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Topic Originator: Alan
Date: Tue 10 May 05:36
Confirmed in the Daily Record this morning that he`s signed a pre contract with Queens Park, and wasn`t played against them due to a conflict of interest.
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Tue 10 May 06:20
???? Then why was he on the bench if he had no chance of playing , what a shambles of a club
G.B
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 10 May 06:32
He should have been placed on leave as any other employer would have been. To be sitting in the dressing room if this was known is a huge leap in faith in the lads integrity and one he should not have been subjected to.
Let’s see if this transpires but I find it very odd that if he did sign a pre contract, that he would be allowed to have this conflict of interest.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 10 May 06:36
I`m sorry but things like this and the Paul Watson fiasco make me despise football players these days.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 10 May 06:41
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 10 May 06:36
I`m sorry but things like this and the Paul Watson fiasco make me despise football players these days.
You despise someone for choosing to change employer, without even knowing the reason?
Why should he be committed to a team he has no ties to?
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Topic Originator: elvis_lives
Date: Tue 10 May 07:01
Quote:
gordi-b, Tue 10 May 06:20
???? Then why was he on the bench if he had no chance of playing , what a shambles of a club
Yep be shouldn`t have been in the squad for either game, should have been put on gardening leave.
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Topic Originator: xgatesmafia
Date: Tue 10 May 07:05
At least he was honest . I’m not sure that he had to even disclose it ?? Regardless I would have been playing him. Too important to our team this year and he wasn’t about to deliberately sabotage us. Slightly paranoid thinking there.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Tue 10 May 07:27
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 10 May 06:36
I`m sorry but things like this and the Paul Watson fiasco make me despise football players these days.
What are you on about? You despise footballers for signing for a new employer when the current contract expires? Heaven forbid.
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Tue 10 May 07:40
He`ll be getting a pay rise and he`s from Glasgow I`m sure, I can`t imagine he enjoyed playing for us in the last year either. No brainer.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Tue 10 May 07:48
I hope queen`s go up through the play-offs, they clearly have money to throw around.
Can see why the manager would question how much work he`d put into those matches. If queen`s win the play off Thomas will be in the championship next year. Still doesn`t make it right.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 10 May 07:54
Seems suspect by Queens to sign him before playing against them. Can`t blame Thomas as he`s got to think of himself.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Tue 10 May 07:57
Topic Originator: xgatesmafia
Date: Tue 10 May 07:05
At least he was honest . I’m not sure that he had to even disclose it ?? Regardless I would have been playing him. Too important to our team this year and he wasn’t about to deliberately sabotage us. Slightly paranoid thinking there.
How can you play someone whose signed for the other team ?
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Topic Originator: Lambo1885
Date: Tue 10 May 08:07
"He`ll be getting a pay rise and he`s from Glasgow I`m sure, I can`t imagine he enjoyed playing for us in the last year either. No brainer."
Apparently where Queens train is only 5 minutes from DT`s house.
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Tue 10 May 08:17
As much as there’s every chance this is true, it’s also not unheard of for the media to take info from these forums and release it as ‘news’.
If he has indeed signed a pre-contract, good on him and I wish him the best. It explains why he wasn’t involved in the playoffs, but you can’t blame the guy for looking out for his own career and getting out of this club.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 10 May 08:24
I wish the Laddie all the best
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 10 May 08:32
Quote:
PARrot, Tue 10 May 06:41
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 10 May 06:36
I`m sorry but things like this and the Paul Watson fiasco make me despise football players these days.
You despise someone for choosing to change employer, without even knowing the reason?
Why should he be committed to a team he has no ties to?
He was contracted to us but clearly put our manager in a position where he couldn`t be played in our most important game of the season. He`s probably our most talented player and we`ve just been relegated. Other players are accused of being lazy, showing no fight or passion etc but at least Chalmers, Lawless etc played the 90 minutes whereas Thomas gets wished well on his way after making himself unable to be selected
I`ve no problem with him "looking after himself" but the way he`s done this stinks. There was a lot of anger directed at Hughes at the end of the game & not having Thomas on the pitch at all was probably responsible for a lot of it. Turns out the player gave the manager no choice.
Post Edited (Tue 10 May 08:46)
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Tue 10 May 08:39
Or maybe it was agreed a few weeks back and it’s just unfortunate that we came up against Queen’s Park? Why even have him on the bench if that was the case then? Seems stupid to even have him involved if no intentions of playing him
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Tue 10 May 08:42
must be some wage he`s been offered to go and play infront of 300 folk.
He shouldn`t even be on the bench if he`s signed a pre contract.
Our club is a shambles
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 10 May 08:46
Thomas would have been in an untenable position if he’d played.
Imagine if contributed to a Pars win - his new club denied the opportunity to contest the playoff for promotion and potentially for himself in the Championship next season.
That would really have endeared him to QP and their support…….something that would be held against him indefinitely I reckon.
Or he might have been minded to do a “Barry Mitchell” on us - which would have soured his departure from EEP and his reputation as a professional.
Putting him on the bench - where is the logic in that ?
Post Edited (Tue 10 May 08:49)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 10 May 08:48
"That would really have endeared him to QP and their support…….something that would held against him indefinitely I reckon."
I completely disagree. I reckon it would show the very highest level of professionalism which would/should be applauded. Even the QP fans would have to agree if they really thought about it
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 10 May 08:56
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 10 May 08:48
"That would really have endeared him to QP and their support…….something that would held against him indefinitely I reckon."
