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 Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: DRreturns  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 19:52

Absolutely terrible yet again! I’m not expecting us to win tonight however I do expect something.

Ross Graham should not be anywhere near the Scottish championship, surley Gaspuitis has to start!

Dorrans would be better sitting in the house.

The team selection is horrendous.

The board have to move quickly and get Grant out!

I’m here to take over!!
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 19:56

you need to have an early night i think

c'mon the pars
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: helensburghpar  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 19:57

Think it`s going to be a long night.

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 19:57

The gulf in class is humongous regardless of what side we put out.

So getting papped was inevitable.

Didn’t think it would be quite this easy though.
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Toddyrov  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:01

It’s not the loss or even pumping I’m peed off at.

It’s the formation and the players picked in that formation. What are we even trying to do tonight ?

Effe
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:03

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Berry, Fri 13 Aug 19:57

The gulf in class is humongous regardless of what side we put out.

So getting papped was inevitable.

Didn’t think it would be quite this easy though.


the mistake by Dorrans after 2mins sets the tone
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:03

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Toddyrov, Fri 13 Aug 20:01

It’s not the loss or even pumping I’m peed off at.

It’s the formation and the players picked in that formation. What are we even trying to do tonight ?


I'd massively agree with this.

At no point did I expect us to win, or even keep the game close really.

What I wanted was for Peter Grant to show that he had it within him to mix it up depending on the opposition, that he could appreciate when things weren't working and set us up in such a way to counter a team and in turn make our team as good as they could be.



Instead he set us up like that, I can only assume its sheer arrogance, there's little logic behind this lineup.
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:06

This could end up like Alan Stubbs when he was at St. Mirren. The board moved pretty quickly when they realised he was miles off it and look at them now. I really want to be wrong about Grant but I`ve never seen us look so weak defensively and he persists with the same line up. He doesn`t have a clue how to change it.

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:11

Agree Rossf, maybe full time fitba management isn’t for grant….

Can see the Germans being big enough to admit our mistake and replace if it’s not working in a couple of months time.

Just sitting here drenched in my own negativity!
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:11

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RossF, Fri 13 Aug 20:06

This could end up like Alan Stubbs when he was at St. Mirren. The board moved pretty quickly when they realised he was miles off it and look at them now. I really want to be wrong about Grant but I`ve never seen us look so weak defensively and he persists with the same line up. He doesn`t have a clue how to change it.



In the infancy of the current Brentford board they appointed Marius Dijkheusen (Remember him?) from the off things just seemed off and it very clearly wasn't working, having been appointed on the 1st of June he was gone by the end of September having managed 9 games.
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: forever black and white  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:13

Peter the pie piper has not a clue. Have seen many a pumping at ibrox but this is the worst yet.

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: d3monstrate  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:15

Its not even like the defense is bad, its embarrassing. The warning signs were there from the start and they still look like they are just meeting for the first time. Comrie was the most consistent performer last season but being made to look like an idiot with those 2 next to him

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:15

Foster saying on the radio it’s 5-4-1
What exactly are people expecting? Playing a team who were a couple of goals away from playing in the champions league group stages and who were unbeaten last year in the league ?




It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:16

Peter The Pointer can get to Falkirk. Worst manager I’ve ever seen at The Pars. He’s surely got money on this. Utter rodent of a man .
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:16

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Raymie the Legend, Fri 13 Aug 20:15

Foster saying on the radio it’s 5-4-1
What exactly are people expecting? Playing a team who were a couple of goals away from playing in the champions league group stages and who were unbeaten last year in the league ?



It's not a 541 though?
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:18

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Raymie the Legend, Fri 13 Aug 20:15

Foster saying on the radio it’s 5-4-1
What exactly are people expecting? Playing a team who were a couple of goals away from playing in the champions league group stages and who were unbeaten last year in the league ?


exactly raymie, only other person posting tonight with any sense and realism.

what do people expect when loose a goal after 2 mins
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Ladswell_Thistle  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:18

It's the same 343 as every other game.



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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:18

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Grant, Fri 13 Aug 20:16

Quote:

Raymie the Legend, Fri 13 Aug 20:15

Foster saying on the radio it’s 5-4-1
What exactly are people expecting? Playing a team who were a couple of goals away from playing in the champions league group stages and who were unbeaten last year in the league ?



It's not a 541 though?


that's what it's been pushed back into
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:20

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Ladswell_Thistle, Fri 13 Aug 20:18

It's the same 343 as every other game.


apart from it hasn't, it's been 2 playing inbehind todorov moving around of him.
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:20

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Grant, Fri 13 Aug 20:16

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Raymie the Legend, Fri 13 Aug 20:15

Foster saying on the radio it’s 5-4-1
What exactly are people expecting? Playing a team who were a couple of goals away from playing in the champions league group stages and who were unbeaten last year in the league ?



It's not a 541 though?


Enlighten those of us who know fack all about football. What is the formation? Not having a pop in anyway whatsoever.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:21

are we going to offer any ideas of replacements or just stick to complete meltdown ?

c'mon the pars
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:23

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cammypar 1995, Fri 13 Aug 20:21

are we going to offer any ideas of replacements or just stick to complete meltdown ?


just be melt down from the usual suspects
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:24

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da_no_1, Fri 13 Aug 20:20

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Grant, Fri 13 Aug 20:16

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Raymie the Legend, Fri 13 Aug 20:15

Foster saying on the radio it’s 5-4-1
What exactly are people expecting? Playing a team who were a couple of goals away from playing in the champions league group stages and who were unbeaten last year in the league ?



It's not a 541 though?


Enlighten those of us who know fack all about football. What is the formation? Not having a pop in anyway whatsoever.


Don’t know. I was driving home and that’s what foster said. I presume he knows his stuff ?




It's bloody tough being a legend
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:24

Quote:

Raymie the Legend, Fri 13 Aug 20:15

Foster saying on the radio it’s 5-4-1
What exactly are people expecting? Playing a team who were a couple of goals away from playing in the champions league group stages and who were unbeaten last year in the league ?


5-4-1 seriously? If that is the case why are 3 strikers on the pitch instead of 2 midfielders which we have on the bench?

This is a monumental f*** up of a line-up and team confidence is destroyed.

Grant should not manage another game for us.

I can take a defeat. I can even take a hammering but I can't take a suicidal team approach from a manager who is arrogant and totally out of his depth.

Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:27

looks the case. Do i think PG the man im not sure but im not going to judge him on a game against a team that should be skelping a team in the division below and who were 1 game away from European football. I could guarantee it will be the same guff that people will come out with jimmy mac, petrie, darren young etc.....

c'mon the pars
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: hudza  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:28

It’s definitely a 3-4-3

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: d3monstrate  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:28

Might be better if we had 4 in midfield, but there`s at least 2 missing

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: forever black and white  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:28

Total mess , 3 forwards at ibrox. Haha

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:28

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hudza, Fri 13 Aug 20:28

It’s definitely a 3-4-3


so u think Mcdonald is playing right midfield do u ??
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Benny74  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:29

Unfortunately it appears that a mistake was made with his appointment and hopefully they will move to put things right.

Benny74
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:30

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d3monstrate, Fri 13 Aug 20:28

Might be better if we had 4 in midfield, but there`s at least 2 missing


thats the thing people think the system doesn't work as it is, but changing to the prehistoric 4/4/2 still has 2 in the middle of the park!!
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Parfect69  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:30

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Grant, Fri 13 Aug 20:03

Quote:

Toddyrov, Fri 13 Aug 20:01

It’s not the loss or even pumping I’m peed off at.

It’s the formation and the players picked in that formation. What are we even trying to do tonight ?


I'd massively agree with this.

At no point did I expect us to win, or even keep the game close really.

What I wanted was for Peter Grant to show that he had it within him to mix it up depending on the opposition, that he could appreciate when things weren't working and set us up in such a way to counter a team and in turn make our team as good as they could be.



Instead he set us up like that, I can only assume its sheer arrogance, there's little logic behind this lineup.


Absolutely spot on, horses for courses. He set us up the same way he did against Thistle. What did he expect
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: forever black and white  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:30

Everyone going on about the gulf in class . Dundee United beat them

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:31

"It’s definitely a 3-4-3"



Hah! Last few minutes it was definitely 5-5-0...

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:32

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da_no_1, Fri 13 Aug 20:20

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Grant, Fri 13 Aug 20:16

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Raymie the Legend, Fri 13 Aug 20:15

Foster saying on the radio it’s 5-4-1
What exactly are people expecting? Playing a team who were a couple of goals away from playing in the champions league group stages and who were unbeaten last year in the league ?



It's not a 541 though?


Enlighten those of us who know fack all about football. What is the formation? Not having a pop in anyway whatsoever.


If such a formation existed, a 3 (Centre backs) - 2 (Wingbacks) - 2 (Centre midfielders) - 2 (Second strikers effectively, not dropping into midfield to help that battle, there to support the "lone" striker as quickly as possible, with the potential for runs behind the full back) - 1(lone striker)

Calling it a 541 would give the false impression you've got 2 full backs, who then in turn have 2 wide midfielders infront of them. That's not the case at all, O'Hara and Wighton aren't close to Edwards and MacDonald, they are far, far, far closer to Todorov.

A 343 is about the closest conventional formation you'd compare it too. You could maybe call it a 523, but you normally call it that when the wing backs sit back a bit more, with the wide midfielders sitting high and wide, which isn't what's happening here.

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: hudza  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:32

He’s playing wing back. So a 5-2-3 when pinned back then I suppose. Whatever the formation, it’s an absolute shambles like it was vs Partick

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:35

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hudza, Fri 13 Aug 20:32

He’s playing wing back. So a 5-2-3 when pinned back then I suppose. Whatever the formation, it’s an absolute shambles like it was vs Partick


but u said it was 3/4/3 now u don't know lol
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:41

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Grant, Fri 13 Aug 20:32

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da_no_1, Fri 13 Aug 20:20

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Grant, Fri 13 Aug 20:16

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Raymie the Legend, Fri 13 Aug 20:15

Foster saying on the radio it’s 5-4-1
What exactly are people expecting? Playing a team who were a couple of goals away from playing in the champions league group stages and who were unbeaten last year in the league ?



It's not a 541 though?


Enlighten those of us who know fack all about football. What is the formation? Not having a pop in anyway whatsoever.


If such a formation existed, a 3 (Centre backs) - 2 (Wingbacks) - 2 (Centre midfielders) - 2 (Second strikers effectively, not dropping into midfield to help that battle, there to support the "lone" striker as quickly as possible, with the potential for runs behind the full back) - 1(lone striker)

Calling it a 541 would give the false impression you've got 2 full backs, who then in turn have 2 wide midfielders infront of them. That's not the case at all, O'Hara and Wighton aren't close to Edwards and MacDonald, they are far, far, far closer to Todorov.

A 343 is about the closest conventional formation you'd compare it too. You could maybe call it a 523, but you normally call it that when the wing backs sit back a bit more, with the wide midfielders sitting high and wide, which isn't what's happening here.


Cheers.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: hudza  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:42

Don’t think anyone knows including the players. As mentioned above it’s between a 343 and 523, whatever it is it isn’t working. To set up like this heading to Ibrox after that shambles last week was suicide

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Toddyrov  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:44

My eyes see 532, is it just me

Effe
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: wulliepar57  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 20:54

You might be right
5 up front , 3 in midfield and 2 at the back LOL

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 21:02

He'll not get sacked because of a heavy defeat at Ibrox. However if we get a doing next Friday......

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 21:04

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da_no_1, Fri 13 Aug 21:02

He'll not get sacked because of a heavy defeat at Ibrox. However if we get a doing next Friday......


how many from here posting tonight will be going next Friday I wonder.....
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: DBA  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 21:23

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PARS207, Fri 13 Aug 21:04

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da_no_1, Fri 13 Aug 21:02

He'll not get sacked because of a heavy defeat at Ibrox. However if we get a doing next Friday......


how many from here posting tonight will be going next Friday I wonder.....


Can anyone name a worse 90 mins from a Pars team than tonight?
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 21:24

Aye, last Saturday against Thistle.

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: the saline hill puma  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 21:25

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DBA, Fri 13 Aug 21:23

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PARS207, Fri 13 Aug 21:04

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da_no_1, Fri 13 Aug 21:02

He'll not get sacked because of a heavy defeat at Ibrox. However if we get a doing next Friday......


how many from here posting tonight will be going next Friday I wonder.....


Can anyone name a worse 90 mins from a Pars team than tonight?


8-1 home v celtic
Hamilton pumping us at eep
Rovers last season....
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Angus_W  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 21:26

I’m going on Friday…………..

FFS - So we get beat heavily of the OF - Not like that hasn’t happened before.

I’ll be there supporting my team.

“.........your on mute Jordan” 😀
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 21:29

We’ll get destroyed at Starks park . Peter the pointer will hopefully be away after then . We’ll will almost certainly be going down with that useless charlatan in charge. Reminds me of that awful Falkirk side a few seasons ago .
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: AJ27  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 21:30

You can’t have been watching us for long - I’ve seen several performances at Ibrox alone which would equal it - a 7 nil defeat comes to mind.

Dundee lost 6 nil at Parkhead last week with Celtic having 32 shots - I don’t think that will have any bearing at all on their next appearance.

Roll on next Friday.

Andy J
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: theparsman1885  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 21:30

It was a 5-2-3 he was playing.

Yup. 5-2-3. Don’t be surprised that Richard Foster is talking thru his hoop.

But tell you this, the naivety that is throughout that team is absolutely shocking.

Grant out. I’m sorry, but after Saturday to still be playing that formation and some of those personnel is just arrogance and stupidity. Shameful stuff.

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 21:42

His tactics will see us concede over 3 goals a game. His signings have been shockingly bad. Dorrans was finished years ago . We give him a 2 year deal . Use the ibrox money to pay him off. This needs pulled immediately
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 21:44

And that was mostly their second choice team
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 21:58

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DBA, Fri 13 Aug 21:23

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PARS207, Fri 13 Aug 21:04

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da_no_1, Fri 13 Aug 21:02

He'll not get sacked because of a heavy defeat at Ibrox. However if we get a doing next Friday......


how many from here posting tonight will be going next Friday I wonder.....


Can anyone name a worse 90 mins from a Pars team than tonight?


There's loads mate.

5 1 Hamilton
Pumping off Cowden in the play offs
6 0 against Rangers last time
As mentioned the 8 1 off Celtic
7 2 off Rangers was probably worse
Hafnafjordur at McDairmid
7 1 at Tynecastle (although that could have been about 11 4 and was a good game)

Probably loads I've missed

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 22:00

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DBA, Fri 13 Aug 21:23

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PARS207, Fri 13 Aug 21:04

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da_no_1, Fri 13 Aug 21:02

He'll not get sacked because of a heavy defeat at Ibrox. However if we get a doing next Friday......


how many from here posting tonight will be going next Friday I wonder.....


Can anyone name a worse 90 mins from a Pars team than tonight?


