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 Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 18:31

Seen a few posts on Twitter and Facebook with alluding to this and it's fair scunnered me.

Absolutely nothing excuses an attack over football, not one thing. But for it to be against one of the people who were absolutely pivotal in saving the club? Shame on whoever done it, disgraceful.
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: davepars  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 18:48

The fact he is making a right Jeremy Hunt of it just now shouldn`t take away from any of the magnificent work done in the past to save the club.

Shameful

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 18:50

Well said Grant.

Some of our fans are an absolute embarrassment to the club and to themselves.

Scum

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 18:51

It's OK apparently. It's just passion..
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 18:57

Going by the Pars community Facebook page, directors cars have been targeted.




To say that's an absolute disgrace still wouldn't come close to how abhorrent that is.
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:00

F@nnies

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Adundeemonkey  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:05

Have to be pondlife to attack Ross McArthur. He`ll hold his hands up he hasn`t gotten every decision right, but christ some of our fans have short memories.

He and the Board helped save this club and have put far more time at their own expense to guide the club back to stability than the fannies having a go at him.

Its tuff being a Par but we love it!
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: The Toun Clock  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:10

Aye I`m far from happy with how things are going but Ross McCarthur is a decent bloke, always happy to have a chat any time there`s been a chance. Still remember not long after he took over, we were all helping paint the changing rooms prior to pre-season and there was Ross, sleeves up mucking in.

I`ve read the rumours on Facebook and it is disgraceful.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: steaua  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:10

Absolutely disgusted at this. He is Pars through and through and put a fair whack of money into the club when we so needed it. I have never known anything so despicable in all the years I have been a Pars fan. Ross is a decent person and doesn`t deserve this treatment .

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: ParsAreTheLoveOfMyLife  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:14

Has this been confirmed or is it just trouble makers on social media making up pihs?
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:18

I'd like to add my disgust and contempt for the cowardly morons responsible for this. Ross will hold his hand up and admit that, with the benfit of hindsight, he's made mistakes during his time as Chairman, but he's also done so much behind the scenes to rebuild the reputation of a club left in tatters by the previous owner.

It would be brilliant if this thread was even longer than the one criticising him for the Board Statement.



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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:21

This has become really toxic.
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: 1985Par  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:24

So that`s what you get for condemning the actions of a few abusive fans and not sacking a manager 4 months into a 2 year contract.

The culmination of the utterly gormless hysteria whipped up on here and social media over the last 48 hours.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:25

Shameful and they’re not welcome at our club.

I hope Ross and his family are ok.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:25

Quote:

ParsAreTheLoveOfMyLife, Thu 7 Oct 19:14

Has this been confirmed or is it just trouble makers on social media making up pihs?



What are you wanting like, video evidence?


The people posting on Facebook have no reason to lie and are well known as good, honest blokes.
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:26

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buffy, Thu 7 Oct 19:25

Shameful and they’re not welcome at our club.

I hope Ross and his family are ok.



If they can be identified I'd wholeheartedly back banning orders from EEP.
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:29

If this is true I hope the offender is found and dealt with harshly. Vile, cowardly behaviour.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: livipar2  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:33

Absolutely appalling. These people are beyond contempt.

Mon the Pars!!!!!!!!!!!
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:36

Change of tune from you Grant !

In recent days this whole episode has been very embarrassing for everybody, too many anonymous keyboard warriers


It has been heartening to see quite a few sensible posters on the forum but too many attacking these sensible people

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:37

Quote:

livipar2, Thu 7 Oct 19:33

Absolutely appalling. These people are beyond contempt.


I don't have Facebook. Are these regrettable incidents alleged to have taken place on Saturday after the game or in the days after it?



Not your average Sunday League player.
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: 1985Par  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:38

"If this is true I hope the offender is found and dealt with harshly. Vile, cowardly behaviour."

Don`t worry Never10yairds. Once Ross dusts himself down he`ll maybe be able to give you the apology you feel you are owed.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:41

Sadly, this is all getting out of hand.

No-one bar the ignorant perpetrators will approve of attacks on our directors or their property, but this is the (almost) inevitable consequence of some of the stuff that has been appearing online - words result in actions, and there are clearly some people who think that extreme words support extreme action. There`s apparently a recent Twitter post trying to set up a protest at the Kilmarnock match - it refers to the club being run by "egotistical, vitriolic charlatans" and demands that Ross McArthur "apologise for your disgraceful statement and leave EEP forever."

Expressing an opinion is fine, but everyone needs to dial down the intensity of the rhetoric, and try to come together with the single aim of improving the fortunes of DAFC - we`ve come a long way since 2013 but we are now entering very dangerous waters, and throwing the captain overboard won`t help..

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:41

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:42

It would be great if everyone posting on this thread limited themselves to commenting on the (alleged) attacks on the BoD's property, instead of descending into a puerile, points scoring exercise.



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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:43

Quote:

brian, Thu 7 Oct 19:36

Change of tune from you Grant !


What?
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: dave67  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:44

If anybody knows the culprits.

Please report them. Absolutely no need for this sort of behaviour

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: dover par  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:45

Somebody put a nail in Ross’s tyre outside Eep,I was discussed when I heard that.No need for personal attacks,hope these idiots get called out.

"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing."

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:49

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dover par, Thu 7 Oct 19:45

Somebody put a nail in Ross’s tyre outside Eep,I was discussed when I heard that.No need for personal attacks,hope these idiots get called out.



Didn't know it was outside EEP, hopefully we have CCTV covering that.
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: the saline hill puma  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:49

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dover par, Thu 7 Oct 19:45

Somebody put a nail in Ross’s tyre outside Eep,I was discussed when I heard that.No need for personal attacks,hope these idiots get called out.


If that's the case it will be on cctv they have at the stadium I assume.
Hopefully the twats are caught
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 19:56

"Are these regrettable incidents alleged to have taken place on Saturday after the game or in the days after it?"

