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 No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 12:22

The government is understood to be in talks with the Premier League over preventing unvaccinated fans from attending matches; rule could be applied in the EFL and in other sports; government source believes plans could incentivise public to get vaccine.

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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: davepars  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 13:04

Excellent news. Sooner that is implemented up here the better.

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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 13:15

Not coercion at all, oh well, bye football, it's been nice.
Anyone calling for autonomy over our own bodies to be taken away by the most corrupt government of certainly my lifetime is crazy, you really want to trust these thieves and liars dictating what you put in your body?
Weak.

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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: charlie1  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 13:20

So 46.5 million UK folk are weak!
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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 13:21

Just to be clear then, you will be allowed in the football grounds if you’re COVID positive, as long as you’re jabbed?
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 13:22

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saltonsgonagetu, Mon 26 Jul 12:22

The government is understood to be in talks with the Premier League over preventing unvaccinated fans from attending matches; rule could be applied in the EFL and in other sports; government source believes plans could incentivise public to get vaccine.


I'm fairly certain this won't happen in Scotland.
The Scottish Government have already expressed issues over human rights and discrimination over only allowing vaccinated people access to things.
This is to protect the rights of those who are not able to be vaccinated.

It's sad that the rights of those most at risk from the virus are what will allow those selfish barstewards refusing the vaccine to potentially kill those vulnerable people.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 13:26

"Anyone calling for autonomy over our own bodies to be taken away by the most corrupt government of certainly my lifetime is crazy"

You`re normally telling us that we`re crazy if we think it is the government that make the decisions.

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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 13:29

I trust you will also be referring to the selfish barstewards who are double vaccinated that can’t be arsed wearing a face mask when asked to during the games yeah where they can equally spread and kill the most vulnerable yeah?

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Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 13:36

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Berry, Mon 26 Jul 13:29

I trust you will also be referring to the selfish barstewards who are double vaccinated that can’t be arsed wearing a face mask when asked to during the games yeah where they can equally spread and kill the most vulnerable yeah?



I am sure that everyone going to a football match will have assessed the risk of doing so.

You are not going to catch the virus sitting outside at a football match far less end up killing someone's granny.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 13:39

I`d say if you`re old enough to be someone`s granny, watching the Pars all your life has already had enough of a detrimental effect on your health.

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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 13:46

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Berry, Mon 26 Jul 13:29

I trust you will also be referring to the selfish barstewards who are double vaccinated that can’t be arsed wearing a face mask when asked to during the games yeah where they can equally spread and kill the most vulnerable yeah?


Yes.
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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 14:00

I decided to be vaccinated but I also believe it should be a matter of personal choice for everyone. People need to make tneir decisions based on reliable information, not some of the nonsense circulating on social media. I don't think we would have been able to visit my wife's elderly parents if we had not been vaccinated - the risk would have been too high.

I'm not at all comfortable with people being coerced into being vaccinated, which is exactly what's happening in a number of major European countries. Here in Italy, from August 6th, those without a Green Pass are to be denied access to various public amenities, including indoor bars and restaurants, cinemas, theatres, museums etc. There's also suggestions that they may not be allowed to use public transport.That can't be right. France is following a similar tack and there's been a rush of people applying to be vaccinated in both countries, so the authorities are getting what they want.

Present UK stats suggest that vaccination reduces the chances of catching the virus, which is perhaps what Governments should be highlighting.



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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 14:09

Absolutely believe 100% the vaccine is safe, effective and should be taken, however it is not mandatory. This is treading some very dangerous water.

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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 14:16

You still have a choice to be vaccinated or not but that choice also comes with consequences
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 14:32

Whether you choose to be vaccinated or not absolutely should be down to personal choice.

It's important to remember that being vaccinated also doesn't stop people contracting the virus and passing it on to others so it's potentially not that much more effective (and there is a risk it's less useful depending on how current research than pans out) than allowing people to attend games who have a recent negative test result (assuming the test result is genuine) or who have recently recovered from Covid and should have plenty antibodies kicking about.

Yes you can contract Covid after a negative test but the chances of becoming a risk to others in the time period between taking the test and attending an event is diminished. Having mandatory vaccine requirements at the expense of the other options to attend sporting events and access to other things like pubs and clubs is a bit unfair.
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Topic Originator: Angus_W  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 14:48

You still have a choice to be vaccinated or not but that choice also comes with consequences

... That`s the deal.

No one is making it mandatory - Its your choice but not getting it has consequences.

Try getting into any far east/African countrys without been vaccinated - Yellow fever, Typhoid etc - You wont get out the Airport.



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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 14:58

It shouldn’t come with consequences.

Going to the football was a freedom, going to a nightclub was a freedom. They can’t take away your freedoms (which they’ve already been doing) and then offer them back to you if you do what they tell you to do, otherwise they aren’t freedoms.

Sorry but that doesn’t wash. I feel more sorry for the kids.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 14:59

Yeah but as per my post above there's other ways to manage Covid and being double jabbed is not a guarantee of no transmission.

It's not a like for like comparison.
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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 15:05

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saltonsgonagetu, Mon 26 Jul 12:22

The government is understood to be in talks with the Premier League over preventing unvaccinated fans from attending matches; rule could be applied in the EFL and in other sports; government source believes plans could incentivise public to get vaccine.


I'm not sure I agree with this. Many people have health issues that prevent them getting jagged. It is a non starter.

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Topic Originator: 1985Par  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 15:15

The right way to go in my opinion. Don`t buy all the denial of freedom stuff. We were all denied our freedom to socialise, see family, go to work and watch our football team for over a year. It was a necessary measure in the midst of a pandemic which isn`t yet over. It is harsh on those who, for whatever reason, haven`t been vaccinated but you simply do not have the "freedom" to do what you want when there is a deadly and evolving virus circulating the globe, as we have all found out over the last 18 months. What are the options? 1) Let vaccinated people attend. 2) Let nobody attend so we all lose out or 3) Let everyone attend and risk another 18 months of this sh**e. Option 1 for me.



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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 15:19

Let people with a negative test or recently recovered from Covid attend too.

Removes the need for a vaccination and means people that don't want to be vaccinated can attend.

If folk can't be bothered getting a test then I wouldn't be bothered if they missed out.
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 15:19

Why let the vaccinated in without evidence that they aren’t COVID positive?

Why isn’t a lateral flow test not acceptable, yes it’s not exactly the most accurate piece of equipment but it’s better than not having one and doing a test at all.

Edit: thanks London, beat me to it.

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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 15:20

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Angus_W, Mon 26 Jul 14:48

You still have a choice to be vaccinated or not but that choice also comes with consequences

... That`s the deal.

No one is making it mandatory - Its your choice but not getting it has consequences.

Try getting into any far east/African countrys without been vaccinated - Yellow fever, Typhoid etc - You wont get out the Airport.



What far east countries won't you get out of the airport if you can't prove you have been vaccinated against yellow fever, typhoid etc?
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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 15:25

Purely from a Pars perspective, this won`t affect us, as it relates to crowds of 20K+




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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 15:55

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Berry, Mon 26 Jul 13:21

Just to be clear then, you will be allowed in the football grounds if you’re COVID positive, as long as you’re jabbed?


Doesn't matter what you have or transmit as long you 've taken their sponsors medicine.....but totally not coercion.
Imagine being happy being offered your freedom back as long as you perform tasks and take jabs.
I said it elsewhere....weak.

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Topic Originator: Angus_W  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 16:19

India - You wont get in without a Yellow fever jab.

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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 16:36

The negative test won`t placate many who are against covid passports for civil liberty concerns. How dare the government coerce us to stick a swab up our nose in order to be able to attend an event will be the cry.