Don't be stupid FFS

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 22:03

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da_no_1, Fri 13 Aug 22:00

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DBA, Fri 13 Aug 21:23

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PARS207, Fri 13 Aug 21:04

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da_no_1, Fri 13 Aug 21:02

He'll not get sacked because of a heavy defeat at Ibrox. However if we get a doing next Friday......


how many from here posting tonight will be going next Friday I wonder.....


Can anyone name a worse 90 mins from a Pars team than tonight?


Don't be stupid FFS


I don't think I have seen a worse set up than tonight.
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 22:05

He came out saying we are going for the league this season, said it multiple times in interviews, it only raises the expectations and leads you to a bigger fall if it doesn’t work out.

Outclassed by Thistle, battered early by Morton and a pathetic performance against Rangers.

Think fans are justified to be a little miffed off at the moment.

I’ll still back Grant, still early but he doesn’t have much time to put this right and I worry for him if things don’t improve next Friday.
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 22:05

Well we got what I and any sane person expected. Humped by a vastly superior team. Actually I expected worse.
Coming on here afterwards cheered me up though. Haven't laughed so much for ages. What a shower of numpties.

Next week won't be funny though. We need to win that one.

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 22:05

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DRreturns, Fri 13 Aug 19:52

Absolutely terrible yet again! I’m not expecting us to win tonight however I do expect something.

Ross Graham should not be anywhere near the Scottish championship, surley Gaspuitis has to start!

Dorrans would be better sitting in the house.

The team selection is horrendous.

The board have to move quickly and get Grant out!


🤣🤣🤣🤣 if you thought tonight was going to be anything other than a humping then you either know zilch about football or your stark raving mad 🤡🤡🤡

Come on ye pars ⚽️
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 22:06

Peter is really bringing the standard of Grant down, fs.
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 22:07

What’s coming across to Pars fans is a stubbornness, a stiff-necked pride from Grant who is refusing to admit his system is not working. He sent out a team tonight that pretty much everyone here thought was diabolical before a ball was kicked. It was as if he had not seen the two previous games when the defence was porous (first half v Morton) and Partick (the entire game.) Yet Grant’s response was to go to Ibrox and play one more attacker than he did against Partick. It defies rational belief.

It took Graham 86 minutes to put in a proper tackle and that was in midfield, the kind of rattler that should have been put in during the opening exchanges. I felt sorry for our full backs (wing backs?) who were facing overloads from Rangers the entire game. And Comrie, one of the best attacking full backs in last year’s Championship, is being deployed as a centre back in a system no one seems to understand bar Peter Grant himself.

Sack Grant? No, but in employment terms he should be issued with a written warning on the basis of what he put out on the park tonight.

sammer
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 22:11

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sammer, Fri 13 Aug 22:07

What’s coming across to Pars fans is a stubbornness, a stiff-necked pride from Grant who is refusing to admit his system is not working. He sent out a team tonight that pretty much everyone here thought was diabolical before a ball was kicked. It was as if he had not seen the two previous games when the defence was porous (first half v Morton) and Partick (the entire game.) Yet Grant’s response was to go to Ibrox and play one more attacker than he did against Partick. It defies rational belief.

It took Graham 86 minutes to put in a proper tackle and that was in midfield, the kind of rattler that should have been put in during the opening exchanges. I felt sorry for our full backs (wing backs?) who were facing overloads from Rangers the entire game. And Comrie, one of the best attacking full backs in last year’s Championship, is being deployed as a centre back in a system no one seems to understand bar Peter Grant himself.

Sack Grant? No, but in employment terms he should be issued with a written warning on the basis of what he put out on the park tonight.




Very eloquently put Sammer and sums up my feelings better than I could have written them down.
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 22:17

He will have loads of time, new owners arnt going to admit the only decision they have made is wrong.
I don't think for 1 minute PG is not going to get at least this season to sort things out.
As a Dunfermline fan I will back him until the board says otherwise. There is a making of a decent team there, its a waiting game until they start playing the way we want.

We can't shout manager out every time we get a few bad results

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Topic Originator: Kaiser  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 22:22

Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Fri 13 Aug 22:05

Well we got what I and any sane person expected. Humped by a vastly superior team. Actually I expected worse.
Coming on here afterwards cheered me up though. Haven`t laughed so much for ages. What a shower of numpties.

I’m sure Mr Grant said in his interview he wants to entertain the fans. Well he’s certainly doing what he promised. In fact everyone in Scottish Football is laughing at us.

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Topic Originator: SCPar  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 22:35

But remember, he interviewed really well......

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Topic Originator: Ladswell_Thistle  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 22:36

At least he apologised to the fans in his post match interview.



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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: theparsman1885  
Date:   Fri 13 Aug 23:55

See da_no_1 and Parrott are coming across their usual selves on this thread. Nothing to contribute but insults and tripe.

They’ll be happy with the fayre served by the team the now lapping it up like wee contented kittens. They are the equivalent of the musicians playing on the Titanic on this forum.

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Topic Originator: hudza  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 00:06

He needs a result next week. Needs to get back to basics as if we set up how we have for the past 2 games, the away stand will be toxic if we get another pumping.

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 Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 00:21

Fans are kidding themselves PG will lose his Job if we lose to rovers next week. We could lose 6 nil next week and I can all but guarantee PG will still be manager on Monday.
3 weeks ago everyone was looking forward to the season under Grant. I know performances have been poor but they will get better.
A point at Cappilow would normally be acceptable , last week against PT was poor and we always lose at Ibrox.

We all feel it when we lose but it's going to be a hard season, try and get behind the team guys

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 00:33

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theparsman1885, Fri 13 Aug 23:55

See da_no_1 and Parrott are coming across their usual selves on this thread. Nothing to contribute but insults and tripe.

They’ll be happy with the fayre served by the team the now lapping it up like wee contented kittens. They are the equivalent of the musicians playing on the Titanic on this forum.


Tell me where I've insulted someone tonight? And tell me where I've said I'm happy with our current situation while you're at it.

I'm waiting.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 00:38

I’ll always get behind the team. It’s just unfortunate it is being spearheaded by this absolute clown. We have players at this club that should be doing well, but PG is hell-bent on playing them in some sort of formation that determines midfielders aren’t necessary and just let the opposition hammer us. Warning signed were there against Morton. Drastic turn in fortunes required as he has lost the fans already.

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: YankeeDollar  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 00:47

He`s out his depths at EEP

Trying to follow the footsteps of former managers wh had success?

If he fcuks it up next Friday? He`ll be gone, and stay gone.

Plenty of time for our German custodians to realise PG was a mistake.

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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 00:55

According to posters on dot net (not you yankee)
Alan johnston...out his depth
Stevie Craw.....out his depth
Peter Grant....out his Depth after half a dozen games.
We can't keep getting rid

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: theparsman1885  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 01:02

Topic Originator: da_no_1 like | nolike
Date: Sat 14 Aug 00:33

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theparsman1885, Fri 13 Aug 23:55

See da_no_1 and Parrott are coming across their usual selves on this thread. Nothing to contribute but insults and tripe.

They’ll be happy with the fayre served by the team the now lapping it up like wee contented kittens. They are the equivalent of the musicians playing on the Titanic on this forum.


Tell me where I`ve insulted someone tonight? And tell me where I`ve said I`m happy with our current situation while you`re at it.

I`m waiting.




How about this from just 2 hours earlier in the thread…?





Topic Originator: da_no_1 - 3
Date: Fri 13 Aug 22:00

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DBA, Fri 13 Aug 21:23

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PARS207, Fri 13 Aug 21:04

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da_no_1, Fri 13 Aug 21:02

He`ll not get sacked because of a heavy defeat at Ibrox. However if we get a doing next Friday......


how many from here posting tonight will be going next Friday I wonder.....


Can anyone name a worse 90 mins from a Pars team than tonight?


Don`t be stupid FFS




Da_no_1,
There’s your insult. Really wasn’t difficult. No longer engaging with you because clearly, you’re not very bright coming away with nonsense like that.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 01:11

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theparsman1885, Sat 14 Aug 01:02

Topic Originator: da_no_1 like | nolike
Date: Sat 14 Aug 00:33

Quote:

theparsman1885, Fri 13 Aug 23:55

See da_no_1 and Parrott are coming across their usual selves on this thread. Nothing to contribute but insults and tripe.

They’ll be happy with the fayre served by the team the now lapping it up like wee contented kittens. They are the equivalent of the musicians playing on the Titanic on this forum.


Tell me where I`ve insulted someone tonight? And tell me where I`ve said I`m happy with our current situation while you`re at it.

I`m waiting.




How about this from just 2 hours earlier in the thread…?





Topic Originator: da_no_1 - 3
Date: Fri 13 Aug 22:00

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DBA, Fri 13 Aug 21:23

Quote:

PARS207, Fri 13 Aug 21:04

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da_no_1, Fri 13 Aug 21:02

He`ll not get sacked because of a heavy defeat at Ibrox. However if we get a doing next Friday......


how many from here posting tonight will be going next Friday I wonder.....


Can anyone name a worse 90 mins from a Pars team than tonight?


Don`t be stupid FFS




Da_no_1,
There’s your insult. Really wasn’t difficult. No longer engaging with you because clearly, you’re not very bright coming away with nonsense like that.


FFS come on mate. The guy claimed that was our worst ever 90 mins. Like in our history. IMO that was a pretty stupid thing to say. I've been criticized on here in the past for being a lot of things including a happy Clapper and of being insulting. I've been called a lot of pretty bad things. Not that I give a fk but you pick up on me calling someone stupid then you say I'm not very bright? However if people post nonsense like that I try to bite my tongue but sometimes i can't. However I don't see how I've resorted to "insults and tripe" tonight.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: theparsman1885  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 01:26

Breaking my own rule of not engaging with you, but how can you not see that saying “FFS don’t be stupid” isn’t an insult - regardless of what was said? You and a select small band of posters are killing this forum with your base commentary and spam. And this is you “biting your tongue”? I wouldn’t bother, just go for it. Good night.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 01:29

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theparsman1885, Sat 14 Aug 01:26

Breaking my own rule of not engaging with you, but how can you not see that saying “FFS don’t be stupid” isn’t an insult - regardless of what was said? You and a select small band of posters are killing this forum with your base commentary and spam. And this is you “biting your tongue”? I wouldn’t bother, just go for it. Good night.


Do you agree with his statement? Do you think it's a sensible post? I don't. I think it's a stupid thing to say and I stand by it. Good night

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Kessel  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 01:41

A guy that never even applied for the job taking us down the bog...
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 04:11

Well if you get upset at someone calling folk numpties for being daft maybe you are a wee bit too sensitive for a football forum.
As far as not contributing, perhaps you missed the second part of my post stating that we need to beat Raith next week.

Anyone calling for the sacking of a manager of a Championship team that has literally just been put together and been defeated by a side that will destroy most Premiership sides this season is a numpty.

Ps, the irony of anyone coming on a form to insult someone for insulting others just gave me another good guffaw.

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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 04:20

Good grief...

Numpties and "FFs don`t be stupid" are now comments worthy of a sound thrashing.

Complaints about insults followed by what were actually far worse insults by the complainer (timid, but worse than what you were moaning about)

I`m not going to engage with you anymore because you are obviously an over-sensitive hypocrite.

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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 04:24

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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 04:25

Mmmpppffff pfffff ggggnnnnhhhmmmmmppppfffffttttt!

(canny get it out for laughing).

Away an have a sit doon.

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 07:16

I said on another thread that I would give him until the end of September. That would give him around 6 weeks to get the team playing well. If we are still losing badly then using the money from Ibrox let him go.

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: delboi  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 07:35

Its the BOARD thats at fault yet again.they appointed grant, when are the actualy going to make a decent decision. They have no ambition of taking us forward.soon kelty will be singing the wee team song to us thats how embarresing its getting.

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: LEGEND85  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 07:46

So I was at the game last night and on the way through when the team was announced I thought oh christ here we go.

One minute into the game and we give a terrible goal away.

The first half Rangers could have scored almost at will if they really wanted it.

Second half again thankfully Rangers took the foot of the gas otherwise it could have been a silly scoreline.

I'm reading quite a few posts that it was inevitable that we would lose by 5-0 or 6-0 and maybe that would have been the case but my god did we invite that result last night.

We've got a new manager and the previous 2 games we have been awful so where is the reaction to those performances. Did we roll up our sleeves last night and show any sort of pride any sort of fight for me we didn't and that's infront of a new manager.

He needs to pick on Friday a team with character that understands we are in a poor position roll the sleeves up and fight for every ball and most importantly get 3 points.

I'm not saying Grant out but the last 3 games have been dire and I couldn't give a toss about who we are playing.
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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 08:12

Double edged sword getting drawn against them...

Plus side: we will get some much needed funds

Down side: we were always going to get pumped by the best team in the country, lots of people were always going to (IMHO) overeact and start calling for players and / or managers heads and yet again, the fans would be divided

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Alan  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 08:13

Lost faith in this guy already. Some of his signings are very poor. Think he`s forgotten that he`s not at Alloa now and signing players like Pybus, Graham, Memhet, but to name a few others, are not of the quality required at this club, if we have genuine aspirations of getting promotion. I seem to recall when he signed Memhet he said something like "It`s good that we now have 2 quality keepers fighting for the no 1 position". Find it unbelievable that we signed this guy on a 2 year deal. Just wonder what the investors are thinking this morning after watching the Partick game and the performance at Ibrox. Grant seems to have waffled his way into the job and if we have more bad results and performances in the coming weeks it will be interesting to see if they have the balls to hold their hands up, admit the appointment was wrong and make a change before another season is written off.

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Topic Originator: Foghorn Leghorn  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 08:32

Considering dismissing the manager this early doesn’t sit well with me. I had him down my list of options and would have gone with Hughes personally, however, what’s done is done. I’m also sure our new custodians, immersed in the ethos of community spirit and inclusiveness wouldn’t consider a change either.
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Topic Originator: Vamos Pars  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 08:43

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Alan, Sat 14 Aug 08:13

Lost faith in this guy already. Some of his signings are very poor. Think he`s forgotten that he`s not at Alloa now and signing players like Pybus, Graham, Memhet, but to name a few others, are not of the quality required at this club, if we have genuine aspirations of getting promotion. I seem to recall when he signed Memhet he said something like "It`s good that we now have 2 quality keepers fighting for the no 1 position". Find it unbelievable that we signed this guy on a 2 year deal. Just wonder what the investors are thinking this morning after watching the Partick game and the performance at Ibrox. Grant seems to have waffled his way into the job and if we have more bad results and performances in the coming weeks it will be interesting to see if they have the balls to hold their hands up, admit the appointment was wrong and make a change before another season is written off.


Spot on.
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 09:00

I think most thought that it would be a few against, but it wouldve been nice to make The Rangers get out of 1st gear. After the first goal went in, any game plan we had went out the window and it all got a bit desperate.

