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 New manager
Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Sat 7 May 18:35

Who are we seriously going to get in for next season? Can’t think of anyone who id actually want in

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Sat 7 May 18:37

Scott brown? Assume Petrie wouldn’t. Campbell might jump at the chance but nah.

1 year contract for AJ? He’s a better option than yogi at this point!

Is there no one the Germans can bring over?



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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 7 May 18:37

It`s not just the manager, we need new coaches too.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: parsloyal98  
Date:   Sat 7 May 18:42

Kevin Thomson. Heard it here first.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: k76  
Date:   Sat 7 May 18:49

Who would touch us?

Could be a career ending move for a young coach.

Personally I would go for Kevin Thomson.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Row_ZZ  
Date:   Sat 7 May 18:50

Kevin Thomson and Stewart Petrie would be ideal, and I suspect both would be very interested in it. We are a big club, and will pay very, very well. I think Thomson especially is an ambitious guy, so he would be interested, definitely.

Out-with them two, no-one is springing to mind, who is currently in a job as such. Scott Brown and Marvin Bartley are young coaches looking for the step up, so they could potentially be good candidates. Scott Brown is a legend, lets be honest, and will command respect, but great players don’t make great managers.

Doesn’t sound as if Yogi is getting his jotters, though. He 100% should be gone tonight and work starting on hiring someone to take this club forward.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 7 May 18:51

Someone who will last more than a year

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: par-91  
Date:   Sat 7 May 19:07

Think we need a full review and restructure, to be honest. Need to review all operations and decision making. It’s clear that we’ve made significant progress behind the scenes/off the field, but on the pitch has been awful.

Shields and Whittaker are on their 3rd manager and, at this stage, have to be recognised as part of the problem. It’s not normal to force new managers to work with the existing management team.

Need to look at recruitment - both management team and playing staff. Since Grant’s appointment, we seem to have abandoned the ‘investing in youth/younger players who can progress’ strategy that actually worked relatively well. It’s also bizarre to seemingly abandon that strategy when setting up the academy/training ground, which would surely attract more of these players? Likewise, both managerial appointments this season have been very poor. We need to look at what went wrong and why. With both managers, it seems like they got fooled by people with the gift of the gab.

I’m also surprised that, other than Ross McArthur’s decision to step down, everyone from the existing board has kept their role, despite the investors joining the board. Surely that’s not totally necessary? Surely some of their expertise can/should now be replaced with the expertise of the newcomers.

It makes no difference what I say here. We have to trust that those in charge will review from top to bottom and make changes. I’d imagine they will and would be very concerned if they didn’t.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: PARadise  
Date:   Sat 7 May 19:09

Jack Ross.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Fethiyespar  
Date:   Sat 7 May 19:16

Jack Ross or go down a different route, Meggle must have contacts in German Football, maybe a young manager from their lower leagues.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: charlie1  
Date:   Sat 7 May 19:20

We wouldn`t get Ross as a Championship team!!!
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: gopars  
Date:   Sat 7 May 19:23

Did anyone hear Graeme Murty on Off the Ball, has done loads of work at under 20 level, couple of caretaker roles, extensive contacts down south, maybe an ideal candidate?

Cut me do I not bleed black and white.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Sat 7 May 19:23

I doubt Ross would want it, but if he did it would be a no brainer.

Ian Murray if Petrie won`t go full time would be okay.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Sat 7 May 19:24

Meggle hasn`t exactly had a decent input with managers so far! I would hope he has nothing to do with the next appointment.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Sat 7 May 19:27

Why would Stewart Petrie give up his banking career for a possible six months with us? No wins in the first half of the season and he’d be out the door.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: king lad  
Date:   Sat 7 May 19:52

Absolutely no faith in the boards decision making on the pitch, they`ve been nothing short of a disgrace on that side of things since returning to the championship. With McGlynn at Falkirk, Kelty coming up, Petrie at montrose and one of Queens Park or Airdrie in League one it`s going to be a tough year. Investment in the right management team and squad will be vital. Hughes needs to be relieved of his duties tomorrow morning (surely the board had a clause for relegation built in? Probably not... ) and work needs to be done right away for the club to be prepared for league 1.

Whittaker and unfortunately Shields I think need to move on, bring in some fresh eyes at the club to improve the guys who are here next year and to identify players to bring in that have a winning mentality to get us back up at the first time of asking.