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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 16:37

Think taking a test is slightly different to taking a vaccine……
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 16:47

It seems obvious to me that the issue isnt so much spreading the virus as inundating the NHS.
If you are double vaccinated you are less likely to be hospitalised.
The virus is spreading rapidly just now and the possibility of anti jabbers filling hospital beds is a real risk.

All you have to do to get back to virtually normal is stop listening to conspiracy gobshyte and get jabbed.

Glad I did because I had a helluva week that I wouldnt wish on any of you...and that was with the vaccine.
It is very possible that if I was weak enough to listen to the scaremongering antivaxers I might not be writing this just now.

Get the jag you fkin idiots.

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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 16:49

For me that's where the trade off is. We shouldn't just do nothing but we also shouldn't force folk to have a vaccine.

Frequenting testing and only quarantine when a positive test arises helps bridge that gap.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 16:55

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PARrot, Mon 26 Jul 16:47

It seems obvious to me that the issue isnt so much spreading the virus as inundating the NHS.
If you are double vaccinated you are less likely to be hospitalised.
The virus is spreading rapidly just now and the possibility of anti jabbers filling hospital beds is a real risk.

All you have to do to get back to virtually normal is stop listening to conspiracy gobshyte and get jabbed.

Glad I did because I had a helluva week that I wouldnt wish on any of you...and that was with the vaccine.
It is very possible that if I was weak enough to listen to the scaremongering antivaxers I might not be writing this just now.

Get the jag you fkin idiots.


The thing there though PARrot is that there is a genuine section of younger people who are arguably more at risk from the vaccine than they are Covid. Both are small %s to be fair but I can understand why some people wouldn't want to take it.

They are also the highest proportion of unvaccinated and are least likely to require hospital treatment.
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 16:58

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londonparsfan, Mon 26 Jul 16:55

Quote:

PARrot, Mon 26 Jul 16:47

It seems obvious to me that the issue isnt so much spreading the virus as inundating the NHS.
If you are double vaccinated you are less likely to be hospitalised.
The virus is spreading rapidly just now and the possibility of anti jabbers filling hospital beds is a real risk.

All you have to do to get back to virtually normal is stop listening to conspiracy gobshyte and get jabbed.

Glad I did because I had a helluva week that I wouldnt wish on any of you...and that was with the vaccine.
It is very possible that if I was weak enough to listen to the scaremongering antivaxers I might not be writing this just now.

Get the jag you fkin idiots.


The thing there though PARrot is that there is a genuine section of younger people who are arguably more at risk from the vaccine than they are Covid. Both are small %s to be fair but I can understand why some people wouldn't want to take it.

They are also the highest proportion of unvaccinated and are least likely to require hospital treatment.


Fine, they are exceptions then. We just need to be sensible about it.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 16:59

Shouldn't be an issue if the majority are vaccinated. It's not about spreading or catching, it's about limiting the effects on hospitals.

A point being missed is that the only reason stadiums are open at all is because of vaccinations resulting in a reduction of hospitalisations.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 17:01

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PARrot, Mon 26 Jul 16:47

It seems obvious to me that the issue isnt so much spreading the virus as inundating the NHS.
If you are double vaccinated you are less likely to be hospitalised.
The virus is spreading rapidly just now and the possibility of anti jabbers filling hospital beds is a real risk.

All you have to do to get back to virtually normal is stop listening to conspiracy gobshyte and get jabbed.

Glad I did because I had a helluva week that I wouldnt wish on any of you...and that was with the vaccine.
It is very possible that if I was weak enough to listen to the scaremongering antivaxers I might not be writing this just now.

Get the jag you fkin idiots.


60% of hospital admissions are double jabbed....but you're a "f*** idiot" for not getting jabbed?
Aye OK then.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 17:05

Not a dig at you Rasta as Vallance made an archie out of an update he gave but that 60% admissions stat is wrong. Its actually 60% of admissions are non vaccinated and he had to correct himself.
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 17:06

I think it’s 40% Rasta, guy misspoke at one of the daily updates and corrected himself on his Twitter.

Still a decent percentage to be fair.

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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 17:13

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Rastapari, Mon 26 Jul 17:01

Quote:

PARrot, Mon 26 Jul 16:47

It seems obvious to me that the issue isnt so much spreading the virus as inundating the NHS.
If you are double vaccinated you are less likely to be hospitalised.
The virus is spreading rapidly just now and the possibility of anti jabbers filling hospital beds is a real risk.

All you have to do to get back to virtually normal is stop listening to conspiracy gobshyte and get jabbed.

Glad I did because I had a helluva week that I wouldnt wish on any of you...and that was with the vaccine.
It is very possible that if I was weak enough to listen to the scaremongering antivaxers I might not be writing this just now.

Get the jag you fkin idiots.


60% of hospital admissions are double jabbed....but you're a "f*** idiot" for not getting jabbed?
Aye OK then.


Lol. Dont take it personally. I love you to pieces Rasta. Just genuine concern that any of you come a cropper unnecessarily.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 17:14

Incorrect, Rasta. It's 60% of those in hospital are unvaccinated.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 17:16

TBF though it was the lead guy on the numbers that made that mistake.
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 17:16

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jake89, Mon 26 Jul 17:14

Incorrect, Rasta. It's 60% of those in hospital are unvaccinated.


And thats justthe UK. USA its 85%

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Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 17:18

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Angus_W, Mon 26 Jul 16:19

India - You wont get in without a Yellow fever jab.


From the UK? You will be denied entry to India without a bit of paper saying you have had a vaccine for yellow fever?
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Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 17:23

I`m strong enough to take the vaccine and totally agree with it.
one person won`t convince me otherwise, no matter how loud they shout.

vaccine is helping control the situation, the high number of cases is still concerning and shows that it can`t be ignored.

if you haven`t been vaccinated then you are at a higher risk.

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Topic Originator: pacifist  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 17:30

Pretty much the unvaccinated who are ending up in hospital. The average age of people in hospital has reduced quite a bit. I saw yesterday that 60 people in Scotland who had both jabs have died so far. They may have died anyway and there would have been underlying causes but the vaccinations are saving lives.

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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 17:37

You can spin that both ways though, not all the deaths where people tested positive were down to Covid.

There’s no right or wrong for this but the government are trying to turn it that way.

People react differently to the vaccine as they would when catching Covid.

Some will have adverse reactions, many will have no symptoms at all. My next door neighbour tested positive and she was fine, 10 days off work, take outs in front of the telly.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 17:56

Covid cases Vs hospital admissions are down significantly when compared to last year. Whilst not scientific, it's probably fair to consider this is likely down to the vaccination programme.
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 17:57

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Berry, Mon 26 Jul 17:37

You can spin that both ways though, not all the deaths where people tested positive were down to Covid.

There’s no right or wrong for this but the government are trying to turn it that way.

People react differently to the vaccine as they would when catching Covid.

Some will have adverse reactions, many will have no symptoms at all. My next door neighbour tested positive and she was fine, 10 days off work, take outs in front of the telly.


....but it is almost certain that covid was the final straw for their bodies. They may have survived their conditions for a long tim had covid not finished them off.



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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 17:58

Six days of fallen numbers now which is good news.

Although they are pointing out it could be down to school holidays and down on testing, bit of optimism there for you.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 18:27

The vaccinated now make up the vast majority of the population. So if 60% of hospital cases is now coming from the lower number of unvaccinated it tells you that the vaccine is working extremely well in that regard.

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Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 18:30

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The One Who Knocks, Mon 26 Jul 18:27

The vaccinated now make up the vast majority of the population. So if 60% of hospital cases is now coming from the lower number of unvaccinated it tells you that the vaccine is working extremely well in that regard.


exactly!!!
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 18:34

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The One Who Knocks, Mon 26 Jul 18:27

The vaccinated now make up the vast majority of the population. So if 60% of hospital cases is now coming from the lower number of unvaccinated it tells you that the vaccine is working extremely well in that regard.