Rangers weren`t even that good, the under-11s style defending of just trying to crowd them out allowed them to do the fancy flicks and quick one touch football that is bread and butter for a modern day professional team

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Benny74  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 10:00

I think this situation is a wee bit different than the usual dotnet moans which happen no matter who is manager. I hadn`t seen Alloa last season apart from playing against us and they did play good football at times. I didn`t like the fact that loads of people wrote him off purely because Alloa were relegated. Unfortunately I still we might play some good football in a few games this season but we certainly will not finish anywhere near the playoffs. This isn`t about getting beat 5-0 at Ibrox for me (I was at the 5-0 Hampden semi in 1989 and the 7-1 at Tynecastle which I don`t remember as a good game!). The Partick game was that type of performance where you realise something as wrong and when the system didn`t work it wasn`t changed. To then rock up at Ibrox playing the same system, lose an early goal and still not change it is football suicide. It doesn`t look like the players are buying into it unfortunately and you can`t blame them for that. I think the German owners are pretty clued up and certainly Meggle is on the football side and if you make a mistake you put it right quickly, as should have happened with last night`s formation. The Raith game is very important for me but rather than the result I will be waiting to see how PG sets us up.

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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 10:09

I like the system actually but the truth is, we simply don't have the quality of players to play it.
To play this system, it requires 100% concentration and ball retention is a must.
We don't have good enough defenders or midfielders to make it work apart from vs smaller teams.
For Grant to even attempt this at Ibrox was baffling to say the least.
I think he will lose the dressing room soon.

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Topic Originator: dd23  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 10:36

The way we played last night it looks like he already has lost them. Not being flippant here, I genuinely thought that as I was watching it.
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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 10:37

Genuine question on this ok.

Say he went, and someone else came in, with the connections from the new owners, wants to play the same system, results don`t improve, how long do you give the new manager then? Or is it a case of need give that manager some time to settle etc?

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 11:02

Good question 207, I have always been one to give managers, players and even the board time to get things right( or known locally as a happy clapper)
Younger (or not so young now) pars fans only remember Dunfermline battling it out a top of championship or for a couple of seasons European places. The latter ending up putting us into administration.
The new owners are here to build something special, that will take time. PG will be going nowhere in a hurry

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Topic Originator: LEGEND85  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 11:11

The Rovers game is going to be massive in so many ways.

We will take a large away support and because it's the first away game in the league and a Derby the fans will get behind the team.

But if we are served up another poor performance then I'm afraid the owners, management team and players will know all about it.

I really hope that doesn't happen and we get the performance and result
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 11:19

Maybe PG is the type of guy who has a certain philosophy of playing the game and won`t budge from that. Maybe that`s why Alloa ended up going down, he kept playing nice patterns in midfield despite the fact they needed to toughen up and change the style of play.

Anyway, time will tell and we`ll be able to see that for ourselves.
I was pro Grant but even this early I`m starting to ask questions. Early doors still but I`ve got a strange feeling in ma water.

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Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 11:21

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LEGEND85, Sat 14 Aug 11:11

The Rovers game is going to be massive in so many ways.

We will take a large away support and because it's the first away game in the league and a Derby the fans will get behind the team.

But if we are served up another poor performance then I'm afraid the owners, management team and players will know all about it.

I really hope that doesn't happen and we get the performance and result


spot on, know the game is on TV but really vital we take a big support thru and get behind the boys.
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Topic Originator: Parallel Lines  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 12:12

Has he gone yet

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Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 12:21

"I really hope that doesn`t happen and we get the performance and result"

and all that happens then is delaying the inevitable, the damage is done if it wasnt before he was even appointed pretty much the same as when Crawford got the job.

sacking him is the easy option but it does not guarantee things will get better.

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Topic Originator: summeragent  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 12:49

I thought Peter Grant might just suprise us and during the betfried cup things were looking good.

Partick thistle was an embarrassment. Mehmet a bomb scare, Graham just awful! Dorans clearly not match ready yet. If we had lost 6 we could not have complained!

Terrible against Rangers we went into the game accepting we were beaten with no fight, unable to retain possession, constant errors. I can imagine if a team like Morton had been playing Rangers they would have defended like their lives depended on it!

Now I’m worried about our trip to Elgin in the challenge cup!

I really hope Peter Grant sorts things out and we get back to winning ways.

I do think we continue to appoint managers/ players with a championship mentality/ quality.
If you look at teams that have been promoted recently - Hearts, Dun Utd, Dundee have all bought good quality premier league level players.

Maybe we just don’t have the budget or the board are more businessmen than football club minded.

It’s a total nightmare for us long suffering Pars fans but let’s get behind the team and hope things improve starting on Friday against Raith.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 13:32

Have to be honest, I find calls for Peter Grant's head to be really embarrassing this early on. Things might not pan out well but people deserve time in a job to make things happen. Two league games and an away league cup against the champions? Is that the benchmark now?

I know I've made this point several times but well worth remembering the start that Bert Paton (my all time favourite Pars era) had.
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Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 13:36

Agree Rusty, but as who ever was gonna get the managers job never stood a chance with the majority on here it would seem.

Which is why i asked above if a change was to happen, how long would the next guy get or would he get a longer time as it suited certain fans view more.

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Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 13:54

I was in the "give him a chance camp " but it is becoming increasingly worrying even in games which we allegedly played well and won we still shipped goals of the same ilk ie high balls into the box , neither keeper seems to be able to deal with these and we don,t have defenders that take charge of these situations yet Grant seems to be happy with this , we have options in this department yet he sticks with the same setup , this may just be his downfall.

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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 14:23

Why would he be happy with it?
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Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 15:14

I think people are entitled to voice how they feel. At the end of the day they are putting money into the club. I do think however the new owners will give PG a season to see if things improve. I do not envy his job.
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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 15:19

It's not terminal yet. A change of formation, or even a sign that the 343 can work against full time teams (maybe a change of personal?) and a win this weekend and things will look much better. We've got one of the better squads in the league, still a bit light at cdm, but we can make that work.

Put us out the same way that didn't work against St Mirren, Morton, Partick or Rangers though and we get skelped... I could see it getting pretty poisonous. Fans will just see an arrogant bloke who can't admit when he's wrong and change it.
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Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 15:31

OMG, agreing with Grant ;o)) LOL

If I`m wrong there is no point discussing/arguing about it, you can`t win.
anyway, I don`t have the time to argue I`m afraid :o)

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Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 15:52

A 433/451 or a 4411 could work .
The back 3 last night were spread across the pitch . Ross Graham was in the left back position when on the ball which is fine if you dominate possession and have class all over the park . We are unable to makes 3 consecutive passes so it’s a ridiculous tactic to use with regards to players we have .
We have moved our best best defender from RB to RCB because Chelsea done it with success with Cesar Azpuculata . Peter Grant needs to get real. It’s like he is watching EPL / champions league football and think that it’s just as easy. Again we have professional football players that cannot keep the ball .
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 18:24

It doesn’t really matter what formation you play. The important thing is that you have the players to play that formation.




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Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 18:25

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Raymie the Legend, Sat 14 Aug 18:24

It doesn’t really matter what formation you play. The important thing is that you have the players to play that formation.


shame most of our support don't understand that
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 18:27

The formation and gameplan all goes to ratsh1t if you give a soft goal away after 2 minutes against the best team in the country

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Topic Originator: Malcolm Canmore  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 18:35

“We have moved our best best defender from RB to RCB because Chelsea done it with success with Cesar Azpuculata”

How on Earth do you know what prompted PG to adopt that formation?

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Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 18:36

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da_no_1, Sat 14 Aug 18:27

The formation and gameplan all goes to ratsh1t if you give a soft goal away after 2 minutes against the best team in the country


exactly but course we have so many experts on here that will tell u otherwise
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Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 18:38

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Malcolm Canmore, Sat 14 Aug 18:35

“We have moved our best best defender from RB to RCB because Chelsea done it with success with Cesar Azpuculata”

How on Earth do you know what prompted PG to adopt that formation?


Not just that Chelsea doing it, other teams play like that too but its the modern way that's come into fashion it seems.
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Topic Originator: Parsweep  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 18:45

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PARS207, Sat 14 Aug 18:25

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Raymie the Legend, Sat 14 Aug 18:24

It doesn’t really matter what formation you play. The important thing is that you have the players to play that formation.


shame most of our support don't understand that


Most of the supporters do understand it , it's a shame our manager doesn't !

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Topic Originator: king lad  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 18:52

Imo we looked far more structured when we went to the 4 at the back and the two wingers in front of the fullbacks made it trickier for their wide players to get space. As much as rangers eased off a bit, they didn't get the openings they had throughout the first half.

I also think Macdonald, Watson, Comrie and Graham have no idea where they're meant to be in the system that Grant wants to play, so I'm not sure how you can continue to force it in these important games. Dorrans and Pybus posed no presence in the middle, just massive issues trying to force it when we don't have the players
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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 19:19

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Raymie the Legend, Sat 14 Aug 18:24

It doesn’t really matter what formation you play. The important thing is that you have the players to play that formation.



.....


In this instance we don't have the players to play this formation, hence why it's important.

And even then, formations are important.


Should we just line up with 10 right midfielders? Playing a new fangled formation, or would the lack of players on the right and centre be a problem?

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Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 19:24

I agree that we don’t have the players to play this system . Perhaps the Germans have a style and philosophy of football that they want us to play long term and this is the initial building blocks .

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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 19:41

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Grant, Sat 14 Aug 19:19

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Raymie the Legend, Sat 14 Aug 18:24

It doesn’t really matter what formation you play. The important thing is that you have the players to play that formation.



.....


In this instance we don't have the players to play this formation, hence why it's important.

And even then, formations are important.


Should we just line up with 10 right midfielders? Playing a new fangled formation, or would the lack of players on the right and centre be a problem?

Post Edited (Sat 14 Aug 19:26)


Come on, Grant. You know what I mean




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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 19:57

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Raymie the Legend, Sat 14 Aug 19:41

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Grant, Sat 14 Aug 19:19

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Raymie the Legend, Sat 14 Aug 18:24

It doesn’t really matter what formation you play. The important thing is that you have the players to play that formation.



.....


In this instance we don't have the players to play this formation, hence why it's important.

And even then, formations are important.


Should we just line up with 10 right midfielders? Playing a new fangled formation, or would the lack of players on the right and centre be a problem?

Post Edited (Sat 14 Aug 19:26)


Come on, Grant. You know what I mean



Hand on heart I'm not too sure mate, formations do matter surely?


Apologies for the hyperbole with regards to the 10 right mids suggestion.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 20:03

Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend like | nolike
Date: Sat 14 Aug 18:24

It doesn’t really matter what formation you play. The important thing is that you have the players to play that formation.


Raymie nails it

I watched our so called defence against Rangers and they were all over the place

sometimes it was a back 2 or 3 then 4 with no one knowing what to do There was no discipline or leadership to keep the defensive formation .. whatever it was meant to be

It was a bit like watching a game in the playground where every body follows the ball

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Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 20:55

At the end of the day as PG says there are only 11 players on the park. You can only play as well as other teams let you. Both team are FT so fitness levels should be the same. At some level you need to have the confidence to make it a competitive game. If you can't lift your game to play against the bigger clubs, you need to be asking yourself if you want to playing for a club who has ambitions to be playing at that level week in week out. Talk is cheap, its about performances at the end of the day.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 21:26

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Raymie the Legend, Sat 14 Aug 19:41

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Grant, Sat 14 Aug 19:19

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Raymie the Legend, Sat 14 Aug 18:24

It doesn’t really matter what formation you play. The important thing is that you have the players to play that formation.



.....


In this instance we don't have the players to play this formation, hence why it's important.

And even then, formations are important.


Should we just line up with 10 right midfielders? Playing a new fangled formation, or would the lack of players on the right and centre be a problem?

Post Edited (Sat 14 Aug 19:26)


Come on, Grant. You know what I mean


Consider the teams that won the major honours last season - Man City, Chelsea, Atletico Madrid, Bayern Munich, Inter Milan, Ajax and Rangers.

They all tend to play in various formations. That’s not stopped them from being successful. It’s about assessing your squad and figuring out how best to utilise them or, you decide you want to play a certain way and then bring in players that are suited to that style

I like 3-4-3, but for me that means you need three really good defenders that have pace and can also play.
We don’t have the personnel to play that way, IMO




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Topic Originator: thenatural  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 21:35

For a bit of perspective, check out our record at Ibrox in 02/03 and 03/04 seasons. Results not that different under a manager hailed for his tactical acumen and with the most highly remunerated squad in our history at his disposal.
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Topic Originator: StuPar82  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 22:17

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Indiapar, Sat 14 Aug 20:55

At the end of the day as PG says there are only 11 players on the park. You can only play as well as other teams let you. Both team are FT so fitness levels should be the same. At some level you need to have the confidence to make it a competitive game. If you can't lift your game to play against the bigger clubs, you need to be asking yourself if you want to playing for a club who has ambitions to be playing at that level week in week out. Talk is cheap, its about performances at the end of the day.


The crux of the matter here is where do you draw the line between the players not bringing their A-game and the team being set up to be on a hiding to nothing.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 22:49

Rangers result doesn't worry me too much but a draw against Morton and thumping from Partick does. We should be beating both those teams with the players we have.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Sat 14 Aug 23:46

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Raymie the Legend, Sat 14 Aug 18:24

It doesn’t really matter what formation you play. The important thing is that you have the players to play that formation.


Never thought you were so naive Raymie as I like your posts. Grant is a disasterous appointment for Dunfermline.
All talk and no action.
Arrogant in the extreme in his belief in the system and it will fail.
Our professional players already know this.

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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sun 15 Aug 05:20

Thanks, AAPS, but I refer you to my post a few up




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Topic Originator: Kessel  
Date:   Sun 15 Aug 09:47

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thenatural, Sat 14 Aug 21:35

For a bit of perspective, check out our record at Ibrox in 02/03 and 03/04 seasons. Results not that different under a manager hailed for his tactical acumen and with the most highly remunerated squad in our history at his disposal.


Comparing Peter Grant with Jimmy Calderwood. Put the bottle down mate.
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Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Sun 15 Aug 10:09

At least we`ve carved out chances in those games. A few Rangers fans I`ve spoken to said we were one of the worst teams they`ve seen at Ibrox. The 5-0 defeat doesn`t bother me but the performance of this game and the last two do. It`s clear as day the system we`re trying to play doesn`t work. Square pegs in round holes. Gasputis is a much better player than Ross Graham and Comrie has to go back to right back. We would look much better with Thomas, Dow or Kennedy on the wings - all players capable of beating their men and exciting fans. We have a squad capable of competing this season but a manger who is hell bent on playing a system that doesn`t work.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 15 Aug 10:12

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Kessel, Sun 15 Aug 09:47

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thenatural, Sat 14 Aug 21:35

For a bit of perspective, check out our record at Ibrox in 02/03 and 03/04 seasons. Results not that different under a manager hailed for his tactical acumen and with the most highly remunerated squad in our history at his disposal.


Comparing Peter Grant with Jimmy Calderwood. Put the bottle down mate.


