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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Wed 11 May 19:09
Club statement on COWS
Yogi stays
CEO/chairman join job
RM, kip and leishman step down from Board
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Wed 11 May 19:15
Does it say Yogi stays? Hopefully trimming the board down will help next season. At least they`ve taken responsibility!
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Topic Originator: goldensixties
Date: Wed 11 May 19:17
There is no direct reference to the manager. It states that the football department and squad are under review. The board will keep us informed. We will have to wait and see.
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Wed 11 May 19:18
Would have thought the manager update would have been in there followed by the new board will look at things
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Wed 11 May 19:19
Certainly appears that Yogi is staying. It’s a huge mistake to keep a manager that doesn’t think we can come right back up as his interview says “it’ll be really difficult to come back up from the 1st”
I can see him getting punted around Christmas which like last year will be too late.
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Topic Originator: par_33
Date: Wed 11 May 19:20
So basically an official statement on things the fans knew already.
Yawn. Next.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Wed 11 May 19:22
Nothing statement.
The line that Meggle will be consulting with the coaching staff on the footballing side certainly suggests Yogi is staying.
Very disappointed to say the least.
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Topic Originator: hudza
Date: Wed 11 May 19:24
Pathetic statement. Basically changing Leishman job title and Meggle will be more involved. This club is useless
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Topic Originator: Toddyrov
Date: Wed 11 May 19:25
Very underwhelming
Effe
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 11 May 19:25
Probably worse than a vote of confidence is to not even mention him by name.
An awful lot of apologies in there which is a first
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Wed 11 May 19:27
Not sure how anyone is gathering that Hughes is staying purely from that. We`ll probably hear about both the management team and players tomorrow.
I thought Meggle was already on top of football operations, but this statement seems to indicate he`ll be taking further responsibilities in that space?
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Topic Originator: JimDAFC
Date: Wed 11 May 19:27
I thought Yogi was the manager not part of the coaching staff and it seems like Meggle is gonna have a big input on the playing side of things. Will Yogi or any manager put up with that? Or maybe I have understood it wrong.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Wed 11 May 19:38
“Footballing departments and squad under review” is very open but to me suggests Hughes job isn’t safe and neither are the coaches. Big shake up still to come perhaps? Hopefully they are quick about it.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Wed 11 May 19:38
JimDAFC wrote:
> I thought Yogi was the manager not part of the coaching staff
> and it seems like Meggle is gonna have a big input on the
> playing side of things. Will Yogi or any manager put up with
> that? Or maybe I have understood it wrong.
>
>
Seeing Meggle march to the dressing room at Half-time didn`t feel right, to hear he`s going to be further involved is a nonsense, if he wants to be further involved give him the job, but it`s the manager who carries the can while his helpful assistant just continues on.
Post Edited (Wed 11 May 19:42)
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Wed 11 May 19:38
Let`s wait till the news on coaching and playing staff comes about.
No really interested in who`s leaving the board and who`s job title is changing, but at least they`ve started the ball rolling.
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Topic Originator: Kessel
Date: Wed 11 May 19:42
Hopefully David Cook, in his first act as Chairman, announces that all the fuds in the dugout have been sacked.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 11 May 19:45
Waffle but dangling the one big important carrot in front of the fans.
Wake me up in August.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: elvis_lives
Date: Wed 11 May 19:48
Could have released that first thing on Sunday or Monday morning.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Wed 11 May 19:56
I don`t want to be critical of the statement but this is nothing more than a holding statement to keep the wolves away from the door
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Wed 11 May 19:57
Leishman still kicking about I see. The old pals act.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: Toddyrov
Date: Wed 11 May 20:02
Surely they couldn’t say they accept full responsibility and keek the man in charge who relegated us.
Effe
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Topic Originator: bigdonnie
Date: Wed 11 May 20:05
the way things are going we could in 2 seasons be the first team ever that was in premier league kicked out off top leagues need to get decent manager and get yogi to go play with picnic basket cases with some other poor team
donald mcneil
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Wed 11 May 20:06
I worry we are heading into a situation where Meggle basically signs players and runs things and we have a first team coach instead of a manager. I hope that doesn’t transpire. I expect we will hear more in the coming days regarding Hughes and the coaches future.
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Wed 11 May 20:12
Quote:
Never10yairds, Wed 11 May 20:06
I worry we are heading into a situation where Meggle basically signs players and runs things and we have a first team coach instead of a manager. I hope that doesn’t transpire. I expect we will hear more in the coming days regarding Hughes and the coaches future.
If Meggle is good at that then I hope it does.
There`s a reason top clubs don`t just have the transfers down to the manager, and as we found out with Grant, if you give someone who`s really bad at it full power, it really screws you over.
Our transfer system needs an overhaul more than anything else.
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Topic Originator: Kessel
Date: Wed 11 May 20:15
One step forward, with that statement, is that the Board didn`t blame the fans for the club getting relegated. Which was entirely plausible to be in it. Kudos to the BOD.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Wed 11 May 20:19
Grant I’d suggest we just need to appoint a good manager for a change then let him get on with it. Something we have avoided doing for the last decade.
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Topic Originator: micwip
Date: Wed 11 May 20:39
I read the Meggle involvement more as proposed continuity with the changes with the review of the coaching and playing staff. Time will tell
Its a hard life...
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Wed 11 May 20:49
Think that statement basically confirms Hughes is away and perhaps the rest of the management team. Don’t know how my interpretation is so different to everyone else’s…
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Wed 11 May 20:59
Quote:
par-91, Wed 11 May 20:49
Think that statement basically confirms Hughes is away and perhaps the rest of the management team. Don’t know how my interpretation is so different to everyone else’s…
If that`s the case, why not just announce it? We`re 4 days on, surely a decision has been made?
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Topic Originator: CoventryparsFan
Date: Wed 11 May 21:04
I reckon Meggle will be in total charge ie Manager & Director of Football with 2 or 3 coaches coming in and the existing crew gone. Possibly a European one and a couple who know the Scottish game. The Germans have pumped a lot of money in so far with a long term plan. They can`t afford to mess it up with another poor manager appointment and need to go back up to the championship in the next couple of seasons while the academy start to bare fruit.
if you have no good words to say...... you know the rest
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 11 May 21:06
"The board would also like to announce that John Hughes has been sacked but we`re just working our way through the compensation package..."
Wouldn`t be the most professional of things to come out with.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Wed 11 May 21:18
Quote:
DBA, Wed 11 May 20:59
Quote:
par-91, Wed 11 May 20:49
Think that statement basically confirms Hughes is away and perhaps the rest of the management team. Don’t know how my interpretation is so different to everyone else’s…
If that`s the case, why not just announce it? We`re 4 days on, surely a decision has been made?
Maybe they had higher level issues/restructuring at boardroom that had to be formalised/dealt with first? Not sure what gives me that impression.
It’s also not like they said this was just the start, is it? Or they acknowledged that the manner in which we went down wasn’t acceptable and acknowledged this was on them (ie, they messed up their managerial appointments).
The statement read as if they’re planning to restructure the footballing side of things and will be making an announcement in due course. That’s likely just formalising departures and firming up the plan going forward. All that information is there in the statement, no?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 11 May 21:22
If the board are unhappy with how we got to relegation and the standards were not met then surely that means the manager has to go.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: fergie
Date: Wed 11 May 21:28
We can scream and kick until the cows come home but we are where we are so the only way can be up
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Wed 11 May 21:38
Management team under review, which I think means they’ll be getting punted. Whittaker was already linked to be scott browns assistant so imagine he’ll be going with him, and they won’t be keeping yogi
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 11 May 21:39
The way I read the statement, Hughes and the coaches will be gone. The first paragraph says that in board-speak...
