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 Today is the day
Topic Originator: RMGpar  
Date:   Mon 9 May 10:18

Today is the day the club start planning for life in league 1, I understand there is a meeting today... If by the end of the day YOGI is still here I reckon we need to get used to the idea that he will be the manager next season.

I expect a player update tomorrow too...

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Mon 9 May 10:31

We will see. It is good to make a decision as early as possible to give us the best start for next season, but if he is still manager by the end of the day then I think the fallout will last a long time.

Let`s look at the positives. Even if we finish bottom of League One next year (32nd in the Scottish leagues) it still won`t be as bad as 1983/84 when we finished 33rd!

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Mon 9 May 10:40

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aaaaaaaaaargh, Mon 9 May 10:31

We will see. It is good to make a decision as early as possible to give us the best start for next season, but if he is still manager by the end of the day then I think the fallout will last a long time.

Let`s look at the positives. Even if we finish bottom of League One next year (32nd in the Scottish leagues) it still won`t be as bad as 1983/84 when we finished 33rd!


Yes, I am so much happier today in the knowledge of that fact. Thank you. 😂
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Mon 9 May 10:57

Hopefully he’s gone by the time I sit down to my dinner.

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: GG4  
Date:   Mon 9 May 11:00

Yes today is the day for a lot of folk.

Either resignation or removal of the Management team.

Nothing else is acceptable to me.

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: steaua  
Date:   Mon 9 May 11:25

Just back from EEP and there`s a lot of cars about for a Monday.

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: Zimbo  
Date:   Mon 9 May 11:27

Was one of them a taxi?
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: RMGpar  
Date:   Mon 9 May 11:28

There IS a board meeting taking place

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 9 May 11:35

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Zimbo, Mon 9 May 11:27

Was one of them a taxi?


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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks  
Date:   Mon 9 May 11:45

Is there anything positive to draw from Yogi’s tenure ? If you’re being kind you could say he gave the kids opportunity but I believe that’s come from Meggle and co. and ultimately that’s failed. Must go for me it’s been brutal.

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: Row_ZZ  
Date:   Mon 9 May 11:46

Topic Originator: Zimbo
Date: Mon 9 May 11:27

Was one of them a taxi?


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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par  
Date:   Mon 9 May 12:15

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RMGpar, Mon 09 May 10:18

Today is the day the club start planning for life in league 1, I understand there is a meeting today... If by the end of the day YOGI is still here I reckon we need to get used to the idea that he will be the manager next season.

I expect a player update tomorrow too...


Let’s hope the board meeting decides to part way with Hughes and carry out a full autopsy of what has gone wrong. Time for some directors to step away from the running of the club. Too many mistakes have been made.
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: Toddyrov  
Date:   Mon 9 May 12:52

Surely has to go, take some coaches with him too. Little to no players have improved

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:02

I know i am in the minority here as i think we should keep him on as it takes time to build a team and he deserves a pre season to put together a squad capable of challenging for Promotion and if that doesn`t work we can make a change at that point
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: RMGpar  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:06

So the next manager is left with all his signings? We need a long term plan going forward now

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: GPar00  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:12

Don`t think many of these `players` will want to stay as they will think they can do better than League 1. Would like to see Yogi gone with as much `wheeling and dealing` possible to get rid of Chalmers and Todarov etc. A long term plan is needed though, you are right there, just not with yogi in charge imo.

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: The Toun Clock  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:12

"So the next manager is left with all his signings? We need a long term plan going forward now"

The only Hughes signing signed up for next season is Joe Chalmers. Everyone else is a loan so not that much of an issue. The duds PG signed is a bigger problem.

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:12

"Is there anything positive to draw from Yogi’s tenure ? If you’re being kind you could say he gave the kids opportunity but I believe that’s come from Meggle and co. and ultimately that’s failed. Must go for me it’s been brutal."


Only the fact that he won some games and the atmosphere at EEP improved dramatically over the last few month - albeit that turned completely at full-time on Saturday. I doubt he would have taken us down if he started the season, but there`s not enough there to keep him on.

The board need to sell season tickets in a few weeks time and get the fans on board so that we have the best chance of bouncing straight back up. It`s difficult to do that by sticking with a manager who was last seen serenaded off to a chorus of "dirty falkirk b******".

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: par-91  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:14

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dafc-chris1, Mon 9 May 13:02

I know i am in the minority here as i think we should keep him on as it takes time to build a team and he deserves a pre season to put together a squad capable of challenging for Promotion and if that doesn`t work we can make a change at that point


But isn’t it too late by that point? If you’re arguing that 24 games and 7 signings isn’t enough time to make his stamp on things, then don’t we just end up risking entering a strange cycle of allowing managers to spend the budget/build a team, then admitting it was a mistake? We’d just end up in the exact position we were in October/November.