Perfectly valid comparison. The point is even supposedly good managers can get a doing at Ibrox. Not really any need to suggest the poster has an alcohol problem

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Topic Originator: thenatural  
Date:   Sun 15 Aug 10:43

I’d certainly had a refreshing afternoon :) but the point still stands. Even when we were both in the same division, when both teams were crazily financially boosted given their respective sizes, results weren’t that different. There are certainly question marks about Grant after the first two league games but I’m not reading too much into Friday’s game.
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Topic Originator: Kessel  
Date:   Sun 15 Aug 10:53

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Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Sun 15 Aug 11:13

I think he’ll change it to a 4-4-2 for Friday night, otherwise why did we set up like that 2nd half at ibrox if we aren’t going to use it going forward? We need to play to the strengths of comrie, dow, Thomas etc by playing them in their natural positions

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Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Sun 15 Aug 11:32

Surely he needs to revert to playing players in their natural positions where they are comfortable an sorting out central defence is a priority for Friday or it will be another embarrassment

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Topic Originator: Steve mcgregor  
Date:   Sun 15 Aug 12:12

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thenatural, Sat 14 Aug 21:35

For a bit of perspective, check out our record at Ibrox in 02/03 and 03/04 seasons. Results not that different under a manager hailed for his tactical acumen and with the most highly remunerated squad in our history at his disposal.


Finally, someone with a bit of sense. How many times have we went to Ibrox over the years and got a result. Very rarely. More often we get humped. So to jump on here and start berating the manager or the players is a joke. If your a fan you support ALL aspect of the club even when we get a bad result.
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85  
Date:   Sun 15 Aug 12:25

The problem isn't the result it's the performance.

The performance on Friday was terrible as it was against Partick
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Topic Originator: DBA  
Date:   Sun 15 Aug 12:41

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Steve mcgregor, Sun 15 Aug 12:12

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thenatural, Sat 14 Aug 21:35

For a bit of perspective, check out our record at Ibrox in 02/03 and 03/04 seasons. Results not that different under a manager hailed for his tactical acumen and with the most highly remunerated squad in our history at his disposal.


Finally, someone with a bit of sense. How many times have we went to Ibrox over the years and got a result. Very rarely. More often we get humped. So to jump on here and start berating the manager or the players is a joke. If your a fan you support ALL aspect of the club even when we get a bad result.


So we just accept the woeful performances in the last 3 games?

If we'd looked even remotely like a football team against Morton and Partick, there wouldn't be this reaction. The reality is the formation is clearly not working and players are being played out of position and not performing. Something needs to change and quickly.
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Topic Originator: Socks  
Date:   Sun 15 Aug 13:16

Although it`s true that over a long period we`ve regularly come away from games at Ibrox with heavy losses, it does seem odd that some seem to be refusing to acknowledge the main point of criticism. The criticism is not that we played badly or were heavily beaten, it`s that we went to Ibrox and set the team up in an absolutely ludicrous shape that did not give us the best chance possible of winning. Leaving East End last week I joked about playing 3 forwards at Ibrox, not seriously believing that any manager of a team in our position would attempt it.

Had we lost 5-0 after setting up quite defensively with some threat on the break, been functional but outplayed, I don`t think many would have been all that fussed. But, if the manager sets his team up in such a way, it has to be expected that criticism will follow if the game goes as people fear after seeing the team. I didn`t see the game so can`t really comment on the play. I did have a look at the team beore going out though, and my only thought was `FFS, seriously?`

Despite that, it`s definitely not right to consider saking a manager this early. However bad it`s been, any manager deserves more time than this to get it right. He needs to find a way of either making his preferred system work, or find something else that is functional. He needs to find a way of making us competent at defending free kicks and corners. He needs to find a way for our defence to look relatively comfortable with what they`re being asked to do in general play. I don`t think those can really be argued. In addition, I think he needs to find a way of making a direct game a credible option, to be used as needed though that one is arguable.

The problem now is that there`s some pressure on. The worry for me is that we play much better against the Rovers but lose after things go against us - if I feel we`ve played OK I can accept it, but for many it won`t matter. The manager has really put the pressure on himself, but playing well and winning will ease that.

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Topic Originator: par-4-life  
Date:   Sun 15 Aug 13:22

I think 99% of fans would have expected a defeat against Rangers after getting knocked out of champions league and a stronger team selected. U can however lose a match in an acceptable manner, your well organised, compact, willing to fit for each other and show some leadership, when the match finishes u put your hands up and accept you were beaten by the better team. None of this was evident on Friday night which makes the result embarrassing we were lucky it was only 5, the exact same happened against Patrick. Think fans have the right to be annoyed and question what’s happening

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Topic Originator: Toddyrov  
Date:   Sun 15 Aug 13:31

Looking at the rovers Aberdeen game makes me worried.

Rovers have a manager who knows how to set up his team.. us on the other hand

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Topic Originator: Alan  
Date:   Sun 15 Aug 16:11

Totally agree with your comments par-4-life. I was at the very least expecting a reaction from the players following the very poor display against Partick, and for us to at least be competitive, but it never happened, and the game was over after a few minutes, and thankfully Rangers took their foot off the gas in the second half. Totally agree with the various comments about Grant`s formation being totally wrong, but regardless of this, his signings have been really poor. He stated at the start of his reign that he would be patient and wait for the right quality players to come in, then signs guys like Memhet Graham Pybus Cole, who at best are very average championship players, and I can`t possibly see any way of us getting out of the championship with players of that caliber.

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Topic Originator: YankeeDollar  
Date:   Mon 16 Aug 09:40

Grant has Fridays game to sort out his plans. Another humiliating defeat will surely confine his short time EEP into the history books?

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Topic Originator: Ianoappar  
Date:   Mon 16 Aug 09:51

Grant has piled the pressure on himself with his constant talk about winning this league.
Another hard game coming up and another loss increases the get him out comments,
Is Thomas Meggle waiting in the wings to take over.?

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Topic Originator: Gaz3822  
Date:   Mon 16 Aug 11:27

Unfortunately we`re playing with very fragile confidence.

For me, the most important thing for a sportsperson to have to compete well at any level, is confidence.

Some players have mentioned the fact that if we lose a goal the heads go down. We can visibly see it for ourselves.

We need to score early goals on Friday or I think there`s only one outcome...even then we`ve still managed to lose games in that scenario in the past.

It`s all well and good playing Grant`s way in training but they`re obviously not confident with it in important games.

Will Grant change or will he persist ?

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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot  
Date:   Mon 16 Aug 12:17

As much as some fans want rid of the dude already, he needs a chance. I`d say give him until the first round of games have past. No improvement, then bite the bullet and part ways.

Hopefully behind the scenes they are already looking at potential replacements just in case..

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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Mon 16 Aug 13:04

He's nowhere near getting sacked, nor should he be.
Even if the performance at Starks is as bad as the last 2 were.
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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Mon 16 Aug 13:37

100% agree JTH .

I believe Grant will have the full season, the last thing we need as a club is fans shouting for managers head after 6 games.
If Stewart Petrie was given the job would he be getting the same treatment? I think not.
If the board sack Grant(not going to happen), the next new manager comes in and results or performances don't change. Do we then get fans shouting for his head after 2 months?

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Topic Originator: Toddyrov  
Date:   Mon 16 Aug 14:42

If rovers roll us over without their main player and tactically we are a complete mess again I wouldn’t be against ending this experiment. We have a team that I thought could challenge (as many others did too) and we look so lost its unreal.
I’m not even sure what our style of play is.

I hope grant proves me wrong on Friday and he goes on too have a great season yet I just don’t see it. Never the less mon the pars Come Friday !

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Topic Originator: Sue Par Chew  
Date:   Mon 16 Aug 17:16

Grants certainly put himself under pressure early on, but there is a long way to go. We cant be calling for managers heaf just yet. Patience required all round.

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Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Mon 16 Aug 17:28

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Sue Par Chew, Mon 16 Aug 17:16

Grants certainly put himself under pressure early on, but there is a long way to go. We cant be calling for managers heaf just yet. Patience required all round.


thats the thing with what he said about wanting to win the league, if he turned up and said playoffs are the aim then imagine the response to that!

Patience unfortunately isn't what some football fans have but I totally agree with you.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 16 Aug 17:30

I think he'll find it difficult if we fail against the wee team. As much as I liked Crawford (and still have a hell of a lot of respect for the guy), Pars fans grew impatient with how long he was given. Tbh, it looked like he'd be given another season. The patience is gone now and we don't want a Davie Hay or Stephen Kenny.
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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Mon 16 Aug 19:05

We had a side to challenge last season but many on here said Crawford wasn't up to the job, Change management and players and already people think that Grants time is up at EEP.

The new owners have stated this isn't an over night fix, it's about building something, you can't build anything by sacking someone every 10 matches.

Strap in guys PG Is here for long haul.

I am in no way comparing PG with sir Alex but the greatest manager of the modern era won nothing the first few seasons at Old Trafford

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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Mon 16 Aug 22:40

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MDCCCLXXXV, Mon 16 Aug 19:05

We had a side to challenge last season but many on here said Crawford wasn't up to the job, Change management and players and already people think that Grants time is up at EEP.

The new owners have stated this isn't an over night fix, it's about building something, you can't build anything by sacking someone every 10 matches.

Strap in guys PG Is here for long haul.

I am in no way comparing PG with sir Alex but the greatest manager of the modern era won nothing the first few seasons at Old Trafford


I'd compare Peter Grant with Tom Forsyth personally.

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Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 07:11

His interviews are always quick to blame the players and not put any blame on himself. It`s refreshing to hear a different view rather than the same cliched rubbish but every week he has put blame on the players, yet he never changes the system or drops the culprits who are making the same mistakes time and time again. Friday is a massive game and with two of their key players out we really should be looking to win.

I fear the board have seriously messed up on this one. Grant was a very unpopular appointment and won`t be giving much time from the fans, especially when he`s playing a completely alien tactic that has not worked against better opposition and seems to have no intention of changing it. One of our worst performers is a loan signing and he has kept playing when when we have more competent defenders on the bench who are contracted to us.

In my opinion, Ross McArthur has messed up the last three times with managers. A 2 year contract was given to Allan Johnston after the play offs (unpopular decision), Crawford was made manager (again unpopular decision) and now he has made the decision to appoint Peter Grant as a manager when he didn`t even apply for the job (very unpopular decision). The club have to be careful as they`re quick to say on most interviews that the fans contrition to the centenary lifeline and season tickets are important, yet they employ a manager that the majority of the fans did not want. Like it or not, if these results continue, the atmosphere will get more toxic and they would be very silly to keep Grant.

I seriously hopefully it all comes good but based on the last three games, it won`t unless tactical changes are made and other players are given a chance. I can`t imagine the players are too chuffed at getting the blame publicly all the time either when many are being played out of position.

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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 08:54

I’m firmly in the “let’s give him more than two league games” camp




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Topic Originator: AJ27  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 09:11

Last 3 performances have been very poor but wanting the manager out after 3 games is just ridiculous - I think he needs to change but the last 2 seasons have been turgid to watch and at least he’s trying to play entertaining football. For me we need a solid defensive midfielder and the squad will be strong.

I really hope the fans turn up in big numbers on Friday - what will it say about us if we stay and watch it at home? No fans allowed in for 18 months and we can’t be bothered after a couple of bad performances.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 09:56

How do we gauge whether an appointment is `unpopular` with the fans? Is it because some folk on here don`t agree with it? We all know that this forum is not representative of the fanbase and I think we all know that, in general, social media attracts a majority of critical comments rather than complimentary ones.

Can you imagine what state our club would be in if some of the folk on here were in control? We would be changing managers every few weeks until we struck lucky. Even if PG didn`t apply for the job, is that a damning indictment of the chairman and the board? It must be the case in the majority of appointments of football managers I would have thought.

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Topic Originator: Gaz3822  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 10:24

If Grant`s philosophy is to play a certain way, which it seems to be, then i wish he hadn`t said anything about looking at winning the league.
All that`s done is heaped pressure onto a bunch of players who are struggling to play his style of football and then lambasting them publicly for not managing it, what hope have they got ?

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Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 10:30

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Gaz3822, Tue 17 Aug 10:24

If Grant`s philosophy is to play a certain way, which it seems to be, then i wish he hadn`t said anything about looking at winning the league.
All that`s done is heaped pressure onto a bunch of players who are struggling to play his style of football and then lambasting them publicly for not managing it, what hope have they got ?


so if he said he hopes to get the Playoffs, would that been acceptable or deemed negative by the fans?
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 10:36

And so he should be unhappy with the players.
They have not performed .

They are professional players who should be able to play any formation

Last season many complained that SC never critised his players ,Now we have a manager who says it as it is.
Players are wrapped in cotton wool these days
They have practised this formation for weeks now if they cant adapt and can only play one way then maybe they need to be looking at another career or are not as good as they think they are .
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To put all the blame on PG in my opinion is incorrect ,the players themselfs need to be accountable ,They say in interviews they are enjoying the training technics and new way the manager wants to play .

fans last season complained of the negative football we produced ,and now we have a manager trying a new attacking formation and after 3 games want him out .
Players should be able to play any formation ,and they should be taking responsibility ,the poor passing ,giving the ball away ,not challenging has nothing to do with formation simply down to basic individual errors .
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 10:38

PARS207
Probably positive.
He didn`t know how the players were gonna react to his coaching

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Topic Originator: Gaz3822  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 10:59

Rigger Al

I agree with all that.

I`ve said before players need to take responsibility on the park, but is it turning into a blame game ?

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Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 12:07

I agree that players should be criticised but the manager needs to take his share of the blame also, which it doesn`t sound like Grant is willing to do. I agree that players are wrapped in cotton wool these days but disagree that players should be able to play in any formation. That`s why certain players improve at different clubs if they play to the players strengths. The fact that players are played out of position doesn`t help either. Grant`s Alloa were known for playing attractive football but we`ve not seen any signs of that since the season has started. He stated the championship is the aim and he really needs to turn it around pretty quickly if that is the case. Hopefully this starts on Friday.

Of course the forum isn`t going to give the overall opinion of what fans think but every fan I have spoken to outside of the forum was extremely unhappy with Grant`s appointment and that he is extremely fortunate to be getting the job. He is another manager that has never proven himself (as a manager) at any level. The managers I wanted at the time were Petrie, who has proven himself at Montrose and Hughes has been a very successful manager for most Scottish clubs he worked at. I would have hoped both would be interested in the job but that`s something I wouldn`t know for sure

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Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 12:11

While totally get players and managers should take blame and stand up at certain times, it would appear from the outside that the training is very good, and players learning, all very promising. But come game time they are not performing.... now is that the players or the managers issue?? Thomas for example been hooked in the 2 league games after spells in games where a 10 yard pass to a team mate unmarked and under no pressure he couldn`t complete!!