Need to find a way to get rid of Dorrans and Chalmers in midfield and find some guys full of energy/battle that can control games in the middle of the park. No chance of that happening under the current manager. Obviously emotions are raw but it`s up to the board to be proactive and give the fans something to cheer for next year. Massive task required, let`s see if the Germans can clear house and turn this ****show around
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: steaua  
Date:   Sat 7 May 19:53

I would love it to be Scott Brown.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: evo!  
Date:   Sat 7 May 19:59

Tommy Wright, James McPake, AJ come to mind in terms of being available.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: RMGpar  
Date:   Sat 7 May 20:00

come to mind as in being no where near the club?

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: par-91  
Date:   Sat 7 May 20:00

Quote:

steaua, Sat 7 May 19:53

I would love it to be Scott Brown.


If he was interested, I’d be happy with that. Always struck me as a natural leader, who would get the best out of players around him and inspire the team. Also did whatever it took to win games as a player. I think he has a lot of characteristics/traits that I would associate with successful managers.

No guarantees he would be successful, of course, but every appointment is a gamble.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Sat 7 May 20:03

If it was Brown he would at least give honest interviews and not make a mockery of the fans by sugarcoating utter garbage. This mollycoddling of modern players has to stop. They need telt. Get a grip!!

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: k76  
Date:   Sat 7 May 20:06

If we want to go back up next season there is only one man and that is Dick Campbell.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: rikaka  
Date:   Sat 7 May 20:17

It`s going to be a huge ask to get a brand new squad together and gelled to go out and win the league. Next appointment needs to be long term with a plan/structure a better way of playing and a system.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Sat 7 May 20:17

Well as our board like to go backwards. I’m gonna say Stephen Glass, Broony as his assistant. It was Glass that took Broony to Aberdeen. Possible I dunno what he is doing now though but he done a brilliant job with our youths.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: rikaka  
Date:   Sat 7 May 20:21

What would like to see is a shift away from loads of loan players and super high player turn over. If we are to build something it will need consistency. Dick`s Arbroath didn`t just happen over one preseason he`s been building that for years.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Diablop4r  
Date:   Sat 7 May 20:23

Scott Brown

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Sat 7 May 20:27

Broonie is a leader and a very good guy ,in the league we are now in he would be a good fit
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Sat 7 May 20:29

Brown has an advantage over others at the moment in that he has been around the place for weeks, hes seen the players on and off the park etc etc.

"but every appointment is a gamble"

this. maybe we should only look at candidates who will play 442....

"Next appointment needs to be long term with a plan/structure a better way of playing and a system."

first couple of defeats and that goes out the window though, look at Aberdeen and a lesser extent Hibs.



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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: dd23  
Date:   Sat 7 May 20:30

What’s the bets it will be Graeme Dorrans.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft  
Date:   Sat 7 May 20:30

Stephen glass? FFS. that would be equally as catastrophic as Peter grant was.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Sat 7 May 20:30

I’d absolutely 100% get behind Scott Brown as manager.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Polt  
Date:   Sat 7 May 20:36

Bamba - I do agree but knowing the boards recent appointments it wouldn’t surprise me one bit. He did do well in charge of the academy, we need young players that want to make a name for themselves. Broony is a stand out he is everything we seem to be missing. Fire passion and desire, vocal and if his management skills are like his captain skills then it will be like having a 12th man on the park.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Toddyrov  
Date:   Sat 7 May 20:38

Wasn’t Hughes a bit of a passion merchant ? I kind of want a wee bit experience, although theirs little to choose from

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: JimDAFC  
Date:   Sat 7 May 20:48

I would be quite happy with the bunnet if Arbroath don`t make it up or alternatively go part time and get Petrie

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Sat 7 May 21:04

When Jim Jeffries went, they should have gone for Dick Campbell
When John Potter went, they should have went for Dick Campbell
When Alan Johnston went, they should have went for Dick Campbell
When Stevie Crawford went, they should have went for Dick Campbell
When Peter Grant went, they should have went for Dick Campbell
Now, when John Hughes goes....
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: cfad  
Date:   Sat 7 May 21:12

^ crap recently, but you were wrong then and you’re wrong now

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Sat 7 May 21:33

Any manager who had the majority of the ground singing dirty Falkirk bar steward at him at the end of the game can`t be in charge next year.

c'mon the pars
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Sat 7 May 21:42

Quote:

Berkey, Sat 07 May 18:37

Scott brown? Assume Petrie wouldn’t. Campbell might jump at the chance but nah.