What I was thinking too. That's a very encouraging statistic indeed. The vaccine, even with a relatively large minority of unvaccinated, is looking like it will get us out of this mire. The only cloud on the horizon is the potential for significant mutations whilst large chunks of the world catch up on their vaccine rollout. That logic is based in the fact that the vaccine significantly lowers the transmission rate.

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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 18:34

Yes so there’s nothing really for you to worry about, if you’re vaccinated then why try and force it on those that don’t want it, think most of us unvaccinated accept the risks we’re taking, we shouldn’t be penalised for it and have restrictions posed on us, that’s what I’m not comfortable with.

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Topic Originator: SammyT73  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 18:46

Would folk refuse the vaccine if they were told should they become ill with Covid then they would not be entitled to NHS treatment? That may make them rethink, why should the NHS be burdened by people that refuse to help them in the first place.

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Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 18:50

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SammyT73, Mon 26 Jul 18:46

Would folk refuse the vaccine if they were told should they become ill with Covid then they would not be entitled to NHS treatment? That may make them rethink, why should the NHS be burdened by people that refuse to help them in the first place.


Good question Sammy!

Have always wondered what those who choose to not be vaccinated would do if say they were that confident about living without it spent a few days in hospital with patients with covid and in the ICU with no PPE on ?
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 18:51

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Berry, Mon 26 Jul 18:34

Yes so there’s nothing really for you to worry about, if you’re vaccinated then why try and force it on those that don’t want it, think most of us unvaccinated accept the risks we’re taking, we shouldn’t be penalised for it and have restrictions posed on us, that’s what I’m not comfortable with.


Maybe cause we are not selfish and care about those who are unable to be vaccinated.
I don't care if you can't do stuff because you are selfish you absolutely deserve that.
Those who can't get vaccinated would also suffer if we did that and that is why it's unlikely to happen. They don't deserve to suffer, you most certainly do and it's a travesty that you won't.
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 18:58

At the last two football games I wore a mask for the entirety of my time at the stadium, I kept my social distancing where at all possible, how many selfish people didn’t do that and were double vaccinated because they themselves thought there was no risk involved despite the guy on the tannoy mentioning it repeatedly to wear one.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 19:01

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londonparsfan, Mon 26 Jul 17:05

Not a dig at you Rasta as Vallance made an archie out of an update he gave but that 60% admissions stat is wrong. Its actually 60% of admissions are non vaccinated and he had to correct himself.


Hmmmmmm, those numbers still getting repeated.

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 19:02

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At the last two football games I wore a mask for the entirety of my time at the stadium, I kept my social distancing where at all possible, how many selfish people didn’t do that and were double vaccinated because they themselves thought there was no risk involved despite the guy on the tannoy mentioning it repeatedly to wear one.


Well done to you for doing what you are meant to.
The others who didn't need to take a long hard look at themselves.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 19:05

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SammyT73, Mon 26 Jul 18:46

Would folk refuse the vaccine if they were told should they become ill with Covid then they would not be entitled to NHS treatment? That may make them rethink, why should the NHS be burdened by people that refuse to help them in the first place.


Again coercion, if that ve the case then I shouldn't pay for the NHS then should I?
Works both ways.
And what about those that have died from the vaccine?
We just ignore that yeah, yellow card recording system showing over 5k and growing.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 19:17

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londonparsfan, Mon 26 Jul 17:05

Not a dig at you Rasta as Vallance made an archie out of an update he gave but that 60% admissions stat is wrong. Its actually 60% of admissions are non vaccinated and he had to correct himself.


Hmmmmmm, those numbers still getting repeated.


Mainly by people on chat forums who don't read the updates 😉
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Topic Originator: charlie1  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 19:20

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Rastapari, Mon 26 Jul 19:05

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SammyT73, Mon 26 Jul 18:46

Would folk refuse the vaccine if they were told should they become ill with Covid then they would not be entitled to NHS treatment? That may make them rethink, why should the NHS be burdened by people that refuse to help them in the first place.


Again coercion, if that ve the case then I shouldn't pay for the NHS then should I?
Works both ways.
And what about those that have died from the vaccine?
We just ignore that yeah, yellow card recording system showing over 5k and growing.


Keep paying for NHS - they treat insanity too!
Told you before over 5k have died within 2 weeks of vaccination, but cause of death is not the vaccine in majority of cases!
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 19:22

5k deaths linked to vaccines (0.01%), almost 130k from being unvaccinated. If using Yellow Card as an example, you might want to include this piece "Vaccination is the single most effective way to reduce deaths and severe illness from COVID-19."
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 19:39

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jake89, Mon 26 Jul 19:22

5k deaths linked to vaccines (0.01%), almost 130k from being unvaccinated. If using Yellow Card as an example, you might want to include this piece "Vaccination is the single most effective way to reduce deaths and severe illness from COVID-19."


Most of those died before vaccination fir covid was a thing, you'll do anything but face the hard numbers.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 19:42

They died with COVID. I think you need to look at data. 0.01% "linked" in a tiny proportion. No death is acceptable but there is no denying we'd be facing far more deaths without vaccination.
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Topic Originator: Parfect69  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 19:47

Usually totally respect your views Rasta on all things football related, however on this I believe you are so wide of the mark it is so unbelievable.
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Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 20:08

For me there is a solution, those who wish not to take the vaccine (and that is their choice at the end of the day) should be informed that should they be hospitalised with COVID then they will be billed for the treatment they receive

There is no compulsion to take the Vaccine however it is there to protect you, if you choose not to take that protection then you should be prepared to pay for the consequences

I will bet that the people who go into hospital with COVID after refusing the vaccine won’t be asking what is in the medication being used be used to save their lives

Perhaps that’s quite a simplistic viewpoint and I’m sure there will be those who will have a counter argument

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 20:31

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jake89, Mon 26 Jul 19:42

They died with COVID. I think you need to look at data. 0.01% "linked" in a tiny proportion. No death is acceptable but there is no denying we'd be facing far more deaths without vaccination.


The 5000 plus deaths have come from a shorter period of time, much shorter, hey ignore that all you like but if something could cause me to die, when I'm unlikely to face death from the foe it's supposed to protect me from.......I'l take the better bet.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 20:33

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Parfect69, Mon 26 Jul 19:47

Usually totally respect your views Rasta on all things football related, however on this I believe you are so wide of the mark it is so unbelievable.


That's fine, I'm not seeking validation.

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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 20:55

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1970par, Mon 26 Jul 20:08

For me there is a solution, those who wish not to take the vaccine (and that is their choice at the end of the day) should be informed that should they be hospitalised with COVID then they will be billed for the treatment they receive

There is no compulsion to take the Vaccine however it is there to protect you, if you choose not to take that protection then you should be prepared to pay for the consequences

I will bet that the people who go into hospital with COVID after refusing the vaccine won’t be asking what is in the medication being used be used to save their lives

Perhaps that’s quite a simplistic viewpoint and I’m sure there will be those who will have a counter argument


Dangerous path - how short a leap is it then to withhold treatment for the obese, alcoholics, smokers, drug addicts or anything else that has an element of self choice?


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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 21:01

Can anyone link to a reputable source regarding this 5000 figure.
If anyone is interested this is an excellent source of information regarding the yellow card system and how many side effects, trivial, serious and fatal have been reported in the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 21:07

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The One Who Knocks, Mon 26 Jul 21:01

Can anyone link to a reputable source regarding this 5000 figure.
If anyone is interested this is an excellent source of information regarding the yellow card system and how many side effects, trivial, serious and fatal have been reported in the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting


No, because there isn't one.

Rasta, the period of vaccination isn't that relevant. What is relevant is almost 50m doses being administered.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 21:09

People should receive treatment regardless if they have been vaccinated or not. As P says plenty of other forms of reckless behaviour aren`t punished by withdrawal or charging for NHS treatment.
I do wonder though if someone who refuses to be vaccinated goes to their doctors about some other ailment, potentially a serious one, and the doctor advises them to take a certain treatment which will cure them or levitate their suffering would they listen? Would the doctor be thinking `they believe and trust me now but not when I was telling them to get the vaccine?`.