Sunday for one? the other after Tuesday was it? someone else can confirm

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 20:04

Quote:

Grant, Thu 7 Oct 19:43

Quote:

brian, Thu 7 Oct 19:36

Change of tune from you Grant !


What?


Two completely different scenarios, Brian. No wonder Grant is baffled. He's very upset about the statement the Board put out, but he's equally angry about the attacks on our Chairman.

I'm sure the two are mutually exclusive.



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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 20:12

Agree with GG Brian. 2 completely different actions.

Just because people disagree with the statement there is no need to suggest that personal assault or destruction of property is acceptable.

Comments like yours only go to inflame the discussion.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 20:13

Perhaps the saddest day in my Pars life .. If what I am reading is true

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 20:15

I condemn this behaviour and it is completely unacceptable but it was the board who stoked up this fire with that horrendous statement
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 20:17

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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 20:22

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Mr D.A  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 20:24

The statement came after the attacks.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 20:25

I have my issues with RM and the board but if the rumours are true about being spat at and damage to his car I have every sympathy. Despite my differences I can’t condone any of that. We have our disagreements but it’s no excuse to do hateful stuff like this.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 20:27

Quote:

dafc-chris1, Thu 7 Oct 20:15

I condemn this behaviour and it is completely unacceptable but it was the board who stoked up this fire with that horrendous statement


Sounds like the spitting incident was prior to the meeting.

Regardless, there's no 'but' in this - even if it had been after.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: alwaysaPar  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 20:27

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brian, Thu 7 Oct 19:36

Change of tune from you Grant !

In recent days this whole episode has been very embarrassing for everybody, too many anonymous keyboard warriers


It has been heartening to see quite a few sensible posters on the forum but too many attacking these sensible people


Another personal attack on a poster from someone who is meant to set an example regarding the rules on this site.

No need for the comment Brian , just passing your judgement on the attacks on our chairman would have sufficed......


As for the attacks, ban them for life , people who overstep the mark when it comes to a game of football have no place in the game...
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 20:35

The people who did this need to be severely punished irrespective on when these incidents happened
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Malcolm Canmore  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 20:44

Vile pondlife. I sincerely hope they are caught, banned for life and punished by the courts.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 20:46

Come Tuesday a few folk on this forum are going to be ashamed of some of their posts or they would be if they had any decency.
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 20:48

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EEP, Thu 7 Oct 19:41

RM put his own money into the club during the pandemic as there was a shortfall in cash aswell as other directors to get through a difficult few months and they probably won’t see that cash back soon.
To be up the town and get spat on is just the lowest of the low…. If I was RM I would say fek that and get out of the club and concentrate on his own business that is making money.
Tbh the guy looks exhausted from the Masterton takeover to now and I’m sure his family will be telling him enough is enough.
I really hope the person that did this is caught..
I would say there should be no protest until this is sorted.
FFS is a game of football..


Exactly - its a game.
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: AlfonzoBonzo  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 20:50

The statement was as a result of the attacks.

Brian, that’s a clumsy post on your part. Very provocative at grant

Show us yer....
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 20:53

If correct, I am very saddened to hear this happening. I came to support the Pars because of a game against Rangers in the 80’s. The fans exemplary behaviour that day enticed me to support a great club with fair minded and objective fans.
If this is the modern day fan who would do such a thing because of a few bad results then it is not the DAFC I have known and loved for many years.
Rose tinted spectacles from the past it is not. Even in the Leishman era the fans will remember that in our first season in the premier league we didn’t score a goal for months (except against Rangers in that cup win) no demonstrations, no damage to property or vehicles.
Supporters turned up in their thousands to see Dunfermline even when relegated because we were proud of the club and wanted to enjoy the times together.
I admit it is different times and social media is both a blessing and a cancer, but come on Dunfermline we can do better than this.
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:02

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Grant, Thu 7 Oct 19:26

Quote:

buffy, Thu 7 Oct 19:25

Shameful and they’re not welcome at our club.

I hope Ross and his family are ok.



If they can be identified I'd wholeheartedly back banning orders from EEP.


Oh I'd let them inside East End, if they are identied they should be made to stand in the center circle at a home game and be made to publicly apologise to RM

East End Park is a symbol of all that is DAFC.
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: cfad  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:03

These people should not have the audacity to think they are Pars fans. They're scum. Have to say that some of the comments on this forum aggressively attacking RM have not helped.
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:04

It could be someone that posts on here cfad

East End Park is a symbol of all that is DAFC.
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: AlterPar  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:05

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MDCCCLXXXV, Thu 07 Oct 21:02

Quote:

Grant, Thu 7 Oct 19:26

Quote:

buffy, Thu 7 Oct 19:25

Shameful and they’re not welcome at our club.

I hope Ross and his family are ok.



If they can be identified I'd wholeheartedly back banning orders from EEP.


Oh I'd let them inside East End, if they are identied they should be made to stand in the center circle at a home game and be made to publicly apologise to RM


Aye, then invite fans on the pitch to hammer the lot of them. Reprobates. Unbelievably embarrassing stuff.
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: The Roy Barry Fan Club  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:06

As a friend of Ross, I would like to thank Grant for starting this thread. I am sure that he speaks for every decent Dunfermline supporter when he condemns this outrageous behaviour.

It is a lesson to all of us not to let the debate between us create a climate whereby certain lowlife`s feel enabled to carry out such vile acts. We need to ratchet down the rhetoric and treat ourselves with more respect. Our enemies are outside East End Park and they do not value the famous black and white as we do. Criticise and comment by all means, but have a modicum of respect for each other`s views.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:06

If true this is disgusting and seriously uncalled for. No matter how bad it gets with the board, attacking the members is not the answer. The individuals should be heavily punished. I`d love nothing more than to have a civil chat with Ross about the current state of the club but some people are just willing to take things to a whole other level.