I completely disagree. I reckon it would show the very highest level of professionalism which would/should be applauded. Even the QP fans would have to agree if they really thought about it
So - what if he’d had a stinker of a game, just a bad day at the office, and maybe had to be subbed off ?
The minute he appeared on the park he would have had it tight from the home support - wasn’t it you who described him as a rat after news of the pre contract with QP ?
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Tue 10 May 08:58
Steven Bell, Joe Cardle and McDougall all played against us despite signing pre contracts.
Bell scored, Cardle won a penalty and McDougall also played well.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 10 May 09:01
Quote:
Grant, Tue 10 May 08:58
Steven Bell, Joe Cardle and McDougall all played against us despite signing pre contracts.
Bell scored, Cardle won a penalty and McDougall also played well.
Did the games in question have a direct bearing on promotion/relegation etc.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 10 May 09:03
Quote:
veteraneastender, Tue 10 May 08:56
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 10 May 08:48
"That would really have endeared him to QP and their support…….something that would held against him indefinitely I reckon."
I completely disagree. I reckon it would show the very highest level of professionalism which would/should be applauded. Even the QP fans would have to agree if they really thought about it
So - what if he’d had a stinker of a game, just a bad day at the office, and maybe had to be subbed off ?
The minute he appeared on the park he would have had it tight from the home support - wasn’t it you who described him as a rat after news of the pre contract with QP ?
Yes it was and I stand by that. I look forward to seeing you applauding him sportingly as he runs rings around us next season.
Weird
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 10 May 09:06
It`s a difficult one, even with hindsight
What if he`d played him and Thomas had a stinker, or got himself sent off?
Probably a no win situation?
It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Tue 10 May 09:06
Why was he even in the squad against QP?
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Tue 10 May 09:08
I`m not seeing what he did wrong, you mean to say if you switch jobs you quit your job before applying for another one?
It`s pretty standard to sign a pre contract, good luck to the guy.
To compare this to Watson is not the same, he sacked himself basically.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 10 May 09:08
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 10 May 09:03
Quote:
veteraneastender, Tue 10 May 08:56
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 10 May 08:48
"That would really have endeared him to QP and their support…….something that would held against him indefinitely I reckon."
I completely disagree. I reckon it would show the very highest level of professionalism which would/should be applauded. Even the QP fans would have to agree if they really thought about it
So - what if he’d had a stinker of a game, just a bad day at the office, and maybe had to be subbed off ?
The minute he appeared on the park he would have had it tight from the home support - wasn’t it you who described him as a rat after news of the pre contract with QP ?
Yes it was and I stand by that. I look forward to seeing you applauding him sportingly as he runs rings around us next season.
Weird
Professional athletes must be extremely focussed as it is fine margins between success and failure and it is clear to me that if this is true Dom should not have been in the stadium for the two games against Queens Park. I like him and still like him as a player and the modern world of football allows for such situations to arise, but the club, if they knew, should have removed this conflict of interest to protect both the club and the individual from any such discussions we are having.
Post Edited (Tue 10 May 09:09)
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 10 May 09:08
He was a good servant to the club during his time here, despite being messed around by Grant and played in midfield.
Going by da no 1’s mindset Kevin Nisbet must also fall into the rodent category ?
Post Edited (Tue 10 May 09:10)
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Topic Originator: InschPar
Date: Tue 10 May 09:13
If this is true, and Hughes was aware of this, it beggars belief why he was anywhere near the match day squad?
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Tue 10 May 09:16
One good game out of five and when the flicks and tricks aren`t coming off he is posted missing. Good luck to him but no great loss.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 10 May 09:17
Quote:
InschPar, Tue 10 May 09:13
If this is true, and Hughes was aware of this, it beggars belief why he was anywhere near the match day squad?
Perhaps Hughes wanted to keep Queens Park guessing and put DT on the bench with no intention of playing him?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Tue 10 May 09:41
Going to be controversial but I am not even that bothered TBH. On his day, a great player, but that day is far and few between. Always seems to play well when the TV cameras are there. Seems to fall out (or least there has been an issue there) with every manager he`s worked under (Hibs, Crawford, Grant and Yogi) If he was really that good he would be in the team week in and week out, It`s easy for us to sit here and moan when he is not in the team but there clearly a lot that goes on behind the scenes.
Anyone who is not committed to rolling up the socks in league 1 to get us out the mess then they can leave IMO.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 10 May 10:03
Quote:
veteraneastender, Tue 10 May 09:08
He was a good servant to the club during his time here, despite being messed around by Grant and played in midfield.
Going by da no 1’s mindset Kevin Nisbet must also fall into the rodent category ?
I`ve explained the logic behind my opinion and the rather unusual set of circumstances (him signing for the team that relegated us) Stop trying to bend it to suit something else
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 10 May 10:08
I`ve never really understood the point of PCAs. Hasn`t it been shown in the past that they`re not enforceable in any case? If I`d known he`d signed a PCA with QP I wouldn`t have expected him to be involved. You can name so many subs now that including him on the bench was hardly significant.
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Topic Originator: The Toun Clock
Date: Tue 10 May 10:11
Another ridiculous blunder by the club, never mind being on the bench why was he in the stadium.
