes a full and rapid recovery. He was virtually unknown outside Italy a few weeks ago but has been a revelation in this tournament. Hopefully, he'll pick up a winner's medal next week. ๐Ÿ™‚



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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 3 Jul 07:04

So tonight sees England take on the Ukraine. Its hard to see anything other than a rather straight forward and comprehensive victory for the English. My head says 3-0 with Kane once again finding his scoring touch. However I`m starting to believe, perhaps being influenced by Sammer`s views on the abilities of both the Ukraine and England sides, that maybe this could be another one of those nights when England falter. First game in the tournament away from Wembley, different preparations, a kick off time temperature that is higher than they have played in yet, could it all add up to give an advantage to the Ukraine? Probably not but hope springs eternal.
The first game Denmark v Czech Rep is a more intriguing encounter. Denmark are the bookies clear favourites to proceed. The results and performances of both nations can have them feeling positive about today`s outcome. Denmark did look impressive when hammering Wales but then the Welsh defensively were woeful that day. The Czechs surprised the Dutch however they were greatly helped by the red card for De Ligt so that has to be factored in. Scotland created several chances against the Czechs so I expect Denmark to do the same, be more clinical and ultimately to get to the semis.

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They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Angus_W  
Date:   Sat 3 Jul 07:43

Thought Italy were excellent.

Yes they dive but the technical side of their game is breathtaking to watch, I could watch that style of football all night. The second goal was a perfect shot from Insigne, just enough bend to get it round the keeper - goal of the tournament so far.

Forza Italiaโ€ฆ

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 3 Jul 09:46

Given that the slightest touch nowadays seems to result in a free kick being awarded why is there a need for all the rolling around and histrionics we saw last night? The emphasis now seems to have switched from winning a foul to trying to get an opponent yellow- or red-carded.

And what`s the point of surrounding the referee and putting pressure on him when a decision is being checked by VAR? In fact, I think the Italian players last night were still complaining to the ref after Lukaku had converted Belgium`s penalty.

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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 3 Jul 09:58

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wee eck, Sat 3 Jul 09:46

Given that the slightest touch nowadays seems to result in a free kick being awarded why is there a need for all the rolling around and histrionics we saw last night? The emphasis now seems to have switched from winning a foul to trying to get an opponent yellow- or red-carded.

And what`s the point of surrounding the referee and putting pressure on him when a decision is being checked by VAR? In fact, I think the Italian players last night were still complaining to the ref after Lukaku had converted Belgium`s penalty.


Pertinent questions, wee eck, but I suspect you know the answers. ๐Ÿ™‚

It's all about putting pressure on the match officials every time a decision goes against your team. That puts doubts in the official's mind, so maybe next time he'll get the decision "right." e.g. What were Belgium's chances of getting a second penalty last night, even if it was more obvious than the first? I know VAR can complicate things now but the ref still has the final say.



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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Sat 3 Jul 10:27

Cant see past England 2-0, (un)fortunately I am self isolating so wont be in the pub surrounded by a 100 England fans, silver linings and all that....

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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 3 Jul 10:59

I hate to say it, GGR, but I do think Italian players are more prone to this behaviour than others. Could it be that it`s because Italian referees are more corruptible than others?

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 3 Jul 14:36

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wee eck, Sat 3 Jul 10:59

I hate to say it, GGR, but I do think Italian players are more prone to this behaviour than others. Could it be that it`s because Italian referees are more corruptible than others?


Ha ha, where to start? If you hate to say something, would you not be better keeping it to yourself? ๐Ÿ˜ƒ๐Ÿ˜„

I suppose I'm as well qualified to speak about Italians as anyone else on Dotnet. I hesitate to use the word race, since there is only one - the human race. (We often use it erroneously to segregate people of different skin tones, I learned recently.) So Italians as a "race" tend to be more passionate and demonstrative than northern Europeans. (How often have I feared that some Italians were about to come to blows and it turned out to be nothing more than friendly disagreement.) This trait is often visible on the football field. Italians will argue fiercely over a throw in on the halfway line. This doesn't fully answer your question, though.

Many of us can remember the 60s, when Calcio was notoriously cynical. Helenio Herrera is credited with inventing the ultra defensive catenaccio system - this involved stopping the opposition by fair means or foul. Inter won two Champions Cups and narrowly missed out on a 3rd v Celtic. 1967 was the beginning of the end of catenaccio - it had been discredited but didn't disappear overnight. Slowly but surely, Italian football adopted a more positive approach, epitomised by Mancini's side today.

What hasn't changed is the Italian mindset. All's fair in love and war - and football. Anything you can do to give your team an advantage is fair game to Italians - always has been. It's a philosophy that has been gaining traction in this country, too. "That was a good foul - took a yellow card for the team there." I wouldn't say the Italian players were trying to corrupt the ref last night - doesn't that usually involve money changing hands? - but they were certainly trying to influence him. Are Italian refs more corruptible than others (of other nationalities, you mean?) I wouldn't have thought so. We all have the same DNA but I suppose every man has his price. Down the years, refs from many different parts of the world have been bribed to favour one team over another - usually by crooked gamblers wanting to ensure they won.