1 year contract for AJ? He’s a better option than yogi at this point!

Is there no one the Germans can bring over?



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Campbell??? nah that ship has long since sailed mibby at the start of the season he would have dropped Arbroath to come to east end but nah no even approached for the job

Come on ye pars ⚽️
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: forever black and white  
Date:   Sat 7 May 21:47

If yogi goes . The next cheap option will be Scott brown. Mark my words.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: ParfectXI  
Date:   Sat 7 May 21:50

It’s about time we got off the Scottish Manager merry go round - it’s stale unless we push the boat out for someone with pedigree at a higher level.

I’d however, use the Germans knowledge and bring someone in from Europe, the unknown quantity could give us an advantage

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: parsparspars  
Date:   Sat 7 May 22:49

ICampbell might be having a bash at the establishment in the prem next season, he’s not going to give that opportunity up even for the pars. Took a long slow build to achieve what he has now. We are at ground zero, next manager has to be given the time to build that but we aren’t the kind of club that affords that time and space. And correct above re the elephant in the room that has been a soft murmur until full time today, JHwill always be a Falkirk bar steward and shouldn’t be anywhere near our club. Hughes, Baptist, McCAlluster,Cadette et Al should be banned from crossing the Kincardine bridge and entry into our find kingdom.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: kba  
Date:   Sat 7 May 23:09

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ParfectXI, Sat 7 May 21:50

It’s about time we got off the Scottish Manager merry go round - it’s stale unless we push the boat out for someone with pedigree at a higher level.

I’d however, use the Germans knowledge and bring someone in from Europe, the unknown quantity could give us an advantage


Exactly how I`m thinking as well. Even a really good young coach from down south. Ie: Lee bullen, Ayr took the chance and it paid of for them.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: plainview  
Date:   Sat 7 May 23:50

Ideally, we need someone who can recruit well, is tactically sound and that can get players doing the basics well.
Realistically, these qualities won’t come from one person at our level.
Therefore, we need multiple decent people that can address these issues: a tactically sound manager, better recruitment staff (e.g. scouts) and coaches who can make us fitter and at least give our players the ability to take a touch, pass accurately and move into space off the ball.

So we essentially need a total clear out since all our current staff offer is tactical ineptitude, awful recruitment of uncaring journeymen and has-beens, and coaching that has our players being out-run by part-timers and making amateurish mistakes with basic football.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: summeragent  
Date:   Sun 8 May 00:22

Ian Murray
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: JimDAFC  
Date:   Sun 8 May 00:36

I think a new manager would get more time if the type of football he was aspiring his team to play was attractive to watch but this will take quite a few years to materialise into a league winning side.. I think we could be in the first division for 3 or 4 years.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Sun 8 May 00:37

We need total change,including coaching staff.We are too predictable and stale ,players are not being motivated.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: dpard  
Date:   Sun 8 May 10:11

Dick Campbell is the obvious choice, and realistically the best shot of getting out of there, at the first attempt.

In an ideal world, Jack Ross, but no chance he`s dropping to league 1, even though his choices in Scottish football are slim.

The flame still burns
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Sun 8 May 10:42

If it was brown, could it be as player manager! L?!?

Even a past it Brown would do a better job in bossing the centre circle than what we’ve got
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: par-91  
Date:   Sun 8 May 11:03

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DBP, Sun 8 May 10:42

If it was brown, could it be as player manager! L?!?

Even a past it Brown would do a better job in bossing the centre circle than what we’ve got


Nope. He’s confirmed his retirement from playing. Also never keen on a player/manager role. Would rather the manager focused on being manager.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: DRJ1986  
Date:   Sun 8 May 11:30

I’ll get massively shot down but I’d keep Yogi until Nov/Dec. That’s 2 windows he’d have to bring in what he needs for his “passing brand of football” & sufficient time to turn things around for automatic promotion. Yogi is contracted to us until 2023, I may be wrong but I don’t believe we have a contract break based on relegation… The BoD signed Grant on his CV, doubt they’d have the nouse to include. There’s not many available managers at present that I’d deem achievable & better plus we don’t have bags of cash! Let’s give Yogi more time, he’ll be aware his heads on the chopping block. We can’t just keep binning managers or we’ll definitely never move forward.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Sun 8 May 11:32

Campbell
Petrie
Kevin Thomson

That’s my knee jerk first three picks.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: AlterPar  
Date:   Sun 8 May 11:34

Decision has already been made to keep Yogi on. Onwards and…upwards?
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: xgatesmafia  
Date:   Sun 8 May 11:39

Dick Campbell. And we ll have to hope he’s turned into some kind of wizard to win promotion with the boys we’ve signed up for next season .