At this point, when you include the playoffs, Hughes has had twice as many games as Grant was given. Grant got given a summer window and was sacked after 12 games. We had a caretaker team in charge for 2, then Hughes got 22 games plus playoffs. Worth remembering, we were 3 points off 6th place when Hughes came in, we weren’t some sort of lost cause.

Several other bottom half teams sacked their manager after we did and appointed managers that were able to turn things round/save those clubs. Hughes wasn’t able to do that and failed his primary objective. His recruitment in January saw the club bring in guys like Polworth, Lawless, Ambrose and Chalmers. All of them were poor signings and were some of the worst players on the park during the final weeks of the season and playoffs. Is the manager that signed them not responsible for that?

Every week, we watched opposing managers make changes to try and win the game/get back into the game and Hughes always seemed to wait until it was too late (already conceded an equaliser/given them the lead) before he chose to react to the shift in momentum. That is not the sign of a good manager. If we’d gone down fighting, I could understand those defending him. But we went down because the manager was playing for a draw at home to Queens Park and stuck with players/a system that wasn’t working for far too long.
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: Currie Par  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:23

Does anyone know how long yogi`s contract is?

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: GPar00  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:25

He was appointed on a 18 month deal in November 2021. Hopefully with a relegation clause inserted into it, given our situation that should have been standard.

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: ParfectXI  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:25

I have a bad feeling the BOD will give him another season. That would be the worst thing though, I can’t see us getting out of League 1 with Yogi and the two Boo Boos in charge. It’ll also widen the gap between club and fans which might be difficult if not impossible to recover

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:26

It`s 18 months and Par-91 makes some good points

I`d argue that guys like Todorov and Chalmers could be very effective in league one?




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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:30

I think we should be looking for a new long term Manager, perhaps Jack Ross, give him a four or five year contract (with exit clauses) and get a plan in to rebuild the playing squad and plan for the future with the youth academy eventually providing the conveyor belt of local talent

Ditching your manager twice a season will never work, you end up replacing one failure with another, especially if we retain those coaching staff members who have been an ongoing part of the repeated failure

Get the plan In place for the next five years and then work towards it, if the fans are aware of where we are going they are much more likely to be on board and buy in

“Doing the same thing time and again will achieve the same results” those are the words of our outgoing chairman

Time to do some radical thinking and get the changes made all the way through the clubs structure, say thank you to those who were instrumental in saving the club but look to bring in new people who will believe in the plan and be prepared to see it through

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: GPar00  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:31

Todarov maybe, especially with some quality crosses into the box he can be a handful. Chalmers no chance imo. He is slow, passive and offers nothing in an attacking or defending sense. I would maybe be inclined to keep him if he was a set piece specialist or a work horse like Pybus but I don`t see it.

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: BA  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:32

If you took a league table just from the games Yogi was in charge where would we have finished?

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: GPar00  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:38

8th, 25 points from 22 games. Above the rovers (24pts) and QoS (21pts)

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: SeasonedPar  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:38

I was raging after QP scored.

I get how we go 2 4 4 when attacking, and there might be positional changes during the game, but his inability to bring on subs early enough is the biggest issue. It worked v Ayr, but it’s usually too late to effect the game and leaving it till the 5 mins of additional time sealed it for me. He did bring on Comrie and Pybus after Ambrose was sent off, we might’ve benefitted from fresh legs, but he left other changes far too late.

Too many poor displays, no fight or character in that team, the QP result was hardly a freak one.

He has to go.
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: king lad  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:41

Todorov could be more effective in league 1, he`s not mobile enough to play as a lone striker which is why Hughes refused to play him most of the time. But I think he`s looked decent enough at times and would add a physicality if he was part of a strike partnership next season.

Chalmers shouldn`t be anywhere near the team next year, he`s a `luxury` player at best who has the least fight of any midfielder I`ve ever seen despite his size. He slows the play down too much and against teams that are compact in League 1 they`ll just reorganise before the team can get the ball forward which is what happened any time he got the ball this year. The midfield needs some energy and battle in it to consistently win games week in week out against some decent opposition next season.
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: par-91  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:42

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BA, Mon 9 May 13:32

If you took a league table just from the games Yogi was in charge where would we have finished?


