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 Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: dave67  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 20:04

Scotland 2 goals down in less than 15 minutes


It`s gonna be a loooooooooonnnnng night

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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 20:05

Scotland playing like the pars no organisation ,and so slow
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 20:15

First time ever I’ve just switched it off. Every time I stay up late to watch Scotland I regret it the next day. We are not improving at all. Aye we scraped into the euros through the back door inside empty stadiums but the team let the country down big time. Unless you’re one of the “at least we didn’t get beat by England” types. Best pool of players for decades and we are still bafflingly bad.

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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 20:19

Ryan Fraser can't cut it at this level. Team is topsy turvy which I know is understandable.
I'll take 4-0 at this point.

Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 20:32

Hanley and Mclean are brutal ,their passing game is far superior ,we have not had 1 shot at goal
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 20:38

Utterly depressed with the football at the minute . Guys that are earning money you could only ever dream of constantly letting you down . I’m getting very close to chucking it altogether.
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 20:39

Not even 1 attempt on goal

Depressing stuff

I'm with you on that serge

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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 20:41

This is just as bad as watching the Pars
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 20:42

Yes,it's all getting very depressing. Think I will have another gin.
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: Parsweep  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 20:56

Ireland leading at half time in Portugal . Makes you wonder . What have almost every other nation got that we haven't .
It's like everyone's moved on and we're just left miles behind .
It doesn't even bother me any more that we're crap .

Bobvo
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 21:03

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Parsweep, Wed 1 Sep 20:56

Ireland leading at half time in Portugal . Makes you wonder . What have almost every other nation got that we haven't .
It's like everyone's moved on and we're just left miles behind .
It doesn't even bother me any more that we're crap .


The only team Ireland have beat in the last 12 months is Andorra. They're just as sh1te as us

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"

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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 21:06

Yeah, but they did get a run in the world cup that I can remember

Don't mind not winning all the time, don't mind being crap.. But only if we get sunbathing protest to cheer once in a while
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 21:22

I`ve just switched the wireless on and I`m hearing much much better from Scotland and hope for the future ?

We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 21:28

Don't come on .net looking for a rational objective viewpoint

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 21:29

As much as I like Robertson ,He must have the worst recird for wins as a captain ,anyone know the answer
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 21:44

As long as that,better future script,gets trotted out,we are screwed.Get real ,and get a team with back bone.
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: doctordandruff  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 21:44

Clarke's list of teams he has beaten without a penalty shoot out is an embarrassment. He is utterly useless.

But his mates at the SFA have extended his contract to ensure when he is sacked he gets a decent payout. Just like McLeish.

Scotland, no matter how bad, we're known as an aggressive team. Now that is gone as everyone stands back trying to work out where they should be and what they should be doing.

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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 21:45

Poor Stephen Kenny!
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 21:52

Clarke got the tactics wrong in the first half but Tierney has an absolute howler letting his man go and we go 1-0 down. The second goal was a case of us getting outclassed . Tbf Clarke changes it second half and we get closer to them with far more dig and desire. Gilmour was outstanding in the 2nd half.
Look at some of the horse manure we have to choose from . Ryan Fraser ? Utterly rotten.
I actually think we made them look quite ordinary in the 2nd half and obviously We need a quality striker.
Is Nisbet genuinely that much better than Dykes or Adams? I’m not so sure.

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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: Hay Fever  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 22:03

Agree Sergio but if Ryan Fraser was rank what was Kenny McLean? Really an embarrassing performance for so called Premier league player🤡

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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 22:10

Was he playing HayFever ?
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: Hay Fever  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 22:26

Exactly 😂

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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 22:38

Does anyone know if Steve Clarke submitted a CV before he was appointed as Scotland manager?

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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 22:39

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wee eck, Wed 1 Sep 22:38

Does anyone know if Steve Clarke submitted a CV before he was appointed as Scotland manager?


Dinnae ffs my sides are jist stopping aching.

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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 22:45

No idea, but it would have been a far better CV than Peter Grant decided not to put in. Do you think PG was holding out for the Scotland job? If Mackay is in there somewhere, why not.

Clark is mediocrity writ large. Not average, which is no disgrace, but mediocre. He celebrates what is substandard and is therefore probably as good a manager as Scotland can offer at the present time. We have lost our feel for the game and structural change is needed: urgently.

sammer
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 22:58

I agree with previous posters about Kenny McLean…no where near good enough but Ryan Fraser ?

Sure he had a poor first half….they all did but he was one of our better players in the second half and has been one of our better players for some time now.