Brian, you should know that there is massive difference to fans being angry on a forum (which is totally merited after Tuesday`s statement and this). Even the most emotional fans on here will know the difference between posting their feelings on here and acting like thugs. Grant and others have come out with a lot of points that may differ from you but they clearly know right from wrong. That doesn`t mean he has changed his tune and it doesn`t make the situation from Tuesday any more understandable. It just paints some fans in a very bad light.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:09

It all become a bit ridiculous. My glass half full view;
The club has come along way in the last few years from administration to the championship playoffs
We have new investors in the club who are prepared to invest their time, money, and expertise into tge club to create a sustainable future.
On the Park we are going through a short term spell of bad luck. Things will get better.
I pay £18 to watch the game. Win or lose it doesn't affect my life. Its an hour and a half of entertainment. My livelihood and well being don't depend on it unlike the Manager and Players.
Could I do a better job as a player or manager - no I couldn't. I might have an opinion but fortunately I don't have to take responsibility if I am wrong.
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: dpard  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:13

Quote:

londonparsfan, Thu 7 Oct 20:46

Come Tuesday a few folk on this forum are going to be ashamed of some of their posts or they would be if they had any decency.


What's happening on Tuesday LPF?
If, of course you can share at this time.

The flame still burns
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: par-91  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:14

I’d imagine there’s no smoke without fire. Anything personal and any attacks, whether physical or verbal, are totally unacceptable. None of us are happy with how things are going at the club, but that doesn’t excuse any of the rumoured behaviour. It would also explain why they wanted to add that last paragraph to the statement.

That behaviour needs to be called out. Criticism of the football club and how it’s being run is one thing. Abusing people is totally different and should not be tolerated in any capacity. These guys have made every decision thinking it was the right thing to do and have given their all to trying to make this club as successful as possible (both financially and on the pitch). Mistakes have been made and I’m sure they will admit that. But making mistakes running a football club doesn’t justify any form of abusive behaviour in the slightest.

Edit to add: I genuinely hope that all of our directors and their families and friends are ok.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:15

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par-91, Thu 7 Oct 21:14

I’d imagine there’s no smoke without fire. Anything person and any attacks, whether physical or verbal, are totally unacceptable. None of us are happy with how things are going at the club, but that doesn’t excuse any of the rumoured behaviour. It would also explain why they wanted to add that last paragraph to the statement.

That behaviour needs to be called out. Criticism of the football club and how it’s being run is one thing. Abusing people is totally different and should not be tolerated in any capacity. These guys have made every decision thinking it was the right thing to do and have given their all to trying to make this club as successful as possible (both financially and on the pitch). Mistakes have been made and I’m sure they will admit that. But making mistakes running a football club doesn’t justify any form of abusive behaviour in the slightest.


Absolutely right. Its no excuse.
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:21

RossF
People haven`t been angry on the forum, they have been downright abusive.
It`s your opinion they are are entitled to be but it has been way over the top and not necessary

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:34

Brian, can I ask why the thread carrying Ross's name wasn't closed down way before things got seriously out of hand?
Not having a pop. Just interested to know the rationale when the forum rules quite clearly state that personal attacks are not permitted and threads have been closed down for much less.
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:36

Very good question.
Perhaps in hindsight it should have been.

But in honesty a lot more threads should have been shut down.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: 1985Par  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:39

Correct, Brian. Whereas I don`t, in any way, doubt the integrity of their sympathetic posts on this thread, some were the leaders of a baying mob on other threads. To whip things up into a hysterical frenzy on one thread and then come across " it`s got nothing to do with me" on here. A bit hypocritical.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:40

Perhaps I missed the abusive posts Brian. The forum has been a busy place recently. If that`s the case, a lot is said in the heat of the moment that many will regret. Just like in real life, sometimes people need to take a breather before making a comment so they can be more constructive than abusive. Again, what`s said on here is still a massive difference to what has been claimed today. I wouldn`t say Grant acts abusive on this forum. Like me he has been a strong critic of the running of the club recently but I would say his posts have been constructive rather than abusive.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:42

Sorry JTH.

But if Brian had closed threads that angry fans were posting on . He would have gotten serious abuse himself

East End Park is a symbol of all that is DAFC.
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: cfad  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:44

Quote:

JTH123, Thu 07 Oct 21:34

Brian, can I ask why the thread carrying Ross's name wasn't closed down way before things got seriously out of hand?
Not having a pop. Just interested to know the rationale when the forum rules quite clearly state that personal attacks are not permitted and threads have been closed down for much less.


I'd imagine it's a tough, no win call for admin. Close things down, and claims of censorship and over reacting would have been thrown up, but to trawl through all the hundreds of posts and try to work out which ones had crossed the line would have been near on impossible
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:46

Appreciate the response Brian.
CFAD, I agree. I don't envy the admins their "job". Its a thankless task at the best of times but this week it's been bonkers.
I just felt that this had gone way too far when I called it out on Tuesday night. It was interesting that only 1 or 2 were prepared to stick their heads above the parapet and agree, Rasta being one. Some others were even prepared to try and justify the abuse that was being meted out.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:48

I condemn these alleged attacks on Ross. I can only imagine how disillusioned he must be feeling ?

Am I completely surprised? Sadly, the honest answer is no.

Not so long ago, Graham Dorrans was abused to such an extent, he felt the need to retaliate.

Stewards apparently had to prevent some fans “getting at” Peter Grant after Saturday’s game

The above two incidents were condoned by some who felt that, as we had performed poorly, it was somehow justified ?

It’s only a game. Nothing at all can justify acts such as these.




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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 21:52

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Topic Originator: Kyle DAFC  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 22:05

“ Not so long ago, Graham Dorrans was abused to such an extent, he felt the need to retaliate.”

Whilst I appreciate where you’re coming from Raymie, I’d argue that verbally abusing a player on the pitch is quite a bit different from damaging someone’s property and spitting on them (if this is what has happened)

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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 22:10

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Kyle DAFC, Thu 7 Oct 22:05

“ Not so long ago, Graham Dorrans was abused to such an extent, he felt the need to retaliate.”

Whilst I appreciate where you’re coming from Raymie, I’d argue that verbally abusing a player on the pitch is quite a bit different from damaging someone’s property and spitting on them (if this is what has happened)


Of course it is but you've got to think of these things as a pyramid. Proper numpties at the top who take things far too far but it's enabled by a culture of abusing folk who are just doing their best.