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Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 12:39

It is very strange PARS207. Correct me if I`m wrong but did Crawford not mention training being excellent quite a lot during interviews but we struggled to perform at the weekend? I definitely think we have a squad capable of challenging but so far we`ve not looked anywhere near it. Goalkeeper is the most worrying position. Based on what I`ve seen from Mehmet, perhaps Gill should have been given more of a chance. Midfield is a bit of a worry but I seriously expect to see more from Dorrans and Wilson coming back will be a big plus.

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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 13:55

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RossF, Tue 17 Aug 12:07

I agree that players should be criticised but the manager needs to take his share of the blame also, which it doesn`t sound like Grant is willing to do. I agree that players are wrapped in cotton wool these days but disagree that players should be able to play in any formation. That`s why certain players improve at different clubs if they play to the players strengths. The fact that players are played out of position doesn`t help either. Grant`s Alloa were known for playing attractive football but we`ve not seen any signs of that since the season has started. He stated the championship is the aim and he really needs to turn it around pretty quickly if that is the case. Hopefully this starts on Friday.

Of course the forum isn`t going to give the overall opinion of what fans think but every fan I have spoken to outside of the forum was extremely unhappy with Grant`s appointment and that he is extremely fortunate to be getting the job. He is another manager that has never proven himself (as a manager) at any level. The managers I wanted at the time were Petrie, who has proven himself at Montrose and Hughes has been a very successful manager for most Scottish clubs he worked at. I would have hoped both would be interested in the job but that`s something I wouldn`t know for sure


What exactly has Petrie done that excites so many on here. Not being a smartass, genuine question.
From what I see he finished 2nd last year. That was good, but prior to that ...5th 4th 4th.
He has been there a while so had time to put his long term plan in place. He is still in the third tier.
He might be great with more resources but we don't know.
I think it must just be fond memories rather than substance.

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Topic Originator: LEGEND85  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 14:05

Montrose are competing against full time teams so I'd say they are probably punching above there weight.

I watched Montrose against the Rovers a couple of seasons ago I think the rovers won 4-3 but Montrose were excellent.
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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 14:32

I seen Dunfermline against hearts last season. I think Dunfermline won 2-1 and we were excellent

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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 15:26

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LEGEND85, Tue 17 Aug 14:05

Montrose are competing against full time teams so I'd say they are probably punching above there weight.

I watched Montrose against the Rovers a couple of seasons ago I think the rovers won 4-3 but Montrose were excellent.


Any advance on that, because it is not nearly enough to suggest he is a proven manager.
I have nothing against him. Maybe he would be good.
I just dont see the evidence that others seem to.

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Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 15:44

And what has Peter grant done in his managerial career to deserve a crack at it? Yes he’s coached at big teams but his managerial record is woeful

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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 15:48

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parsfan97, Tue 17 Aug 15:44

And what has Peter grant done in his managerial career to deserve a crack at it? Yes he’s coached at big teams but his managerial record is woeful


That is whataboutary. It doesn't answer the question.

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Topic Originator: Perkins  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 16:23

When Petrie won league 2 with Montrose they had been stuck that league for 20 years. Taking them up and finishing fourth for three seasons in league 1 is a significant achievement.

I think you`re well aware of that though and are just fishing

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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 16:26

Were Montrose not in the play-off to avoid dropping out the league before Petrie took over? He's done a great job at Montrose - that's surely undeniable.

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Topic Originator: LEGEND85  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 16:29

I think we need to draw a line under the Peter Grant out posts as it's time to focus on the fife Derby and get behind the team and manager
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Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 18:56

`What exactly has Petrie done that excites so many on here. Not being a smartass, genuine question.
From what I see he finished 2nd last year. That was good, but prior to that ...5th 4th 4th.
He has been there a while so had time to put his long term plan in place. He is still in the third tier.
He might be great with more resources but we don`t know.
I think it must just be fond memories rather than substance.`

Quite happy to answer that Parrot and didn`t see it at all as a smartass question. I`d rather have a discussion about it than throw insults about!

Against all the odds, they won league two - finishing above a very strong Edinburgh City side. When he took over, Montrose had finished 8th in League two. The season before they were bottom and stayed up via the playoffs. Petrie`s first full season had them finish in the league one playoffs, which was an excellent achievement. The second season, they won the league - their first league title in about 30 years. In league one, they were widely tipped to go straight back down and comfortably stayed up. I`m sure they`ve lost a few players to bigger teams but still managed to compete and punch well above their weight. To top all that off, he is a Pars legend and one of the first players I loved watching. I would say he`s proven more as a manager than Grant has.

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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 19:26

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LEGEND85, Tue 17 Aug 16:29

I think we need to draw a line under the Peter Grant out posts as it's time to focus on the fife Derby and get behind the team and manager


Post of the week

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Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 20:15

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MDCCCLXXXV, Tue 17 Aug 14:32

I seen Dunfermline against hearts last season. I think Dunfermline won 2-1 and we were excellent


Exactly!!
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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 22:06

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LEGEND85, Tue 17 Aug 16:29

I think we need to draw a line under the Peter Grant out posts as it's time to focus on the fife Derby and get behind the team and manager


THIS 🏁🏁
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Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 23:04

Yup,Let's all get behind the pars on Friday. Let's not forget, this is our team,and hopefully, everyone is focused on a positive result.
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Tue 17 Aug 23:24

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RossF, Tue 17 Aug 18:56

`What exactly has Petrie done that excites so many on here. Not being a smartass, genuine question.
From what I see he finished 2nd last year. That was good, but prior to that ...5th 4th 4th.
He has been there a while so had time to put his long term plan in place. He is still in the third tier.
He might be great with more resources but we don`t know.
I think it must just be fond memories rather than substance.`

Quite happy to answer that Parrot and didn`t see it at all as a smartass question. I`d rather have a discussion about it than throw insults about!

Against all the odds, they won league two - finishing above a very strong Edinburgh City side. When he took over, Montrose had finished 8th in League two. The season before they were bottom and stayed up via the playoffs. Petrie`s first full season had them finish in the league one playoffs, which was an excellent achievement. The second season, they won the league - their first league title in about 30 years. In league one, they were widely tipped to go straight back down and comfortably stayed up. I`m sure they`ve lost a few players to bigger teams but still managed to compete and punch well above their weight. To top all that off, he is a Pars legend and one of the first players I loved watching. I would say he`s proven more as a manager than Grant has.


Thanks for that Ross. I did know most of that, maybe not in as much detail. I wasn't fishing. I think what he has done is impressive but still 5th and 4th in a league that most on here say is very poor. At least they did when we were in it.

So I still dont see that he has proved himself as hot a prospect as some make out.
Id be concerned another legend got tarnished.

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Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 06:04

PARrot wrote:

>
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RossF, Tue 17 Aug 18:56
>
> `What exactly has Petrie done that excites so many on here. Not
> being a smartass, genuine question.
> From what I see he finished 2nd last year. That was good, but
> prior to that ...5th 4th 4th.
> He has been there a while so had time to put his long term plan
> in place. He is still in the third tier.
> He might be great with more resources but we don`t know.
> I think it must just be fond memories rather than substance.`
>
> Quite happy to answer that Parrot and didn`t see it at all as a
> smartass question. I`d rather have a discussion about it than
> throw insults about!
>
> Against all the odds, they won league two - finishing above a
> very strong Edinburgh City side. When he took over, Montrose
> had finished 8th in League two. The season before they were
> bottom and stayed up via the playoffs. Petrie`s first full
> season had them finish in the league one playoffs, which was an
> excellent achievement. The second season, they won the league -
> their first league title in about 30 years. In league one, they
> were widely tipped to go straight back down and comfortably
> stayed up. I`m sure they`ve lost a few players to bigger teams
> but still managed to compete and punch well above their weight.
> To top all that off, he is a Pars legend and one of the first
> players I loved watching. I would say he`s proven more as a
> manager than Grant has.

>
> Thanks for that Ross. I did know most of that, maybe not in as
> much detail. I wasn't fishing. I think what he has done is
> impressive but still 5th and 4th in a league that most on here
> say is very poor. At least they did when we were in it.
>
> So I still dont see that he has proved himself as hot a
> prospect as some make out.
> Id be concerned another legend got tarnished.
>
>

No problem, at the end of the day it`s all about opinions. I think fans would be patient with Petrie, if we started badly. We have not had an all round popular appointment since Johnston was first brought in. If a manager is brought in that most fans would want, I don`t think posts like this would be getting started.

Montrose were not far away from being promoted last season. Morton knocked them out in extra time by scoring in the final minute before penalties. If they were promoted that would have been massive. Would you not agree that he has done more to prove himself than Peter Grant? He maybe has a decent CV of clubs he coached at, but I can`t imagine anyone can give a list of reasons to argue that he has had success on the managerial front. I was in shock to see the example of when we beat them 4-1 used to make him an ideal candidate for the job. I fear we have made a massive mistake with Grant and I have never felt this so early on into a manager`s career with us since Davie Hay.

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Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 06:30

Drawing a line under the "Grant out" post and focusing on the the Derby is fine, a "doing " on Friday and it will be reignited with ferocity.

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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 07:00

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/2460559/peter-grant-formation-dunfermline-rangers-raith-rovers/


Articles like that don't help dispel the train of thought that Peter Grant is quite arrogant and throws his team under the bus.
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Topic Originator: The Boss  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 07:16

“In my opinion, Ross McArthur has messed up the last three times with managers. A 2 year contract was given to Allan Johnston after the play offs (unpopular decision), Crawford was made manager (again unpopular decision) and now he has made the decision to appoint Peter Grant as a manager when he didn`t even apply for the job (very unpopular decision). The club have to be careful as they`re quick to say on most interviews that the fans contrition to the centenary lifeline and season tickets are important, yet they employ a manager that the majority of the fans did not want. Like it or not, if these results continue, the atmosphere will get more toxic and they would be very silly to keep Grant.”


Totally agree with this RossF. I could have written it myself.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 08:53

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Grant, Wed 18 Aug 07:00

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/2460559/peter-grant-formation-dunfermline-rangers-raith-rovers/


Articles like that don't help dispel the train of thought that Peter Grant is quite arrogant and throws his team under the bus.


We've done a 180. Gone from a manager who took it on the chin and never blamed the players to a manager who always blames the players and never takes responsibility.

Really you need a happy medium. A manager who can hold his hands up and say a player had a bad game but part of the failure was him not doing enough prep work with the players.

I'm a manager and as much as I can give a "FFS" if one of my team does something wrong, I also reflect on myself and ask things like "Do they need extra training?" or "Did I not explain the process to them properly?". I learned early on to never chuck your team under a bus. Perhaps Grant needs to learn a bit of that. Give them grief in the changing room but not in front of the media.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 10:15

Its nothing to do with throwing the team under the bus ,its about saying bit as it is.The majority of fans know thr team is not producing,so the PG haters take the opertunity to attack him and his tactics after 2 league games .
Players need to toughen up and start to earn their money and right to wear the pars shirt .
Individual errors by certain players on more than one occasion has caused us points not the formation .

If anyone is throwing anyone under any bus after the performances so far I would say the players are doing the throwing .
We have 10 new players new management ,new formation give it time not 2 league games.

Many on here week in week out complained about SC tactics and now we have someone whonis trying different getting slaughtered .

Went from PG formations to now PG throwing players under the bus for saying it as it is.
As far as im concerned hevis our manager and needs time ,certainly more than a few weeks .
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Topic Originator: Parsweep  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 10:17

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Rigger Al, Wed 18 Aug 10:15

Its nothing to do with throwing the team under the bus ,its about saying bit as it is.The majority of fans know thr team is not producing,so the PG haters take the opertunity to attack him and his tactics after 2 league games .
Players need to toughen up and start to earn their money and right to wear the pars shirt .
Individual errors by certain players on more than one occasion has caused us points not the formation .

If anyone is throwing anyone under any bus after the performances so far I would say the players are doing the throwing .
We have 10 new players new management ,new formation give it time not 2 league games.

Many on here week in week out complained about SC tactics and now we have someone whonis trying different getting slaughtered .

Went from PG formations to now PG throwing players under the bus for saying it as it is.
As far as im concerned hevis our manager and needs time ,certainly more than a few weeks .


Well said !

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 10:22

It`s interesting that there seems to be a consensus that we have a squad capable of winning promotion but some have doubts that the current manager is up to the task of achieving that. Of the 26 players listed on COWS as comprising the first team squad, 10 were signed by Peter Grant. So it seems he gets pass marks for recruitment but not for team management. Isn`t it a bit too early to assess both?

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Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 10:37

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wee eck, Wed 18 Aug 10:22

It`s interesting that there seems to be a consensus that we have a squad capable of winning promotion but some have doubts that the current manager is up to the task of achieving that. Of the 26 players listed on COWS as comprising the first team squad, 10 were signed by Peter Grant. So it seems he gets pass marks for recruitment but not for team management. Isn`t it a bit too early to assess both?


Agree
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Topic Originator: Toddyrov  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 10:49

Yea agree with the above that recruitment has been decent however signings appear strange due to formation. Genuinley think we’re crying out for a ball winning midfielder too.

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Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 10:55

Pretty simple folks, get behind the team, club and manager !!!

Yes we have favourites etc but this is a big time in the history of the club to move forward.

Course we are not pleased with recent results but thats what being a football fan is about, the ups and downs. If people can't accept that then go and watch those 2 clubs we all dislike in Glasgow ( not Partick or Queens Park).

The manager works with these players day in day out, if this is the way he wants to play then so be it, we have to have some patience with things.

No matter who the manager is, he deserves thr support and backing from Dunfermline fans, given a chance and some patience.

Can argue about previous records or levels etc, but the board and the new owners wanted PG so pets get behind him and the team for a change.
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Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 10:58

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Toddyrov, Wed 18 Aug 10:49

Yea agree with the above that recruitment has been decent however signings appear strange due to formation. Genuinley think we’re crying out for a ball winning midfielder too.


Would you not see Wilson in that role ??

Signings if you work them out basically gives 2 players per position for most formations.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 11:10

PARrot, instead of just saying whataboutery, how about just answering a simple question? Under limited resources I’d say Petrie has done very well at Montrose, taking them from bottom of league 2 into league one play offs is pretty decent. Not saying it’s amazing or what we need but still a decent achievement. Grant has done nothing in his managerial career of any success.

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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 11:27

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PARS207, Wed 18 Aug 10:58

Quote:

Toddyrov, Wed 18 Aug 10:49

Yea agree with the above that recruitment has been decent however signings appear strange due to formation. Genuinley think we’re crying out for a ball winning midfielder too.


Would you not see Wilson in that role ??

Signings if you work them out basically gives 2 players per position for most formations.


Not for me, he's not a ball winning midfielder, or a particularly defensive one, he's at his best as a box to box midfielder.

On the whole PG hasn't recruited fantastically imo, on one hand he's made two very good signings going forward (Kennedy and Todorov) however his signings of Reece Cole and Dorrans are a bit bizarre, and if we're being honest, poor in the sense that they weren't the type of players we needed to recruit.

He's signed 3 Centre backs but we've only seen one play, who's been poor.

And as for Mehmet...


