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 PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: Johanisk  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 11:38

I wasn`t particularly excited when PG was appointed but when he started making signings I don`t think I was the only one that started looking forward to the season kicking off.

It`s been dreadful (that`s putting it kindly and also understating the obvious) and in many ways it`s brought out the worst in people. In my opinion, nobody involved with the club, should have to deal with the level of abuse and bad vibes that have been directed towards players and the dugout at times.

I listened to the PG post-QOS audio and he truly sounds like a beaten man. I feel sorry for him and I worry for the mental state of anyone who finds themselves under all of that pressure. He`s patently the wrong man for the job and completely out of his depth but surely we`ve all been in situations (work, relationships, whatever) where no matter how bad it gets, it just seems impossible to walk away.

Best thing that could happen to PG is for him to be sacked. I don`t know who we could get to take over but I think we`ll turn things around enough to stay up. I also think you`re only ever 5 straight wins away from getting back into play-off contention but maybe I`m being too positive. At the moment, with PG in the job, we`ll be lucky to get 5 wins all season!

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: Ronaldo  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 12:15


A fair, balanced - and compassionate - perspective, Johanisk. Thanks for posting it.

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 12:18

If he somehow keeps his job for the Killie game, I truly hope the team find some form, play well and win the game. Same with the Thistle game and the others after.

I don`t quite get the "I`m not going back until he`s sacked" psyche - unless you`re a Ross County fan or in a similar situation.

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: Ladswell_Thistle  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 12:32

He's also free to walk anytime. Especially if he realises himself that he should be sacked. Even more so with the interview and how he sounds.



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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: Toddyrov  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 12:39

The reason people won’t want to go back is because we look hopeless the now. I was about to travel to Dumfries Saturday and thankfully I chose not too. I’ll most likely be at the killie game but can’t blame anyone who decides against it.

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 12:41

No manager worth his salt would resign unless it was for personal, family, health reasons etc. If he doesn`t believe he can turn things round he shouldn`t be involved in professional football.

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 12:43

"The reason people won’t want to go back is because we look hopeless the now"

I get that. It`s not what I am saying though.

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 12:44

Might have been more aimed at Ladswell's post?

Really good OP.
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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 12:47

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wee eck, Tue 5 Oct 12:41

No manager worth his salt would resign unless it was for personal, family, health reasons etc. If he doesn`t believe he can turn things round he shouldn`t be involved in professional football.


Not only that but he will be potentially walking away from a lot of cash I would imagine we will contractually be due to him if he is sacked. Not many people in any walk of life would do that
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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: nick_dafc1  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 13:14

PG didn't do himself any favours with all this talk of winning the league is all that is acceptable. Want to win every game and entertain the fans.

The board appointed him for his style of football with Alloa, he has even given up on that now
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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: Dafc1996  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 14:03

No one in this day and age would walk away from a job, that includes PG, the situation is dire at the moment, as he clearly says he won`t quit but knows the consequences of not getting results on a Saturday... Its now up to our board to decide if he can turn this absolute shambles around or not... Clearly there`s a few on here including me failing to see any glimmer of light at a long dark tunnel.
If this keeps going the gates on a Saturday will drop.... Fans will protest and revenue will fall... Am sure our board does not want any of this or in fact any of current situation.
We are rock bottom now with points beginning to get in between us and the next team above us and for me I can only see the gap getting worse and the situation at East end getting worse.
Our new owners need to get it right here and do what needs done and show they are here to not only improve us a club but that they are in fact able to make one decision that seems beyond them just now and that is sack the manager as clearly PG and all his title winning waffling isnt working and clearly won`t work, things clearly aren`t working on and off the park and they need to do the right thing and get rid of PG now and use the international break to interview and find the right man for the job, we need a clear out and that includes backroom staff as well so the new man can bring his own backroom staff and save our season, as it stands just now if they continue with what we have relegation looks like the only outcome.