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 8 May 11:59

It`s Hughes for next season. No point debating.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 8 May 12:12

I seem to remember Yogi was generally considered to be the right appointment after Grant`s sacking as we needed an experienced manager to avoid relegation. I`ll admit I thought he`d achieve that but he seemed to lose his way latterly and was very stubborn in his team selections and tactics. `One striker` is quite a fashionable way to play nowadays but it needs the right kind of front-man to play that role and good support from midfield. He didn`t solve either of these problems. I`ve no idea what`s the best thing to do now.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: The Boss  
Date:   Sun 8 May 12:29

If it’s Hughes we’re in trouble. The club will lose fans and he’ll be sacked before Christmas.

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You like black and white
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Sun 8 May 12:34

Problem is yogi is signing players to play 451 formation and as we have seen it doesn’t work.

If he signed more players like chalmers, polworth, efe, lawless etc the next manager won’t have the personnel to play an effective 442.

Clean break now and let’s do our due diligence on the next guy with a focus on how he plans to set the team up and what type of football he wants to play.

Things will be looking up……..now yogi is gone!

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Sun 8 May 12:43

If Hughes starts next season I bet we will be howling for him to go before Christmas

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: 1985Par  
Date:   Sun 8 May 12:46

If we’re still losing games playing the same brand of keep-ball I’ll be howling for him to go long before that.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Sun 8 May 12:47

We`re not going to get a German coach over, we can thank the Faragists for that. We`re also not going to get Petrie, he`s not going to leave his good job at the Bank for us now. Maybe last season we`d have had a wee chance since we were in the Championship and had aspirations of challenging for promotion but now? No way. Campbell I can`t see leaving Arbroath and he`s also got outside interests so part time suits him. Thompson I can see but was what he did with Kelty that good? They were heavy favourites and had a much bigger and better squad than anyone else in that division. Only name I can think that might get a mention if our board are actually thinking about a change (and I don`t think they are) is Jim McIntyre.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: PARadise  
Date:   Sun 8 May 12:53

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DRJ1986, Sun 08 May 11:30

I’ll get massively shot down but I’d keep Yogi until Nov/Dec. That’s 2 windows he’d have to bring in what he needs for his “passing brand of football” & sufficient time to turn things around for automatic promotion. Yogi is contracted to us until 2023, I may be wrong but I don’t believe we have a contract break based on relegation… The BoD signed Grant on his CV, doubt they’d have the nouse to include. There’s not many available managers at present that I’d deem achievable & better plus we don’t have bags of cash! Let’s give Yogi more time, he’ll be aware his heads on the chopping block. We can’t just keep binning managers or we’ll definitely never move forward.


Spot on
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: The Boss  
Date:   Sun 8 May 16:52

James McPake might be worth a punt.

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You like black and white
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Sun 8 May 17:28

Looks like it`s Hughes. No real point debating it.

But, if we were to debate it...personally, I`d like the club to take a risk - the `safe options` haven`t worked for us for a while now. The only `risk` we`ve taken over the past few years was Stephen Kenny, and even he got us to a Cup Final. Oh, for that level of `failure` now.

What would a `risk` look like, someone like Scott Brown - I believe he could attract hungry players to join us. Him, or and a foreign manager I`ve never heard of, just for the sheer unknown/excitement of it all.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Sun 8 May 18:26

I would risk it for someone like Scott brown, anyone underperforming would find out about it in no uncertain terms. Even dorrans is a better risk than yogi at this point given surely he won’t be so negative.

Goodwin has done well as he was a similar type of player to brown. It’s about setting the standard in training etc. Gibson at least has some needle about him.

Shame coyle is signed up to QP, he might have been a shout.

Anything but these old Scottish duds who have made thier money from payoffs instead of success.



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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot  
Date:   Sun 8 May 19:57

We shouldn`t be playing one particular style/formation. We should be adaptable enough to play whatever style /formation to best the team we are playing. Playing the same way all the time just allows the other teams to easily suss us out.

Playing the same way week in, week out, is ok if you`re a big team like Man City or Bayern Munich, but we`re just a wee team that don`t have and never will have the players to do such a thing.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Sun 8 May 21:18

Murray, Thompson, Brown.