Can't head my head around effing and 'c-ing personal abuse at players and staff. What's missing in your life for it to be so serious? Doesn't happen in most other walks of life.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 22:20

Aye, the big fattie, rushing down towards the players as they left the pitch at QotS. Absolutely losing his head. What's to get so worked up over, a game of football, haha. Big bairns

Some folk have well overstepped the mark here, with these alleged attacks, they deserve to be hounded out of EEP. Some of the posts on here have been shameful, and probably gave the perpetrators what they felt was the right to do this.

When RM does decide to walk, and we have to use several hundred thousand pounds of the playing staff budget to pay for people with the necessary skills to replace the work him and others do for free, then perhaps maybe a few folk on here might actually get it
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 22:23

Absolutely pathetic if this is true. The abuse on here is bad enough from some people without physical attacks.

Get a bloody grip of yourselves. Whoever did this is an bottom of the highest order. We are ALL unhappy with this situation and that will include the board. If people have personal issues with members of the board then that's fine, but no need for things to become so toxic that people are being spat on and cars damaged.

I'm yet to see anyone propose a decent replacement for PG. I don't think he's the right guy for the job but then I think the issue isn't necessarily the manager. But I don't know. I'm not in EEP every day. I don't speak to the manager or the players. No-one on this forum does. So all these opinions, theories and conspiracies hold little weight.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 22:25

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red-star-par, Thu 7 Oct 22:20

When RM does decide to walk, and we have to use several hundred thousand pounds of the playing staff budget to pay for people with the necessary skills to replace the work him and others do for free, then perhaps maybe a few folk on here might actually get it


In some cases there may be value in hiring someone who can offer a better ROI. I'm not suggesting this in the case of McArthur but we may benefit from professionals in some aspects of the business.
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Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 22:31



The people involved in that kind of thing are 100% responsible for their own actions.

The type of person that steps over the line from annoyance, anger and frustration into physical actions wouldn't just do that just because of football, it goes deeper than that.
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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 22:35

The Australian PM has signalled that a harder line is going to be taken on online abuse.

In a dotnet context, we would all have to identify who we are - no hiding behind nicknames and dotnet would be legally regarded as a publisher and as such, would be responsible for all the content that appears here. It might just stop the worst of the abuse that appears on here.

These days, much of what is done in Australia is replicated in Britain and vice versa. So watch out for Boris mouthing these words...

Prime minister Scott Morrison has flagged changes to social media in Australia, saying people should be responsible for what they say online. "Social media has become a coward’s palace where people can go on there, not say who they are, destroy people’s lives, and say the most foul and offensive things to people, and do so with impunity," he said. "They should have to identify who they are, and you know, the companies, if they’re not going to say who they are, well, they’re not a platform anymore, they’re a publisher."

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Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 22:40

Oz, thanks for the post.
I`m a 100% behind that.

I hate people hiding behind their keyboard.

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Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 22:51

I`ve stayed away from commenting on this forum for the last bit, just too toxic and vitriolic.

EEP hit the nail on the head, kind of said it spot on with others.

I know Ross, as a great deal of people here do, and the tone of the anger is way way overboard, just take a look and and ask if that is in any way an acceptable way to address another human.

Ross has done a power of stuff, most don`t know how much of a mess it was. Yes, football wise this doesn`t look good in any way, but the appointment etc was done in good faith, it clearly doesn`t look good, but it either works (we can always hope) or we try again.

Attacks verbally at this level of vitriol ARE unacceptable, attacks physically are on a completely different level.

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 22:54

Good stuff Oz. I would be all for that. I think personally, that in order to post on this site we should have to provide proof of name and address when registering. It would perhaps even be an idea to get rid of usernames and just have people using their real name instead
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Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 23:00

Absolutely disgusting doing that to a man who has only tried his best and after all is a pars fan like the rest of us. Aye people get worked up about how bad we are the now but that’s no excuse to spit on someone or vandalise cars. Hope whoever is caught is banned from East end park for life.

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Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 23:07

Agree, that`s my name, I can think of no reason to hide. Address etc no, for privacy reasons, and let`s face it for hacking reasons.

If people used their names, or similair it would be more like face to face, there`s no way in these circumstances any of those people would speak like that, instead of hiding behind screens and going over the top.

What a state to get in, we are a good middle ranking provincial football club, we made an appointment that`s not working out, along the way mistakes get made (as they do) and the reaction is grim.

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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 23:37

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dafc-chris1, Thu 7 Oct 20:15

I condemn this behaviour and it is completely unacceptable but it was the board who stoked up this fire with that horrendous statement


Was it **** you moron.

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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 23:41

Anonymity can certainly be a cloak for malicious opinion. Newspapers never used to publish any letter which was not accompanied by a name and address for that reason. I remember once being phoned by a newspaper to confirm that I was the author of a letter they had received before it was printed.

However there are problems with everyone offering up their full name. Personal attacks might actually increase as a result. For example if I criticise a poor penalty taken by a Pars’ player someone might reasonably respond, ‘Are you not the diddy who missed a crucial penalty v Pitcorthie PS in 1966?’ (Which I was, although it wasn’t a bad strike and hit the underside of the bar.) Brian can hardly censor such a post since it is a matter of fact rather than opinion. The danger is that instead of challenging opinion, we will end up playing the man instead of the ball.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 23:45

Anyone who tries to justify this behaviour is just as culpable as the scumbag who did it.

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Topic Originator: bannerpar  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 23:52

Clearly these incidents are totally out of order but maybe not totally surprising given the heat that has been building up in the last few weeks. The infamous last paragraph of the board statement caused a lot of angst but there was little if any condemnation by anyone (including myself) of the abuse that was said to be getting directed towards the directors. To the more extreme among us, it can be a fine line between abuse and action.