Knowing the guy Yogi is I can`t understand why he`s put DT on the bench. All the fans are furious with him because he didn`t bring him on, when in fact he had a good reason not to. I wish the club would be transparent with certain scenarios because the fans would be more understanding if told about it.
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Tue 10 May 10:28
Do people believe that Dom signing a pre-contract means he’s the only player that had decided he didn’t want to be here next season? He is/was a Pars player and I’m sure he’d have given 100% if he was in the team.
Euan Murray signed a pre-contract with Killie last January and gave 100% for the rest of the season and kept the armband. Lee Ashcroft did the same with Dundee the year before and played (including a 2-0 win against Dundee). I doubt very many (if any) of our loan players plan to be here next year, should we just have refused to play them?
If Dom had played and not given 100%, he would be deserving of criticism and his professionalism would rightly be questioned. However, that didn’t happen, so he has done nothing wrong.
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Topic Originator: Taxipar
Date: Tue 10 May 10:39
I get the fact he signed a pre-contract with QP but why the secret society just come out tell the fans! He’s entitled to seek new employment. But to put him on the bench to make up numbers ! Why, the club is a train wreck at the moment
A par since 1985
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Tue 10 May 10:43
It`s really up to the manager as to whether the player was in the right frame of mind to play. Im guessing the answer to that was no, or at the very least Hughes didn`t think he was.
Could well be seeing him in League 1 next year anyway if he ends up going to QP, Airdrie can actually put the ball in the net unlike this pars team so they`ll be pretty strong favourites
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 10 May 10:46
I agree with that, king lad
It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Tue 10 May 10:52
He wasn`t in the starting lineup for the previous game against Partick either. If this story is true, who knows when it was revealed to Yogi, or was he dropped from that game for other reasons?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 10 May 10:58
He started the QOS game.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 10 May 11:01
Maybe he was on the bench because, arguably, he hasn`t kicked a ball since the 2-0 Rovers win.
Would fit in with others` views that you get 1 good game in 5/6.
But it`s all about Chalmers/Dorrans isn`t it? They`re to blame for our relegation.
He`s extremely talented at this level but seems to me he`d fall out with his own shadow.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 10 May 11:16
"I`ve explained the logic behind my opinion and the rather unusual set of circumstances (him signing for the team that relegated us) Stop trying to bend it to suit something else"
Apologies for having the temerity to demur from your logic with a differing opinion.
There was a clear conflict of interest in Thomas` situation and he was in an untenable position, damned if he does and damned if he doesn`t - whatever way you wish to spin it.
The real "culprit" (as Wee Eck recognises) is the whole concept of pre contract agreements whilst the season is still in progress - how that is addressed is well above my pay grade.
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Tue 10 May 11:16
Good luck to the guy, that`s why he is not playing for a decent top tier team, lack of consistency etc.
We did fine by him, at 26 he knows his chances of playing at a higher level are done
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Tue 10 May 11:48
another in the mould of higginbotham, unstoppable on his game but that game is 1 in 4. Undoubtable talent but was only with us as isnt capable of doing it week in week out.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Tue 10 May 11:50
Good luck to him hope he continues to show what he can do when given the opportunity
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Tue 10 May 11:54
Quote:
Playup_Pompey, Tue 10 May 11:48
another in the mould of higginbotham, unstoppable on his game but that game is 1 in 4. Undoubtable talent but was only with us as isnt capable of doing it week in week out.
Wouldn`t argue with that. What people find annoying though is the fact that players with far less talent that aren`t capable of doing it at all were playing every week!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 10 May 11:59
"Going by da no 1’s mindset Kevin Nisbet must also fall into the rodent category ?"
"whatever way you wish to spin it."
I take issue with someone twisting my words to back their own argument. The situation with Nisbet is completely different as I have explained earlier.
Our most talented player, the one who could & should have carried us through these play-off games, has been posted missing for weeks & it`s now clear why. He`d signed for another team that just happened to be the team that relegated us. I don`t think that`s right. You think it`s perfectly fine. Let`s leave it at that, as I can`t be bothered discussing it anymore.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 10 May 12:00
It is sad to see him go and a player like Dom could have won us that on Saturday?
It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: TurinPar
Date: Tue 10 May 12:08
I agree Raymie, he could have turned the game around for us. Says something that he didn’t see a future at the Pars under Yogi.
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Topic Originator: BA
Date: Tue 10 May 12:10
Euan Murray signed a pre-contract with Killie last January and gave 100% for the rest of the season and kept the armband. Lee Ashcroft did the same with Dundee the year before and played (including a 2-0 win against Dundee). I doubt very many (if any) of our loan players plan to be here next year, should we just have refused to play them?
Murray gave 100%… you’re having a giraffe eh! The guy was always laughing and chuckling after defeats. Should never have kept the armband, weak management from SC!
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Tue 10 May 12:17
Agree Murray chucked it after his departure was secured
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Tue 10 May 12:18
Hope Thomas gets booted 40ft into the stands if we play Queens next season….
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 10 May 12:21
Another Calum Morris situation, once again in a play off?
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Topic Originator: rikaka
Date: Tue 10 May 12:25
Callum Morris hadn`t signed for cowdenbeath so no.
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Topic Originator: sammy_shuffle
Date: Tue 10 May 12:42
I don`t think Lee Ashcroft signed a pre contract with Dundee. He was out of contract but due to COVID and the pars reluctance to furlough or offer new terms at that time he was let go.