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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 3 Jul 14:55

`Corruptible` was the wrong word to use, I`ll admit. I think you`re right that the `win at all costs` mentality is more pervasive and it doesn`t just affect sport unfortunately.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 3 Jul 15:05

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wee eck, Sat 3 Jul 14:55

`Corruptible` was the wrong word to use, I`ll admit. I think you`re right that the `win at all costs` mentality is more pervasive and it doesn`t just affect sport unfortunately.


I know I'm right, eck. The Corinthian ideal has been dead and gone a long time. All that matters is the result. Win at all costs arrived some years later in Britain. I remember being shocked listening to a post match interview by Allan Clarke, when he was Leeds manager and they were in a relegation battle. They ground out a dull 1-0 win and 2 (or was it 3) priceless points. John Motson opened with "That was a great result for you today, Allan, but not the most entertaining of games."

"If people want entertainment, they should go to the bleeding London Palladium" came the withering reply. ๐Ÿ˜•



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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Sat 3 Jul 16:57

In defence of catenaccio:

Helenio Herrera knew how to play catenaccio and make it attractive counter attacking style. Inter Milan won consecutive titles in the mid 1960s and had a similar goals ratio to the much admired Manchester United side containing Best, Law and Charlton that won two titles around the same time.

Inter Milan: 69-29 and 70-28 in a 34 match season.
Man Utd: 89-39 and 84-45 in a 42 match season.

Yet Herrera is tagged as the high priest of defensive football while Matt Busby is revered as a proponent of buccaneering football. It was Herreraโ€™s imitators who reduced catenaccio to what it is remembered as today, teams like Fiorentina who actually won the league in the late 1960s with a 38-18 ratio.

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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 4 Jul 07:28

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sammer, Sat 3 Jul 16:57

In defence of catenaccio


I see what you did there, Sammer. ๐Ÿ™‚

You and I are long enough in the tooth to know that you can prove anything with statistics.

My memories of Internazionale and Helenio Herrera are inextricably linked to the 1967 Champions Cup final. At that time, I still felt I was very much an Italian immigrant living in Scotland, speaking Italian at home and having lived approx half of my life in each country. My dad was supporting Inter, out of a sense of patriotic duty and I followed suit. When Sandro Mazzola scored a 7th min penalty, we both applauded enthusiastically. There then followed a siege on Inter's goal and when Tommy Gemmell, equalised about an hour later, I was secretly glad but didn't celebrate for fear of paternal retribution. When Stevie Chalmers netted the winner, I jumped up and celebrated like the Pars had just scored. I looked across at my dad, fearfully. He was smiling. "Celtic deserve it, son" he said. "Inter just wanted to hold out for 1-0."

Herrera's Inter were continuously followed by rumours of skullduggery, throughout his time at San Siro. Stories of referees, Rolex watches and mink coats abounded. I never paid much heed as a child, but I'm much more circumspect now. No smoke without fire. Bill Shankly's Liverpool were just one club which was convinced they had been undone by nefarious activity.

Inter's success inspired the national team to adopt similar tactics which resulted in a disastrous 1966 WC. Catenaccio? No, grazie.



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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sun 4 Jul 10:48

I would go along with wee eck`s remarks about Italy`s win-at-all-costs approach. It is a cynical approach to football that I greatly dislike.

As an Aussie, it still hurts, 15 years later, that we were dumped out of the World Cup by a blatant piece of cheating when Italy were awarded a very dubious penalty deep into injury time.

The only Italian team I have actually enjoyed watching was the team that won the 1982 World Cup.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 4 Jul 12:23

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OzPar, Sun 4 Jul 10:48

I would go along with wee eck`s remarks about Italy`s win-at-all-costs approach. It is a cynical approach to football that I greatly dislike.

As an Aussie, it still hurts, 15 years later, that we were dumped out of the World Cup by a blatant piece of cheating when Italy were awarded a very dubious penalty deep into injury time.

The only Italian team I have actually enjoyed watching was the team that won the 1982 World Cup.


It wasn't just wee eck that commented on the Italian mindset, Oz and it's not "Win at all costs" but anything you can do to give your team an advantage. This includes all the regrettable play acting and time wasting they showed near the end of the Belgium game. This is no justification or apology, but to get to that position you have to outscore your opponents and Italy played very well for at least 80 mins.

I remember the WC tie and the scandalous penalty award Italy benefited from. I didn't derive any pleasure from it whatsoever. The trouble is that the Italian media applauded the player who "won" it (was it Totti?) saying he had been very clever in convincing the ref he'd been fouled. โ˜น As I posted further up, this mentality is quite widespread nowadays. Italy and Argentina are probably still the worst exponents of it, but rest assured if Kane or Sterling dive in the penalty area, the commentators will be adamant that there was contact and it's a definite penalty.



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 Re: Today`s Quarter-final Ties
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Sun 4 Jul 14:04

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OzPar, Sun 4 Jul 10:48

I would go along with wee eck`s remarks about Italy`s win-at-all-costs approach. It is a cynical approach to football that I greatly dislike.

As an Aussie, it still hurts, 15 years later, that we were dumped out of the World Cup by a blatant piece of cheating when Italy were awarded a very dubious penalty deep into injury time.

The only Italian team I have actually enjoyed watching was the team that won the 1982 World Cup.


Did Lucas Neill get much of the ball that day?

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