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Wed 11 May 21:41
Quote:
Never10yairds, Wed 11 May 20:19
Grant I’d suggest we just need to appoint a good manager for a change then let him get on with it. Something we have avoided doing for the last decade.
Precisely, get a good manager and let him manage the team. Have someone take care of the transfers who`s good at that.
Like I said, theres a reason literally every top team has it that way.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 11 May 21:55
Quote:
par-91, Wed 11 May 20:49
Think that statement basically confirms Hughes is away and perhaps the rest of the management team. Don’t know how my interpretation is so different to everyone else’s…
I do. You are obviously a lot better ay interpretation than most others.
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Wed 11 May 22:17
Where will some get their info from now kip and Ross are away!
Hopfully a good few announcements over the next week or so!
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Wed 11 May 22:22
A very open statenent where the board will reflect on the season and restructure accordingly. Restructuring has already started so there has been some planning. I wouldn`t read any more into it other than all options are being considered.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Wed 11 May 22:23
If yogi was staying the statement would’ve said that, the fact they never suggest they are getting pay outs sorted for the management team, as all 3 need punted
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 11 May 22:25
I`d like to think this is the beginning of a proper review of the running of the club. However, it sounds like a fairly light touch reorganisation.
I wouldn`t read much into the lack of mention of Hughes, or the mention of Meggle. I am interested in Meggle`s role though. What exactly will he be involved in, and is it going to annoy people currently delivering those roles?
Are there details on what each director is responsible for? I know they all have various successful business but assume they have specific responsibilities around things like finance, commercial activities, marketing etc?
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Wed 11 May 22:42
Grant, my concern is that we fall in to the trap some clubs do with these set ups is where managers aren’t allowed to bring in the players they want, they then have players they don’t foisted on them. Also, you can be told you need to play a certain way, even if you don’t think that’s the right way to win the games you are playing or maximise the points total from your squad. Having spoke to guys who have been in that situation, it’s one I’m keen to avoid here.
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Topic Originator: BigCheese
Date: Wed 11 May 23:27
Yogi will be our manager next season I have no doubt about it
Big Cheese
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 11 May 23:49
Reads like Yogi and a few others are away.
New broom
It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Thu 12 May 02:15
Quote:
RMGpar, Wed 11 May 22:17
Where will some get their info from now kip and Ross are away!
Hopfully a good few announcements over the next week or so!
Funny I thought the very same thing could kip be the reason why dick Campbell was never even considered for the managers job?
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Thu 12 May 05:12
That’s just an interim statement and the main news about the players and coaches is still to come so we can’t read too much in to that yet. It’s good to see they recognise the disconnect between fans and club and are addressing that. I imagine Jim will play a big part in that.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Thu 12 May 06:43
“Leaner and more flexible board structure” is the interesting item for me.
Has this restricted decisions in the past? Seems like a point of contention has been dealt with and whether this change has anything to do with the departing members?
In amongst everything that is unclear, this for me was an interesting statement on the dynamics of the club.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 12 May 07:50
I made the mistake of reading the early posts on this thread before the actual statement on COWS. I can`t quite see why some posters are convinced that the manager and his coaching team will be retained for next season. Basically, the statement says that no decision has been taken yet, so they may stay or they may go.
I understand that some fans wanted a decision made by 5 pm on Saturday, but perhaps it`s better for the BoD to sit down calmly and discuss the options open to them, the potential consequences of any decision arrived at, as well as the financial implications.
The BoD will probably be asking themselves:-
(a) Can we afford to sack them?
(b) Can we afford not to sack them?
Of course, the manager and his coaching team are not an indivisible unit, so it`s entirely possible that some individuals are retained and others are dismissed.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: dpard
Date: Thu 12 May 08:50
I can`t say I`m getting the can`t afford to sack him view. Clubs sack managers every year.
Us, Falkirk, Cowdenbeath, Ayr, Morton, Alloa, Stirling Albion amongst others all sacked managers this season, yet, we seem to be the ones who struggle to make a quick decision and `may not be able to afford it`
Can`t buy into that at all.
Get him gone and let`s start afresh with a new guy who can unite the fans and club in one direction.
The flame still burns
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Topic Originator: 1985Par
Date: Thu 12 May 08:53
Is it not the case that, if we do sack him, we are effectively paying 3 managers next season? I`m not au fait with the way compensation works, so happy to be corrected on this.
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Thu 12 May 09:10
Quote:
1985Par, Thu 12 May 08:53
Is it not the case that, if we do sack him, we are effectively paying 3 managers next season? I`m not au fait with the way compensation works, so happy to be corrected on this.
I believe that it’s more likely that there will be some sort of compensation package worded into manager contracts, like if you got sacked in a regular job.
Could be 1 month, could be 3 months, could be 6 months. But I don’t think we have to pay up the full remaining value. I could be wrong, but I’ve heard this from a few people in the past, who have been involved at various clubs, so believed it to be true.
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Thu 12 May 09:18
If he was staying, they would have said that. He is already contracted to the club. They have said there is a review under way. That reads to me as if they are planning to relieve him of his duties but getting compensation and all legality that goes around it sorted first.
He simply cannot be in charge. The board will know what everyone else knows. There is massive changes under way, and the old reign won`t be in charge. Cook will be ruthless I think this summer.
Top of the league looking down on the F*lkirk!
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Topic Originator: Zimbo
Date: Thu 12 May 09:32
The combining of the CEO and Chairman roles is interesting. The CEO is usually an employee of the Board, so this means that the new CEO is effectively his own boss.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 12 May 09:43
Wasn`t Ross also CEO and Chairman? I wold imagine there will be some big decisions that will have to be ratified by the board.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Thu 12 May 09:49
David Cook is an employee. Regardless of the title he`s given, he`s ultimately got to answer to the people who own the club.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: Pingfaesaline
Date: Thu 12 May 11:06
Again OLD PAL ACT.
Leishman stays to keep Braisby company.
It is cringe worthy at Hospitality seeing Leishman talk. Haven`t been in a while, hence the reason, but same old guff every week I`m hearing. He was a great ambassador in his day but sorry it`s time to have someone who can talk sence in front of a money paying crowd and not waffle on.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Thu 12 May 11:33
Man you are way off it, Jim is a fantastic ambassador for our club. He doesn’t deserve abuse of any kind and is most definitely not at fault for what has gone wrong on the field.
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Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74
Date: Thu 12 May 11:40
Quote:
Bannockburn Par, Thu 12 May 11:33
Man you are way off it, Jim is a fantastic ambassador for our club. He doesn’t deserve abuse of any kind and is most definitely not at fault for what has gone wrong on the field.
He is a director like the rest of the board but I think the football side was run by Ross McArthur only. The board is plural will be at board meetings to discuss and agree however I believe it was Ross dear with football whilst others had other roles
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Thu 12 May 12:05
streamlining the board, does that suggest they believed "too many cooks" last season when it came to deciding to get rid of Grant and unable to get a board majority meant the failed experiment went on longer than some board members would have liked.
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Topic Originator: Zimbo
Date: Thu 12 May 12:16
Quote:
DA-go Par Adonis, Thu 12 May 09:49
David Cook is an employee. Regardless of the title he`s given, he`s ultimately got to answer to the people who own the club.