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 21:27

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The One Who Knocks, Mon 26 Jul 21:09

People should receive treatment regardless if they have been vaccinated or not. As P says plenty of other forms of reckless behaviour aren`t punished by withdrawal or charging for NHS treatment.
I do wonder though if someone who refuses to be vaccinated goes to their doctors about some other ailment, potentially a serious one, and the doctor advises them to take a certain treatment which will cure them or levitate their suffering would they listen? Would the doctor be thinking `they believe and trust me now but not when I was telling them to get the vaccine?`.


One of the strangest complaints I've seen Rasta make is cancer patients having treatment stopped due to the lockdown. The only treatments that were stopped were experimental trials. So he's absolutely fine with those experimental treatments but aghast that fully tested vaccines are offered and describes them as experimental in order to discredit them.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 21:44

I'll tell you what though, governments around the world poured resources into finding a vaccine and somehow the scientists came up with some in a matter of months. Maybe now they should do the same with finding a cure for cancer. When you look at the billions that people around the world over decades have raised for cancer research and we are still not much further forward
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 21:45

I was in a group on Saturday and one of the people there came up with this idea. If you take ill with Covid and if you refused to get the vaccine you should have to pay for your treatment. I had a more radical idea but!

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 21:58

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red-star-par, Mon 26 Jul 21:44

I'll tell you what though, governments around the world poured resources into finding a vaccine and somehow the scientists came up with some in a matter of months. Maybe now they should do the same with finding a cure for cancer. When you look at the billions that people around the world over decades have raised for cancer research and we are still not much further forward


Apples and oranges.

It's not a cure. Saying this is a cure would be like saying we've cured cervical cancer by introducing the HPV.

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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 22:19

I've had both shots of the vaccine, think it's the best thing to do and firmly believe it's the only way back to some form of new normality.

However, some people need to calm a bit and show a some understanding for those not wanting to take it.

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 23:20

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jake89, Mon 26 Jul 21:58

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red-star-par, Mon 26 Jul 21:44

I'll tell you what though, governments around the world poured resources into finding a vaccine and somehow the scientists came up with some in a matter of months. Maybe now they should do the same with finding a cure for cancer. When you look at the billions that people around the world over decades have raised for cancer research and we are still not much further forward


Apples and oranges.

It's not a cure. Saying this is a cure would be like saying we've cured cervical cancer by introducing the HPV.


Interesting you should mention HPV as a friend of mines daughter was given that vaccine and soon after went from being a happy young girl to confined to a wheelchair with no quality of life. Her mother blames this entirely on the vaccine but has had a hell of a time trying to get her story out there
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Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Mon 26 Jul 23:20

I have a close family member who has been working in a Red (Covid) ICU since the pandemic began, effectively putting her own life on the line for the sake of others every day she goes to work. A couple of months ago, just before the latest steep increase in infection rates, she wrote this - so I have no time for anyone who wilfully implies the whole thing is a hoax or a government-inspired plot.

"We went into the very prolonged second wave in Red (Covid) ICU with a sense of resignation & dread that after a few Summer months of respite with no cases, here we were again but this time it would be prolonged for many months up until just recently.

I could spend ages talking about the extreme discomfort we faced wearing full PPE for 12hr shifts months on end or the fear, anxiety & crying that happened as we prepared to go into the Red Zone daily, the long separation from our own families for fear of unintentionally giving them covid & now we were also facing the public backlash & covid deniers. Completely demoralised, we were risking our lives every shift & being called liars for it.

However, regardless of all the many challenges & discomfort we ourselves faced, the saddest & hardest to talk about is how many of our precious patients died despite our best efforts.

Over & over again we held their hands as they died, when just days before we had been talking & laughing with them before they further deteriorated & went onto ventilators.

I`ve seen many deaths over the years as a nurse but never so much death at one time. Most of our patients had been leading happy, active lives & covid robbed them & their families so cruelly.

Throughout it all, the bravery & teamwork that all my colleagues continue to show has been humbling, I couldn`t ask for a better team to work with, not just nurses but all of us, physios, porters, domestics, doctors, clerical staff & our amazing students.

We must always, always hope that things will continue to be better but as covid numbers are decreasing there will be those who continue to deny things were that bad & for that reason, for our own sake & in memory of our patients, we must not forget what has happened."

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Topic Originator: Parfect68  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 07:24

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DA-go Par Adonis, Mon 26 Jul 22:19

I've had both shots of the vaccine, think it's the best thing to do and firmly believe it's the only way back to some form of new normality.

However, some people need to calm a bit and show a some understanding for those not wanting to take it.



Agree with you DA-GO, as much as I am firm and happy in my decision to take the vaccine, i do understand other's reluctance.

Calling people selfish barstewards for not taking it is as bad as persistently calling others weak for taking it.

At this point there should be encouragement to take it, an open and honest discussion about risks of adverse effects, directly comparing with the risks of not taking it, including the numbers of those vacc v unvacc ending up in hospital or icu or even worse death. Note I say open and honest, fully transparent, validated numbers, not internet posted things where you're not prepared to share your sources (find it yourself is not a reasonable answer).


Withholding care is unethical and is never the answer unless we want to become an uncivilised society.

Nor do i believe in prevention of access to things (whether it be jobs, entertainment venues or education) at this time , it should be that you have evidence of double jag or evidence of at least a rapid access test within last 12hrs (preferably less, 2 if possible). Once we have 2-3yrs evidence from vaccine use and proven outcomes you could then put in restrictions on access and there may be consequences of refusing it but you should not force people to have the vaccine.

As it goes, I don't think we need a mask on in the open air, especially if we are socially distanced as a group but I'd be HAPPY to comply at this point to access EEP if it allows us to access the footie just now. What I suggest may happen going forward is we lose the need to wear it sat outside but must wear it on going into the concourse for entry/exit, pie q etc. So i agree with Berry, it's disrespectful to not wear your mask at the footie just now just because you are doubke jagged because we've been respectfully asked to at this time, until we understand more. If you have chosen not to be vacc AND choose not to wear a mask you are making your own choice but you ARE being totally disrespectful to the risk of others.

Last point. My question(s) to Rasta and /or others. What route would you have taken to get us out of lockdown and reduce hospitalisations if it was not the vaccine? And if one of the answers is protect the vulnerable and let young or healthy run free, help me understand who it would be (define vulnerable and who would look after them ) and how we protect them?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 07:49

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P, Mon 26 Jul 20:55

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1970par, Mon 26 Jul 20:08

For me there is a solution, those who wish not to take the vaccine (and that is their choice at the end of the day) should be informed that should they be hospitalised with COVID then they will be billed for the treatment they receive

There is no compulsion to take the Vaccine however it is there to protect you, if you choose not to take that protection then you should be prepared to pay for the consequences

I will bet that the people who go into hospital with COVID after refusing the vaccine won’t be asking what is in the medication being used be used to save their lives

Perhaps that’s quite a simplistic viewpoint and I’m sure there will be those who will have a counter argument


Dangerous path - how short a leap is it then to withhold treatment for the obese, alcoholics, smokers, drug addicts or anything else that has an element of self choice?


Was about to post the same, in answer to 1970 Par, before I saw yours, P.

What a heartfelt piece from your relative, Stanza. Some I'll informed posters would do well to read it and absorb its content.



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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 09:37

"Dangerous path - how short a leap is it then to withhold treatment for the obese, alcoholics, smokers, drug addicts or anything else that has an element of self choice?"

You could argue that these conditions are self inflicted, whereas Covid isn`t.