Yet another mistake by the board.They hid behind the legal uncertainty. As far as I am aware other teams that did furlough players have not been asked to pay the money back.
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Tue 10 May 12:43
Quote:
TAFKA_Super_Petrie, Tue 10 May 09:16
One good game out of five and when the flicks and tricks aren`t coming off he is posted missing. Good luck to him but no great loss.
You do realise he scored 5 and had 6 assists out of the total Pars goals scored (36) this season? If you think our forward play is bad, I hate to imagine what it would have been like without DT...
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Topic Originator: evo!
Date: Tue 10 May 12:53
Why Queens Park? Well money aside of course. They have a 50% chance of being in league 1 next season. Surely some decent championship sides,if not lower end premier league clubs may have been interested. He seems to have been hasty here, though i totally get why he would wanna leave
BEAST!
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Topic Originator: rikaka
Date: Tue 10 May 12:53
Money
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 10 May 13:07
I accepted long ago that, under freedom of contract, players are mercenaries and I`m sure money plays a huge part in any move. You can`t blame them for that but what does annoy me is when a club invests a lot of time and money treating players when they have an injury which keeps them out of the game for some time, covers the cost of any necessary surgery, gets them back to full fitness and is then told the player is signing for someone else. That happened with Thomas and it was also the case with Euan Murray after he suffered that horrific head injury at Dumfries. Didn`t it also happen even before freedom of contract with George O`Boyle?
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 10 May 13:17
No loyalty these days in football, wee eck
It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Tue 10 May 13:25
Quote:
sammy_shuffle, Tue 10 May 12:42
I don`t think Lee Ashcroft signed a pre contract with Dundee. He was out of contract but due to COVID and the pars reluctance to furlough or offer new terms at that time he was let go.
Yet another mistake by the board.They hid behind the legal uncertainty. As far as I am aware other teams that did furlough players have not been asked to pay the money back.
I was told in January 2020 he had agreed to join Dundee in the summer. Now, it could just be total coincidence that he ended up there, but it suggests to me that my info was correct.
Indeed, from what I heard at the time, a few of the players ‘released’ in May 2020 had rejected contracts with us and said they had no interest in staying pre-covid. Why should the club have shown that loyalty to them, when they had shown that lack of loyalty to the club?
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Topic Originator: dafc
Date: Tue 10 May 13:33
He should have played end off. No different to numerous situations year after year , he is either a professional or not. I suspect he would have given his all regardless. Not a surprise he signed elsewhere given is lack of game time despite his obvious ability.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Tue 10 May 14:14
dafc wrote:
> He should have played end off. No different to numerous
> situations year after year , he is either a professional or
> not. I suspect he would have given his all regardless. Not a
> surprise he signed elsewhere given is lack of game time despite
> his obvious ability.
>
>
It is 100% different, do you think he will be on the same terms if they are in the Championship ?
A total conflict of interest, as soon as he declared it he should have been on leave.
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Topic Originator: parathetic
Date: Tue 10 May 14:20
Don`t think they will go up , so hopefully they will be facing us next season.. when we have a new team of superstars , to give all the teams in division 1 a roasting 😉🥁
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Topic Originator: Lambo1885
Date: Tue 10 May 15:33
"A total conflict of interest, as soon as he declared it he should have been on leave."
I was told he`d asked to be released from his contract when the pre contract was signed and was refused.
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Topic Originator: bannerpar
Date: Tue 10 May 16:04
No real reason to release him right away. You would have thought at that time that we would have overcome QP and would need all our better players including Dom for the final against Airdrie. I hope he wasn`t left out of the line up against QP just because of the conflict of interest. He was still under contract to Dunfermline who were paying his wages. Any self respecting professional would continue to do their best. They might have at least started with him and if he was having one of his off games they could have hooked him early.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Tue 10 May 16:38
Dom has undoubted ability but you have to wait several games at a time to see it, Grant had an issue with the defensive side of his game, he doesn`t seem to have found favour with Hughes either, so whilst he could change games he certainly isn`t consistent.
In any case how could you select a player who would could potentially benefit from Queens Park beating us, I can`t believe folk would have played him ?
If what`s posted above is true regarding the termination, it would seem the player had a better understanding surrounding the whole issues than our manager and a few on here.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 10 May 16:45
It`s a crap move by QP in my opinion. He didn`t play so there`s accusations it weakened out team. If he did play and did badly he`d be accused of laying down to his new employer and shouldn`t have been on the pitch.
Personally, I`d have played him.
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Topic Originator: Thursopar
Date: Tue 10 May 16:52
Who gives a toss about this man.
He joined us because Kilmarnock wanted rid of him. It’s alleged that we favoured him over Kyle Turner (big mistake) and has taken a wage from us for little return.
Many here use the word charlatan - he most certainly is. Good riddance to him and if he doesn’t go to Queens Park, let’s hope someone else takes him.
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Tue 10 May 17:45
He should have played. If it was a conflict of interest, he shouldn’t have been on the bench. It’s just another shambles from the management and club.
Why is it that our club always have problems with players? Watson,Turner and Thomas?
Even Wilson was let go after injury but is good enough to play for a rival who stayed in the championship. Some awful decisions.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 10 May 18:27
I suspect all clubs have problems with players but we don`t hear about them as much as our own.
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Tue 10 May 18:39
If Hughes was aware that he had signed a pre-contract with Queens, then having him on the bench makes no sense at all, it`s a clear conflict of interest for Dom if he had come on.