Any of those Hibees would be a massive improvement on the Hibee we have just now.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Gaz3822  
Date:   Sun 8 May 21:36

I wouldn`t trust this board to make a decent appointment due to being clueless so it looks like we`ll be starting the new season with this muppet again 😟

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Doves  
Date:   Sun 8 May 21:46

Keep Hughes. Stability is required as sorting out a decade of keek won`t happen overnight.

It`s pihs now, cannae lie but it will take time.

The club gave a whopper like Alan Johnstone over three seasons FFS.

"C'est la vie", say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sun 8 May 22:19

A Falkirk man who has got 2 Fife teams relegated. They will be building a statue of outside the main entrance of their Grangemouth stadium.

matt forsyth
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: CrossPar  
Date:   Sun 8 May 23:33

Keep Hughes? He hasn`t a clue tactically! How is that going to change?
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Sun 8 May 23:47

Keep Hughes and we will be bottom half of League 1.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Sun 8 May 23:58

If Arbroath don’t get promoted we need to beg dick Campbell to take it. A lot of us wanted him last summer but the board didn’t listen. They appointed a genius who had just got Alloa relegated instead. I will never stop being angry about that. I don’t think I’ll ever be able to let it go. It made so little sense and had disaster written all over it.

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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Mon 9 May 00:03

There`s nothing to say whether Hughes will be staying, or going. The board meeting won`t be until Monday to confirm it.

I`d take Thompson, Levein or McIntyre.

Not sure why Brown is so hotly tipped, he didn`t play under many good managers, and while he`s a thoroughly decent guy he is thick as mince. A good player doesn`t always necessarily mean a good manager, he`s got very little to no coaching experience, no thanks.

And please for the love of christ not Kettlewell or McPake.

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Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Mon 9 May 09:21

I would like to see us going for Jack Ross on a long term contract, formulate a plan and stick with it

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Mon 9 May 09:37

^^^this^^^

We need stability. The German board must have some sort of plan/vision & there is absolutely no way it was based around League 1 football. We need a manager to be sold/buy into a long term vision for our club. Not just get us out League 1 (although that has to be a priority) It has to be more than just lurching from one season to the next.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Parfect69  
Date:   Mon 9 May 09:39

Don’t think I could suffer another season of this complete und utter negative tactics. I sat in my seat at 2:30 looked on twitter at the team and subs. I don’t think I have ever been so angry at a match before a ball has been kicked. At that point I even put a fiver on QP at 4/1. Hoping I would lose of course.
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Topic Originator: 1985Par  
Date:   Mon 9 May 09:49

In terms of " giving Hughes time" - If there had been a crumb of something to suggest that by giving him time he`d turn the ship around then I`d agree with this. However everything he does points to simply more of the same. It will be more Chalmers-like signings, more slow build up, more keep-ball, more one up front etc etc. It`s been " if plan A fails then move to plan A" all season long. Even PG realised that a change of style was needed and ditched his passing ideology to try to turn things around, albeit too late for him.

I`m usually the last to call for a managers head but on this occasion I am because i can envisage another few months of more of the same before the axe is inevitably wielded and we`re looking for a new manager half way through the season.

Scott Brown would be an interesting one. My sons pal had him as a coach for the Aberdeen youth team. " Best coach by a mile" was how he was described. A lower league club should be where he starts his managerial career and, lets face it, that`s exactly what we are.

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Topic Originator: DJAS  
Date:   Mon 9 May 09:52

Kidding ourself on thinking Jack Ross is an option IMO.





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Topic Originator: AJ27  
Date:   Mon 9 May 09:57

Dundee must have a better chance of getting Jack Ross than us.

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Topic Originator: RossDAFC  
Date:   Mon 9 May 10:05

never10yairds hits the nail on the head, if Arbroath don`t go up we need to go for Dick Campbell. His general signing policy is to sign people who are willing to work hard for him which is something we`ve sorely lacked this season. Think we will need a change at board level for that to happen though.

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Topic Originator: InschPar  
Date:   Mon 9 May 10:05

If we keep Hughes, we will be playing Cowden in the Lowland League in 3 seasons !!

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Topic Originator: king lad  
Date:   Mon 9 May 10:07

Today will be extremely telling imo, everyone knows planning for league 1 will need to be taking place as soon as possible. If the club wants to get a new manager in you`d think Hughes would be relieved of his duties today so that the search can begin for a new management team.