Looked this up last week

1. Arbroath - 41
2. Kilmarnock - 38
3. Inverness - 34
4. Hamilton - 29
5. Morton - 28
6. Partick - 28
7. Ayr - 26
8. Dunfermline - 25
9. Raith - 24
10. QoS - 21

That’s the table for the last 22 games of the season.
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: LEGEND85  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:53

Today should be the day for this in my opinion

1) Statement from the investors confirming what they think lies ahead and what strategy do they have to resolve this situation.

2) CEO been at the club long enough to know what he wants to improve off the field

3) Total clearout of the management team with the exception of Greg Shields he should be given the chance to help with the academy.

4) Clear out the squad wouldn`t care if any of them stayed next season
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:55

Decent post legend85, I’d agree on all fronts. Shields can stay as long as he is only working with the kids.

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: Toddyrov  
Date:   Mon 9 May 14:02

That table includes rovers going on one of their worst runs ever and we end up Only one point above. Depressing stuff



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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74  
Date:   Mon 9 May 14:22

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Toddyrov, Mon 9 May 14:02

That table includes rovers going on one of their worst runs ever and we end up Only one point above. Depressing stuff


Or only 4 points of a play off place. You could argue some bad decisions (Hamilton away) and bad luck with Martins own goal would have seen us ok. I think we had more than other clubs bad luck.
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: Toddyrov  
Date:   Mon 9 May 14:41

You could argue that but you could also argue that ayr completely chucked it against us and when we beat rovers they had key players oot and they were in the midst of one of their worst ever runs. At the end of the day we couldn’t even get passed the first play off game over two legs against queens, we scored 0 and deserve to be down

If that message comes off as confrontational, it’s not meant too.

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Mon 9 May 14:42

I thought we were unlucky on Saturday.

Problem is, we put ourselves in a position where bad luck became catastrophic rather than annoying.

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Mon 9 May 14:42

No white smoke yet?




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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 9 May 14:52

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Raymie the Legend, Mon 9 May 14:42

No white smoke yet?


We`re not wanting a pope, Raymie. Even older and knows even less about fitbaw. 🙁



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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: Parfect69  
Date:   Mon 9 May 15:15

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DA-go Par Adonis, Mon 09 May 14:42

I thought we were unlucky on Saturday.

Problem is, we put ourselves in a position where bad luck became catastrophic rather than annoying.


Sorry DA, I just can’t agree with that. I think we got exactly what we deserved on Saturday. With that team and that set up we were there for the taking.
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: halbe  
Date:   Mon 9 May 15:42


The board need to get a badly let down support back on board and staying with Hughes just not going to do that.

Whether fair or not he will be remembered along with Grant for being the manager that took us down the 1st Division and both of them for a team that produced diabolical results and performances and there is no way back.

Hughes must know himself that he is gone with the support and the implications of that for him and the board going into a difficult season mean there is only one outcome here, and it would be hard to think of a more risky strategy for the board than sticking with him...

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Mon 9 May 15:51

I think they’ll keep him around for the season with “do we have the money to pay him off / can’t keep sacking managers after six months” attitude.

I’d like him gone, too, but we can’t always get what WE want.

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Mon 9 May 15:58

Topic Originator: halbe like
Date: Mon 9 May 15:42


The board need to get a badly let down support back on board and staying with Hughes just not going to do that.

Whether fair or not he will be remembered along with Grant for being the manager that took us down the 1st Division and both of them for a team that produced diabolical results and performances and there is no way back.

Hughes must know himself that he is gone with the support and the implications of that for him and the board going into a difficult season mean there is only one outcome here, and it would be hard to think of a more risky strategy for the board than sticking with him...


can`t argue with your logic, halbe




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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Mon 9 May 16:01

"Sorry DA, I just can’t agree with that. I think we got exactly what we deserved on Saturday. With that team and that set up we were there for the taking."

I would have picked a different team too. However, we should have been ahead in the first half and I thought Ambrose was unlucky to get red carded. Most times that`s a yellow in my view - when the player is wide of goal and Todd is in the vicinity.

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: USMac  
Date:   Mon 9 May 16:03

I was surprised at the starting lineup and to see Yogi make only two subs (both shortly after the red card) prior to the 89th minute when QP scored.

I watched the highlights, and I would have thought that we would have created more chances before the red card.

I`m never in favor of additional transaction costs unless absolutely necessary.

But I don`t think Yogi is the manager for the team in League One.

Maybe there`s a silver lining in that our young players played quite a bit this season and made breakthroughs. In League One, they should play a lot.

It was great to see Lewis Martin back out there on Saturday, filling in for Edwards and getting forward and then slotting in the CB position when Efe was dismissed. I would want to sign him up for next year if his injury is behind him.

I`m not a proponent for a one-trick manager to get us out of League One in one year. I want someone in for the long haul, preferably a younger manager who wants an opportunity to cut his teeth.