Our squad as a whole is OK but that's largely down to Crawford, who I'm sure we all agree had a very good record in the window.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 11:31

Wilson doesn't move quickly enough to be a box to box midfielder.

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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 11:32

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DA-go Par Adonis, Wed 18 Aug 11:31

Wilson doesn't move quickly enough to be a box to box midfielder.


He isn't rapid, but he also isn't slow. His strongest asset is his ball carrying ability, something that you take away from him if you start saddling him with defensive duties.
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Topic Originator: PARSpars  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 11:58

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Grant, Wed 18 Aug 11:32

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DA-go Par Adonis, Wed 18 Aug 11:31

Wilson doesn't move quickly enough to be a box to box midfielder.


He isn't rapid, but he also isn't slow. His strongest asset is his ball carrying ability, something that you take away from him if you start saddling him with defensive duties.


Played more defensively for Queens in his time there but did look promising last year going the other way too, but can play the holding role as well and has the physicality to be a force, something the other centre midfielders don't have.
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 13:37

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parsfan97, Wed 18 Aug 11:10

PARrot, instead of just saying whataboutery, how about just answering a simple question? Under limited resources I’d say Petrie has done very well at Montrose, taking them from bottom of league 2 into league one play offs is pretty decent. Not saying it’s amazing or what we need but still a decent achievement. Grant has done nothing in his managerial career of any success.


I did exactly that at the end of the very post you are referring to.

My question was about Petrie. It had nothing to do with Grant.
Whataboutery is extremely childish.

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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 14:01

I think Wilson is talented, but I think he's a bit immobile from what I've seen. More than happy for him to prove me wrong though.

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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 14:25

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PARS207, Wed 18 Aug 11:58

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Grant, Wed 18 Aug 11:32

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DA-go Par Adonis, Wed 18 Aug 11:31

Wilson doesn't move quickly enough to be a box to box midfielder.


He isn't rapid, but he also isn't slow. His strongest asset is his ball carrying ability, something that you take away from him if you start saddling him with defensive duties.


Played more defensively for Queens in his time there but did look promising last year going the other way too, but can play the holding role as well and has the physicality to be a force, something the other centre midfielders don't have.


Wilson was at his best for Queens when in an attacking role, as shown in the last game of whatever season it was where he absolutely dominated our midfield.

I think people are a bit guilty of looking at Wilson and thinking that because he's a big bloke he's then judged as being defensive, not the case. Think of a btech Yaya Toure.
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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 14:28

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DA-go Par Adonis, Wed 18 Aug 14:01

I think Wilson is talented, but I think he's a bit immobile from what I've seen. More than happy for him to prove me wrong though.



It might be the case of absence making the heart grow fonder... But I reckon he has all the attributes to be one of the better midfielders in this division, his driving runs from midfield can be vital at creating new routes for attacking, bringing out defenders and commuting them is vital.
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Topic Originator: bannerpar  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 15:01

Peter Grant has been pretty honest and frank in his after match assessments and I don`t see him as being unduly critical of the players. It`s a bit refreshing to hear a straightforward account rather than all the cliches trotted out in recent years. Stevie Crawford never once criticised players even when they, as they did a fair few times last season, let him (and us) down. The upshot was people blamed tactics instead, even when that wasn`t the main problem, and he ended up getting it in the neck. I don`t know if it`s a result of the celebrity managers in the EPL but folk nowadays seem to think that it`s managers who win and lose games, sometimes I wonder what players are there for.

Since PG seems to have few backers on here I`ll own up to wanting him here (when I saw the other names that were mentioned). I hope he is given the season to see what he can do.

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Topic Originator: Perkins  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 15:55

I think PG could have acknowledged that he`s asked some of the players to play in different positions and a different system to what they`ve been accustomed to rather than just say they didn`t turn up.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 18 Aug 18:57

You can have the best team in the world but they'll still lose if the manager gets the tactics wrong. PG needs to take some responsibility. Yes, the players aren't performing but it's his responsibility to identify why good players aren't playing well.
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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Thu 19 Aug 01:01

Yes, I agree with that, Jake. Someone on here rather aptly described PG as a blether - in other words, a windbag. As each week passes, I am coming round to that point of view.

I suspect that we would have been far better off poaching John McGlynn from Raith Rovers. He`s done a fabulous job there.

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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Thu 19 Aug 10:29

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OzPar, Thu 19 Aug 01:01

Yes, I agree with that, Jake. Someone on here rather aptly described PG as a blether - in other words, a windbag. As each week passes, I am coming round to that point of view.

I suspect that we would have been far better off poaching John McGlynn from Raith Rovers. He`s done a fabulous job there.



McGlynn would never have came here.
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft  
Date:   Thu 19 Aug 10:55

Yogi Hughes was the obvious choice. Peter grant goes on and on about his CV but IMO yogi’s CV blows that out the water. If we put in another shocking performance tomorrow, I’ve no doubt the vast majority of those in attendance will let grant know he’s not wanted here.
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822  
Date:   Thu 19 Aug 12:39

Grant says he speaks with Meggle a lot, and it sounds like they have similar philosophies on the game.

So if he`s convinced him the football he`s playing will come good then he`ll not be going anywhere quickly.

If we at least see signs of it on Fri then fine, even with a defeat, but if we get a doing then the board would surely be asking questions.

Unless of course PG has convinced them all he`s the best manager on the planet, which I think could be possible lol

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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Thu 19 Aug 15:06

Well said Gaz.

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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Thu 19 Aug 18:43

Not been online for a while and just catching up on the articles, just read the Grant ‘Not the system that loses you games’ and I don’t think he’s done himself any favours with that interview.

He comes across poorly in that one and it is a clear dig at the fans in my view.

It’s not the system that loses you games, I have to disagree to an extent you play the formation that gets the best out of the players and I haven’t seen us play well in that formation apart from against a depleted Dumbarton team. It needs changed but based on this article he’s sticking to his guns.
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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Thu 19 Aug 20:36

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Berry, Thu 19 Aug 18:43

Not been online for a while and just catching up on the articles, just read the Grant ‘Not the system that loses you games’ and I don’t think he’s done himself any favours with that interview.

He comes across poorly in that one and it is a clear dig at the fans in my view.

It’s not the system that loses you games, I have to disagree to an extent you play the formation that gets the best out of the players and I haven’t seen us play well in that formation apart from against a depleted Dumbarton team. It needs changed but based on this article he’s sticking to his guns.




One wonders, if the formation doesn't matter why did he change it at half time against Rangers?

He just talks. I get that he was different to Crawford in that he seemed more natural in front of the camera, but I truthfully preferred Crawfords interviews.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 19 Aug 20:56

Agree re: his interview. It may be that only parts of what he's said have been quoted.

The reality is that the formation is part of his tactical decision making. Obviously if the players don't perform then it doesn't matter what formation you use. However, you also can't expect players to perform if played out of position or in a formation that doesn't utilise their strengths. You wouldn't play three up front against a strong team. You'd have a back four or five to defend with one up front to try and catch them on the counter.

I think Grant's approach seems to be to win games by scoring more rather than trying to grab 1-0, 2-1 type wins. That works well if you've got great attackers and the opposition have a leaky defence. However, it doesn't work when it's your team who have the leaky defence!
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Thu 19 Aug 22:00

We have Comrie, an excellent RB, and we’re playing him in central defence.

We have Thomas who on his day can rip oppositions apart on the wing, playing in central midfield.

We have Edwards, someone who has developed so much at left back, trying to fulfil a wing back role which for me is just pushing his ability that little bit too much.

We have Gaspuitis, a Lithuania internationalist, experience defending against some of the best players in Europe…and can’t get off the bench.

We signed Dan Pybus.

I may have made a mistake and thought Dorrans was an astute signing, bringing with him that experience and stability like Whittaker did excellently for us, quite frankly he’s been terrible and feels like he’s just happy to have a payday.

Frustratingly, we have the best attacking talent in this league. Todorov, Kennedy, Thomas, O’Hara, Wighton and I just think the formation we’re playing whilst exciting against lower opposition is not going to cut it.

I’m not anti-Grant, but there’s a thin line between being confident and arrogant and I think he’s beginning to cross that line. He is clearly confident in his ability and every article he states something is so, so important. Well what’s most important is getting three points most weeks and at the moment he isn’t giving any confidence to the fans that he’s capable of doing that.

He needs to up his game.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Thu 19 Aug 22:13

Juat listened to Peter Grant's latest interview and can't really think of a worst one.
Talk is really cheap and clearly his talk walked him into the job.

What has he actually achieved?

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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks  
Date:   Thu 19 Aug 22:38

AdamAntsParsStripe wrote:

> Juat listened to Peter Grant's latest interview and
> can't really think of a worst one.
> Talk is really cheap and clearly his talk walked him into the
> job.
>
> What has he actually achieved?
>
>

1.03-1.12 of the interview-“ It’s funny because if you look at 3 of the first 4 goals we have a chance right after every one of Rangers’ goals right from kick off, it’s quite incredible”

Did we aye ?.
Did we string two passes together in their half all night ?

I appreciated his honesty in early interviews but that is utter bull sheet, fans don’t stand for that.

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Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Thu 19 Aug 22:50

He’s slowly losing the plot, be surprised if he’s here at Christmas tbh

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Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Thu 19 Aug 23:28

He’ll be away after Fridays pending thumping. Totally out of his depth here.
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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Thu 19 Aug 23:41

Peter Grant has some previous in terms of bizarre post-match analysis.

``FT: Hearts 6-0 Alloa Athletic

Alloa Athletic boss Peter Grant tells BBC Scotland: "First half we should have been 2-0 up, we had two fantastic chances.

"We played a lot of good stuff but, yet again, you see the goals we lose are very poor. It`s a sore one.``

sammer
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 20 Aug 07:13

Well of course tactics and formations are important, otherwise the better team would almost inevitably win every game. If the gulf in class is huge, no tactics or formation can help the poorer team and only a massive dose of luck, combined with an off day by their opponents, will help avoid defeat.

Jock Stein had no peers in getting the best out of his team by using players in their best positions and adopting tactics and formations which played to his team's strengths and exploited any weaknesses in their opponents.



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Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Fri 20 Aug 08:13

Exactly what i posted last week GG , instead of imposing his version on the players he should be using them in their favoured positions, sadly i think he will stubbornly soldier on with his version .

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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Fri 20 Aug 10:20

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AdamAntsParsStripe, Thu 19 Aug 22:13

Juat listened to Peter Grant's latest interview and can't really think of a worst one.
Talk is really cheap and clearly his talk walked him into the job.

What has he actually achieved?



Aye, it's an absolute shocker.
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Topic Originator: king lad  
Date:   Fri 20 Aug 10:32

I'm disappointed in what I've seen so far tactically from PG. Yes, there have been some individual errors, however the main problem is a number of players don't look comfortable where they're playing and we aren't imposing our will on the game.

Edwards and Macdonald aren't good enough to be out and out wing backs in this league, it's pretty simple, none of the starting back 3 look like they know how to cover their respective positions defensively, putting Comrie at RCB in particular has been frustrating for me as you're instantly making him a target for taller/stronger forwards whilst also not allowing him to perform at RB. Graham I think has footballing ability but right now he looks lost at sea where he's being played which is contributing to the mistakes he's making. Watson who was consistent for us last year has been a shadow of that player going into this season. For me Grant is over complicating things with this formation when there's no need to and the consequence is us shipping over 2 goals per game on average which puts a lot of pressure on our forwards to perform.

Its another season where we look extremely lost in central midfield, a conundrum we've struggled to solve since returning to the championship. I think we have some decent individual players but so far have no idea how to bond them together. Paul Allan was dropped despite playing well in the league Cup, which was odd to me given his energy and willingness to get on the ball. Dorrans looks miles off the pace and was a better player for rangers last week than he was for us. Reece Cole I think has some quality to create chances for us if we can put a more reliable defensive midfielder next to him, which imo we don't have just now. Pybus hasn't impressed so far for me, runs around a lot, doesn't seem to have a lot of quality on the ball.

If Grant remains stubborn and refuses to adapt to poor performances each week, he won't be in the job very long imo, especially with the heightened expectation of competing for the title. The game today is massive, a win could put the team back on track and get the confidence flowing, a defeat or squib draw against a rovers team missing a few key players will continue to heap the pressure on the manager.
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Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Fri 20 Aug 16:10

Has anyone listen to Big Yogi on the open goal show yesterday? He`s another one I was gutted not to see get the Pars job. He`s obviously a good laugh and comes across as a bit of a joker but when he starts talking football, he clearly knows his stuff. He`s very clued up on the tactical side of things and sounds like a class man manager who knows when it`s right to have a laugh with the players and when to be serious.

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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Fri 20 Aug 16:40

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RossF, Fri 20 Aug 16:10

and sounds like a class man manager who knows when it`s right to have a laugh with the players and when to be serious.



Had an absolute stinker at Raith with regards to this.
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Topic Originator: evo!  
Date:   Fri 20 Aug 16:44

Grant is concerning me more and more. the comments of chances v rangers are nonsense by looks of it (didnt see the game but taking everyones word) . Hopefully tonight sees a turning point but boy am not antiipating anything beyond a loss the now

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Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Fri 20 Aug 17:30

He did Grant but he saved County against the odds. I think in regards to Raith the players sounded more of a problem than the manager. That aside, he has worked wonders at all the other Scottish clubs he was at.

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Topic Originator: DRJ1986  
Date:   Sat 28 Aug 16:31

Grant upon joining:

"I don`t believe in putting a CV in because, if I did, I would blow everybody else away anyway. I don`t mean that disrespectfully."

This season was our chance where we could realistically challenge for the title. If the board won’t act quickly it could be mid table mediocrity or worse…. I wanted Grant to be given time. I’m now very concerned by his tactical naivety, nonsensical comments & utter stubbornness. I think the board need to reassess and admit we’ve got it wrong. If we leave this until October, the season is over! I don’t see any shame in being pro-active and begin to put feelers out to Yogi, Lennon, McLeish, Coyle etc. The Pars job has so much potential hence why the Germans picked us. Aim bloody high see what happens! Hopefully a windfall is due soon with Nisbet!

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Topic Originator: Scrimmers249  
Date:   Sat 28 Aug 16:33

Hughes is not the answer.. absolute buffoon

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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Sat 28 Aug 16:34

Got to go for me clearly haven't learned after the Patrick pumping. Surely questions have to asked on the hiring process.

c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Sat 28 Aug 16:35

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cammypar 1995, Sat 28 Aug 16:34

Surely questions have to asked on the hiring process.



Important point.
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Topic Originator: SCPar  
Date:   Sat 28 Aug 16:57

But Grant gave such a great interview!

Perhaps Ross McArthur should stand aside when it comes to selecting the next manager. His track record in managerial appointments is almost as bad as Grant`s management record.

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Topic Originator: rawpars  
Date:   Sat 28 Aug 17:04

If we got a windfall from Nisbet would you want Grant to spend the money ?