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 14:51

I suppose for a Pars fan of a few decades standing, or any football fan for that matter, hope springs eternal. We are all suffering from the initial realisation that the first aim of being right up there with the league leaders and contending for automatic promotion seems to have evaporated by the beginning of October. Emotions run high after surprising losses and inept performances and we resolve not to return until everything in the garden is rosy again. But then we have a short respite due to the International break and the next game looms on the horizon. Kilmarnock at home!!! And we think, maybe we can win that one. Raith beat them last time out and fortune, with dodgy offside decisions, hasn`t done us any favours, maybe this will be the beginning of a renaissance. I think I will go to the game after all.

The drive in from the west, the lovely walk up through the Glen and into the heart of the town, a spot of lunch and a coffee before skirting past the Carnegie Hall and into the park and then the floodlights come into view and the heart begins to pound a little harder. I`m going to see the Pars, we`re going to win today. What a brilliant day out. Can`t wait.

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 15:37

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wee eck, Tue 5 Oct 12:41

No manager worth his salt would resign unless it was for personal, family, health reasons etc. If he doesn`t believe he can turn things round he shouldn`t be involved in professional football.


It's very noble of you to omit that any manager who voluntarily resigns automatically turns his back on any compensation written into his contract.



Not your average Sunday League player.
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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 16:09

Wee Peter didn`t get where he is today by ignoring the sound advice of his personal financial accountant. No way will he walk without a handout.

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 16:23

It's just not living in the real world to ignore the financial side of things.

"Oh hello Mrs Grant, I actually decided to quit my job after a few months and we have no income and I'm basically unemployable for a wee while, at least on the same level anyway. But the good news is, my moral compass will now be reflected better in the eyes of a few hundred people who are giving me dogs abuse online"

Hyperbole aside I do have sympathy on a human level as well. We've all been in situations where stuff just isn't working out and you're trying your best. It must be absolutely rotten to add the fact you're in the public eye into that mix.
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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 17:14

Managing Dunfermline is still a big gig right? I think it is so people like Crawford and Grant are going to jump at it, you can’t blame them…what an opportunity.

The issue is the vetting that’s done (or lack of) by the board before offering them the job.

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 17:26

Crawford took over at a time when the team was playing very poorly and with a bunch of players he and Shields couldn't work with. He changed the team, had us competing for the playoffs before Covid ended the season and then we made the playoffs in his one fill season.

We started that season better then we ended but it's unfair to put him in the same bracket as Grant. It wasn't a roaring success but it wasn't an abject disaster either.

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 17:29

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DA-go Par Adonis, Tue 05 Oct 17:26

Crawford took over at a time when the team was playing very poorly and with a bunch of players he and Shields couldn't work with. He changed the team, had us competing for the playoffs before Covid ended the season and then we made the playoffs in his one fill season.

We started that season better then we ended but it's unfair to put him in the same bracket as Grant. It wasn't a roaring success but it wasn't an abject disaster either.


I agree with that. Put him in the same category as Grant on the basis of initial recruitment all SC had on his CV as manager was a failed gig at EF.
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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 17:34

Crawford done just fine, I doubt he was ever going to get us promoted but he left us in a fair better place than what he came to us in.

Not bad, not absolutely amazing, just pretty O.K. If we wanted to progress we did need another manager, however he was lightyears ahead of Grant.
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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: QPR_Par  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 18:08

Peter Grant resigned when he was manager at Norwich.
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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: Johanisk  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 18:30

I wonder what SC is up to right now?😁

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 18:39

Quote:

Johanisk, Tue 05 Oct 18:30

I wonder what SC is up to right now?😁


Reading .net and COWS thinking thank god it isn’t me.
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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 19:57

Is Grant actually picking the team?
It seemed bizarre that he stuck so long with a back three including Mehmet and Graham when it was leaking goals. Was he being strongly advised by Meggle to play this style? The style he had promised the directors he would play when appointed?
Is Grant being kept on as a lightning conductor when things go wrong so that Meggle can play team manager?