A lot of stuff the club have done recently is idiotic, so if this is the case, sadly I won`t be that surprised.
It`s a shame to see him go, yes undoubtedly a hot and cold player, like most wingers, but more interesting to have a guy that will try things than eleven players who are lukewarm most of the time. In a team that doesn`t create or score much, seeing your most creative midfield player leave is hardly something to get excited about. He did a decent job for us in the Championship, and maybe could have done even more in a better, more attack minded team. I think that`s probably about the highest level he can reach. Good luck to him, a guy that tried to entertain, a guy that always gave it his best even if wasn`t playing well and someone who showed some passion.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Tue 10 May 18:53
Quote:
dafc, Tue 10 May 13:33
He should have played end off. No different to numerous situations year after year , he is either a professional or not.
Agree with this.
Of course you have to respect his right to move on AFTER his obligations to us finished.
This smacks of a situation being engineered to disadvantage us in this year`s play off matches against the club who will be paying his wages next year. By not playing in games he was contracted for with us he`s no doubt increased his chances to earn more next year in the championship.
I can`t understand how (if true) so many people think this situation is ok cause it stinks.
Post Edited (Tue 10 May 18:56)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 10 May 18:59
So you agree he should have played but you think the fact that he was committed to our opponents stinks? I`m confused.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Tue 10 May 19:24
Not sure if that was a response to my post Eck. He was committed to us for this season. End of story.
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Topic Originator: rikaka
Date: Tue 10 May 19:55
If Thomas has signed with queen`s park how on earth can anyone think it would be ok to play him in a winner takes all game against his future employer. Unreal.
He`s probably got a different wage on the table if queen`s go up, players are not supporters of Dunfermline
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Tue 10 May 20:02
Quote:
rikaka, Tue 10 May 19:55
If Thomas has signed with queen`s park how on earth can anyone think it would be ok to play him in a winner takes all game against his future employer. Unreal.
He`s probably got a different wage on the table if queen`s go up, players are not supporters of Dunfermline
Agreed. It`s just not even up for debate for me. Clear conflict of interest, perhaps even mischief making by Queens as well. He shouldn`t have been on the bench. I don`t blame him either. Short career and not well paid.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 10 May 20:04
So he signed a 2 year contract. In January he signs a PCA with, say, Thistle. Does it figure that he never plays for us again then by your logic? That`s unreal.
He`s contracted therefore he plays. End of story
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Tue 10 May 20:08
That`s not what people are saying. If we`d got past Queens Park, there`s no conflict of interest if he takes the field against Airdrie in the final.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 10 May 20:09
Loanees don`t play against their `host` clubs because of a perceived conflict of interest. Isn`t it the same situation with PCAs?
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Tue 10 May 20:09
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 10 May 20:04
So he signed a 2 year contract. In January he signs a PCA with, say, Thistle. Does it figure that he never plays for us again then by your logic? That`s unreal.
He`s contracted therefore he plays. End of story
Are we playing a winner takes all relation decider with Partick Thistle every week from January till May? No.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Tue 10 May 20:49
So does he try more or less against the teams that are vying for league places with his new club in that time?
Maybe he should be fouling good players that will be playing against his new club the following week so they can`t play?
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Tue 10 May 22:42
The rules need to be changed regarding domestic pre-contracts, massive conflict of interests. Needs to be the same as England.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 10 May 22:53
Quote:
DA-go Par Adonis, Tue 10 May 20:08
That`s not what people are saying. If we`d got past Queens Park, there`s no conflict of interest if he takes the field against Airdrie in the final.
But we didn`t get past QP. Our best player put himself in a position where he couldn`t be played arguably contributing to our defeat.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Wed 11 May 00:11
I really don`t see how you can change rules regarding PCA.surely would be illegal under employment law.
Surely a player has the same rights as us to change employers.
You can`t expect someone to refuse this, and take his chances with the hundreds of other players who are due to be released in the coming weeks.
If it was me, I would jump at the chance.
There`s numerous players we have signed in these circumstances.
Tapping up players/managers is part and parcel in football, has always existed and always will.
Before anyone mentions what Fergie and Stein etc would do, and what they did back in the days, I can tell you, they would tap up players, and the players? They would bust a gut to engineer a better deal
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 11 May 09:19
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 10 May 20:09
Loanees don`t play against their `host` clubs because of a perceived conflict of interest. Isn`t it the same situation with PCAs?
That would be by mutual agreement between the clubs, however you are correct, the conflict of interest puts the player in an untenable position.I
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 11 May 11:12
"But we didn`t get past QP. Our best player put himself in a position where he couldn`t be played arguably contributing to our defeat."
I am aware of that. It`s nothing to do with the point though.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Wed 11 May 11:30
How many games did Hughes not play him anyway, so chances are he would not have played anyway with the strange team selections in recent months.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 11 May 11:41
Quote:
DA-go Par Adonis, Wed 11 May 11:12
"But we didn`t get past QP. Our best player put himself in a position where he couldn`t be played arguably contributing to our defeat."
I am aware of that. It`s nothing to do with the point though.
Which is?
If he hadn`t signed a PCA with Queens Park he would have definitely featured in our 2 most important games in years.
What point are you making?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 11 May 11:44
"How many games did Hughes not play him anyway, so chances are he would not have played anyway with the strange team selections in recent months."