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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Sat 28 Aug 17:25

You need a CV for amazon but not the pars 😂

c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: dpard  
Date:   Sat 28 Aug 17:41

Can he take Dorrans with him as well??

The flame still burns
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Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Sun 29 Aug 17:22

St mirren sacked stubbs after 4 league games admitted that they got it wrong why can`t we do the same with grant we are watching relegation football get him out now

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Topic Originator: Kessel  
Date:   Sun 29 Aug 18:10

Get Grant punted and McArthur needs to stand down. Appoints a guy who never applied for the job and just got a team relegated. Absolute fraud of a Chairman.
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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Sun 29 Aug 19:40

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Kessel, Sun 29 Aug 18:10

Get Grant punted and McArthur needs to stand down. Appoints a guy who never applied for the job and just got a team relegated. Absolute fraud of a Chairman.


Admin. Can i request that a "total bo11ocks" button be added to the app?
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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Sun 29 Aug 20:03

That's very unfair JTH123

I'm not using the App😉

East End Park is a symbol of all that is DAFC.
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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Sun 29 Aug 22:42

Peter Grant`s record after 8 games in charge of the Pars is actually the best of his managerial career. This is a man with a knack of losing more matches than he wins so his Pars record, relatively is his best as a manger. Of course, all that could change.

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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Sun 29 Aug 22:54

Sammer such is the effect of the 2 heavy home defeats, I suspect the vast majority have forgotten his first 4 games. These led to the cup game at Ibrox that brought us a windfall of cash from a 41,000 crowd.
Maybe they'll remember if some of it is used to strengthen the squad?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 29 Aug 23:03

We got a good result away to Partick but could easily have been 3 or 4 down before their defence imploded. We then beat a Covid ravaged Dumbarton, lost away to St Mirren then beat Stenhousemuir.

I fail to see what's so impressive about those 4 games.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Sun 29 Aug 23:12

I mentioned his record since Peter Grant thinks it is so good that it would blow others out of the water. I am no devotee of CVs but Grant raised the issue and his is not so great.

sammer
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 29 Aug 23:14

They won`t remember it, JTH. One of the curiosities of this forum is that any success is downplayed or accepted as `normal`. Things like AJ getting us out of League 1, consolidating us in the Championship, getting us into the play-offs and qualifying out of our LC section; or SC getting us into the play-offs, qualifying out of our LC section to earn a pay-off at Parkhead, signing a raft of good players, one of whom could earn the club a sizeable fee in the near future.

In assessing a manager`s tenure at the club these things are just ignored because anyone who hasn`t got us into the Premiership is a `failure` and a poor choice by the board.

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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Sun 29 Aug 23:40

``In assessing a manager`s tenure at the club these things are just ignored because anyone who hasn`t got us into the Premiership is a `failure` and a poor choice by the board.``

Of course, and quite rightly so. Anything less is a celebration of mediocrity. Welcome to the world of Jock Stein.

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Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Sun 29 Aug 23:47

The attendance yesterday below 3000 quite sad to see, and it’s going to keep dwindling very quickly the longer Grant is in charge, behind the scenes it feels although something is seriously wrong at the club atm

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 29 Aug 23:53

Eck my post was aimed at JTH who specifically mentions the 4 cup games.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 09:33

I'm not trying to defend the current situation which is clearly unacceptable. I was just referring to Sammer's post about results.
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Topic Originator: forever black and white  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 09:56

Is he gone yet......

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Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 10:02

Announcement today I would have thought . If we don’t sack him we’ll be going down . The board need to get real anaw. Too many hangers on . It’s a fecking boys club .
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 12:56

Think him and McArthur are best buddies going by their "lengthy conversations" so I doubt he will be going anywhere soon.

We`re out of the title race already (lol) and the hope is we might get lucky with Ayr and Morton being equally guff in surviving the drop, otherwise we`re heading down, not up. An absolute disgrace.

McArthur - you have ripped the heart out this club with your ineptitude and poor decisions season after season. Thank you very much for that.

I won`t be back until the owners take proper control of the club, get rid of McArthur and Grant, and get someone in the dugout with some nous of being a football manager.

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Topic Originator: forever black and white  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 13:34

Can some one post this link pls , great song by the one and only Peter Grant .

https://youtu.be/vs34vaxYYec

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 13:59

Disagree with the criticism of McArthur. He, alongside others, has ensured the safety of this club. I'd say he's been overly cautious but you have to be when working on such a limited budget. I was actually wondering how the floodlights are being funded given the new owners only own the club, not the stadium.

McArthur will be in a difficult position. We're still skint so paying off a manager isn't an easy option.

Also, if we do pay off Grant, who steps in?
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Topic Originator: steaua  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 14:22

"Best Buddies going by their long conversations". Have I missed something here?I remember when AJ was at the club the Chairman and AJ met every Thursday , I can only presume Ross was being updated on the playing side just before a game and AJ was being brought up to date on the Cub side of things..



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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 15:41

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Row_ZZ, Mon 30 Aug 12:56

Think him and McArthur are best buddies going by their "lengthy conversations" so I doubt he will be going anywhere soon.

We`re out of the title race already (lol) and the hope is we might get lucky with Ayr and Morton being equally guff in surviving the drop, otherwise we`re heading down, not up. An absolute disgrace.

McArthur - you have ripped the heart out this club with your ineptitude and poor decisions season after season. Thank you very much for that.

I won`t be back until the owners take proper control of the club, get rid of McArthur and Grant, and get someone in the dugout with some nous of being a football manager.


Glad to see the back of you.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 16:16

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PARrot, Mon 30 Aug 15:41

Quote:

Row_ZZ, Mon 30 Aug 12:56

Think him and McArthur are best buddies going by their "lengthy conversations" so I doubt he will be going anywhere soon.

We`re out of the title race already (lol) and the hope is we might get lucky with Ayr and Morton being equally guff in surviving the drop, otherwise we`re heading down, not up. An absolute disgrace.

McArthur - you have ripped the heart out this club with your ineptitude and poor decisions season after season. Thank you very much for that.

I won`t be back until the owners take proper control of the club, get rid of McArthur and Grant, and get someone in the dugout with some nous of being a football manager.


Glad to see the back of you.


Oh come on, Parrot. Fans like Row ZZ are the life blood of our club.



Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 18:10

I travel 50 miles to go to our home games, spend fortunes in the club shop every season on me and the wee boy, and contribute to the lifeline every month. So, yes, I would say I am the lifeblood of the club. Patronising tw@ts all over the place, but not unexpected from the usual .nutters

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Topic Originator: Parsweep  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 18:30

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Row_ZZ, Mon 30 Aug 18:10

I travel 50 miles to go to our home games, spend fortunes in the club shop every season on me and the wee boy, and contribute to the lifeline every month. So, yes, I would say I am the lifeblood of the club. Patronising tw@ts all over the place, but not unexpected from the usual .nutters


100% .
Nobody who pays their hard earned cash at eep is more or less "the life blood " of the club than anyone else .
Parrot and GG , you have no idea how much individual fans put into the club .

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 19:38

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I travel 50 miles to go to our home games, spend fortunes in the club shop every season on me and the wee boy, and contribute to the lifeline every month. So, yes, I would say I am the lifeblood of the club. Patronising tw@ts all over the place, but not unexpected from the usual .nutters


I take it you and Parsweep thought I was being sarcastic, Row ZZ? Let me reassure you that I was well aware from your posts that you're a regular attender at Pars games, although I admit I didn't know you travel 50 miles to EEP, that you contribute to Lifeline and you're bringing your son up as a Pars fan. I doff my hat to you and feel vindicated for telling Parrot off. Sorry for not making that clear in my previous post.



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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 19:56

Tbh I’m not going back either and I don’t care what any fellow fan says.
It’s not worth the money when you can have a decent day out with the whole family and enjoy the day.
And let’s remember the 2 x strips etc we have bought but if there is no ambition from the management and desire from the players there needs to be a change…..

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 20:09

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EEP, Mon 30 Aug 19:56

Tbh I’m not going back either and I don’t care what any fellow fan says.
It’s not worth the money when you can have a decent day out with the whole family and enjoy the day.
And let’s remember the 2 x strips etc we have bought but if there is no ambition from the management and desire from the players there needs to be a change…..


There will be plenty of Pars fans who will disagree with your stance, EEP, but I'm of the opinion that it is one of the few ways fans can register their disapproval and try to force the BoD into making a change. It's not something I would consider myself but I totally respect the right of other fans to "vote with their feet."



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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 20:31

Well we will see with the next home attendance GG….
Im sure the board can see with the football on the pitch that its dire and not just the fans.
Why would you want to go and watch that dross every 2nd week at EEP?

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 21:16

Some fans we have, everyone was right behind him after the Group Stages of the cup. Now, a couple of bad results later and folk are wanting the manager sacked? Some of you need to get real, we have been run well financially for the last 9 years, we have a decent football man at the helm and a good young squad of players. Of course it is going to take them a while to gel as a team, and play in the system he wants them to play in. Rome wasn't built in a day.
This is the time we need real supporters to get behind the team and roar them on.


(he should have sorted out the goalie situation though, he has had a nightmare signing the perennial back up)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 21:19

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EEP, Mon 30 Aug 20:31

Well we will see with the next home attendance GG….
Im sure the board can see with the football on the pitch that its dire and not just the fans.
Why would you want to go and watch that dross every 2nd week at EEP?


I can categorically assure you I don't want to watch dross ever, never mind every 2nd week.



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Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 21:20

The football on display is nearly as bad when Stephen Kenny was in charge in the first division, I can remember watching us getting beat 5-0 from Hamilton, 4-0 from livingston then his last game being 3-0 away at Stirling, truly awful displays and what I seen on Saturday was just as bad

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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 21:42

The home game on Saturday was probably the worst display that I have ever seen against a part time team. Yes we were hammed 5-0 by Hamilton but they were full time. I suggested a walkout, but if fans wished to stop going that would probably get quicker action.

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Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 22:05

Behind you red star.Do not like what I am watching at the moment, but I will keep the faith .
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 22:08

I have zero faith but will.keep going in the hope that we'll turn the corner at some point soon.

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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 22:24

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parsfan97, Mon 30 Aug 21:20

The football on display is nearly as bad when Stephen Kenny was in charge in the first division, I can remember watching us getting beat 5-0 from Hamilton, 4-0 from livingston then his last game being 3-0 away at Stirling, truly awful displays and what I seen on Saturday was just as bad



I think that was Kennys 3rd last game

From memory we got beat by five at home to Hamilton, then went away to Stirling and got beat by three, then Livingston came to EEP and put four past us.

However Kenny was sacked after a 1-0 loss to Dundee.
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Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 22:50

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Grant, Mon 30 Aug 22:24

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parsfan97, Mon 30 Aug 21:20

The football on display is nearly as bad when Stephen Kenny was in charge in the first division, I can remember watching us getting beat 5-0 from Hamilton, 4-0 from livingston then his last game being 3-0 away at Stirling, truly awful displays and what I seen on Saturday was just as bad



I think that was Kennys 3rd last game

From memory we got beat by five at home to Hamilton, then went away to Stirling and got beat by three, then Livingston came to EEP and put four past us.

However Kenny was sacked after a 1-0 loss to Dundee.


That's right. He limped on after those trio of horrid results. He got the Challenge Cup Final and the Dundee home game.

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Topic Originator: CrossPar  
Date:   Mon 30 Aug 23:50

A different set of circumstances though. Kenny had inherited a group of players who completely downed tools to get him removed. First game after he was sacked, they doubled their effort. Frankly, still sickens me thinking about it.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 07:12

I may be mistaken, but the first game after he left we drew 1-1 at home to Clyde.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 08:27

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DA-go Par Adonis, Tue 31 Aug 07:12

I may be mistaken, but the first game after he left we drew 1-1 at home to Clyde.


You're not. McIntyre did however feature after being injured for the preceding 457 weeks

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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 13:43

I dont get the Kenny comparison either as it's completely different. This is PG squad that he built, that he wanted, set up the way he wants to play. As far as I'm aware Kenny got a squad that wanted a lads holiday when he asked them to train twice a day to improve they keeked it and downed tools until he got his jotters. Evidence above from Da about macca being one valid point from a whole host of others. PG is clearly just completely out his depth. And will be interested to see just how long the bod lasts before kicking him out the door. I'd also like to see the recruitment strategy reviewed as it's been shocking for the last few years in terms of management.

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Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 13:49

Kenny also had a job history (CV even 😉) that showed that he had done well and shown promise at another club.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 13:55

`I`d also like to see the recruitment strategy reviewed as it`s been shocking for the last few years in terms of management.`

Shocking in what way? Most fans were happy to see the club offering two- and three-year deals instead of one-year deals which made team-building very difficult. We`ve also made money from the recruitment and sale of McManus and Nisbet, with more to come hopefully in the latter case.

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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 14:37

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Row_ZZ, Mon 30 Aug 18:10

I travel 50 miles to go to our home games, spend fortunes in the club shop every season on me and the wee boy, and contribute to the lifeline every month. So, yes, I would say I am the lifeblood of the club. Patronising tw@ts all over the place, but not unexpected from the usual .nutters


I take it you and Parsweep thought I was being sarcastic, Row ZZ? Let me reassure you that I was well aware from your posts that you`re a regular attender at Pars games, although I admit I didn`t know you travel 50 miles to EEP, that you contribute to Lifeline and you`re bringing your son up as a Pars fan. I doff my hat to you and feel vindicated for telling Parrot off. Sorry for not making that clear in my previous post."

Apologies GG. I took that reply as sarcasm. The red mist was already in my eyes before replying.

We are all Pars fans at the end of the day. Whether we travel far or near, but I think we`re being took for a ride and this season is the final straw for me personally. Won`t be back until major changes made.

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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 16:48

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wee eck, Tue 31 Aug 13:55

`I`d also like to see the recruitment strategy reviewed as it`s been shocking for the last few years in terms of management.`

Shocking in what way? Most fans were happy to see the club offering two- and three-year deals instead of one-year deals which made team-building very difficult. We`ve also made money from the recruitment and sale of McManus and Nisbet, with more to come hopefully in the latter case.


Shocking in that after giving aj a new deal we have been rotten?

And we can hardly keep in going on and on about getting money for 2 players if we are trying to be a selling on for profit club we surely have to be turning over more than 2 players?

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 17:03

Are you talking about recruitment of managers or players?

I think most clubs like ours would be happy to sell one player a season on average for profit. Jackson Longridge was another one we made money on.

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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 17:33

We`ve lost on a few as well .We paid fees of some sort for the likes of McGill, Turner, Lang and Murray in the last couple of seasons and didn`t get much, if any, return at all when they left.

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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 18:09

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da_no_1, Tue 31 Aug 08:27

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DA-go Par Adonis, Tue 31 Aug 07:12

I may be mistaken, but the first game after he left we drew 1-1 at home to Clyde.


You're not. McIntyre did however feature after being injured for the preceding 457 weeks


If by 'feature' you mean unused sub and if by 457 weeks you mean a couple of months...