Good corporate governance dictates that the CEO and Chair of the Board shouldn’t be the same person. According to Deloitte:
“The independence of the chairman is paramount to the successful implementation of good corporate governance practices at board level. To ensure the chairman acts in an independent manner, internationally recognised governance codes state that the chairman should not have previously been the CEO of the company. In most cases, this is the most prudent structure and the preference of the market.
In German corporate law, the role of the (independent) non-executive director is emphasised by the legislative provision that precludes employees (executives) from serving on the board of directors of the company.”
The last paragraph doesn’t apply as DAFC will be registered as a company in Scotland, but it’s interesting in the context that the club owners are now German.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 12 May 12:28
Do these recommendations apply to private companies?
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Topic Originator: Zimbo
Date: Thu 12 May 12:33
They do but they are only recommendations. From memory, I think the latest corporate governance code came about after Robert Maxwell’s ‘borrowing’ from corporate pension funds came to light. He was both CEO and chairman of the group.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Thu 12 May 12:34
"Good corporate governance dictates that the CEO and Chair of the Board shouldn’t be the same person. According to Deloitte:"
Nick Teller is part of the consortium which owns the club and sits on the board. He`s the de facto chairman. He probably just doesn`t fancy the title. The other option is calling Braisby the chairman, which likely doesn`t play well with the entire fan base.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Thu 12 May 12:47
I would have asked Bob to be chairman but understand he has other commitments..
Lets hope the New CEO comes in and makes the big decisions! After all he is a pars man too
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 12 May 13:05
Quote:
dpard, Thu 12 May 08:50
I can`t say I`m getting the can`t afford to sack him view. Clubs sack managers every year.
Us, Falkirk, Cowdenbeath, Ayr, Morton, Alloa, Stirling Albion amongst others all sacked managers this season, yet, we seem to be the ones who struggle to make a quick decision and `may not be able to afford it`
Can`t buy into that at all.
Get him gone and let`s start afresh with a new guy who can unite the fans and club in one direction.
If that was aimed at me, I think you may have misinterpreted my post, dparď.
I outlined two options I.e. whether the club can/can`t afford to sack the manager and/or his coaching staff. The BoD have to weigh up which is more risky. Some fans are already saying the decision for them to buy a ST rests on the outcome. Of course, some of them probably wouldn`t be able to carry out their threat because the Pars are very deeply ingrained in their life.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Thu 12 May 13:18
What’s the issues people have with Braisby? Hear folk saying negative comments about him here and on social media but never with any reasons attached.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Thu 12 May 13:29
Was braisby not on the board when masterton was in charge?
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Thu 12 May 13:36
Pompey, I guess it`s for us to make our own minds about.
Situations change and decisions need to be made.
One man`s view might be that things could be done better another way and others might look at it as if there`s been a big problem that needs solving.
Maybe depends whether you are looking for the glass half full or empty perspective.
Either way the new man`s had a bit of a baptism of fire and he has his work cut out.
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Thu 12 May 14:37
Anyone else refreshing Twitter constantly to see if they will come up with an announcement?
Top of the league looking down on the F*lkirk!
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Thu 12 May 14:48
aye
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Thu 12 May 15:04
Checking the clubs Twitter about once or twice an hour all week.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 12 May 15:45
Dom Thomas not been on twitter announcing his new club?
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Topic Originator: dpard
Date: Thu 12 May 16:03
Quote:
GG Riva, Thu 12 May 13:05
Quote:
dpard, Thu 12 May 08:50
I can`t say I`m getting the can`t afford to sack him view. Clubs sack managers every year.
Us, Falkirk, Cowdenbeath, Ayr, Morton, Alloa, Stirling Albion amongst others all sacked managers this season, yet, we seem to be the ones who struggle to make a quick decision and `may not be able to afford it`
Can`t buy into that at all.
Get him gone and let`s start afresh with a new guy who can unite the fans and club in one direction.
If that was aimed at me, I think you may have misinterpreted my post, dparď.
I outlined two options I.e. whether the club can/can`t afford to sack the manager and/or his coaching staff. The BoD have to weigh up which is more risky. Some fans are already saying the decision for them to buy a ST rests on the outcome. Of course, some of them probably wouldn`t be able to carry out their threat because the Pars are very deeply ingrained in their life.
No, wasn`t specifically aimed at you GG.
Was just a general observation.
Not just here, but elsewhere also, I have seen it mentioned that we can`t afford to.
I personally can`t buy into that point of view.
Of course I may be wrong 🤷♂️
The flame still burns
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 12 May 16:37
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Thu 12 May 15:45
Dom Thomas not been on twitter announcing his new club?
Too busy celebrating Celtic winning the league last night 😂
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 12 May 17:03
Quote:
dpard, Thu 12 May 16:03
Quote:
GG Riva, Thu 12 May 13:05
Quote:
dpard, Thu 12 May 08:50
I can`t say I`m getting the can`t afford to sack him view. Clubs sack managers every year.
Us, Falkirk, Cowdenbeath, Ayr, Morton, Alloa, Stirling Albion amongst others all sacked managers this season, yet, we seem to be the ones who struggle to make a quick decision and `may not be able to afford it`
Can`t buy into that at all.
Get him gone and let`s start afresh with a new guy who can unite the fans and club in one direction.
If that was aimed at me, I think you may have misinterpreted my post, dparď.
I outlined two options I.e. whether the club can/can`t afford to sack the manager and/or his coaching staff. The BoD have to weigh up which is more risky. Some fans are already saying the decision for them to buy a ST rests on the outcome. Of course, some of them probably wouldn`t be able to carry out their threat because the Pars are very deeply ingrained in their life.
No, wasn`t specifically aimed at you GG.
Was just a general observation.
Not just here, but elsewhere also, I have seen it mentioned that we can`t afford to.
I personally can`t buy into that point of view.
Of course I may be wrong 🤷♂️
Cheers, dparď, yea I`ve seen that excuse trotted out a few times, AJ, PG and now JH. Sometimes, in any walk of life, when you can`t afford to do something, it can end up costing you even more to do nothing......
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Fri 13 May 08:15
Today’s the day of the big announcement.
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Fri 13 May 08:31
Sure is, I’m looking forward to coming back on here later.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 13 May 08:37
Is Whittaker definitely off to Fleetwood with Scott Brown?
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Fri 13 May 08:55
Yes
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Fri 13 May 10:53
Club as usual acting like a rudderless ship. Hughes future needs addressed as a matter of urgency. The club needs a new management team in place yesterday. As per usual it will be last minute .com from the amateur board at DAFC.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 13 May 11:18
So you think the club should have dismissed the management team and replaced them by yesterday? It`s fantasy football again.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Fri 13 May 11:43
I would have sacked Hughes as soon as the final whistle was blown. Meggle could have taken over and this week announced who was going and who would be offered a new contract.
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Fri 13 May 11:55
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 13 May 11:18
So you think the club should have dismissed the management team and replaced them by yesterday? It`s fantasy football again.
Think we should have had this sorted by today. Review is not difficult?? Hughes and all coaches goodbye.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 13 May 12:00
Review`s not difficult if you`ve already made your mind up before it`s started! And what about the `rigorous process` involved in recruiting a new management team? Does that just get abandoned too?
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Fri 13 May 12:09
Never mentioned recruitment process that surely will be rigorous.