He was injured and then started 7 of the last 8 league games - missing out at Thistle when we played 3-5-2. I think it`s fair to say he would have played a part.
I guess it is strange he was on the bench though, but you can name so many subs I suppose he might has well be there. There could have been an extreme set of circumstances where he could have needed to be pitched in.
Post Edited (Wed 11 May 11:46)
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 11 May 11:45
"So he signed a 2 year contract. In January he signs a PCA with, say, Thistle. Does it figure that he never plays for us again then by your logic? That`s unreal.
He`s contracted therefore he plays. End of story"
I was disputing that bizarre take on things.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 11 May 12:06
Quote:
DA-go Par Adonis, Wed 11 May 11:45
"So he signed a 2 year contract. In January he signs a PCA with, say, Thistle. Does it figure that he never plays for us again then by your logic? That`s unreal.
He`s contracted therefore he plays. End of story"
I was disputing that bizarre take on things.
Obviously I was taking it to a rather ridiculous extreme to try and make a point.
The whole situation stinks, that`s what I`m getting at. Our best player talking to then agreeing terms with QP in the run-up to the game where the same team relegated us. That stinks.
Would you not agree that`s just a wee bit "bizarre" also?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Ladswell_Thistle
Date: Wed 11 May 12:08
Putting him on the bench and deliberately not playing him is a punishment for both Dom and the fans (who weren`t aware of any pre contract and baffled as to why he wasn`t being played)
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 11 May 12:55
The absolute seeth in this thread is amazing to see. Dom has every right to do what he`s done. Football teams have no loyalty to players so why should any loyalty be reversed?
Was there as much rage when we signed Cardle and he punched his own captain at Airdrie?
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Wed 11 May 12:58
Quote:
Athletico, Tue 10 May 22:42
The rules need to be changed regarding domestic pre-contracts, massive conflict of interests. Needs to be the same as England.
How does it work in England?
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Wed 11 May 13:00
English teams cant sign players who play for another English team on a PCA, They can however talk to the player
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 11 May 13:13
Quote:
Andrew283, Wed 11 May 12:55
The absolute seeth in this thread is amazing to see. Dom has every right to do what he`s done. Football teams have no loyalty to players so why should any loyalty be reversed?
Was there as much rage when we signed Cardle and he punched his own captain at Airdrie?
Plenty examples of clubs doing the right thing by players. Lewis Martin for example. You`re the only person to mention "seethe"
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Lambo1885
Date: Wed 11 May 13:19
"English teams cant sign players who play for another English team on a PCA, They can however talk to the player"
So exactly the same, only with out the bit of paper?
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Wed 11 May 13:21
Correct
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Topic Originator: partickthistlelad
Date: Wed 11 May 13:35
Hi guys
Is it 100 per cent true that Thomas has signed a pre contract with Queens Park? Just a couple of jags fans I know who are usually 100 per cent reliable with these things are saying he has signed a deal with us?
Thanks
red and yellow army
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 11 May 13:37
Have to say that`s what I`d heard as well. Some laugh if he did......
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Wed 11 May 13:46
Quote:
partickthistlelad, Wed 11 May 13:35
Hi guys
Is it 100 per cent true that Thomas has signed a pre contract with Queens Park? Just a couple of jags fans I know who are usually 100 per cent reliable with these things are saying he has signed a deal with us?
Thanks
This is what I’d heard about a month ago. So I was surprised to see the Queens Park story. Until something’s officially announced, it’s all just rumours. The Record will have picked up their info from forums like this and reported it as ‘news’.
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Wed 11 May 13:47
Either way good luck to him, McCall has a great record with guys like this.
If it was me I would be punting my agent if he wasn`t touting me around my to try to get a decent deal
Pretty much every reasonable player is tapped up, there was no way he was staying with us anyway.
We`ve just been relegated, I`m not going to get in a tizzy if we don`t offer any new contracts and just get new players in, Thomas included, I`ve no idea why Hughes didn`t play him, or PG played him as a midfielder....
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Wed 11 May 14:12
Very much of the same mindset as neils - I’m happy for as much of a ‘fresh start’ as possible. It’s what we needed to get out of this division last time as well.
I seem to remember AJ just releasing everyone out of contract when he came in - then not knowing who Joe Cardle was, when he asked to come in on trial…
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Topic Originator: RossDAFC
Date: Wed 11 May 14:29
23 goal involvements in 44 starts with us, some people have extremely short memories. Used as a CM by Grant, dropped, barely played for a month after he returned from injury and he still ended the season as our third top scorer and top assists by miles (7 for him, McCann was next on 2!)
The same comments were made when Ashcroft and Murray left, both been great for Dundee and Killie since whilst we have one of the worst defences in the league. When a player is streaky like Dom or goes missing in some games, that is where having squad depth and other contributing players is important, neither of which we had this season. He is totally justified to be moving on, good luck to him
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Wed 11 May 14:38
I heard at half time on Saturday he was away to partick. Later I heard QP.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Wed 11 May 14:41
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 10 May 20:09
Loanees don`t play against their `host` clubs because of a perceived conflict of interest. Isn`t it the same situation with PCAs?
They can in UEFA competitions and the ones that I`ve seen are normally busting a gut to show their host team that they can play.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 11 May 15:06
Partick makes more sense but then why was he not played?