Wee Eck was spot on in another thread when he talked about the disconnect between board and fans. More than ever there needs to be something that brings us together quickly after the statement which failed in its mission to rally folk behind the team and club. If a meeting with fans can`t be set up quickly, it might help to put out an interview with RMcA answering questions submitted by fans and pitching in with anything that he wants to say on behalf of the board and just generally trying to get people together again. I don`t know how this sort of thing fits in with the new board structure but Ross comes over well at these sort of things as you can see how much of a fan he is himself.

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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 00:14

Dearie me, more important things in life than 11 players running about a football park!

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Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 01:02

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brian, Thu 07 Oct 19:36

Change of tune from you Grant !

In recent days this whole episode has been very embarrassing for everybody, too many anonymous keyboard warriers


It has been heartening to see quite a few sensible posters on the forum but too many attacking these sensible people


Put the rod away Brian ffs

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Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 01:03

Think a good gesture would be to give vocal support to RM and the BOD Next home game ,As I certainly Appreciate what they have done .
My opinion is the players need to have a look at themselfs as they are the ones on the pitch
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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 01:21

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brian, Thu 7 Oct 21:21

RossF
People haven`t been angry on the forum, they have been downright abusive.
It`s your opinion they are are entitled to be but it has been way over the top and not necessary


You're never slow in deleting a post Brian, AFAIK I haven't had one for being abusive.

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red-star-par, Thu 7 Oct 22:20
. Some of the posts on here have been shameful, and probably gave the perpetrators what they felt was the right to do this.



Aye, the last thing to go through the perps head was "People on DAFC.net are annoyed so this will definitely be OK" what rubbish. Dafc.net has been positively mild compared to twitter and Facebook.

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Correct, Brian. Whereas I don`t, in any way, doubt the integrity of their sympathetic posts on this thread, some were the leaders of a baying mob on other threads. To whip things up into a hysterical frenzy on one thread and then come across " it`s got nothing to do with me" on here. A bit hypocritical.


You reckon the events have anything to do with dafc.net? The train of thought that dafc.net has been the leader and has whipped up the Pars fans into a frenzy is an odd train of thought, the tweet announcing the statement has 274 comments and 346 quote tweets. The Facebook Post has 572 comments, and both of those are far more likely to catch passing traffic. People come on this forum with an opinion to share, there's very little swaying.

You'll forgive me for being doubtful that this forum was the instigation, it's moderated and by and large while people are critical of the running of the club and manager I've not seen anything suggesting that this would be the way forward. Quite rightly the events have received the condemnation they deserve on here.


The whole thing has just made me even less enthused about the Pars, everything is in a horrible mess and I genuinely can't think about the last good thing that happened in relation to the club, no good news, no feel good factor, nothing. It's knocked me for enthusiasm far more than any game this season, I don't see a way that we come out of this positively at all.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 07:10

This whole sordid, unsavoury episode has affected me even more than I originally thought. I woke up in the wee small hours and couldn`t get back to sleep, playing events over and over in my mind. Is this what we`ve come to? A lynch mob mentality in Dunfermline?

Ross McArthur is not the richest Chairman in DA`s history, but he`s certainly the most hardworking. Anyone who thinks he just arrives at EEP, a couple of hours before the game and swans about with fellow directors in the Boardroom, before taking his place in the Directors Box, couldn`t be any wider of the mark. He has put in countless hours of unpaid time, in his tireless efforts to rebuild the Pars as a focal point of the local community, following our near fatal collapse in 2013.

Elsewhere on this thread, fans have expressed a concern that our German investors may be so scunnered by these attacks that they might withdraw their support. That would be a sad day for the Pars, but if Ross decided he`d had enough of the abuse from his fellow Pars fans, it would be an unmitigated disaster for the club we all claim to love.....



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Topic Originator: Roger Daltrey  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 07:20

Agreed GG. Brainless, entitled idiots took over the narrative when they started targeting the board.

The last week has been an embarrassment. Grown men having tantrums and dishing out abuse to people like Ross who have done more to secure the future of our club than they could possibly understand.

Sad times.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 07:23

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MDCCCLXXXV, Thu 7 Oct 21:42

Sorry JTH.

But if Brian had closed threads that angry fans were posting on . He would have gotten serious abuse himself


Yeah....the last time he started shutting down posts our club neatly died.
On top of that I posted a positive post about RM and it was taken down.

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Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 07:29

Rasta that`s lies and you know it !

There were many many posts left up previous and you will find that any posts taken down were due to legal action.
People had every oppurtunity to contribute with constructive posts

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Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 08:13

What the F is going on with our club .

Attacks on the Manager
Attacks on the Chairman

And more attacks on Brian !! Give it a Fing rest

Chairman and Brian go above and beyond their free time to support our club ,A lot more than some on here spouting their venom ,,,get a grip .
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 08:17

Why do folk consistently harp on about the past? It’s like a broken record. Give it a rest ffs and move on.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 08:22

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brian, Fri 8 Oct 07:29

Rasta that`s lies and you know it !

There were many many posts left up previous and you will find that any posts taken down were due to legal action.
People had every oppurtunity to contribute with constructive posts


Well I can't find it, I simply posted it would be nice to see people remember RM was human.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 08:26

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Rastapari, Fri 8 Oct 08:22

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brian, Fri 8 Oct 07:29

Rasta that`s lies and you know it !

There were many many posts left up previous and you will find that any posts taken down were due to legal action.
People had every oppurtunity to contribute with constructive posts


Well I can't find it, I simply posted it would be nice to see people remember RM was human.


Yip I remember that one. God knows why that was taken down

"Legal action" seems to cover some amount of stuff these days

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 08:27

G.G. nails it .. good post 07:10 .. the whole episode has affected me as well .. Sad Times for DAFC

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 08:36

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da_no_1, Fri 8 Oct 08:26

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Rastapari, Fri 8 Oct 08:22

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brian, Fri 8 Oct 07:29

Rasta that`s lies and you know it !

There were many many posts left up previous and you will find that any posts taken down were due to legal action.
People had every oppurtunity to contribute with constructive posts


Well I can't find it, I simply posted it would be nice to see people remember RM was human.