On the other hand the government gets large tax revenues from alcohol and tobacco which can (?) help fund NHS treatment.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 09:48

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sadindiefreak, Mon 26 Jul 21:27

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The One Who Knocks, Mon 26 Jul 21:09

People should receive treatment regardless if they have been vaccinated or not. As P says plenty of other forms of reckless behaviour aren`t punished by withdrawal or charging for NHS treatment.
I do wonder though if someone who refuses to be vaccinated goes to their doctors about some other ailment, potentially a serious one, and the doctor advises them to take a certain treatment which will cure them or levitate their suffering would they listen? Would the doctor be thinking `they believe and trust me now but not when I was telling them to get the vaccine?`.


One of the strangest complaints I've seen Rasta make is cancer patients having treatment stopped due to the lockdown. The only treatments that were stopped were experimental trials. So he's absolutely fine with those experimental treatments but aghast that fully tested vaccines are offered and describes them as experimental in order to discredit them.


Utter nonsense, I had a friend whose experimental cancer treatment was stopped and a friend whose regular cancer treatments were stopped, two fathers of three lost their lives, says it all about you that you would use them for a pop at me you absurd sad little cretin.
After this latest wee gem, stay away from me.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 10:09

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Rastapari, Tue 27 Jul 09:48

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sadindiefreak, Mon 26 Jul 21:27

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The One Who Knocks, Mon 26 Jul 21:09

People should receive treatment regardless if they have been vaccinated or not. As P says plenty of other forms of reckless behaviour aren`t punished by withdrawal or charging for NHS treatment.
I do wonder though if someone who refuses to be vaccinated goes to their doctors about some other ailment, potentially a serious one, and the doctor advises them to take a certain treatment which will cure them or levitate their suffering would they listen? Would the doctor be thinking `they believe and trust me now but not when I was telling them to get the vaccine?`.


One of the strangest complaints I've seen Rasta make is cancer patients having treatment stopped due to the lockdown. The only treatments that were stopped were experimental trials. So he's absolutely fine with those experimental treatments but aghast that fully tested vaccines are offered and describes them as experimental in order to discredit them.


Utter nonsense, I had a friend whose experimental cancer treatment was stopped and a friend whose regular cancer treatments were stopped, two fathers of three lost their lives, says it all about you that you would use them for a pop at me you absurd sad little cretin.
After this latest wee gem, stay away from me.


ah the love in continues between u pair eh lol
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 10:14

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red-star-par, Mon 26 Jul 23:20

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jake89, Mon 26 Jul 21:58

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red-star-par, Mon 26 Jul 21:44

I'll tell you what though, governments around the world poured resources into finding a vaccine and somehow the scientists came up with some in a matter of months. Maybe now they should do the same with finding a cure for cancer. When you look at the billions that people around the world over decades have raised for cancer research and we are still not much further forward


Apples and oranges.

It's not a cure. Saying this is a cure would be like saying we've cured cervical cancer by introducing the HPV.


Interesting you should mention HPV as a friend of mines daughter was given that vaccine and soon after went from being a happy young girl to confined to a wheelchair with no quality of life. Her mother blames this entirely on the vaccine but has had a hell of a time trying to get her story out there


I remember this (Lanarkshire or thereabouts?). Did the mother ever get answers?
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 10:19

Good post, Parfect68

My friend has been receiving cancer treatment throughout the pandemic at the Vic




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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 10:52

I think most cancer patients have continued to get treatment. That`s not to say some have not and have every reason to believe Rasta`s account.

All I would ask is that, whatever side of the debate anyone is on, have some respect for the fact that many people will have lost loved ones due to Covid or as a by-product of the pandemic.

I just wish people would show some empathy for others. I`ve said it before though and I`m not optimistic.

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 12:28

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Rastapari, Tue 27 Jul 09:48

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sadindiefreak, Mon 26 Jul 21:27

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The One Who Knocks, Mon 26 Jul 21:09

People should receive treatment regardless if they have been vaccinated or not. As P says plenty of other forms of reckless behaviour aren`t punished by withdrawal or charging for NHS treatment.
I do wonder though if someone who refuses to be vaccinated goes to their doctors about some other ailment, potentially a serious one, and the doctor advises them to take a certain treatment which will cure them or levitate their suffering would they listen? Would the doctor be thinking `they believe and trust me now but not when I was telling them to get the vaccine?`.


One of the strangest complaints I've seen Rasta make is cancer patients having treatment stopped due to the lockdown. The only treatments that were stopped were experimental trials. So he's absolutely fine with those experimental treatments but aghast that fully tested vaccines are offered and describes them as experimental in order to discredit them.


Utter nonsense, I had a friend whose experimental cancer treatment was stopped and a friend whose regular cancer treatments were stopped, two fathers of three lost their lives, says it all about you that you would use them for a pop at me you absurd sad little cretin.
After this latest wee gem, stay away from me.


When you made the claim at the time I checked exactly what treatments were stopped.
NHS Scotland stated categorically that the only treatments that were stopped due to covid were experimental treatments under test.

If someone else had treatments stopped it was either because those treatments were not working and the decision was made in conjunction with their consultant or they made the decision to stop themselves.

I found this information directly on NHS Scotland website.

You do say one was experimental treatment that was stopped. I wasn't "having a pop at you" I was just saying I find your stance on one experimental treatment to be at odds with your stance on another.

Same goes with your attitude to the deaths of those who died of Covid with underlying conditions.
Then one time you were talking about suicides during lockdown. I pointed out to you that many of those would already have had mental health issues or "an underlying condition" and you completely lost the plot with me.

Are these things I've said untrue? No.
Are they insensitive? Almost certainly.
The thing is you spout stuff on here that is both untrue and insensitive and then play the victim card whenever anyone challenges you.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 12:35

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 12:48

Maybe if you didn't lie so much people would be more inclined to believe you.
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Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 12:49

I suspect the whole truth about cancer treatments being stopped or delayed lies somewhere between the two extremes being tossed about on this thread.

My understanding (based on my partner`s own experience after diagnosis in Nov 2019) is that where cancer treatment had started it continued, sometimes with delays but pretty much as laid down by the consultant and multi-disciplinary team who decided what had to be done.

However, where a patient had been referred by a GP for screening or to a consultant there were significant delays in being seen, and therefore subsequent delays in treatment. In addition, some potential cancer cases will have been undiagnosed due to the patient`s reluctance to even go to a GP during the pandemic, for fear of contracting Covid-19.

This Lancet study (April 2021) analyses the figures.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(21)00148-0/fulltext



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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 13:40

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sadindiefreak, Tue 27 Jul 12:48

Maybe if you didn't lie so much people would be more inclined to believe you.


I can take my tin foil hat off and get jabbed in a second, what can you do about what's in you if it all goes wrong?
Comfortable in my position.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 13:40

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veteraneastender, Tue 27 Jul 09:37

"Dangerous path - how short a leap is it then to withhold treatment for the obese, alcoholics, smokers, drug addicts or anything else that has an element of self choice?"

You could argue that these conditions are self inflicted, whereas Covid isn`t.

On the other hand the government gets large tax revenues from alcohol and tobacco which can (?) help fund NHS treatment.


Sorry I don’t understand your point? I was using this as an example on why you would NOT withhold treatment to people with Covid who have refused the vaccine?


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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 13:56

The point being there are generally two sides to every argument.
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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 14:05

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veteraneastender, Tue 27 Jul 13:56

The point being there are generally two sides to every argument.


Yes but it’s not clear what side you are taking - you seem to be arguing my point so suggesting that treatment for people with Covid should be withheld for those that have said no to the jab and that people who have self inflicted illness should be treated better than vaccine refusers?




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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 14:06

Post removed wrong thread!