Fans want clarity on Hughes position. He should have been out the door on Monday morning.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 13 May 12:14
`...The club needs a new management team in place yesterday. As per usual it will be last minute .com from the amateur board at DAFC.`
That`s what you said; sorry if I misunderstood it.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Fri 13 May 12:14
I’d have sacked Hughes at time up on Saturday and announced it within 15 mins the same way the rovers did when he relegated them. I’m astounded we didn’t. This is something the board could have pre agreed.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Fri 13 May 12:40
Who will stump up for the payoffs, Hughes 1 year wages 100k ?
Sheilds 1 year 50k
Dorrans 1year 100k ?
Mehmet 1year 30k ?
New manager and staff wages ??
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Fri 13 May 12:52
That’s the clubs fault for handing out ridiculous deals to players and staff that we need to pay so much out to get rid
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Fri 13 May 12:54
Quote:
saltonsgonagetu, Fri 13 May 12:40
Who will stump up for the payoffs, Hughes 1 year wages 100k ?
Sheilds 1 year 50k
Dorrans 1year 100k ?
Mehmet 1year 30k ?
New manager and staff wages ??
You`re going to lose money either way. Don`t pay them off. Drastic season ticket sales drop.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Fri 13 May 13:10
YOGI on 100k? ... Jings
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 13 May 13:20
...and Mehmet on £30k. No wonder he didn`t look motivated.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 13 May 13:34
And we`re back to making up termination costs with no idea what clauses are in people`s contracts or the wages they were on in the first place.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 13 May 13:51
parsfangaz seems to think they`re the real deals
Who are we to doubt such reliable sources?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Fri 13 May 14:31
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 13 May 12:14
`...The club needs a new management team in place yesterday. As per usual it will be last minute .com from the amateur board at DAFC.`
That`s what you said; sorry if I misunderstood it.
My point is to get on with the process and not delay getting rid of Hughes. Let’s not wait until a week before pre season to appoint a new management team. Of course we want an appropriate selection process, sooner this starts the better.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 13 May 15:17
Quote:
londonparsfan, Fri 13 May 13:34
And we`re back to making up termination costs with no idea what clauses are in people`s contracts or the wages they were on in the first place.
Oh come on, lpf. It`s the BoD who are amateurish, not the fans. Many posters on here would have have had Yogi out and a new manager in by now.
I can`t understand what`s taking them so long..... 🤔
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 13 May 17:43
Board criticised for being amateurish but want knee jerk reactions to situations ?
Which is it ?
It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Sue Par Chew
Date: Fri 13 May 18:01
Time being wasted by the bod.
That`s Scott Brown away to Fleetwood
McGlynn at Falkirk
Kevin Thompson in talks with the wee team.
We are running out of decent options and need to make a decision soon.
My fear is we run out if viable candidates and end up with Hughes.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Fri 13 May 18:09
If the club didn’t give themselves a relegation break option clause that would be truly amateurish.
All the candidates in November would have been giving the board some variant of “I will keep the club in the championship”, so you tell them then, it’s going in the contract if your the successful candidate.
I don’t think being decisive and activating that clause on Saturday night would have been amateurish either. Indeed I believe it would have allowed us to begin a process to find our new manager at a time where the hot prospects are now getting signed at other clubs. If we take too long we will miss out on good prospective candidates.
The knock on effect is also that we need the manager in post before we start signing players, who are also moving around and signing deals now. Again, we will miss out on the better available players for our level/budget.
If it’s going to be Hughes (I hope it isn’t), then announce it now and give him the best budget we can to sign the players he wants.
If it isn’t going to be Hughes, he should already be gone and we should be inviting applications and making approach’s.
Dithering over the decision is basically the worst of both worlds.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 13 May 18:13
This forum is something else. Quick! Sack the manager so we can sign up some random guy who probably doesn`t even want the job!😂
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 13 May 18:26
The fact that nothing`s been announced doesn`t mean nothing`s happening. Also, how attractive is managing a Scottish League 1 side likely to be? Brown has gone to English League 1 and Thomson is being linked with a Scottish Championship club.
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Topic Originator: kba
Date: Fri 13 May 18:31
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 13 May 18:26
The fact that nothing`s been announced doesn`t mean nothing`s happening. Also, how attractive is managing a Scottish League 1 side likely to be? Brown has gone to English League 1 and Thomson is being linked with a Scottish Championship club.
It could mean our CEO and directors have something up their sleeve that`s taking a bit more time so sort out. Hopefully 😏
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Fri 13 May 18:52
Wee eck, you reckon they are sounding managers out behind the scenes? I hope so.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 13 May 19:10
I don`t know but I`m pretty sure they`re not twiddling their thumbs.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Fri 13 May 19:16
I don’t know what the value of keeping it a secret that Yogi is going would be if they have decided he is wee eck. It leads me to the deduction that they have either decided they are keeping him or they haven’t made their minds up.
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Fri 13 May 19:35
It`s possible there needs to be some negotiation between the parties to agree the termination settlement.
If the club comes out at 4.45 declaring him sacked, you`d expect him to be due the maximum possible amount on his contact.
Alternatively they could sit down and reach an agreement - maybe a lesser amount as lump sum for example.
As for a relegation clause, we just didn`t know. What if all the best candidates for the job refuse to accept the clause? Do you just take whoever will agree to it? Some might just be expecting a bit more security than just 6 months. From their point of view, maybe they could wait for another job with more security so we need to ditch the clause to secure them? Lots of factors in contact negotiation.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 13 May 19:39
Saw some guy with brown shoes trying to climb over the hoarding by Macklin Motors.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Fri 13 May 19:41
Fcda, if yogi, who didn’t have a job (so job security wouldn’t be a factor) refused a relegation release clause, I’d have viewed that as a huge red flag regarding his belief he could get the job done.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 13 May 19:41
If they`re going to appoint a German maybe they`re waiting until after the FA Cup Final before making the announcement!😊😂🤣
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Topic Originator: Ben,D.A
Date: Fri 13 May 19:43
Maybe the `board` have more to think of than just the management since we are in the first division now. Things like reorganizing the structure of the club.
Will we be full time?
What do we need, who do we have to do it.
Will we install a plastic pitch like the rest of the league, (added revenue)
Looking to find sponsors now there`s no Friday night TV.
We all want answers but what can we afford. I`m sure those whose jobs are at risk will be the first to know before any statements are made.
It`s not even been a week, give them a chance to assess.
only 11 make the team,the rest can just but dream.
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Fri 13 May 20:45
Quote:
jake89, Fri 13 May 19:39
Saw some guy with brown shoes trying to climb over the hoarding by Macklin Motors.
Was he wearing a cheap jacket and scarf bought from Matalan?
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Fri 13 May 20:51
Certainly don`t want another DFB!
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Fri 13 May 21:47
Quote:
Never10yairds, Fri 13 May 19:41
Fcda, if yogi, who didn’t have a job (so job security wouldn’t be a factor) refused a relegation release clause, I’d have viewed that as a huge red flag regarding his belief he could get the job done.
It could also be a red flag to the candidate - eg, these guys are saying all the right things but they clearly don`t trust me. In terms of security, just because he`s out of a job at the time, that doesn`t mean he would necessarily take the first opportunity. He might want to wait for job with a longer contract.