Yip I remember that one. God knows why that was taken down

"Legal action" seems to cover some amount of stuff these days


It was absolutely benign, nothing in it threatening anyone, just a call to remember people are human and to calm it a bit...
Brian?
Could you point out the legal threat bit?
Not having a go, it would be the decent thing to do.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 09:15

If this is true that our Chairman has been attacked as suggested, then it’s appalling.

The entire Board has put huge sums of cash into our club with little chance of a return. They’ve done it to save and rebuild the club. Of course they’ve made mistakes, who hasn’t ever made a mistake??

We’re a community club, we share values of respect and support. All the hard work from the Board to all our volunteers and fans can’t be damaged by a few idiots.

I hope Ross stays on, these idiots can’t win.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 09:22

Good Post S.P

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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 09:57

Some hysterical nonsense gets posted on this forum.
Like Grant, I condemn any personal attacks on RM and hope they are man enough to own up and apologise but let's stop this stupid 'game' of equating criticism for football decisions on a football forum as personal attacks on Ross McArthur.
They are two very seperate issues and it is very disappointing to see Brian attacking the author of this thread because he can't see the distinction between the two.

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Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 10:12

Good post SeasonPar.We all owe the Board a huge debt of gratitude. The actions of one/a few morons shouldnt detract from that.

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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 10:49

Goid post SP

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 10:53

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AdamAntsParsStripe, Fri 8 Oct 09:57

Some hysterical nonsense gets posted on this forum.
Like Grant, I condemn any personal attacks on RM and hope they are man enough to own up and apologise but let's stop this stupid 'game' of equating criticism for football decisions on a football forum as personal attacks on Ross McArthur.
They are two very seperate issues and it is very disappointing to see Brian attacking the author of this thread because he can't see the distinction between the two.


"Man up and apologise" doesn't quite cut it, AAPS. If my information is correct, the idiots responsible could face criminal proceedings. We're not just talking about a bit of name calling and a few naughty words.

Some people may know who they are. I hope they tip the police off and they get their just deserts.



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Topic Originator: par-91  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 11:27

Agree with GG Riva above - apologising is not enough. The people in question here should be facing criminal charges and not be allowed anywhere near East End Park ever again.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 11:36

I`d prefer they man-up, contact the club to apologies in person and ask if there is something positive they can do to help the club.

As we know, we always need volunteers to help out with things, so there`s no doubt something that the perpetrator could offer which could be of benefit. It doesn`t need to be publicised either.

I`m sure neither the guilty party/parties nor Ross want a lynch mob or to bring this further into the public eye.

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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 11:44

"I condemn this behaviour and it is completely unacceptable but it was the board who stoked up this fire with that horrendous statement"

If what is being alleged is true, then it`s not the statement that`s horrenodous but the behaviour of a HANDFUL of supporters - as was clearly indicated in the statement.

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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 11:45

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dpard, Thu 7 Oct 21:13

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londonparsfan, Thu 7 Oct 20:46

Come Tuesday a few folk on this forum are going to be ashamed of some of their posts or they would be if they had any decency.


What's happening on Tuesday LPF?
If, of course you can share at this time.


I probably shouldn't have posted that as I'm not really ITK but from what I've heard the personal abuse is getting too much and we're facing the risk of RM walking away. Hopefully what I've been told is complete rubbish as I'd rather apologise to the forum for posting shecht than be right.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 12:22

I think people are missing the point - it now seems apparent that the last paragraph of that statement related to a physical attack rather than fans voicing their displeasure with the manager/board.

It could definitely be concluded that someone could read the comments on this forum and feel empowered to take it a steady further, though it sounds like these disgusting actions happened BEFORE the statement so comments in the past few days would have had no impact unless there have been more attacks.

I'd never suggest the admin on this forum are perfect, but they do pretty well given the size of the task. Almost like referees where there's always going to be someone unhappy with their actions. There will always be inconsistencies as the admin team aren't robots. That said, completely correct for anyone feeling they are being inconsistently treated to call it out as admin can then hopefully take that feedback on...and they were definitely wrong that time they gave me that yellow 😉
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 12:47

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jake89, Fri 8 Oct 12:22

I think people are missing the point - it now seems apparent that the last paragraph of that statement related to a physical attack rather than fans voicing their displeasure with the manager/board.


I can categorically confirm that the entire statement was written after the attacks. It's a safe bet that the BoD - including our German friends, of course - were less than impressed by the unacceptable behaviour of a small number of (presumably Pars) fans.



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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 12:59

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DA-go Par Adonis, Fri 8 Oct 11:36

I`d prefer they man-up, contact the club to apologies in person and ask if there is something positive they can do to help the club.

As we know, we always need volunteers to help out with things, so there`s no doubt something that the perpetrator could offer which could be of benefit. It doesn`t need to be publicised either.

I`m sure neither the guilty party/parties nor Ross want a lynch mob or to bring this further into the public eye.


That's very magnanimous of you, DA-go. I have to assume you're not aware of the gravity of the attacks? I wouldn't rule out the possibility that if those responsible were to contact the club, apologise and offer to make some kind of restitution, by means of voluntary work, the Chairman and BoD might decide not to press charges, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Those responsible will probably have convinced themselves that their attacks were perfectly justified, on the grounds that the BoD are persisting with the manager, even though we sit at the bottom of the Championship.



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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 13:38

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brian, Fri 8 Oct 07:29

Rasta that`s lies and you know it !

There were many many posts left up previous and you will find that any posts taken down were due to legal action.
People had every oppurtunity to contribute with constructive posts


As someone else pointed out, they say my post and didn't see how it would be removed, would you care to apologise for calling me a liar?

Or explain how my post, asking for people to calm it and respect Ross is a human being caused legal action?

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Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 13:48

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jake89, Fri 8 Oct 12:22



It could definitely be concluded that someone could read the comments on this forum and feel empowered to take it a steady further



No it could not.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 14:01

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brian, Fri 8 Oct 07:29

Rasta that`s lies and you know it !