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 21:13

Brian Clough quote on tactics

Players lose you games, not tactics. There's so much crap talked about tactics by people who barely know how to win at dominoes”
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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 21:17

Okay. So Grant was picking two players who were losing him games every week and took the best part of a month to change the team. Why were Mehmet and Graham being picked? Was Grant picking them under duress?

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 21:52

I`ve got no sympathy for him. He admits that he understands why he might be sacked, i.e. he knows he`s not fulfilled the expectations of him. So where does he get the idea that he can possibly turn things around? How long d`you give a guy to make good on his claims. I`d give him an ultimatum - deliver an absolute minimum of 5 points from the next four games, otherwise it`s over.

And the `I won`t quit` bit isn`t because he won`t give up the fight - as others readily admit - he won`t give up the cash. He`s not thinking of the club and what the club needs, he`s thinking of numero uno. If I was managing a business and I had staff and they were underperforming - it`d be down to me to get them working properly. With him the buck stops elsewhere. Look at Steve Bruce - on his interview after MOD highlights, he said, (like) ` when we lose or underperform, the first thing I think is - could I have done more?` (I imagine some specialist training, more one-to-one etc). So far I`ve only heard Grant pass the buck. He`s satisfied that he gives 100% and couldn`t do more. Well if he can`t do more than he`s done already, it`ll never be enough. Hence - no sympathy from me.



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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 21:55

"And the `I won`t quit` bit isn`t because he won`t give up the fight - as others readily admit - he won`t give up the cash. He`s not thinking of the club and what the club needs, he`s thinking of numero uno"

That`s your own made up scenario. It`s fair enough to be angry that he`s not been fired, but you`ve no idea of his mindset. I`ve not seen much of Peter Grant doubting his own ability as a coach.

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 22:01

So what if he doesn`t doubt his own ability as a coach? Maybe he`d better start doubting it. Are you telling me you believe Grant`s hype of himself?

As if the cash has nothing to do with it. Have you heard him say `I won`t quit and if you sack me I`ll waive compo ?`



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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 22:18

What`s my opinion of Grant`s abilities got to do with it?

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 22:27

It`s not your opinion of his abilities. It`s your idea that the reason he won`t quit is because he`s certain of his abilities as a coach, and believes he can turn things round.

As you say, I don`t know his mindset but, `I won`t quit` sure sounds to me very much like, `you`ll have to sack me and pay compo.`

I think we`ll find out soon anyway.

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 22:29

Then why are you asking if I believe his hype?

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 23:08

It was rhetorical. It`s hard to believe you think that because you`ve `not seen much of him doubting his own ability,` I made up a scenario.

If we take `I won`t quit`(- by implication: under any circumstances -) to me that`s clear evidence that he`s not thinking of the club`s best interests.



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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 23:24

I`ve literally no idea what you`re talking about.

To put it simply, I think Grant believes that he can turn it around. I don`t think he`s refusing to resign purely because he wants a pay-off.

I don`t think he will turn it around.

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Tue 5 Oct 23:56

How involved is this Meggle clown in team selections ? There does seem something off about the whole thing .
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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Wed 6 Oct 01:33

Ref:DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Tue 5 Oct 23:24

" I`ve literally no idea what you`re talking about. "

Strange that, I thought you were doing fine.

Of course Grant`s not refusing to resign purely to get a pay-off. But who gives a flying Fukushima squirrel for his reputation. He`s gonna cost us a packet. That`s the main issue.

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 Re: PG Sympathy
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Wed 6 Oct 07:59

I'm simply saying there's plenty to be p155ed off about with results, the manager staying, the board statement etc.

Getting extra angry because you've decided that Grant knows he can't do the job, knows he won't turn it round, but won't leave isn't particularly healthy.

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