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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 18:36

Stephen Kenny was a fraud of a manager who got allot of fans onside due to talking well at supporters council.


Can only thank our lucky stars Peter Grant hasn't had one, his waffling would undoubtedly win over allot of our fans.
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Topic Originator: CrossPar  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 18:48

It was the players who weren't trying a leg for him that were the frauds. Players forget that they are not only playing for a manager, but also for the fans that pay their wages.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 19:03

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DA-go Par Adonis, Tue 31 Aug 18:09

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da_no_1, Tue 31 Aug 08:27

Quote:

DA-go Par Adonis, Tue 31 Aug 07:12

I may be mistaken, but the first game after he left we drew 1-1 at home to Clyde.


You're not. McIntyre did however feature after being injured for the preceding 457 weeks


If by 'feature' you mean unused sub and if by 457 weeks you mean a couple of months...


Excuse my sarcasm

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Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 19:20

Crosspar,totally agree.Did not particularly agree, with my boss,but always did my best.Job paid the bills at the end of the day.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 20:03

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Row_ZZ, Tue 31 Aug 14:37

"Quote:

Row_ZZ, Mon 30 Aug 18:10

I travel 50 miles to go to our home games, spend fortunes in the club shop every season on me and the wee boy, and contribute to the lifeline every month. So, yes, I would say I am the lifeblood of the club. Patronising tw@ts all over the place, but not unexpected from the usual .nutters


I take it you and Parsweep thought I was being sarcastic, Row ZZ? Let me reassure you that I was well aware from your posts that you`re a regular attender at Pars games, although I admit I didn`t know you travel 50 miles to EEP, that you contribute to Lifeline and you`re bringing your son up as a Pars fan. I doff my hat to you and feel vindicated for telling Parrot off. Sorry for not making that clear in my previous post."

Apologies GG. I took that reply as sarcasm. The red mist was already in my eyes before replying.

We are all Pars fans at the end of the day. Whether we travel far or near, but I think we`re being took for a ride and this season is the final straw for me personally. Won`t be back until major changes made.


No apology needed, mate. I should have made it clear I wasn't being sarcastic.



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Topic Originator: Parsweep  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 20:18

For what it's worth GG .
I picked you up wrongly as well .
Apologies .

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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 21:30

From what I remember did McIntyre not come on as a late substitute against Clyde. He was only for a few minutes and he got injured, I don't think that he played again.

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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 22:25

No, he played as a late sub in the 3rd game he took charge of.

He then played some part in just about every game for the rest of the 07/08 season.

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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 22:46

Tbh let’s stop comparing to what happened 10 years ago and focus on our position now…..

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 22:55

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EEP, Tue 31 Aug 22:46

Tbh let’s stop comparing to what happened 10 years ago and focus on our position now…..


Bottom of the league?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 07:17

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Parsweep, Tue 31 Aug 20:18

For what it's worth GG .
I picked you up wrongly as well .
Apologies .


No worries, mate. It's easily done. I've misinterpreted quite a few posts in my time. It's different when you're speaking to someone face to face. You can see their expressions and read their body language.



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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 07:33

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It was the players who weren't trying a leg for him that were the frauds. Players forget that they are not only playing for a manager, but also for the fans that pay their wages.




Nope, unsurprisingly managers matter, if the players were going to play to there best capability we wouldn't bother paying one and instead we'd hold a weekly competition to be in charge for the week.
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Topic Originator: CrossPar  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 08:07

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Grant, Wed 1 Sep 07:33

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CrossPar, Tue 31 Aug 18:48

It was the players who weren't trying a leg for him that were the frauds. Players forget that they are not only playing for a manager, but also for the fans that pay their wages.




Nope, unsurprisingly managers matter, if the players were going to play to there best capability we wouldn't bother paying one and instead we'd hold a weekly competition to be in charge for the week.


Get real Grant. If the players step on that pitch and have decided to down tools, there is little the manager can do about it.
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Topic Originator: DBA  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 18:54

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CrossPar, Wed 1 Sep 08:07

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Grant, Wed 1 Sep 07:33

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CrossPar, Tue 31 Aug 18:48

It was the players who weren't trying a leg for him that were the frauds. Players forget that they are not only playing for a manager, but also for the fans that pay their wages.




Nope, unsurprisingly managers matter, if the players were going to play to there best capability we wouldn't bother paying one and instead we'd hold a weekly competition to be in charge for the week.


Get real Grant. If the players step on that pitch and have decided to down tools, there is little the manager can do about it.


It's surely a sign of a bad manager if that happens though? Especially when half of them have been his signings.
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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 16:10

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Grant, Wed 1 Sep 07:33

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CrossPar, Tue 31 Aug 18:48

It was the players who weren't trying a leg for him that were the frauds. Players forget that they are not only playing for a manager, but also for the fans that pay their wages.




Nope, unsurprisingly managers matter, if the players were going to play to there best capability we wouldn't bother paying one and instead we'd hold a weekly competition to be in charge for the week.


Get real Grant. If the players step on that pitch and have decided to down tools, there is little the manager can do about it.



OK, and why would the players do that?
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 16:45

CrossPar is bang on.

Kenny’s campaign was a poor one, but the majority of the blame I put on certain players in that squad than Kenny himself.

Some of the players spat their dummy out and quite frankly were a disgrace and they knew sooner or later they’d get what they want with Kenny ousted.

I’d have him back, give him a fair crack with his own players than the guff he was left behind with.
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Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 17:22

The players then we`re on fortunes, our ` injury list` come October was grim.

I don`t think the players now are downing tools for a second, they are just being played in unusual positions ..

If they are downing tools 1/where will they go next 2/ how will they afford to live.

They are here to further their career, if not, next stop is Airdrie, which won`t be much above the minimum wage.

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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 17:32

We're in serious danger of relegation if Grant stays.

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Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 20:11

This needs sorted now. The way covid is going and us rooted to the foot of the table we could go down just based on those games alone. Points and quicker the better as far as I am concerned. We need off the bottom as priority or it`s going to set us back year`s. So the board need to think long and hard about what the actual hell is going on inside EEP as i am not convinced now it is only the football side that`s contributing to our overall performance.

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Topic Originator: Foghorn Leghorn  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 21:10

We could get a few COVID results go our way and we’re right back in the mix.
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 21:37

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Polt, Fri 3 Sep 20:11

This needs sorted now. The way covid is going and us rooted to the foot of the table we could go down just based on those games alone. Points and quicker the better as far as I am concerned. We need off the bottom as priority or it`s going to set us back year`s. So the board need to think long and hard about what the actual hell is going on inside EEP as i am not convinced now it is only the football side that`s contributing to our overall performance.


We have played 3 games.

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Topic Originator: LEGEND85  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 22:05

Aye we've only played 3 league games and been terrible in all 3.

Offered nothing against St-Mirren and made an absolute fool of us at Ibrox.

Yes we won 3 games in the Cup but 2 of those should have been a given

The overall performance has been terrible and that's the most disappointing thing
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 22:07

It's simple for me i will not step foot inside East End Park while Grant is still manager
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 22:13

What if we win 5 in a row and are playing like Ajax in the mid-90s?

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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 22:23

There is more chance of me having sex with Margot Robbie than there is of us winning 5 games in a row
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 22:43

I'm not making a prediction that it will happen - it's just daft to say you won't be back whilst whoever is in charge.

Can't argue with your taste in women, however.

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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 23:10

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dafc-chris1, Fri 3 Sep 22:23

There is more chance of me having sex with Margot Robbie than there is of us winning 5 games in a row


No idea who she is but I desperately hope we win the next 5 so I can ask you if it was all you hoped it would be 🤪

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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 23:21

watch the Wolf of Wall Street and try to keep your tongue in your beak.

I think a decision might have to be made at the end of the month, assuming no improvement?



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Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 04:27

Aye Parrot played 3 games and if we don`t get any points on the board in next few weeks we could find ourselves adrift and unable to recover. Then the high risk covid disrupts the league. We could find ourselves in Div 1 yet again. It doesn`t look like there is anything at all going for us if we keep brushing things aside and burying our head in the sand.

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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 08:25

3 games is a bit early to panic, and my head isnt in the sand I can assure you. Thats the wrong bird. Clouds maybe 😉

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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 08:55

Don’t think personally I’d panic, the way we’ve been the last few years my interest and reaction to Pars not doing well has waned, not to a level with the Scottish National Team where I don’t expect us to achieve much of anything, but it’s certainly going down that road.

It’s not just three games either, the run in the cup wasn’t as convincing as being made out.

Firstly, preseason matches weren’t great, we drew with the Civil Service Strollers and Spartans, let that sink in, pre-season or not, that is shocking. You’d think after being out of action for a while, new manager fresh start regardless of the opposition we’d be up for it, 2-2.

We just brushed over that at the time as just a fitness exercise, still need people in, nothing to worry about but maybe more in that than we thought.

Partick Thistle first game in the cup, were getting battered initially, whilst we won comfortably on paper we could have been 4 down ourselves. That should have been an initial red flag on the formation piece but the way the second half went maybe clouded our judgement as when it works, it clearly works.

Dumbarton, a team savaged by COVID, came out of it really well, played fantastic, but how much can you read into it really, we also still managed to concede a goal.

St Mirren arguably the most frustrating, we did absolutely nothing in that game, literally can’t think of a shot, yet Grant praised us for our ball retention first half and how we played, that was worrying because despite having the ball there was no creativity, did naff all with it and St Mirren never got out of first gear, absolutely cruised it.

Stenhousemuir, we actually in my opinion started a little slower and weren’t at the races initially, grew into it 4-1, another goal conceded.

Then to Morton, first league game of the season, come on the Pars! Feck sake Morton on top for most of the first half and take the lead, we rode our luck at times as well, did well getting back into the game then lost the lead to an unfortunate goal but again red flags on formation.

Partick, first fixture for my boy, they had us in their back pockets all game, bossed it, we didn’t play well at all and fully deserved their 3-0.

Arbroath, now look I expected a close game, despite what some folk may think they are a good team and Dick Campbell for me has done an exceptional job there but come on…3-0 defeat at home, abysmal.

It’s not just the results, it’s the performances, we have never performed well when it mattered.

Signings - Mehmet, the worst keeper I have ever seen at the club, for those that disagree please share who’s worse and what Mehmet has done to date to be better, that goal alone against Arbroath was absolutely criminal. Writing was on the wall for that given recent mistakes but he still kept his spot when OFW, the Welsh international, that posters on here were desperate to get rid of sat on the bench, be careful what you wish for.

We signed Dan Pybus….ffs.

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 Re: Peter Grant OUT!
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 09:02

Dorrans looks like he’s out for another payday, his biggest payday was the unnecessary back-hander he got from Rangers.

He then plays Comrie, excellent RB at CB, Edwards much improved LB at LWB. Thomas, devastating on wing in form, central midfield.

There’s enough there for me to say it’s not too early, he’s lost the fans, rumours he’s losing the dressing room but hey, our target is winning the league and his credentials apparently blows everyone else out the water…

Give me a break.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 10:13

I'd be very very surprised if football leagues were cancelled like they were the season before last. That's one of your worries out the way POLT

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Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 11:24

Just hope he admits he isn't up to par and walks this month before we have to pay him off. Absolute Diddy of a manager. His insistence of playing Dorrans and Graham whenever available is shocking. 2 year deals for Dorrans and Mehmet is insane and the board are equally to blame for allowing this to happen. I'd be headhunting a new manager ASAP

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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 12:05

The best we looked all season was the 15 minutes at the rovers, I'm pinning my hopes on Jones being the missing part of the puzzle, I know it was only a sixth of a match but that is the only time this season that the team looked like a team that knew what they were doing.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 12:06

I was hoping the lack of a match this weekend would give us some respite from this. Is there really anything new to say? I can`t se PG falling on his sword though.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 13:52

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wee eck, Sat 4 Sep 12:06

I was hoping the lack of a match this weekend would give us some respite from this. Is there really anything new to say? I can`t se PG falling on his sword though.


No way. He had us lose 3-0 AGAIN. Mehmet didn't even get a hand to the ball and the whole team appeared to be AWOL as Elgin swept us aside without even breaking a sweat.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 14:13

Maybe just enjoy the weekend
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Topic Originator: gegganpar  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 19:48

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Berry, Sat 4 Sep 08:55

Don’t think personally I’d panic, the way we’ve been the last few years my interest and reaction to Pars not doing well has waned, not to a level with the Scottish National Team where I don’t expect us to achieve much of anything, but it’s certainly going down that road.

It’s not just three games either, the run in the cup wasn’t as convincing as being made out.

Firstly, preseason matches weren’t great, we drew with the Civil Service Strollers and Spartans, let that sink in, pre-season or not, that is shocking. You’d think after being out of action for a while, new manager fresh start regardless of the opposition we’d be up for it, 2-2.

We just brushed over that at the time as just a fitness exercise, still need people in, nothing to worry about but maybe more in that than we thought.

Partick Thistle first game in the cup, were getting battered initially, whilst we won comfortably on paper we could have been 4 down ourselves. That should have been an initial red flag on the formation piece but the way the second half went maybe clouded our judgement as when it works, it clearly works.

Dumbarton, a team savaged by COVID, came out of it really well, played fantastic, but how much can you read into it really, we also still managed to concede a goal.

St Mirren arguably the most frustrating, we did absolutely nothing in that game, literally can’t think of a shot, yet Grant praised us for our ball retention first half and how we played, that was worrying because despite having the ball there was no creativity, did naff all with it and St Mirren never got out of first gear, absolutely cruised it.

Stenhousemuir, we actually in my opinion started a little slower and weren’t at the races initially, grew into it 4-1, another goal conceded.

Then to Morton, first league game of the season, come on the Pars! Feck sake Morton on top for most of the first half and take the lead, we rode our luck at times as well, did well getting back into the game then lost the lead to an unfortunate goal but again red flags on formation.

Partick, first fixture for my boy, they had us in their back pockets all game, bossed it, we didn’t play well at all and fully deserved their 3-0.

Arbroath, now look I expected a close game, despite what some folk may think they are a good team and Dick Campbell for me has done an exceptional job there but come on…3-0 defeat at home, abysmal.

It’s not just the results, it’s the performances, we have never performed well when it mattered.

Signings - Mehmet, the worst keeper I have ever seen at the club, for those that disagree please share who’s worse and what Mehmet has done to date to be better, that goal alone against Arbroath was absolutely criminal. Writing was on the wall for that given recent mistakes but he still kept his spot when OFW, the Welsh international, that posters on here were desperate to get rid of sat on the bench, be careful what you wish

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Topic Originator: gegganpar  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 19:54

Sorry I don't know what went wrong with my last post 😬
Not sticking up for Mehmet but JIM WILL IS THE WORST KEEPER EVER!

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Topic Originator: CrossPar  
Date:   Sun 5 Sep 17:21

My vote goes to Chris Smith.
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sun 5 Sep 17:54

Chris Smith was the first I could think of but even Mehmet smashes him in the category in my opinion.
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