Paul Hartley has had time at Cove (after managing at a higher level), and so has Kevin Thomson at Kelty. They had no initial experience in the lower leagues, but they did very well. Posters have mentioned Scott Brown, but I would also consider Shaun Maloney, and there are others.

And people need to realize that we very well may not get out of League One in one season. It should be a two-year plan based on youth.

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: 1985Par  
Date:   Mon 9 May 16:14

Shaun Maloney?? He’d make Yogi’s style look like Wimbledon in the 80s. Evident that he has neither the communication skills or charisma from his short time at Hibs. Not cut out for football management at all.

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Mon 9 May 16:18

Having watched us against the 4th best team in League One, I`d suggest the answer for getting back up isn`t to pitch in Todd, Allan, Fenton, McCann plus 7 others - if we want to challenge for the title.

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Mon 9 May 17:06

Todd is the only one of our youngsters to have done okay this season and that was only once moved to right back.

Martin looked hesitant and way of the pace on sat, think his time would be up if we hadn’t got relegated but he might sneak another deal now.

I just can’t see how yogi sees next season out either way, unless we romp it and that’s just not going to happen. If yogi is Ona hiding to nothing why give him the budget or allow him to sign anyone on more than a 1 year deal?

Basically if we stick we yogi there is no longer term plan, like his tactics it’s all a bit and hope.

Things will be looking up……..now yogi is gone!

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Mon 9 May 17:30

Martin did his job keeping Quitongo quiet, eventually getting him subbed.

He really shouldn`t have been flung into such a crucial game after being stuck on the subs bench for so long, I thought he was our best player first half.
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Mon 9 May 18:04

Lol quitongo kept himself quiet he was that poor.

That said, I would offer martin a pay as you play type deal or a deal until Christmas.

Things will be looking up……..now yogi is gone!

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: hudza  
Date:   Mon 9 May 18:42

Yogi has to go, made an absolute mess of it the last 4 games. Stinking tactics cost us at Partick away and then the playoffs.

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: hudza  
Date:   Mon 9 May 18:46

Queen’s Park are mince as well btw, getting beat from them over 2 games is actually embarrassing. They needed extra time to beat Dundonald Bluebell

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: RMGpar  
Date:   Mon 9 May 19:03

Mind we got gubbed from a navy team

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: fcda  
Date:   Mon 9 May 19:32

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par-91, Mon 9 May 13:42

1. Arbroath - 41
2. Kilmarnock - 38
3. Inverness - 34
4. Hamilton - 29
5. Morton - 28
6. Partick - 28
7. Ayr - 26
8. Dunfermline - 25
9. Raith - 24
10. QoS - 21


Interesting. If the last game against QOS had mattered, we`d probably have seen it out for the win, putting us joint 5th in the hypothetical table. Not too shabby.
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74  
Date:   Mon 9 May 20:29

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fcda, Mon 9 May 19:32

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par-91, Mon 9 May 13:42

1. Arbroath - 41
2. Kilmarnock - 38
3. Inverness - 34
4. Hamilton - 29
5. Morton - 28
6. Partick - 28
7. Ayr - 26
8. Dunfermline - 25
9. Raith - 24
10. QoS - 21


Interesting. If the last game against QOS had mattered, we`d probably have seen it out for the win, putting us joint 5th in the hypothetical table. Not too shabby.


Does these points include the Inverness game? I think it should as John was appointed and in pre match and half time. Hopefully someone can clarify as we’re then talking about a more successful role?
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Mon 9 May 20:30

^^ it doesnt.

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Mon 9 May 21:32

There`s not a chance you can credit Hughes with the three points in the Inverness game.
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: BA  
Date:   Mon 9 May 21:41

Very interesting indeed… hence why I asked cause I had a feeling it wouldn’t look too bad. I agree if the last game properly mattered we’d have seen it. A decent ref away to Hamilton would have seen us alright too!

Yogi hasn’t been all bad. He inherited a pile of absolute dross, couldnt trust some maturer players so felt he had to start the likes of Allan and Todd in midfield. Got landed with a terrible defence that had used god knows how many CB’s! The guy actually done alright to get us off the bottom if you ask me.

I get the 1 upfront - he felt he had to be pragmatic to protect the defence and keep us in games to give us a chance. I get the lack of subs at times cause the guys on his bench weren’t up to much. He’s had stick for the treatment of DT at times (me included) but now it’s coming out the guy has fallen out with everyone at various points! So maybe he was right to bench him!

I do accept however he didn’t give Wighton and O’hara much of a chance to begin with and I think he should have made Vytas stay, he’s in no way completely defendable.