I would`ve perhaps been more comfortable had the team been relegated whilst Hughes actually showed some guts to go out and win games, he`s been so unbelievably passive hoping to scrape victories whilst just playing lone strikers who can`t actually play that role and we`ve conceded goals anyway.

Playing midfielders who are so slow at getting the ball forward and just retaining possession for the sake of it, rather than with a purpose. We won`t get out of League 1 playing slow tempo football, you have to go out and attack teams like the promotion team did a few years ago.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par  
Date:   Mon 9 May 12:31

Set Hughes aside there are several players needing ejected. Far too many wage thief’s going through the motions.
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Topic Originator: rikaka  
Date:   Mon 9 May 12:37

Jack Ross? Really? Do we have that high opinion of ourselves?

Out of budget
We are in league 1
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Topic Originator: par-91  
Date:   Mon 9 May 12:53

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Bannockburn Par, Mon 9 May 12:31

Set Hughes aside there are several players needing ejected. Far too many wage thief’s going through the motions.


Agree with this. Think we need to review/reshuffle most aspects of the club.

It’s the ideal time to look at the current board and reassess who is contributing positively and who isn’t. Do we need to restructure the board and review the decision making processes? What is the vision for the club, signing policies, what type of manager/philosophy do we want? It’s important everyone’s on the same page in the boardroom.

We need to offload the manager and make sure that whoever replaces him gets to select his own management team - whether that involves coaches already here or not. The existing team has failed in their objective and we need to cut our losses. If we didn’t put a relegation release into Hughes’ contract, then people in the room should be asking why not. He took over knowing we were in a relegation fight, but it certainly wasn’t an impossible task. He got given the budget to bring in 7 players and replace the GK coach, to try and avoid relegation in the 22 games, plus playoffs, that he was in charge for.

They also need to look at playing staff. In particular, it’s likely we need to cut costs. They’ll need to look at who is out of contract and who, if any of them, are worth keeping. They also need to look at those under contract, particularly the higher earners and ask if their contributions match their relative salary. If not, is it possible to offload them? Looking at guys like Wighton, would it be possible to get a fee for them, if they aren’t part of the future plans anymore? Are there any players that we would be better considering offers for?
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 9 May 13:11

If we decide to change manager what do we do about the players whose contracts are about to expire? They`re unlikely to want to hang around long enough to see if the new manager will offer them a contract if they have other options.

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Topic Originator: par-ticular  
Date:   Mon 9 May 16:27

Hughes does not have a record for staying at clubs long-if he is allowed to buy during the summer and its more of the same, what happens if he goes at Xmas time. We have a team of gash players again, and the next manager has to work with them for another 6 months ie no headway in two seasons!
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Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Mon 9 May 16:57

If we keep hughes he’ll sign a boat load of slow deliberate players for a 451 set up which will severely hamstring the next guy.

The best we can hope for, for the likes of mehmet, dorrans and wighton is that they are happy to mutually end their deals and leave for nothing.

Things will be looking up……..now yogi is gone!

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Topic Originator: forever black and white  
Date:   Mon 9 May 16:58

Kevin Thompson would be a good fit . Highly regarded at rangers academy before taking the Kelty job . So should know what`s needed at academy level if Dunfermline still plan to go down that route.
Also done a great job at Kelty in his first season .
Could be the young hungry manager that Dunfermline needs. Who knows he may well be the one to probe the so called sleeping giant that`s now nearly in a coma

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Topic Originator: hudza  
Date:   Mon 9 May 18:52

Thomson, Campbell or McIntyre for me.

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Topic Originator: GG4  
Date:   Mon 9 May 19:09

A fresh approach, young manager with new ideas. These Germans are bound to have contacts. It`s really time for them to step up and take responsibility of getting right what McArthur and company couldn`t. Ie appointment a decent manager.

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Topic Originator: nazpar  
Date:   Mon 9 May 19:18

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hudza, Mon 9 May 18:52

Thomson, Campbell or McIntyre for me.


I doubt if Campbell will leave Arbroath and go full time because of his other business interests outside of football

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Topic Originator: kba  
Date:   Mon 9 May 19:37

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GG4, Mon 9 May 19:09

A fresh approach, young manager with new ideas. These Germans are bound to have contacts. It`s really time for them to step up and take responsibility of getting right what McArthur and company couldn`t. Ie appointment a decent manager.