There were many many posts left up previous and you will find that any posts taken down were due to legal action.
People had every oppurtunity to contribute with constructive posts


As someone else pointed out, they say my post and didn't see how it would be removed, would you care to apologise for calling me a liar?

Or explain how my post, asking for people to calm it and respect Ross is a human being caused legal action?


Rasta, not defending Brian , as he still has to apologise for his personal attacks on a couple of other posters, but,
I think he is referring to the Masterton saga where posts were removed , supposedly on legal grounds..........
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 14:05

At the risk of philosophising, some fans seem to have got things way out of proportion. It`s only a game after all. Being able to accept a beating graciously is a noble human characteristic and one that was exemplified by our former player and world famous manager Sir Alex Ferguson. While using every legitimate means to win games, including psychology, sometimes his team lost. In the event he always managed to retain his dignity. Someone said the darkest hour comes before the dawn. None of us like the situation we are in and maybe that is more keenly felt by the players and those who are running the club than we are aware of. Petty spiteful actions like bursting tyres and throwing stones are an indication of adolescent immaturity. Maybe we have all to some extent placed too much of our human hopes and ambitions on a football club and it`s time to reflect on the real priorities in life.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 14:07

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alwaysaPar, Fri 8 Oct 14:01

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Rastapari, Fri 8 Oct 13:38

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brian, Fri 8 Oct 07:29

Rasta that`s lies and you know it !

There were many many posts left up previous and you will find that any posts taken down were due to legal action.
People had every oppurtunity to contribute with constructive posts


As someone else pointed out, they say my post and didn't see how it would be removed, would you care to apologise for calling me a liar?

Or explain how my post, asking for people to calm it and respect Ross is a human being caused legal action?


Rasta, not defending Brian , as he still has to apologise for his personal attacks on a couple of other posters, but,
I think he is referring to the Masterton saga where posts were removed , supposedly on legal grounds..........


Yeah maybe to be fair.
All of them?
Nah, that would be blatant revisionism.
We all know what went on.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 14:16

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brian, Fri 08 Oct 07:29

Rasta that`s lies and you know it !

There were many many posts left up previous and you will find that any posts taken down were due to legal action.
People had every oppurtunity to contribute with constructive posts


Now who is telling lies? you black carded people left right and Center in those days because they started to get close to the truth about what that odious wee man and his family where doing to our club lucky it reached further than the realms of .net just remember had this club died Brian you along with a few others would have been accessories to that death by the way you closed posts down and banned members who know a wee bit more than what wee gav was comfy with

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 14:33

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It could definitely be concluded that someone could read the comments on this forum and feel empowered to take it a steady further



No it could not.


Yes it definately could. That is exactly how percieved empowerment works.

The seeds were sown and nurtured on social media. Posters on this site played their part.
Not neccessarily deliberately, but hopefully lessons learned.

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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 15:00

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PARrot, Fri 8 Oct 14:33

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jake89, Fri 8 Oct 12:22



It could definitely be concluded that someone could read the comments on this forum and feel empowered to take it a steady further



No it could not.


Yes it definately could. That is exactly how percieved empowerment works.

The seeds were sown and nurtured on social media. Posters on this site played their part.
Not neccessarily deliberately, but hopefully lessons learned.


Goes from definitely could, to posters on this site playing there part in the next paragraph, staggering.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 15:04

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Rastapari, Fri 8 Oct 14:07

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alwaysaPar, Fri 8 Oct 14:01

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Rastapari, Fri 8 Oct 13:38

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brian, Fri 8 Oct 07:29

Rasta that`s lies and you know it !

There were many many posts left up previous and you will find that any posts taken down were due to legal action.
People had every oppurtunity to contribute with constructive posts


As someone else pointed out, they say my post and didn't see how it would be removed, would you care to apologise for calling me a liar?

Or explain how my post, asking for people to calm it and respect Ross is a human being caused legal action?


Rasta, not defending Brian , as he still has to apologise for his personal attacks on a couple of other posters, but,
I think he is referring to the Masterton saga where posts were removed , supposedly on legal grounds..........


Yeah maybe to be fair.
All of them?
Nah, that would be blatant revisionism.
We all know what went on.


We certainly do........👍
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 15:05

Just goes to show people have their agenda.


People were asked to stop posting sensitive data on the forum. I was getting legal action threats
If you don`t like it then that`s your problem

There was indeed a few black cards to stop you repeating the information. What was I to do ?

Plenty of other people posted enough on the right side of legality, which is why we got through it.

You can keep repeating it but your in the wrong


It`s clear that some don`t agree but that`s you`re prerogative but I`ll argue back to clear my name


You were not at my end so you have no idea ! You and your kind need to get over it and accept you were wrong

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 15:14

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brian, Fri 8 Oct 15:05

Just goes to show people have their agenda.


People were asked to stop posting sensitive data on the forum. I was getting legal action threats
If you don`t like it then that`s your problem

There was indeed a few black cards to stop you repeating the information. What was I to do ?

Plenty of other people posted enough on the right side of legality, which is why we got through it.

You can keep repeating it but your in the wrong


So why was my post regarding treating Ross as a human being removed, you don't like me being positive?
It was a call for calm?

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 15:33

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Grant, Fri 8 Oct 15:00

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PARrot, Fri 8 Oct 14:33

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elvis_lives, Fri 8 Oct 13:48

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jake89, Fri 8 Oct 12:22



It could definitely be concluded that someone could read the comments on this forum and feel empowered to take it a steady further



No it could not.


Yes it definately could. That is exactly how percieved empowerment works.

The seeds were sown and nurtured on social media. Posters on this site played their part.
Not neccessarily deliberately, but hopefully lessons learned.


Goes from definitely could, to posters on this site playing there part in the next paragraph, staggering.


The only thing incorrect or staggering is the fact I spelled definitely wrong.