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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 23:02

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desparado, Wed 1 Sep 22:58

I agree with previous posters about Kenny McLean…no where near good enough but Ryan Fraser ?

Sure he had a poor first half….they all did but he was one of our better players in the second half and has been one of our better players for some time now.


Agree
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 23:09

Has Kenny McLean not long come back from a fairly serious injury. ?




It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 23:33

Yeah, that`s why he missed the Euros. He wouldn`t have played if McTominay/Armstrong/McGinn had been available.

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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Thu 2 Sep 00:22

I didn’t see the game so am only relying on highlights from youtube. On that basis the score could easily have been 4-0 to Denmark, The first goal there was one Scottish defender playing three Danish players onside from an telegraphed cross, one of whom got the jump on Tierney which was not so difficult since he was goal side of the Scot. The second goal was well taken but if a team defends inside the penalty area from open play it is the sort of thing that happens. Both goals looked like they belonged in lower league football.

We talk about Peter Grant playing people out of position but neither Tierney nor Robertson, two of our strongest players, were in their strongest positions. If playing Robertson at right back is a sign of a tactical coach then we might be better off with less in the way of tactics.

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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Thu 2 Sep 01:25

In fairness to Clarke he changed it at half time and it was a much improved second half .
Peter Grant references are irrelevant.
Just asking for a pile on.
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 2 Sep 08:50

Maybe we should accept that we are average / mediocre, both at club and international level ?
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: Parsfangaz  
Date:   Thu 2 Sep 09:51

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veteraneastender, Thu 02 Sep 08:50

Maybe we should accept that we are average / mediocre, both at club and international level ?


I’d suggest our start to the Championship for a club of our size is well below average.
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 2 Sep 17:40

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Parsfangaz, Thu 02 Sep 09:51

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veteraneastender, Thu 02 Sep 08:50

Maybe we should accept that we are average / mediocre, both at club and international level ?


I’d suggest our start to the Championship for a club of our size is well below average.


I’m meaning top club level in Scotland in respect of the national team.
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Thu 2 Sep 19:31

Topic Originator: veteraneastender like | nolike
Date: Thu 2 Sep 08:50

Maybe we should accept that we are average / mediocre, both at club and international level ?

I think that is spot on vee .. sooner or later we have to accept it
I am lucky in that I probably saw the best Scotland teams and players back in the day
We have gone backwards and Countries similar in size/population to us have progressed

We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Thu 2 Sep 19:35

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SergioDuarte, Thu 02 Sep 01:25

In fairness to Clarke he changed it at half time and it was a much improved second half .
Peter Grant references are irrelevant.
Just asking for a pile on.


True but really how much of that is down to Denmark sitting back and chilling knowing they have a couple of other games coming up.

Wouldn’t read anything into a more positive second half.
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Thu 2 Sep 19:37

Agree buspasspar. Watched,great Scottish teams in early days.Management,and player's are going backwards. Too cautious, and too much respect to the opposition. Players are not allowed to express themselves, and are tied down with stifling tactics.Worrying,about playing Moldova? Give us piece ! Plus look at the wage comparison, since the late 60s and 70 ,80s.Players are pampered now.Can you see,the great kenny, doing zonal Marking?

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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 2 Sep 23:04

We qualified for the Euros through the consolation prize route and could only manage that on penalties.

One goal in three games in the Euro group - but a nil nil draw at Wembley gave temporary relief before Croatia played us off the park.

When was the last time Scotland actually beat anybody of a decent standard ?
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Thu 2 Sep 23:09

The quality of Scottish football is horrendous, just need to accept it, this is our standard.
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 Re: Denmark v Scotland
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Thu 2 Sep 23:09

Too cautious I agree. But zonal marking is the fashion these days, with a `sweeper keeper` as back up, although it cost Scotland two goals against Denmark last night. Steve Clarke is astute I am sure, but not a man to think outside of the box. He is wedded to mediocrity yet he could be the high priest of limited football if he had the nerve. I think he lacks nerve.

We are short on quality, that is obvious. But so were Greece when they won the Euros. They had a German coach who was prepared to play man to man bastard marking dint of muscular defenders and a sweeper behind. He had quick overlapping full backs and a centre forward who could actually header the ball (a rare quality these days.) One talented midfielder as I recall. No rocket science required, just practical football for a limited team.

That would be a start at least. If Clarke thinks we can play a possession game he is deluded. Every team in Europe will either play us off the park or nullify us at best. It`s been like that since Portugal put 5 past Roxburgh and Morocco put 3 past Craig Brown and nothing has changed. This is 30 years of failure and no one has been called to account.

sammer
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