David Cook must have plenty of contact too, so between our German investors and him they must be able to pull something out of the hat to set us on our way up again.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 10 May 12:17

Brown is seemingly in for the Raith job.
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Topic Originator: delboi  
Date:   Tue 10 May 14:57

I thought scott broon hated us townies

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Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Tue 10 May 15:25

Get disco deek in

Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Tue 10 May 18:48

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delboi, Tue 10 May 14:57

I thought scott broon hated us townies


He was born in Dunfermline lived in Inverkeithing and Dalgety bay
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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Tue 10 May 19:26

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jake89, Tue 10 May 12:17

Brown is seemingly in for the Raith job.


Gordon Brown?
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 10 May 19:30

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JTH123, Tue 10 May 19:26

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jake89, Tue 10 May 12:17

Brown is seemingly in for the Raith job.


Gordon Brown?


😂 Scott Brown.

Though I think it`s Gordon Brown who is no fan of the Pars.
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Topic Originator: Bigbeefcake  
Date:   Wed 11 May 01:28

It has to be Kevin Thomson and Joe Cardle as his number two. It`s the only and best option by a country. Whether we could pull it off though and they`d want to come is another question.

But our board don`t make good decisions. Never have and never will.

It`s another big beefy bonanza at the beefcake boulevard!!
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Topic Originator: DunPar  
Date:   Wed 11 May 06:15

Can’t believe no one has suggested Efe Ambrose as player/manager.……he’s still got it as a player…..makes sense to build team round him and let him manage in similar style to his on field genius……..a massive difficulty will be persuading St Johnstone so it’s a non starter…….but……….



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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 11 May 08:11

According to the Daily Mail Scott Brown is about to be appointed manager of Fleetwood Town.

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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz  
Date:   Wed 11 May 08:32

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DunPar, Wed 11 May 06:15

Can’t believe no one has suggested Efe Ambrose as player/manager.……he’s still got it as a player…..makes sense to build team round him and let him manage in similar style to his on field genius……..a massive difficulty will be persuading St Johnstone so it’s a non starter…….but……….



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This would also. fit in well with the seaside league. Players could just chill out with a few joints and a red stripe of a half time break like being at the beach and relax just like he does on the pitch.
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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Wed 11 May 08:41

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Parsfangaz, Wed 11 May 08:32

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DunPar, Wed 11 May 06:15

Can’t believe no one has suggested Efe Ambrose as player/manager.……he’s still got it as a player…..makes sense to build team round him and let him manage in similar style to his on field genius……..a massive difficulty will be persuading St Johnstone so it’s a non starter…….but……….



Post Edited (Wed 11 May 06:18)


This would also. fit in well with the seaside league. Players could just chill out with a few joints and a red stripe of a half time break like being at the beach and relax just like he does on the pitch.




And if we appoint a Scottish manager they can have some haggis and whisky at half time aye?
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 11 May 11:19

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Grant, Wed 11 May 08:41

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Parsfangaz, Wed 11 May 08:32

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DunPar, Wed 11 May 06:15

Can’t believe no one has suggested Efe Ambrose as player/manager.……he’s still got it as a player…..makes sense to build team round him and let him manage in similar style to his on field genius……..a massive difficulty will be persuading St Johnstone so it’s a non starter…….but……….



Post Edited (Wed 11 May 06:18)


This would also. fit in well with the seaside league. Players could just chill out with a few joints and a red stripe of a half time break like being at the beach and relax just like he does on the pitch.




And if we appoint a Scottish manager they can have some haggis and whisky at half time aye?


??? Don`t think the comment was anything to do with nationality. Ambrose is Nigerian rather than Jamaican!
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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Wed 11 May 11:45

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jake89, Wed 11 May 11:19

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Grant, Wed 11 May 08:41

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Parsfangaz, Wed 11 May 08:32

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DunPar, Wed 11 May 06:15

Can’t believe no one has suggested Efe Ambrose as player/manager.……he’s still got it as a player…..makes sense to build team round him and let him manage in similar style to his on field genius……..a massive difficulty will be persuading St Johnstone so it’s a non starter…….but……….



Post Edited (Wed 11 May 06:18)


This would also. fit in well with the seaside league. Players could just chill out with a few joints and a red stripe of a half time break like being at the beach and relax just like he does on the pitch.




And if we appoint a Scottish manager they can have some haggis and whisky at half time aye?


??? Don`t think the comment was anything to do with nationality. Ambrose is Nigerian rather than Jamaican!


Which is what makes the comment so odd.

You reckon if we were talking about Chalmers or Polworth we'd be making up stereotypes to fit there look? Would we say that Chalmers and Polworth have a joint, some red stripe and chill on a beach?