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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 15:34

You`ve repeatedly asked a question.
If you were getting an answer it would have been by now. Stop asking.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 15:39

`Yes it definately could. That is exactly how percieved empowerment works.
The seeds were sown and nurtured on social media. Posters on this site played their part.
Not neccessarily deliberately, but hopefully lessons learned’


One lesson might be not to exaggerate the importance of social media. This DAFC.net site is a reflection of supporter opinion: it may even help to shape opinion. But to link the alleged physical attacks on the Chairman with posts critical to him on the site would only be valid had calls been made to incite physical injury to his property or person. I have read no such post and despite a few claims to the contrary, I am unaware of any poster condoning what has been reported in respect of Ross McArthur. Quite the opposite has happened, even by posters opposed to his remaining Chairman.

Physical attacks on managers and Chairmen long pre-date the internet or social media. Harry Catterick had won a League title and an FA Cup for Everton but that didn’t stop him being roughed up by three hooligans on the way back to the team bus after a defeat at Blackpool in 1967. His crime? To drop fans favourite Alec Young and play a 16 year old striker in his place called Joe Royle. When Royle helped fire Everton to Catterick’s second title a few years later the same hooligans were probably clapping Catterick on the back. And Millwall fans in the late 1960s used to vent their anger after a home defeat by smashing the windows of the Millwall Chairman’s car showroom on the way home. It got so regular the police had to stand guard at the showroom after a match.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 15:59

On the contrary Sammer, I believe the lesson we are learning in modern society is not to underestimate the potential effect of toxic posts in social media.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 16:01

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brian, Fri 8 Oct 15:34

You`ve repeatedly asked a question.
If you were getting an answer it would have been by now. Stop asking.


There you go....and you talk about respect and the like, fair shown your hand there.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 16:04

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brian, Fri 8 Oct 15:05

Just goes to show people have their agenda.


People were asked to stop posting sensitive data on the forum. I was getting legal action threats
If you don`t like it then that`s your problem

There was indeed a few black cards to stop you repeating the information. What was I to do ?

Plenty of other people posted enough on the right side of legality, which is why we got through it.

You can keep repeating it but your in the wrong


It`s clear that some don`t agree but that`s you`re prerogative but I`ll argue back to clear my name


You were not at my end so you have no idea ! You and your kind need to get over it and accept you were wrong


And then Thaipar was made an Admin. Unbelievable naiveness.

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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 16:13

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AdamAntsParsStripe, Fri 08 Oct 16:04

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brian, Fri 8 Oct 15:05

Just goes to show people have their agenda.


People were asked to stop posting sensitive data on the forum. I was getting legal action threats
If you don`t like it then that`s your problem

There was indeed a few black cards to stop you repeating the information. What was I to do ?

Plenty of other people posted enough on the right side of legality, which is why we got through it.

You can keep repeating it but your in the wrong


It`s clear that some don`t agree but that`s you`re prerogative but I`ll argue back to clear my name


You were not at my end so you have no idea ! You and your kind need to get over it and accept you were wrong


And then Thaipar was made an Admin. Unbelievable naiveness.


Here we go again.
More broken records.
Why do you have to keep bringing stuff like this up? What’s to gain from going over old ground?

Move on.

Peace.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: Alf  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 16:15

Someone on twitter saying Ross is stepping down?
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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 16:18

Harsh criticism - and Peter Grant and Ross McArthur have had plenty of that recently- is not `toxic` in my view.

As regards language, you pointed out how inappropriate the term `charlatan` was in respect of Peter Grant and I have not noticed the term used since. He might be inept, out of his depth, but he surely believes in his own ability so can hardly be a charlatan. Likewise, the BOD cannot be accused of being `spineless` since if they were, they would have acceded to the fans` anger and sacked the manager weeks ago. They may be obdurate, stubborn, tone deaf etc but they are surely not spineless.

Finally, there are no `lynch mobs` or even `baying mobs` roaming Dunfermline so far as I am aware. Many posters calling for calm have used these terms.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 16:21

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sammer, Fri 8 Oct 16:18

Harsh criticism - and Peter Grant and Ross McArthur have had plenty of that recently- is not `toxic` in my view.

As regards language, you pointed out how inappropriate the term `charlatan` was in respect of Peter Grant and I have not noticed the term used since. He might be inept, out of his depth, but he surely believes in his own ability so can hardly be a charlatan. Likewise, the BOD cannot be accused of being `spineless` since if they were, they would have acceded to the fans` anger and sacked the manager weeks ago. They may be obdurate, stubborn, tone deaf etc but they are surely not spineless.

Finally, there are no `lynch mobs` or even `baying mobs` roaming Dunfermline so far as I am aware. Many posters calling for calm have used these terms.


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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 16:24

I think it’s more likely he’s stepping away from the football side to concentrate on the day to day running of the club. That’s my understanding of it. Apologies if this isn’t correct.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 16:39

Sammer I'm afraid you're utterly out of touch with the world we live in today. Social media IS the world we live in and it can influence attacks like these and much worse.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 16:45

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da_no_1, Fri 8 Oct 16:39

Sammer I'm afraid you're utterly out of touch with the world we live in today. Social media IS the world we live in and it can influence attacks like these and much worse.


Of course it can. Mass hysteria whipped up at the end of a keyboard and some rockets take it too far.
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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 16:48

But surely physical assault or bursting a tyre is the `real` world.

Harsh criticism is not the same as inciting riot or the like. There are plenty who might want to conflate these two things- every government in the world for example- but they are separate entities. To deny they are separate is a step towards removing freedom of expression.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 16:54

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sammer, Fri 8 Oct 16:48

But surely physical assault or bursting a tyre is the `real` world.

Harsh criticism is not the same as inciting riot or the like. There are plenty who might want to conflate these two things- every government in the world for example- but they are separate entities. To deny they are separate is a step towards removing freedom of expression.


With freedom comes responsibility.

The latter unfortunately is rarely considered by many.

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 Re: Ross McArthur Attacks
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 17:13

It’s a game of fitba at the end of the day. In the grand scheme of things it means absolutely heehaw. I’m getting close to sacking the thing altogether . Utter utter scum .
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