Just making the point that it`s not all... black and white.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Fri 13 May 21:55
Fcda, I wish the board hadn’t trusted him…. in the interview stage the onus is on the candidate to earn the boards trust. I’d have likely insisted on that clause whoever the candidate. Your telling me you can keep the club up? Fine, consider that your trial. Do that and the jobs yours next year with a decent budget to build a fresh squad. Carrot and stick.
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Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74
Date: Fri 13 May 22:08
Dick playing 1 up front again, live every week.
Can’t see him working here, only works with 2 up front.
See Airdrie played with 3 and scored once.
Glad the .net bandwagon understand football
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 14 May 12:29
Quote:
JamesAndrew74, Fri 13 May 22:08
Dick playing 1 up front again, live every week.
Can’t see him working here, only works with 2 up front.
See Airdrie played with 3 and scored once.
Glad the .net bandwagon understand football
See what you`re saying but simple fact is, our midfield back up wasn`t good enough to support a lone striker.
It was blindingly obvious O`Hara needed to play off McCann who won loads of balls in the air rather than as a lone striker.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74
Date: Sat 14 May 12:53
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Sat 14 May 12:29
Quote:
JamesAndrew74, Fri 13 May 22:08
Dick playing 1 up front again, live every week.
Can’t see him working here, only works with 2 up front.
See Airdrie played with 3 and scored once.
Glad the .net bandwagon understand football
See what you`re saying but simple fact is, our midfield back up wasn`t good enough to support a lone striker.
It was blindingly obvious O`Hara needed to play off McCann who won loads of balls in the air rather than as a lone striker.
So now it’s nothing to do with 2 up front? There’s hardly a team anywhere play with 2 main strikers.
At last we’re looking at the midfield which is exactly the issue. There’s not a single post on here not complaining about Yogi not playing “2 up front”
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sat 14 May 13:03
So yogi identified the issue when he came in saying he went with 1 up front because the midfield wasn’t good enough? So in the January window the signings didn’t improve the midfield if that’s still the issue?
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Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74
Date: Sat 14 May 13:07
Quote:
parsfan97, Sat 14 May 13:03
So yogi identified the issue when he came in saying he went with 1 up front because the midfield wasn’t good enough? So in the January window the signings didn’t improve the midfield if that’s still the issue?
You don’t sign good players in January. Fact. You sign players not good enough from other clubs similar size or worse than us.
He has identified the issues and needs to recruit well over the summer to make it work.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sat 14 May 13:18
I thought yesterday might be the day for some kind of announcement, the longer nothing is said the more i can see Hughes being kept on despite some of the stuff said the other day.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sat 14 May 13:29
I hope he’s nowhere near the pars job come next season. Far too stubborn to change a game, watching the play off game and not even changing it up was pathetic. Shows how bad the team really is if we can’t have a go against Queen’s Park
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Sat 14 May 13:47
Quote:
JamesAndrew74, Sat 14 May 13:07
You don’t sign good players in January. Fact.
Must have imagine us bringing in Donaldson in January then. Wighton last Jan/Feb as well. Dom Thomas in January 2020. Bruce Anderson in January 2019. Can’t be bothered checking every single year, but there was the obvious Hardie/Rutkiewicz in 2011 as well. 2017/18 we signed a whole new midfield in January (Beadling, Craigen and Vincent) and made the promotion play offs because of it.
Quite strange for a ‘fact’ to have exceptions almost every year and that’s before we look at other clubs, who have also improved their squads in January windows. Yes, it is more difficult to improve the squad in January than it is in the summer. But you certainly can sign good players.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 14 May 14:01
Quote:
JamesAndrew74, Sat 14 May 13:07
Quote:
parsfan97, Sat 14 May 13:03
So yogi identified the issue when he came in saying he went with 1 up front because the midfield wasn’t good enough? So in the January window the signings didn’t improve the midfield if that’s still the issue?
You don’t sign good players in January. Fact. You sign players not good enough from other clubs similar size or worse than us.
He has identified the issues and needs to recruit well over the summer to make it work.
I spotted a story that Craig Sibbald is being released by Livi. Injured last year and not had a look there. Was however excellent at Falkirk (I was surprised he didn`t go to a bigger club than Livi tbh) and will have worked with Yogi previously.
Might be a better option than some of our current midfield.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 14 May 14:17
Sibbald`s a big Falkirk fan so he is unlikely to be interested in signing for the Pars. He`ll attract interest from Premiership and Championship clubs as well as from Falkirk I`d imagine.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 14 May 14:39
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 14 May 14:17
Sibbald`s a big Falkirk fan so he is unlikely to be interested in signing for the Pars. He`ll attract interest from Premiership and Championship clubs as well as from Falkirk I`d imagine.
Most likely but I would have thought the same about O`Hara and we still signed him.
Cardle the second time too coming when we were in league one. I was really surprised he didn`t end up at a club higher up the leagues. Maybe like you say with Sibbald though, having local ties had something to do with that.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sat 14 May 14:44
Pretty sure he`ll sign for the club that offers him the best deal. Doubt he`ll care too much if that`s the Pars.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Sat 14 May 15:11
Was a scout at Falkirk for a short time and O’Hara wasn’t fancied at all there. Sibbald will not even entertain Pars. A bit like Tam Scobbie.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 14 May 16:06
"You don’t sign good players in January. Fact."
That`s possibly true of free transfers and loans (although it`s patently not true even when looking at par-91`s list) but we had money to spend on a player and ended up choosing one from one of our relegation rivals and one that they were happy to get rid of at that.
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Sat 14 May 16:08
Agreed. Hardie and Rutkiewicz were terrible!
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Sat 14 May 17:09
The sentence just needed amended to say "Yogi doesn`t sign good players in January". Some people keep looking for excuses for him, but the fact is, he was terrible.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 14 May 18:59
Quote:
par-91, Sat 14 May 13:47
Quote:
JamesAndrew74, Sat 14 May 13:07
You don’t sign good players in January. Fact.
Must have imagine us bringing in Donaldson in January then. Wighton last Jan/Feb as well. Dom Thomas in January 2020. Bruce Anderson in January 2019. Can’t be bothered checking every single year, but there was the obvious Hardie/Rutkiewicz in 2011 as well. 2017/18 we signed a whole new midfield in January (Beadling, Craigen and Vincent) and made the promotion play offs because of it.
Quite strange for a ‘fact’ to have exceptions almost every year and that’s before we look at other clubs, who have also improved their squads in January windows. Yes, it is more difficult to improve the squad in January than it is in the summer. But you certainly can sign good players.
You can if you are chasing a top 4 spot but its not so easy when you are trying to avoid a bottom 2 spot.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sat 14 May 19:11
Quote:
PARrot, Sat 14 May 18:59
Quote:
par-91, Sat 14 May 13:47
Quote:
JamesAndrew74, Sat 14 May 13:07
You don’t sign good players in January. Fact.
Must have imagine us bringing in Donaldson in January then. Wighton last Jan/Feb as well. Dom Thomas in January 2020. Bruce Anderson in January 2019. Can’t be bothered checking every single year, but there was the obvious Hardie/Rutkiewicz in 2011 as well. 2017/18 we signed a whole new midfield in January (Beadling, Craigen and Vincent) and made the promotion play offs because of it.
Quite strange for a ‘fact’ to have exceptions almost every year and that’s before we look at other clubs, who have also improved their squads in January windows. Yes, it is more difficult to improve the squad in January than it is in the summer. But you certainly can sign good players.
You can if you are chasing a top 4 spot but its not so easy when you are trying to avoid a bottom 2 spot.