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Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 14:19

Noticed was getting 5G on mobile phone at EEP at the weekend there, must been cause had the vaccines according to some.....
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Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 14:27

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I can take my tin foil hat off and get jabbed in a second, what can you do about what`s in you if it all goes wrong?


you could effectively say that about any vaccine, very shoddy argument.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 14:37

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brian, Tue 27 Jul 14:27

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I can take my tin foil hat off and get jabbed in a second, what can you do about what`s in you if it all goes wrong?


you could effectively say that about any vaccine, very shoddy argument.


Also worth highlighting that it takes 2 months (min) before you have effective protection.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 14:41

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jake89, Tue 27 Jul 14:37

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brian, Tue 27 Jul 14:27

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I can take my tin foil hat off and get jabbed in a second, what can you do about what`s in you if it all goes wrong?


you could effectively say that about any vaccine, very shoddy argument.


Also worth highlighting that it takes 2 months (min) before you have effective protection.


Still though, both of you, I KNOW what's in my body, you can't really, not until there's long term data.
Anyhoo, how's that get jabbed and you can travel going?

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 14:43

I can list exactly what's in the vaccine. It's available online. Of course, it could be lies, but then you could be lies to about what was in the cup of coffee you had this morning.
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Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 14:43

I should also have said that, yes, I do understand there is a risk taking any vaccine.

but in my opinion it is a much better risk not just for me but for my effect on other people. you can disagree, which is your right, but please don`t argue with me about it.

oh, and please also don`t intimidate or bully other users of the forum



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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 14:46

I know both the main antivaxers on here and both are far from selfish.

I believe this particular decision is a selfish action though. It is all about doing our best to protect everyone and not to overwhelm the hospitals so other patients dont miss out on vital treatments.
The risks are so out weighed by the benefits that it is reasonable to say refusing is a selfish act, regardless of rights.

I really dont see how you can argue that people who dont vaccinate, and therefore pose a higher risk of hospitalisation should not be reasonably restricted to prevent that problem.

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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 14:48

Why does it always end up in bickering.
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 14:56

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Berry, Tue 27 Jul 14:48

Why does it always end up in bickering.


Considering it's a life and death matter, I don't think the bickering has been too bad. Apart from Sif and Rastas wee tussle. Most posts are surprisingly respectful.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 15:03

I'm quite clear it's the individuals choice, but I will correct anything I see as misleading on either side of the debate. I'm not doctor so always happy to be corrected too!

Going back to the original topic - I don't see how this can be enforced unless exemptions are made for under-18s. Even if that is the case, I don't see there being a significant benefit in excluding a minority of unvaccinated people.

I'd argue (with zero evidence to back this up!) that people have been more gung-ho since getting the vaccine so the people most at risk would be the unvaccinated, who are at greater risk and I'd expect are more cautious than the vaccinated.

Also, I'd totally expect it would take minutes to create a fake certificate for the purposes of football! No disrespect but I highly doubt a steward is going to do a proper check.
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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 15:25

Take it you’ve never eaten from a restaurant or processed food or take away our street food then… if yes then you’ve no clue what’s been in your body! 🤣
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 15:48

My last post on this thread I think.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer.

I take my hat off to those that have taken the vaccine, without doubt it has improved the situation and we are in a better position for it. For me and my family, we believe it isn’t the right decision for us at this time.

For our kids, it wasn’t really in question, they won’t be getting it full stop because they don’t need it.

We know the risks we’re taking if we catch COVID, i could be lying in a hospital bed in a few weeks time, equally I could have had it already and be none the wiser but at our ages we feel that we will be ok, is it the right decision..who knows but it’s a decision we have a right to make without judgement.

If I was in an older age bracket my decision would be different. Yes I may pose a higher risk to others, those most vulnerable have thankfully been double jabbed. That sounds really wrong and selfish, I’m not articulate with my words to portray it how I’d prefer to, it is selfish, but I have to think of myself and family first.

Those that have taken the vaccine inherit a different type of risk however small you see it being, it’s new and despite how much money they threw into getting it through the stages quicker it hasn’t stood the test of time to understand the long term side effects, if there are any, again…who knows.

Blood clots, inflammation of the heart etc, whilst low in number came out as and when the vaccines were being given. What else may there be? Who knows.

AstraZenica was pulled for under a certain age bracket whilst it was being rolled out.

It was meant to be two doses, they are already talking about the need of a booster. An article was recently on Sky News advising that 8 weeks is a sweet spot between doses.

There was an article advising that mixing and matching vaccines might provide better protection.

There’s this Delta variant that came out and there was no real clue initially on whether the vaccines were covering it.

Some of this I’m not throwing out to be challenged as some of it can’t be helped, who would’ve known about a Delta variant for example but it shows that they are still muddling their way through working it all out so what’s wrong with peoples views of wanting to wait for a little more comfort and when the dust settles a little bit more. Some are more reserved and hesitant than others, that doesn’t mean they are selfish barstewards.

Given all the above, and that the vaccine is still in clinical trials until 2023, I am really struggling to get my head around how a government can coerce people into taking the vaccine and threaten them with these passports and if this is allowed then what’s next and what does that open us up to in future.

Whilst we could say the risk is reduced if you are vaccinated, you can still catch it, you can still spread it so why isn’t a negative test not required still even if you weren’t to let the unvaccinated in?

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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 16:01

Post continues..

In terms of restrictions I was fine with the holidays abroad, odds were I wouldn’t have went regardless, too much of a faff. Spain turning to amber again?

But when it comes to nightclubs, football, restaurants, allowing students to be educated…..it crosses a line and in my opinion it’s wrong.

I was at both football home games this season so far, i abided by the rules throughout, many fans which I’m sure have been double jabbed chose not to wear a mask and social distance, pick and choosing which rules to follow which I can understand really given the confusing messaging from government at times.

I’ve not once criticised or mocked anyone for taking the vaccine.

What I don’t appreciate is those not taking the vaccine being mocked who have genuine reasons for not wanting to take one. Not all people that haven’t taken one believe in all this conspiracy stuff (5G latest example).

From a different angle I actually feel healthier, I’m more conscious of personal hygiene and hand sanitisation (should be an everyday occurrence before this I know but you know that’s not the case), I’m more conscious of my weight and what I eat so I give myself the best chance of surviving a virus.

It’s all good, I respect everyone’s opinion. Hope everyone is safe and well.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 17:34

Excellent, well reasoned post(s), Berry. Respect.



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Topic Originator: 1985Par  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 18:59

Berry, your concerns re the vaccine are legitimate, but ones we all faced. I wasn`t particularly keen to take it, but wasn`t comfortable with being once again able to enjoy society opening up on the back of a risk that others took on my behalf. There`s nothing wrong in my opinion with vaccine passports - vaccinated people are less likely to catch and spread the virus in a crowded area so ultimately less folk will get ill. That isn`t a denial of our freedom, it`s about saving lives and taking the strain off the NHS so people with other illnesses can be seen to. As Nicola Sturgeon said today, if people do not get vaccinated we will not get to the level of collective immunity required to see this virus off. I read your posts, appreciate your concerns but, as someone who took a risk taking the vaccine for an illness i`ve probably already had, I felt a bit aggrieved. Sorry.

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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 20:13

I honestly aggre with everything Rast and Berry says. If you don’t want to take the vaccine untill further investigation then it’s their choice. The problem is now it’s a us/them the government has installed and it’s not right.
After all the vaccinated should not get as bad symptoms but unvaccinated will…. that is a load of rubbish.
Freedom Day…… what a load of ****!

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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 20:19

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EEP, Tue 27 Jul 20:13

I honestly aggre with everything Rast and Berry says. If you don’t want to take the vaccine untill further investigation then it’s their choice. The problem is now it’s a us/them the government has installed and it’s not right.
After all the vaccinated should not get as bad symptoms but unvaccinated will…. that is a load of rubbish.
Freedom Day…… what a load of ****!