If he goes I wouldnt be tok bothered, if he stays I wouldn’t be bothered either - can see why they’d give him a chance to build his own team considering the overhaul he had to have of PG’s sh*te!

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74  
Date:   Mon 9 May 22:29

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Grant, Mon 9 May 21:32

There`s not a chance you can credit Hughes with the three points in the Inverness game.


Why not? Shields and Whittaker seem to get blame for the remaining games, Shields said that JH changed things and travelled up with the team etc so had a clear input. He was appointed manager the day or so before so the stats have to include that game.

That might not suit your agenda however you’ve not decide not to include it. What’s the reason? He was DAFC manager when we played them.
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: theparsman1885  
Date:   Tue 10 May 00:33

We’ve underperformed all season. That underperformance continued under Hughes despite drastic changes to the squad.

For me, he is far too rigid in his style of play to entrust a season in League 1. He signed plenty of players but didn’t address the big issue that I think has been a problem for a while - our weak midfield. We were crying out for a solid player in the middle who could break up play and recycle.

I’m up for real change, let’s do something completely different. Why don’t we look to young foreign coaches and use this as a chance to properly reset the playing side?

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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Tue 10 May 05:07

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JamesAndrew74, Mon 9 May 22:29

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Grant, Mon 9 May 21:32

There`s not a chance you can credit Hughes with the three points in the Inverness game.


Why not? Shields and Whittaker seem to get blame for the remaining games, Shields said that JH changed things and travelled up with the team etc so had a clear input. He was appointed manager the day or so before so the stats have to include that game.

That might not suit your agenda however you’ve not decide not to include it. What’s the reason? He was DAFC manager when we played them.



It`d be a nonsense to credit the three points to someone purely on the basis that they travelled up on the bus, there`s no agenda. Shields and Whittaker deserve the credit for a good result.
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: par-91  
Date:   Tue 10 May 08:39

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JamesAndrew74, Mon 9 May 22:29

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Grant, Mon 9 May 21:32

There`s not a chance you can credit Hughes with the three points in the Inverness game.


Why not? Shields and Whittaker seem to get blame for the remaining games, Shields said that JH changed things and travelled up with the team etc so had a clear input. He was appointed manager the day or so before so the stats have to include that game.

That might not suit your agenda however you’ve not decide not to include it. What’s the reason? He was DAFC manager when we played them.


He wasn’t our manager when we played them though. He started the Monday after the Inverness game. Maybe the truth doesn’t suit your agenda in this case?

He may have had an influence on that result, having been announced the day before, but he wasn’t manager that day. The caretakers were still in charge. They took training that week to prepare, they picked the team and they were in the dugout, whilst the incoming Hughes watched from the stand. That’s why I didn’t include that game, he wasn’t our manager that day.
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Tue 10 May 08:59

If we had lost that game, would you credit the loss as Hughes fault?


Now who`s got the agenda...
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: 1985Par  
Date:   Tue 10 May 09:02

If you`re going to give Hughes all the credit for the win at Inverness, then it`s only fair that he takes all the blame for the shitshow that followed.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 10 May 10:35

Soccerbase include it in his managerial record so history will record it as a JH win. I presume they base their stats on dates of appointment/leaving. As far as I recall he was in the changing room at half-time when we were 0-1 down and I think Shields and Whittaker credited him with some input.

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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Tue 10 May 10:49

https://www.dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Managers_Post_Inverness&ID=13436

Our own website refers to Greig Shields as being the caretaker manager for the game, if it was John Hughes who was managing the team you wouldn`t need a caretaker manager.

If you start crediting Hughes with the win then you`d be aswell as crediting Scott Brown and John Collins with some of our results this season, the logic is exactly the same.
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 Re: Today is the day
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 10 May 10:55

Were Collins and Brown ever in the dressing-room or running on to the pitch at the end of a game to congratulate the players? What`s the big deal about this anyway? It`s not as if it defines his time as manager.

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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1  
Date:   Tue 10 May 10:57

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wee eck, Tue 10 May 10:55

Were Collins and Brown ever in the dressing-room or running on to the pitch at the end of a game to congratulate the players? What`s the big deal about this anyway? It`s not as if it defines his time as manager.


If we had lost that game, they would all be including it!
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Topic Originator: we won the cup in 68  
Date:   Tue 10 May 11:00

“Were Collins and Brown ever in the dressing-room or running on to the pitch at the end of a game to congratulate the players? What`s the big deal about this anyway? It`s not as if it defines his time as manager.”

Brian Rice the Alloa manager was certainly in our dressing room at half time and passing notes via the fitness coach to the dug out during the second half.

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