In League 1 hopefully we will be able to attract good players as theoretically we will be one of the teams pushing for promotion
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Topic Originator: kba
Date: Sat 14 May 19:46
Quote:
Indiapar, Sat 14 May 19:11
Quote:
PARrot, Sat 14 May 18:59
Quote:
par-91, Sat 14 May 13:47
Quote:
JamesAndrew74, Sat 14 May 13:07
You don’t sign good players in January. Fact.
Must have imagine us bringing in Donaldson in January then. Wighton last Jan/Feb as well. Dom Thomas in January 2020. Bruce Anderson in January 2019. Can’t be bothered checking every single year, but there was the obvious Hardie/Rutkiewicz in 2011 as well. 2017/18 we signed a whole new midfield in January (Beadling, Craigen and Vincent) and made the promotion play offs because of it.
Quite strange for a ‘fact’ to have exceptions almost every year and that’s before we look at other clubs, who have also improved their squads in January windows. Yes, it is more difficult to improve the squad in January than it is in the summer. But you certainly can sign good players.
You can if you are chasing a top 4 spot but its not so easy when you are trying to avoid a bottom 2 spot.
In League 1 hopefully we will be able to attract good players as theoretically we will be one of the teams pushing for promotion
Did Ayr not do the same, getting two of our top player to hel them get promotion
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Sat 14 May 20:10
Quote:
Jeffery, Sat 14 May 14:01
Quote:
JamesAndrew74, Sat 14 May 13:07
Quote:
parsfan97, Sat 14 May 13:03
So yogi identified the issue when he came in saying he went with 1 up front because the midfield wasn’t good enough? So in the January window the signings didn’t improve the midfield if that’s still the issue?
You don’t sign good players in January. Fact. You sign players not good enough from other clubs similar size or worse than us.
He has identified the issues and needs to recruit well over the summer to make it work.
I spotted a story that Craig Sibbald is being released by Livi. Injured last year and not had a look there. Was however excellent at Falkirk (I was surprised he didn`t go to a bigger club than Livi tbh) and will have worked with Yogi previously.
Might be a better option than some of our current midfield.
That’s a wind up right? I’d sooner rather have George o’boyle back in a pars shirt than sign that wee scaff
Come on ye pars ⚽️
Post Edited (Sat 14 May 22:44)
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Topic Originator: GG4
Date: Sun 15 May 11:40
^Hahahaha^ No I suspect he`s being serious BOTN.
He can go hoover himself.
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Topic Originator: goldensixties
Date: Mon 16 May 17:18
The club statement on 11th May claimed that the football department and staff squad were under review. The board pledged to keep us informed of the situation as it progressed. When can we expect an update?
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Topic Originator: dave67
Date: Mon 16 May 17:45
Players contacts will be up at end of the month. So probably then
Let`s try making it till Christmas
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Mon 16 May 18:20
We’ve just had one of the worst seasons in living memory, and they will keep us in the dark until late May/early June? If they are keeping Yogi could they not have just said that so at least the fans aren’t waiting anxiously? They’ve lost a lot of fans with their crap this season. This is the final straw for me. Can’t see myself back at EEP any time soon.
Top of the league looking down on the F*lkirk!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 16 May 18:40
Quote:
goldensixties, Mon 16 May 17:18
The club statement on 11th May claimed that the football department and staff squad were under review. The board pledged to keep us informed of the situation as it progressed. When can we expect an update?
This is just a rough guess, but probably when they have one to give? The last update was less than a week ago.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Mon 16 May 18:49
It’s took them 10 days (so far) to decide whether Yogi is our manager next year or not? Shambles. Should have been gone before we got home from QP defeat.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 16 May 18:52
Maybe they have decided but don`t think it`s appropriate to announce that the manager will be continuing in accordance with his contract
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Topic Originator: arpar
Date: Mon 16 May 19:16
Quote:
Never10yairds, Mon 16 May 18:49
It’s took them 10 days (so far) to decide whether Yogi is our manager next year or not? Shambles. Should have been gone before we got home from QP defeat.
He`s under contract so the default position is that he is the manager.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Mon 16 May 19:23
I fear you might be right. The longer it goes, the more likely Yogi stays in post. A mistake in my view.
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Mon 16 May 19:37
If he`s staying , why don`t they just tell us ?
I`ve got season ticket money saved and I could use it for a wee break for the other half and myself , if he is to stay .
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Mon 16 May 19:44
Same parsweep. Season ticket and sponsorship money put by just incase we appoint a decent manager. Done putting money into the club to be wasted by crap managers tho. I’ll go to the odd game if he stays but will probably end up working more Saturdays than not.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 16 May 19:52
Call yourselves fans?!
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Mon 16 May 21:17
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 16 May 19:52
Call yourselves fans?!
Aye . I`ve been a fan and a supporter 57 years neebz.
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Mon 16 May 21:18
Players must know, as a lot are away on holiday now
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Mon 16 May 22:05
I hope for an update soon but at this point not sure it would make any difference
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Topic Originator: theparsman1885
Date: Mon 16 May 22:12
“Call yourself fans”
What a ridiculous thing to say, the implication being that if you decide to disagree with the club about their managerial appointment by withholding season ticket money then you’re not a fan?
Fans have every right to decide on what they do and don’t buy. The club have let the fans down with a series of poor decisions, resulting in one of the worst seasons in our history. Club have to recognise that. I’m not going to criticise folk that do or don’t buy depending on what happens.
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Topic Originator: Vamos Pars
Date: Mon 16 May 22:20
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 16 May 19:52
Call yourselves fans?!
This “I’m a better fan than you” nonsense is needing binned. We all want the best for the club. Fans are well within their rights to withhold funds as a means of voicing their opinion on the club.
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Mon 16 May 22:22
You miss the point.
People criticising a quick decision to appoint PG,
Now they are criticising for not making a quick decision.
You can`t win.
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Topic Originator: parathetic
Date: Mon 16 May 22:24
Seen Alex Edwards get his debut, I was about 10years old, been a season ticket holder for quite a few years now , and that must have been the worst season I have had to endure. Will I renew my season ticket 🤔the Judge is out... BUT I am the Judge 😉
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Mon 16 May 22:47
Quote:
brian, Mon 16 May 22:22
You miss the point.
People criticising a quick decision to appoint PG,
Now they are criticising for not making a quick decision.
You can`t win.
Do you think either of those are good decisions Brian?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 16 May 22:55
Quote:
brian, Mon 16 May 22:22
You miss the point.
People criticising a quick decision to appoint PG,
Now they are criticising for not making a quick decision.
You can`t win.
Exactly.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Mon 16 May 22:55
Brian, nobody said the decision to appoint PG’s replacement was too quick. They waited a month too long to sack him. Then they got the wrong man again. Do you think they are scared to sack Hughes incase they balls up the next appointment?
There shouldn’t really have been a decision to make, it should have been predetermined and understood by all parties that relegation meant a parting of ways. The fact this eventuality doesn’t seem to have been discussed and planned for is just amateur. If he if going, we should know by now, if he’s staying, we should know by now.
What we needed was a man not afraid to win ugly, that’s what pulls you out a relegation battle. Indeed it can win you titles too. I think there are/were some on the board who got stuck on the idea of playing pretty football and it’s relegated us. That was PG’s philosophy and also Hughes. That’s what lead us here. We need a manager who holds results above anything else. Play horrible football if you need to, cheat if you need to, bully teams, put someone in the 4th row of the stand if it’s necessary. The full time score and the league table are all that matters to me and I’d say at least 3/4 of our supporters.