Sorry EEP, have you had the virus or are you just guessing here. I got it and fank thuk I had the jags. (Forgot how to spell vakseen).
There is no government plot to force it. There is no question that vaccinated people are less likely to impact the NHS but a rapid spread in unvaccinated will most likely be very costly.
No victims here, just plain common sense.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 20:45

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jake89, Tue 27 Jul 14:43

I can list exactly what's in the vaccine. It's available online. Of course, it could be lies, but then you could be lies to about what was in the cup of coffee you had this morning.


You can read a list, cute.
Now tell me your favourite and why, how many linked to cancers?
How many organic materials in there and how many synthetic?
Sorry, forgot you are well versed✌

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 21:00

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Rastapari, Tue 27 Jul 20:45

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jake89, Tue 27 Jul 14:43

I can list exactly what's in the vaccine. It's available online. Of course, it could be lies, but then you could be lies to about what was in the cup of coffee you had this morning.


You can read a list, cute.
Now tell me your favourite and why, how many linked to cancers?
How many organic materials in there and how many synthetic?
Sorry, forgot you are well versed✌


Easy:

- None
- Bit of both. The receiver is synthetic as are some of the other ingredients. Also contains what is really just water, salt and sugar.
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Topic Originator: 1985Par  
Date:   Tue 27 Jul 21:17

Think the astra zeneca vaccine is a disenabled monkey virus with a bit of DNA taken out. Guess i`ll find out soo oo oo oon, if it`s got any side effects.



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Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 10:28

I have relatives who live in France, there is a huge movement in that country who do not believe anything their government says. The amount of people refusing to take the jags there is much much higher than in the UK

I understand why people don’t trust politicians (most of them are economical with the truth) I do however always wonder what makes people question what the huge quantity of experts say in favour of a couple of conspiracy theorists who post things on tinternet

Did the holocaust actually happen? did man actually land on the moon? who actually shot JFK? Was it the US government who actually brought down the twin towers? Are the worlds governments actually injecting some kind of mind altering micro chip into peoples arms with the vaccine?

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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 12:22

Chelsea supporters must provide proof of double vaccination or a negative lateral flow test before attending games at Stamford Bridge or Kingsmeadow this season; club says "this is to increase the safety and comfort of our supporters, players and staff"

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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 12:29

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1970par, Wed 28 Jul 10:28

I have relatives who live in France, there is a huge movement in that country who do not believe anything their government says. The amount of people refusing to take the jags there is much much higher than in the UK

I understand why people don’t trust politicians (most of them are economical with the truth) I do however always wonder what makes people question what the huge quantity of experts say in favour of a couple of conspiracy theorists who post things on tinternet

Did the holocaust actually happen? did man actually land on the moon? who actually shot JFK? Was it the US government who actually brought down the twin towers? Are the worlds governments actually injecting some kind of mind altering micro chip into peoples arms with the vaccine?


There is also the new wave of YouTube Entrepreneurs. There's money to be made if you can get a lot of followers, and saying boring, conformist stuff ain't gonna attract many followers...

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Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 13:11

out of curiosity, who would this effect say it came into place? unlikely i know.

2 have made it clear about their stance on here regularly, but anyone else?

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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 13:52

Aberdeen have 6000 capacity for opening game v Dundee Utd , fans are allotted half hour slot to enter the ground ,must have face covering ,photo ID and proof off negative lateral flow test

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Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 14:11

just going thru mortons twitter and found this....

"Fans will also still be able to bring in their own drinks and food, but are reminded no cans, bottles or flasks can be brought in."

hows that supposed to work...... lol

then...

"The entry conditions include the requirement that social distancing must be always maintained, and face masks must be worn to cover the nose and mouth. There will be council officials in attendance at home matches to ensure that the club are following the necessary protocols. As such, if fans do not follow the Covid rules they will be asked to leave the stadium.

Supporters must arrive at Cappielow at their designated time. If you are late, you will not be permitted to enter the stadium. Please bear that in mind when purchasing your tickets.

On arrival, your temperature will be checked, and you will be required to sanitise your hands before entry.

Once inside the stadium, stewards will direct you to your seat or allocated standing area. You must remain in your position unless you require the use of the toilets."

and to top it all off, its scheduled arrival times depending on where your seat is or what your surname begins with lol

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 14:18

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1970par, Wed 28 Jul 10:28

I have relatives who live in France, there is a huge movement in that country who do not believe anything their government says. The amount of people refusing to take the jags there is much much higher than in the UK

I understand why people don’t trust politicians (most of them are economical with the truth) I do however always wonder what makes people question what the huge quantity of experts say in favour of a couple of conspiracy theorists who post things on tinternet

Did the holocaust actually happen? did man actually land on the moon? who actually shot JFK? Was it the US government who actually brought down the twin towers? Are the worlds governments actually injecting some kind of mind altering micro chip into peoples arms with the vaccine?


Only there are thousands of doctors and scientists speaking out, my decision has nothing to do with "a couple of conspiracy theorists", my own doctor is not taking thd vaccine ffs...
And why did you follow up with a lazy ridiculous list like that.
Are you saying wanting autonomy over your own body automatically makes you doubt the holocaust?
Wow.

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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 16:08

Temperature check is a good idea that Morton are putting in place.

Imagine it will be simpler logistically to co-ordinate, quicker to admit fans and less open to cheating the system I would’ve thought. Better for fans as well with no need to take a lateral flow test which has a number of loopholes.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 16:11

80+% of NHS workers have been vaccinated. Slightly higher than average for adults.
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Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 16:24

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Berry, Wed 28 Jul 16:08

Temperature check is a good idea that Morton are putting in place.

Imagine it will be simpler logistically to co-ordinate, quicker to admit fans and less open to cheating the system I would’ve thought. Better for fans as well with no need to take a lateral flow test which has a number of loopholes.


It's really not a good idea. It's a farcical idea that just stinks of doing something for the sake of doing something.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 16:31

"Only there are thousands of doctors and scientists speaking out, my decision has nothing to do with "a couple of conspiracy theorists", my own doctor is not taking thd vaccine ffs..."

ffs where to start with this nonsense

I`ve no idea how many doctors there are on this planet but I`ll guess there are hundreds of thousands of doctors and scientists who are taking the vaccine. Anyway you`re the type of person who`d refuse the vaccine even if your doctor advised you to take it. You always know best.



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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 16:39

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da_no_1, Wed 28 Jul 16:31

"Only there are thousands of doctors and scientists speaking out, my decision has nothing to do with "a couple of conspiracy theorists", my own doctor is not taking thd vaccine ffs..."

ffs where to start with this nonsense

I`ve no idea how many doctors there are on this planet but I`ll guess there are hundreds of thousands of doctors and scientists who are taking the vaccine. Anyway you`re the type of person who`d refuse the vaccine even if your doctor advised you to take it. You always know best.



I'll tell you what you vaccinated aren't half triggered.
You'd think you feel all safe and contented eh?

So if you wear a mask to protect me, why doesn't it protect you?
If you get a vaccine to protect me, why doesn't it protect you?

I await more abuse from you with glee....or...you could just calm down a bit, you're a good citizen, enjoy it.

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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 16:42

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Rastapari, Wed 28 Jul 14:18

Quote:

1970par, Wed 28 Jul 10:28

I have relatives who live in France, there is a huge movement in that country who do not believe anything their government says. The amount of people refusing to take the jags there is much much higher than in the UK

I understand why people don’t trust politicians (most of them are economical with the truth) I do however always wonder what makes people question what the huge quantity of experts say in favour of a couple of conspiracy theorists who post things on tinternet

Did the holocaust actually happen? did man actually land on the moon? who actually shot JFK? Was it the US government who actually brought down the twin towers? Are the worlds governments actually injecting some kind of mind altering micro chip into peoples arms with the vaccine?


