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 A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 3 Dec 07:12

Neal Maupay scored with a brilliant overhead kick for Brighton v West Ham this week and was then booked for over celebrating.

I`ve seen similar goals disallowed for dangerous play, when an opponent tries to head the ball clear, which is understandable but frustrating. Had Maupay`s goal been chalked off by VAR, would his yellow card have been rescinded and had it been a second yellow and he`d been sent off, would have been called back on?

I should add that I don`t know the answers to my questions, which is why I`m asking. 😌



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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Fri 3 Dec 07:27

The booking would be for the act of overcelebrating (leaving the field of play and going into to the crowd) so I`m pretty sure it wouldn`t be reversed even if the goal was disallowed.

I`m not sure what would happen in your thought experiment if he stands on David De Gea first.
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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: parfection  
Date:   Fri 3 Dec 07:43

Found this answer elsewhere online : “If a player commits a `goal celebrating` offence (eg. taking the shirt off) the YELLOW CARD REMAINS even if the goal is disallowed (whether or not there is VAR).”

On this basis, were this a second bookable offence, then off he would go - without even the comfort of a goal against his/her name.

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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 3 Dec 08:19

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ipswichpar, Fri 3 Dec 07:27

The booking would be for the act of overcelebrating (leaving the field of play and going into to the crowd) so I`m pretty sure it wouldn`t be reversed even if the goal was disallowed.

I`m not sure what would happen in your thought experiment if he stands on David De Gea first.


I think you`re right, but it`s not really fair, is it? If the ref chalks the goal off straight away, then the player doesn`t leave the field to celebrate and he doesn`t get booked.

You`ve lost me by bringing De Gea into a game between Brighton and West Ham - maybe I`m just being a bit thick? 🙁



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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Fri 3 Dec 08:41

I`m assuming you didn`t see the Man U Arsenal game last night? There was a debate about something similar....I`ll not ruin it for you!

I would have thought the teacher in you would have been wanting to apply the rules despite any extenuating circumstances! I think the rules and punishment are clear so I think it`s the right thing for the booking (and potential red card) to remain, personally.
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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 3 Dec 10:01

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ipswichpar, Fri 3 Dec 08:41

I`m assuming you didn`t see the Man U Arsenal game last night? There was a debate about something similar....I`ll not ruin it for you!

I would have thought the teacher in you would have been wanting to apply the rules despite any extenuating circumstances! I think the rules and punishment are clear so I think it`s the right thing for the booking (and potential red card) to remain, personally.


I`ve seen the Man U - Arsenal highlights now. Your post makes much more sense now. 🙂

Do you have a one-size-fits-all view of teachers? Thankfully, we`re all different. ☺



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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Fri 3 Dec 10:08

Definitely treat teachers and medical people in the same regard....some best avoided but most are crackers in their own special way.
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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: parsfan  
Date:   Fri 3 Dec 10:22

In the Scotland game against Israel Dykes got booked in the incident that, after VAR, resulted in the goal being awarded. Was that one rescinded?

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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: pars4life1  
Date:   Fri 3 Dec 10:34

Dykes one was rescinded. Difference being he was booked for dangerous play, which the video showed to be incorrect:

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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: Jjonjord  
Date:   Fri 3 Dec 14:17

Cristiano Ronaldo scored an injury time winner for Juventus earlier in the season, top off, ran to the corner flag in front of the cameras.

Turns out he was offside, disallowed by VAR and he got booked for a goal that didn`t happen.

https://youtu.be/cSmhJ0hqh24
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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 3 Dec 15:17

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Jjonjord, Fri 3 Dec 14:17

Cristiano Ronaldo scored an injury time winner for Juventus earlier in the season, top off, ran to the corner flag in front of the cameras.

Turns out he was offside, disallowed by VAR and he got booked for a goal that didn`t happen.

https://youtu.be/cSmhJ0hqh24


It`s a double whammy, isn`t it? You`d think chalking off a "goal" would be punishment enough. Of course, the vast majority of players don`t give a monkey`s about a yellow card for overcelebrating if do score an injury time winner.



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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 3 Dec 15:47

Why do players feel the need to take their shirts off to celebrate scoring a goal, especially now that it reveals they`re all wearing sports bras underneath?

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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Fri 3 Dec 15:54

Men`s football has has a homoerotic edge in my time watching.

It doesn`t seem that long ago that a kiss on the lips and a pat on the backside was a standard goal celebration.


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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 3 Dec 16:41

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wee eck, Fri 3 Dec 15:47

Why do players feel the need to take their shirts off to celebrate scoring a goal, especially now that it reveals they`re all wearing sports bras underneath?


🤣 I can`t imagine guys like Willie Cunningham, Jim Kerray or Roy Barry, running around whirling their shirts above their heads, a la Cristiano Ronaldo, but perhaps if they`d had a six pack like he has...... 🤔

There definitely has been an increase in extravagant celebrations in my almost 60 years of watching football. Back in the 60s, most scorers were lucky if they received a slap on the back or a handshake, rather than a mere cursory nod.



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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Fri 3 Dec 16:46

These “celebratory” bookings are entirely avoidable, players know the rules.
The ref probably doesn’t want to be a party pooper but can’t duck out of booking the culprit - he would get an averse mark in his report card!

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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Fri 3 Dec 18:14

Dykes got his card rescinded but i am sure robertson was also booked for protest didn’t.

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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Mon 6 Dec 05:38

All depends on if the ref is baldy or not

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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 6 Dec 09:54

Surely the `baldy` theory of referees was exposed as a myth at Hamilton on Saturday?

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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: kechal7  
Date:   Mon 6 Dec 10:01

Dykes was never booked v Israel so nothing was rescinded

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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: Sammy_Must_Die  
Date:   Mon 6 Dec 10:04

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kechal7, Mon 6 Dec 10:01

Dykes was never booked v Israel so nothing was rescinded


Certain both he and Robertson were booked!



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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: kechal7  
Date:   Mon 6 Dec 12:06

He definitely wasn`t. He was the only person on my bet builder to let me down for £1,500 and I hadn`t seen it rescinded. So I watched it the next morning and he was never shown a card

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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Mon 6 Dec 18:16

Some refs who are not baldy are bad but all refs who are baldy are bad

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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 6 Dec 21:40

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kechal7, Mon 6 Dec 12:06

He definitely wasn`t. He was the only person on my bet builder to let me down for £1,500 and I hadn`t seen it rescinded. So I watched it the next morning and he was never shown a card


https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/international/steve-clarke-reveals-whether-lyndon-dykes-will-take-scotlands-next-penalty-after-israel-miss-3413889

Definitely was rescinded in the game so your bet would have been settled without a yellow.

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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 6 Dec 21:47

In fact..

https://youtu.be/e5KvKh2ummI
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 Re: A question for budding referees
Topic Originator: kechal7  
Date:   Tue 7 Dec 08:34

The article is wrong. As you can see from the video it`s just Robertson that gets shown a yellow card. At no point does the referee rescind anything

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