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Wed 11 May 15:52
Good question Parrot. Guy who told me he’d signed a PCA with partick intimated DT and yogi were not on great terms.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 11 May 16:37
"Obviously I was taking it to a rather ridiculous extreme to try and make a point.
The whole situation stinks, that`s what I`m getting at. Our best player talking to then agreeing terms with QP in the run-up to the game where the same team relegated us. That stinks."
If we run with the narrative that he has signed a pre-contract with Queen`s Park, we don`t know when he did that. If he wasn`t happy at the Pars, he had to fix something up for next season, so I`ve no issue with that.
He could have done it weeks ago for all we know - and then due to this quirk of fate, it turns out his current team have to play his future team in the play-offs. It`s unfortunate, and the management are damned either way, but really can`t play him in case he has a terrible game and we lose. I`m guessing he would have played and tried his best if asked, but it heaps pressure on everyone involved. They look especially daft if he manages to give away a goal or gets himself sent off.
If we`d scraped past and got to the final, 100% he plays against Airdrie. Gives him the chance to leave on a high and might mean he plays with complete freedom. Didn`t seem to do Hemmings and Stewart any harm back in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 11 May 16:41
Quote:
RossDAFC, Wed 11 May 14:29
23 goal involvements in 44 starts with us, some people have extremely short memories. Used as a CM by Grant, dropped, barely played for a month after he returned from injury and he still ended the season as our third top scorer and top assists by miles (7 for him, McCann was next on 2!)
The same comments were made when Ashcroft and Murray left, both been great for Dundee and Killie since whilst we have one of the worst defences in the league. When a player is streaky like Dom or goes missing in some games, that is where having squad depth and other contributing players is important, neither of which we had this season. He is totally justified to be moving on, good luck to him
Exactly. Some very very bitter people on here
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 11 May 16:48
Da-go I guess it`s mostly the timing of it that I have an issue with so if it was agreed a few weeks ago like you say then I suppose it`s not as big a deal.
If it was around the time of the 2-legged tie with QP then I think that`s unacceptable as it puts everyone in an unfortunate position.
Personally, I have no doubts Dom would have given his all if he had played against QP.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: parathetic
Date: Wed 11 May 16:48
Nah good for him with his new contract....but A/ hole in my opinion
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Wed 11 May 16:49
I`d expect him to be players on the year next season if he`s in league one with Queens Park. Very disappointing from the club if we lose him to league rivals.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Wed 11 May 18:33
DA-GO, he contributed absolutely zero and we did lose.
That`s why it stinks. He`s our most influential player that we needed at a critical time.
Post Edited (Wed 11 May 18:34)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 11 May 22:31
Quote:
Never10yairds, Wed 11 May 15:52
Good question Parrot. Guy who told me he’d signed a PCA with partick intimated DT and yogi were not on great terms.
Wasn`t on great terms with Crawford, wasn`t on great terms with Grant, wasn`t on great terms with Hughes...there`s a link here somewhere but I just can`t quite see it.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Wed 11 May 22:49
I’d agree there Jake, DT clearly has an attitude problem and quite possibly an issue with authority.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Wed 11 May 22:56
Quote:
Never10yairds, Wed 11 May 22:49
I’d agree there Jake, DT clearly has an attitude problem and quite possibly an issue with authority.
Any evidence to back this up? Apart from rumours of `disagreements`?
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Thu 12 May 13:28
If he had played, and the game had gone to pens, what then? He may have had to take one.
Not a healthy situation.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 12 May 13:56
As mentioned earlier, if DT signed up for Partick - why was he not on the park from the kick off v QP ?
We need to be certain of the basic facts before making judgements.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Thu 12 May 16:17
Dom was good every 4-5 matches and a player that failed to deliver time anc time again. Couldn’t care less who he signs for. Pars are going to rebuild and Thomas won’t be part of it.
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Thu 12 May 16:37
Quote:
Bannockburn Par, Thu 12 May 16:17
Dom was good every 4-5 matches and a player that failed to deliver time anc time again.
Not sure stats would back that up. Even this season, he only started 16 games. He got a goal or an assist in 7 of those starts and there was at least one other game (Raith at home in March) that he played very well and was very influential. That’s 50% of starts that he was influential in, even before you account for the 2 games he started in that central midfield role under Grant and the fact he was playing through injury at the start of the season.
Once he returned from injury, we saw him tally up a goal and 3 assists in his first 2 starts. He was poor in game 3, then influential against Raith. Admittedly, he was poor in the next 2 games, but was the only player that really drove the team forward and tried to hurry things up all season and we really struggled when he wasn’t playing, or wasn’t on form.
He started 10 games at EEP this season, we scored 17 goals in those 10 games. We scored 5 in the 6 he didn’t. He was clearly one of the few players that actually had a good season. We definitely missed his positivity and attacking intent in the playoffs.
Having said that, I do agree that all that matters now is we’re building a new team and he isn’t part of it. I’d rather have a team of good players that perform well fairly consistently, than a team of poor players, with one very good player, that plays well around 50% of the time.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Thu 12 May 17:07
Quote:
par-91, Thu 12 May 16:37
Quote:
Bannockburn Par, Thu 12 May 16:17
Dom was good every 4-5 matches and a player that failed to deliver time anc time again.
Not sure stats would back that up. Even this season, he only started 16 games. He got a goal or an assist in 7 of those starts and there was at least one other game (Raith at home in March) that he played very well and was very influential. That’s 50% of starts that he was influential in, even before you account for the 2 games he started in that central midfield role under Grant and the fact he was playing through injury at the start of the season.