Only there are thousands of doctors and scientists speaking out, my decision has nothing to do with "a couple of conspiracy theorists", my own doctor is not taking thd vaccine ffs...
And why did you follow up with a lazy ridiculous list like that.
Are you saying wanting autonomy over your own body automatically makes you doubt the holocaust?
Wow.


I dont believe there are thousands. Maybe hundreds. Even a few thousand is pathetic on a worldwide scale.

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Topic Originator: charlie1  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 16:57

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Rastapari, Wed 28 Jul 16:39

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da_no_1, Wed 28 Jul 16:31

"Only there are thousands of doctors and scientists speaking out, my decision has nothing to do with "a couple of conspiracy theorists", my own doctor is not taking thd vaccine ffs..."

ffs where to start with this nonsense

I`ve no idea how many doctors there are on this planet but I`ll guess there are hundreds of thousands of doctors and scientists who are taking the vaccine. Anyway you`re the type of person who`d refuse the vaccine even if your doctor advised you to take it. You always know best.



I'll tell you what you vaccinated aren't half triggered.
You'd think you feel all safe and contented eh?

So if you wear a mask to protect me, why doesn't it protect you?
If you get a vaccine to protect me, why doesn't it protect you?

I await more abuse from you with glee....or...you could just calm down a bit, you're a good citizen, enjoy it.


Utter clown!
Did you hear Nicola Sturgeon's statement yesterday? Anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread misinformation regarding coronavirus are anti-social!
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 17:06

Just as well some .netters werent around in WW2- Please turn off your lights to avoid creating a target that the germans Target to drop bombs on populated areas...


.netters.... This govt will not tell me what to do....wee nippy is not the boss of me.

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Topic Originator: Ladswell_Thistle  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 17:13

Morton asking fans in certain areas of the ground to turn up between 1:45 and 2:15. Late comers will not be admitted 😳



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Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 17:18

'So if you wear a mask to protect me, why doesn't it protect you?
If you get a vaccine to protect me, why doesn't it protect you?'

Well this is just nonsense. The vaccine works the same way ANY vaccine works. Aiding the immune system to create antibodies and defence mechanisms in case of future infection. 2nd or 3rd stage infections are dealt with significantly more aggressively and efficiently than one that has never experienced the pathogen before. That's high school Biology ffs. People getting symptoms after having the vaccine is to be expected as well as post vaccine symptoms are literally caused by the body fighting the innate pathogen and creating these defences.

Beleive what you want about things, but don't talk nonsense.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 17:26

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charlie1, Wed 28 Jul 16:57

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Rastapari, Wed 28 Jul 16:39

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da_no_1, Wed 28 Jul 16:31

"Only there are thousands of doctors and scientists speaking out, my decision has nothing to do with "a couple of conspiracy theorists", my own doctor is not taking thd vaccine ffs..."

ffs where to start with this nonsense

I`ve no idea how many doctors there are on this planet but I`ll guess there are hundreds of thousands of doctors and scientists who are taking the vaccine. Anyway you`re the type of person who`d refuse the vaccine even if your doctor advised you to take it. You always know best.



I'll tell you what you vaccinated aren't half triggered.
You'd think you feel all safe and contented eh?

So if you wear a mask to protect me, why doesn't it protect you?
If you get a vaccine to protect me, why doesn't it protect you?

I await more abuse from you with glee....or...you could just calm down a bit, you're a good citizen, enjoy it.


Utter clown!
Did you hear Nicola Sturgeon's statement yesterday? Anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread misinformation regarding coronavirus are anti-social!


Again why are you so triggered, you're protected, no?
Have all you lot got is abuse?
OK so why does Nicola not talk about any other deaths?
Only covid covid covid.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 17:31

I`m sorry but WTF does "triggered" mean? If, as I suspect, it means that I`m "biting" or something like that, then that just confirms all there is to know about you.....you are the Piers Morgan/Adrian Durham of .net. You post nonsense (probably even you don`t believe half of it) on a daily basis just to get a reaction. What a way to live your life.

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Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 17:41

I don`t know why you are entertaining him in this conversation. Obviously on the wind up

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Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 18:06

Morton taking temperatures before entry on Saturday


I’m sure there will be some people saying:- “you’ll no be pointing that thing at ma heid, your going to shoot some laser chip in and control my thinking”



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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 18:27

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Andrew283, Wed 28 Jul 17:18

That's high school Biology ffs.


Do you honestly think they have studied any science at any level at all? 😂😂😂

If they did then it's certain they didn't get any qualifications in science.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 18:31

The study on cancer and the impact of COVID was published today. Worth a read.
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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 18:45

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da_no_1, Wed 28 Jul 17:31

I`m sorry but WTF does "triggered" mean? If, as I suspect, it means that I`m "biting" or something like that, then that just confirms all there is to know about you.....you are the Piers Morgan/Adrian Durham of .net. You post nonsense (probably even you don`t believe half of it) on a daily basis just to get a reaction. What a way to live your life.


I'm asking why are you do aggressive, because you get a free pass here?
Like I said, calm down.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 28 Jul 22:19

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Rastapari, Wed 28 Jul 18:45

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da_no_1, Wed 28 Jul 17:31

I`m sorry but WTF does "triggered" mean? If, as I suspect, it means that I`m "biting" or something like that, then that just confirms all there is to know about you.....you are the Piers Morgan/Adrian Durham of .net. You post nonsense (probably even you don`t believe half of it) on a daily basis just to get a reaction. What a way to live your life.


I'm asking why are you do aggressive, because you get a free pass here?
Like I said, calm down.


Perfectly calm. Nice threat tho champ.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Thu 29 Jul 00:13

If someone contracts Covid at a football ground and the football club have not taken precautions ,ie must be double vaccination , would the family of said person who contracted Covid at the ground ,be able to hold the football club responsible and take legal action against them .

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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Thu 29 Jul 00:29

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saltonsgonagetu, Thu 29 Jul 00:13

If someone contracts Covid at a football ground and the football club have not taken precautions ,ie must be double vaccination , would the family of said person who contracted Covid at the ground ,be able to hold the football club responsible and take legal action against them .

Not at all ,vaccination is not mandatory ,like walking into a store ,and how can you possibly say the person caught it at a football ground !they could have visited many venues ,such as shops ,cafes
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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Thu 29 Jul 02:00

Smoking has been banned from inside pubs and public inside venues ,surely vaccination will be the same

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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Thu 29 Jul 08:31

What’s happening in Australia these days OzPar?
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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: Bigbeefcake  
Date:   Thu 29 Jul 10:31

Temperature checks are a pointless exercise and are being pulled as a reliable method of covid detection. Just an exercise to look like they`re doing something. Negative test, social distancing and/or mask wearing should be more than enough.

I`ve had both jabs, I don`t understand the contempt shown towards those that are refusing it though.

It's another big beefy bonanza at the beefcake boulevard!!
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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Thu 29 Jul 11:52

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Bigbeefcake, Thu 29 Jul 10:31

Temperature checks are a pointless exercise and are being pulled as a reliable method of covid detection. Just an exercise to look like they`re doing something. Negative test, social distancing and/or mask wearing should be more than enough.

I`ve had both jabs, I don`t understand the contempt shown towards those that are refusing it though.


I would imagine it's the same as the smoking ban , you don't have folk saying I'm still going to smoke in the pub , with the smoking ban ,it's for outside to smoke or don't go to the pub .

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 Re: No Vaccine No Entry
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Thu 29 Jul 13:02

It’s not quite the same. There is no negative nicotine test required to enter a pub – a smoker is perfectly entitled to enter so long as he does not actually smoke within the premises. That would not be the case for an unvaccinated person under a ‘passport’ system.

The local boozer is heading the same way as these other former founding blocks of community: the post office and the church. The old Temperance Movement, once strong enough in Dundee to unseat Winston Churchill no less, never went away; it just bided its time. The Puritans will always be amongst us.

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