I’d be happy to be playing route one with two big strikers and ram the game down the oppositions throats. I’m pretty convinced that would have kept us up with the players we had too. Smash it high to McCann and Todorov with midfield support to pick up second balls. Give me that over a thousand passes to nowhere.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 16 May 23:08
Hughes being accused of playing `pretty football`! I`ve heard it all now!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 16 May 23:11
Obviously I was fishing. Last Friday I was also bumping my gums about not renewing my season ticket. Changed my mind after I`d calmed down. I support the club not whoever the manager is but I respect those who feel strongly enough about the current manager that it puts them off going to games.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Mon 16 May 23:12
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 16 May 23:11
Obviously I was fishing. Last Friday I was also bumping my gums about not renewing my season ticket. Changed my mind after I`d calmed down. I support the club not whoever the manager is but I respect those who feel strongly enough about the current manager that it puts them off going to games.
Quicker to appoint PG than J333 DNO!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 16 May 23:15
Following the Pars is like following a soap opera. You might not like all the plot lines or the characters but you`re still curious to see how things work out
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 16 May 23:18
Quote:
AlterPar, Mon 16 May 23:12
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da_no_1, Mon 16 May 23:11
Obviously I was fishing. Last Friday I was also bumping my gums about not renewing my season ticket. Changed my mind after I`d calmed down. I support the club not whoever the manager is but I respect those who feel strongly enough about the current manager that it puts them off going to games.
Quicker to appoint PG than J333 DNO!
😁😁😁
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 17 May 00:11
wee eck, you are far too quick to criticise others. I remember you giving me hell when I called for Grant`s head at a time when it was patently obvious to all except you and a couple of others that it was necessary.
It has been the same story in recent months with you defending the indefensible as the Pars, under Yogi, slipped ever closer to the relegation trap-door.
There is a very fine line between blind loyalty and plain old fashioned common sense. I think you sometimes fail to make the distinction.
Please respect other fans` opinions rather than trying to ram yours down their throats. It is not a good look.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 17 May 00:51
Not sure what you are referring to, Oz. I don`t remember any exchange of views about Grant and I wouldn`t say I have been a blind follower of Yogi. Not so long ago I started a thread saying we were still as `soft` as he said we were when he was appointed. I try to respect everyone`s opinion on here but of course I don`t always agree with them and vice versa. I certainly don`t try to ram my opinions down other folks` throats. I say my piece and it`s up to others to respond.
I thought you had abandoned this forum because you fell out with somebody. Didn`t you threaten them with violence? Maybe you should lighten up. It`s just meant to be a bit of fun.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 17 May 06:06
Could it be that all players are contracted until the end of the playoff games this coming weekend between St Johnstone and Inverness. The club would have planned the players contracts until then and therefore I cannot see any need for a rush or decisions until that time.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 17 May 06:24
Yes, wee eck, I did leave the forum for several months. There were a small number of posters on here who were, in my view, dragging the forum down.
One in particular accused me of not being a Pars fan because of my negative stance over management tactics, which rather hurt, given that I have followed the team since 1965 and contribute financially as much as I can. Another chose to "unlike" every single post that I made. A childish but ultimately irritating ploy.
As far as threatening violence is concerned, a bit of an exaggeration, but I`ll wear it...
The clown otherwise known as Rastapari made some highly offensive comments about me, which I responded with the absolutely true statement that if he had said them directly to my face, I would have broken his nose. And that is a fact! I may be 67, but I won`t be taken for a fool by anyone.
And to be honest, wee eck, it is you who should lighten up.
For many months I have observed your comments on this forum. It is not an exaggeration to say that in 90% of your posts, you are having a dig at other posters on here. It is so predictable, in it`s own peculiar way, it has become quite an amusing diversion...
Post Edited (Tue 17 May 06:37)
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Tue 17 May 07:29
Quote:
Do you think either of those are good decisions Brian? [/Quote]
I`m not a football person, so not really commenting.
With regard to PG, feedback from Alloa was that he should do a lot better with a full time team.
Regards to JH, I thought his spell at Ross County was good and should have suited us (he may still do - Alec Ferguson got hounded early days]
I just wish people would be respectful of each other and of the people at the club.
Indeed, people are entitled of their opinion.
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Topic Originator: Toddyrov
Date: Tue 17 May 09:26
If you keep Hughes how do you even sell that to the fans ? (In terms of getting numbers in)
Keep the man who relegated you (after previously hiring a man that relegated another team then kept him too long) then run the risk of making that same mistake again because it won’t take much for the fans to turn.
Hughes has an ok record but can he re build squads?
One thing I’m hearing from almost every Dunfermline fan I talk too is
1.Hughes out
2. I’m not watching that sidewords football again
I’ve no idea how you sell this to fans.
The season ticket prices could be interesting
Effe
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Tue 17 May 09:51
Ultimately, the fans are already fairly negative about Hughes. If we stick with him and it works, brilliant. If we stick with him, let him build a squad and find that he definitely isn’t the man, it won’t take long for the atmosphere to become poisonous and fans to really turn.
Then we end up in a similar situation in October/November that we had this season. Awful squad of players, terrible league position and a very unattractive job - much less attractive than it is just now (which already isn’t that great).
Appointing a younger manager and making clear that it’s part of a longer-term plan would make a difference and people are more likely to have patience with him/her. Hughes is going to be 58 this year. That’s not someone you build a long-term project around.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 May 10:18
I said this when it became clear PG wasn`t working - who replaces the manager?
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Tue 17 May 10:38
Advertise the job, see who applies then take it from there. Or approach someone that’s actually credible not someone who just got a team relegated preferably. Don’t understand the logic of keeping on a manager that gets you relegated it’ll end in disaster
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Tue 17 May 10:59
"Appointing a younger manager and making clear that it’s part of a longer-term plan would make a difference and people are more likely to have patience with him/her. Hughes is going to be 58 this year. That’s not someone you build a long-term project around."
Well given Dick Campbell is still doing it at 70 a dozen years from know who knows what hughes could achieve?
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Tue 17 May 11:18
Aye, fans aren`t interested in a 5-year project if you hire a 33-year old, touted as `an amazing coach` and then you end up with 4 points from the first half-dozen games.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Tue 17 May 11:50
I’d venture fans aren’t really interested in a 5 year project full stop if it means the first 3 or 4 of them will be dreadful.
Promotion from league 1 back to the championship must take precedent. What the club does in the next 3 months must show that an immediate return to the championship is its overriding priority. What’s the point in having the best academy in league 1/2? How much do league one teams manage to command in transfer fees? Even championship clubs struggle to get much for a decent young player.
To realise the ambition of being a sustainable selling club we need top flight football to showcase them. It’s also going to be difficult to attract top prospect 14/15/16 year olds to Dunfermline when we are languishing in league one. The best of them will not be short of offers from elsewhere.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 May 12:35
Quote:
Never10yairds, Tue 17 May 11:50
It`s also going to be difficult to attract top prospect 14/15/16 year olds to Dunfermline when we are languishing in league one. The best of them will not be short of offers from elsewhere.
Not if those kids can watch their PE teacher or coach playing for the Pars 😉
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Tue 17 May 12:44
Quote:
jake89, Tue 17 May 12:35
Quote:
Never10yairds, Tue 17 May 11:50
It`s also going to be difficult to attract top prospect 14/15/16 year olds to Dunfermline when we are languishing in league one. The best of them will not be short of offers from elsewhere.