Once he returned from injury, we saw him tally up a goal and 3 assists in his first 2 starts. He was poor in game 3, then influential against Raith. Admittedly, he was poor in the next 2 games, but was the only player that really drove the team forward and tried to hurry things up all season and we really struggled when he wasn’t playing, or wasn’t on form.
He started 10 games at EEP this season, we scored 17 goals in those 10 games. We scored 5 in the 6 he didn’t. He was clearly one of the few players that actually had a good season. We definitely missed his positivity and attacking intent in the playoffs.
Having said that, I do agree that all that matters now is we’re building a new team and he isn’t part of it. I’d rather have a team of good players that perform well fairly consistently, than a team of poor players, with one very good player, that plays well around 50% of the time.
Agree its about consistency week in week out
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 12 May 17:24
I was watching him quite closely in a couple of matches and one thing that did stand out was quite often he would get the ball in good wide positions and his natural reaction would be to attack. When he just went ahead a did this then quite often it ended up being a good attacking move which lead to something positive. All to often though, when he had a bit time to think about what he was doing, he would play it back, looking for the safe option to retain possession and all to often the momentum was lost. I don`t think this was the way Dom wanted to play, possibly the case he had been told they wanted him to retain possession rather than take a chance
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Thu 12 May 17:27
This narrative of Thomas only being good every 3 or 4 games is (1) not true and (2) still a higher average than our team regardless!
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Thu 12 May 17:29
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 12 May 17:24
I was watching him quite closely in a couple of matches and one thing that did stand out was quite often he would get the ball in good wide positions and his natural reaction would be to attack. When he just went ahead a did this then quite often it ended up being a good attacking move which lead to something positive. All to often though, when he had a bit time to think about what he was doing, he would play it back, looking for the safe option to retain possession and all to often the momentum was lost. I don`t think this was the way Dom wanted to play, possibly the case he had been told they wanted him to retain possession rather than take a chance
Definitely think this was enforced by the manager, many times I was so frustrated that we would win the turnover and instead of gambling a few players forward at speed and hitting them on the counter when they were disorganised we would turn back and the opposition would reset into position.
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Topic Originator: vasco
Date: Thu 12 May 17:35
Only times the Pars looked half decent all season was when the players were playing instinctively rather than how they were coached.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 12 May 17:45
He would be one of my first picks every week. No substitute for quality
Some nonsense being spouted because he has chosen to move away
It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Thu 12 May 17:46)
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Thu 12 May 17:47
Its more about how effective a player is in my view raherr than what he does over tge 90 minutes in terms of running around. If he is perceived as a goal threat it will force the opposition to play a certain way. The game should always be about worrying what we do rather tgan the opposition to impose on the game. That is one of the less tangible benefits of Dom.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 12 May 18:48
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Rusty Shackleford, Thu 12 May 17:27
This narrative of Thomas only being good every 3 or 4 games is (1) not true and (2) still a higher average than our team regardless!
Absolutely spot on. I can`t believe what I`m reading on this forum.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 14 May 19:52
He just tweeted "Hughes lives on forever", before the tweet was then deleted
Post Edited (Sat 14 May 19:53)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 14 May 20:10
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king lad, Sat 14 May 19:52
He just tweeted "Hughes lives on forever", before the tweet was then deleted
He is very mature
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Sat 14 May 20:50
Seen that but thought it was a parody account?
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Topic Originator: nazpar
Date: Sat 14 May 21:00
Hughes lives on is an Irish folk song .it has nothing to do with yogi
nazpar
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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz
Date: Sat 14 May 22:04
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nazpar, Sat 14 May 21:00
Hughes lives on is an Irish folk song .it has nothing to do with yogi
and you know I
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Topic Originator: cfad
Date: Sat 14 May 22:12
Was good in short bursts, but he’s clearly a troublemaker so he can GTF as far as I’m concerned
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 14 May 22:14
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nazpar, Sat 14 May 21:00
Hughes lives on is an Irish folk song .it has nothing to do with yogi
Yes, and Dom is a big fan of Irish folk music. Makes complete sense...
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Topic Originator: nazpar
Date: Sat 14 May 22:44
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jake89, Sat 14 May 22:14
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nazpar, Sat 14 May 21:00
Hughes lives on is an Irish folk song .it has nothing to do with yogi
Yes, and Dom is a big fan of Irish folk music. Makes complete sense...
Hughes Lives on Forever
Song by Glasnevin or even the Irish brigade
nazpar
Post Edited (Sat 14 May 22:46)
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Topic Originator: nazpar
Date: Sat 14 May 22:50
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Parsfangaz, Sat 14 May 22:04
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nazpar, Sat 14 May 21:00
Hughes lives on is an Irish folk song .it has nothing to do with yogi
and you know I
Yes .Hughes Lives on Forever
Song by Glasnevin or the irish brigade .
nazpar
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Topic Originator: AlfonzoBonzo
Date: Sat 14 May 22:52
Someone queried his stinking attitude. I can state with absolute fact that the last couple of times he was subbed, the immature tantrums he threw were unbelievable. Throwing off top, throwing bottles off walls and kicking chairs, then sitting swearing and yelling like a petulant bairn. I’m sure that is all related.
Show us yer.... 
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