Not if those kids can watch their PE teacher or coach playing for the Pars 😉
I really hope we’re not signing Danny Denholm. I’d take Dylan Easton though.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Tue 17 May 12:46
Ok let me play devils advocate here if we do sack Hughes what then happens if the new manager isn`t an improvement do we change manager again?
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Topic Originator: dpard
Date: Tue 17 May 13:02
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Tue 17 May 12:46
Ok let me play devils advocate here if we do sack Hughes what then happens if the new manager isn`t an improvement do we change manager again?
Yes, that how football works. Has done for decades, at all levels. If the manager isn`t working he gets released.
This isn`t a problem just for us, funnily enough.
The flame still burns
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Tue 17 May 13:19
Yes dafc-Chris1,
That’s what happens, underperforming managers are sacked. It’s only usually managers who meet the club’s expectations that get longer than a year or so.
This happens to some degree or other in most businesses too. If I had an employee who was making a balls of it every week, quality was falling and my customers were unhappy, they wouldn’t last long. There would be a bit of a chat about things and try to support them to improve but if my expectations weren’t being met shortly after it would be “see you later” and they’d be replaced. I appreciate football is a bit different in some respects but the basic premise is the same.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Tue 17 May 14:58
Im sure everything will be on the table for review and it will all come out after a full assessment of what we need to do going forward.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 May 18:42
This is going to come to a shock to many, but the grass isn`t always greener. You wouldn`t get rid of someone unless you were confident of someone better applying.
When Hughes was appointed we weren`t exactly beating potential managers off (though perhaps that would have attracted more applicants?). From what I recall we had Hughes and Calderwood Jr. Did any of the names we keep hearing apply? Petrie? Campbell? Thompson?
Okay, maybe it`s different with the season being over, but who would come to the Scottish first division to a club that is in freefall?
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Tue 17 May 18:56
Someone who thinks that they`d like to test themselves with a reasonable budget to get promoted. In the context of that league it`s surely a decent opportunity, no?
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Tue 17 May 19:09
Quote:
jake89, Tue 17 May 18:42
When Hughes was appointed we weren`t exactly beating potential managers off (though perhaps that would have attracted more applicants?). From what I recall we had Hughes and Calderwood Jr. Did any of the names we keep hearing apply? Petrie? Campbell? Thompson?
To be fair, it’s unlikely their agents would have been keen to leak info on their applications, given it was mid-season and they were currently employed. They wouldn’t have much to gain by doing so. I have no idea whether they applied or not, but just because it was never confirmed that they did, doesn’t mean they didn’t. To be honest, even the media reporting that people apply/are interviewed for jobs doesn’t mean it’s true.
Agree with your main points though. If the board were unsure about Hughes’ future, they may have been contacting managers/agents to gauge interest over the last 10 days to see who would be likely to be interested. That will, you would expect, be an important consideration when deciding what to do.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 May 19:33
I think some people think we just say "Want a job?" to whoever we want.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 17 May 20:19
Plenty "bigger" teams looking for managers just now!
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Tue 17 May 20:32
I wonder if Owen Coyle was available when we signed JH?
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Tue 17 May 20:42
Quote:
eastendalloapar, Tue 17 May 20:32
I wonder if Owen Coyle was available when we signed JH?
He wasn’t. He was under contract in India until the end of the 21-22 season - his team’s last game wasn’t until March.
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Tue 17 May 20:50
Quote:
OzPar, Tue 17 May 06:24
Yes, wee eck, I did leave the forum for several months. There were a small number of posters on here who were, in my view, dragging the forum down.
One in particular accused me of not being a Pars fan because of my negative stance over management tactics, which rather hurt, given that I have followed the team since 1965 and contribute financially as much as I can. Another chose to "unlike" every single post that I made. A childish but ultimately irritating ploy.
As far as threatening violence is concerned, a bit of an exaggeration, but I`ll wear it...
The clown otherwise known as Rastapari made some highly offensive comments about me, which I responded with the absolutely true statement that if he had said them directly to my face, I would have broken his nose. And that is a fact! I may be 67, but I won`t be taken for a fool by anyone.
And to be honest, wee eck, it is you who should lighten up.
For many months I have observed your comments on this forum. It is not an exaggeration to say that in 90% of your posts, you are having a dig at other posters on here. It is so predictable, in it`s own peculiar way, it has become quite an amusing diversion...
Post Edited (Tue 17 May 06:37)
Not only have you burst the net with that reply Oz you’ve smashed it oot the stadium and doon halbeath road watching wee eck being squared away like that is actually quite amusing
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Tue 17 May 21:06
John Hughes was in my eyes one of the worst names linked, he`s still living off a reputation gleamed through funny tidbits on the radio etc.
If he is the best manager we can get we`d be as well as packing it in.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 17 May 21:09
OK, let`s have a few examples of the `90% of my posts that are having a dig at other posters`. I thought a forum was meant to encourage an exchange of views. I did enjoy the irony though of OzPar coming on this thread for the sole purpose it would appear of having a dig at me.
If this is an attempt to censor my posts it`s failed. I`ll post what I like and leave Admin to decide whether they`re acceptable or not.
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Topic Originator: StevenPar77
Date: Tue 17 May 22:05
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Kdy Par, Tue 17 May 12:44
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jake89, Tue 17 May 12:35
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Never10yairds, Tue 17 May 11:50
It`s also going to be difficult to attract top prospect 14/15/16 year olds to Dunfermline when we are languishing in league one. The best of them will not be short of offers from elsewhere.
Not if those kids can watch their PE teacher or coach playing for the Pars 😉
I really hope we’re not signing Danny Denholm. I’d take Dylan Easton though.
You can breathe easier as Denholm has signed for Stirling Albion!
http://www.agiftfor.net
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 17 May 22:45
Hughes had his chance to redeem himself and rebuild his career and has blown it. He must be emptied now
However there weren`t many other realistic options that were 100% guaranteed to keep us in the Championship back in November.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Tue 17 May 22:45)
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Wed 18 May 02:07
What if the main problem is that our players have just not been good enough and even if we had the best manager in the world he wouldn`t have been able to stave off the inevitable.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 18 May 06:05
Quote:
Paralex, Wed 18 May 02:07
What if the main problem is that our players have just not been good enough and even if we had the best manager in the world he wouldn`t have been able to stave off the inevitable.
I`d like to think that "the best manager in the world" would be able to get a better return from a squad of modest players, by employing them in a tactical formation and in positions which played to their strengths, Paralex. Furthermore, his superb man management skills would ensure his players would run through the proverbial brick wall for him.
Some years ago, I spoke to the late Geordie Peebles before a game at EEP. I asked him what it was like to play for Jock Stein, who was certainly the greatest manager in Scotland in his day. Geordie`s eyes lit up at the memory. "Jock was brilliant" he replied. "He made you feel 10 ft tall and we went out believing we could beat anybody. "
And the did. A modest team not only avoided relegation by winning their last 6 games, but went on to lift the Scottish Cup in Jock`s first full season. They did pretty well in Europe in the seasons that followed, too. Jock then moved to Easter Road for 6 months and transformed a poor Hibs team into one that beat Real Madrid in a friendly. And that`s without touching on his achievements at Parkhead, when he took over a team that hadn`t won a thing since the 50s......
Not your average Sunday League player.
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