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Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Wed 11 May 11:48

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jake89, Wed 11 May 11:19

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Grant, Wed 11 May 08:41

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Parsfangaz, Wed 11 May 08:32

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DunPar, Wed 11 May 06:15

Can’t believe no one has suggested Efe Ambrose as player/manager.……he’s still got it as a player…..makes sense to build team round him and let him manage in similar style to his on field genius……..a massive difficulty will be persuading St Johnstone so it’s a non starter…….but……….



Post Edited (Wed 11 May 06:18)


This would also. fit in well with the seaside league. Players could just chill out with a few joints and a red stripe of a half time break like being at the beach and relax just like he does on the pitch.




And if we appoint a Scottish manager they can have some haggis and whisky at half time aye?


??? Don`t think the comment was anything to do with nationality. Ambrose is Nigerian rather than Jamaican!


Who says you need to be Jamaican to enjoy a few joints and a can oh red stripe?

Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 11 May 12:17

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back oh the net, Wed 11 May 11:48

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jake89, Wed 11 May 11:19

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Grant, Wed 11 May 08:41

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Parsfangaz, Wed 11 May 08:32

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DunPar, Wed 11 May 06:15

Can’t believe no one has suggested Efe Ambrose as player/manager.……he’s still got it as a player…..makes sense to build team round him and let him manage in similar style to his on field genius……..a massive difficulty will be persuading St Johnstone so it’s a non starter…….but……….



Post Edited (Wed 11 May 06:18)


This would also. fit in well with the seaside league. Players could just chill out with a few joints and a red stripe of a half time break like being at the beach and relax just like he does on the pitch.




And if we appoint a Scottish manager they can have some haggis and whisky at half time aye?


??? Don`t think the comment was anything to do with nationality. Ambrose is Nigerian rather than Jamaican!


Who says you need to be Jamaican to enjoy a few joints and a can oh red stripe?


That`s my point. I don`t think the comment related to nationality, though it was an odd comment in the first place.
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Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Wed 11 May 13:34

This would also. fit in well with the seaside league. Players could just chill out with a few joints and a red stripe of a half time break like being at the beach and relax just like he does on the pitch.

That`s a howler of a comment with, frankly, racist undertones. Probably unintentionally racist, but racist none the less. It should be removed.

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Wed 11 May 13:57

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Bandy, Wed 11 May 13:34

This would also. fit in well with the seaside league. Players could just chill out with a few joints and a red stripe of a half time break like being at the beach and relax just like he does on the pitch.

That`s a howler of a comment with, frankly, racist undertones. Probably unintentionally racist, but racist none the less. It should be removed.


Yep my initial thought was it was a comment based on race. Although he is Nigerian not Jamaican
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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz  
Date:   Wed 11 May 14:00

[Post Deleted] - Deliberately provoking fellow DAFC.net poster(s)
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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz  
Date:   Wed 11 May 14:05

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Parsfangaz, Wed 11 May 14:00

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Bandy, Wed 11 May 13:34

This would also. fit in well with the seaside league. Players could just chill out with a few joints and a red stripe of a half time break like being at the beach and relax just like he does on the pitch.

That`s a howler of a comment with, frankly, racist undertones. Probably unintentionally racist, but racist none the less. It should be removed.


Your the howler 🤣 against which nationality ? Who mentioned race, creed or colour. To be racist you need to actually mention something to be racist against.

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Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Wed 11 May 17:48

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Parsfangaz, Wed 11 May 08:32

Quote:

DunPar, Wed 11 May 06:15

Can’t believe no one has suggested Efe Ambrose as player/manager.……he’s still got it as a player…..makes sense to build team round him and let him manage in similar style to his on field genius……..a massive difficulty will be persuading St Johnstone so it’s a non starter…….but……….



Post Edited (Wed 11 May 06:18)


This would also. fit in well with the seaside league. Players could just chill out with a few joints and a red stripe of a half time break like being at the beach and relax just like he does on the pitch.


A heard he prefers tennents super instead oh red stripe

Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Thu 12 May 10:07

Parsfangaz

This isn’t the best place to discuss what does, and doesn’t, constitute racism. But trust me, that post is racist. As I said, it’s almost certainly unitentional. But racism doesn’t need intent.

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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz  
Date:   Thu 12 May 10:23

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Bandy, Thu 12 May 10:07

Parsfangaz

This isn’t the best place to discuss what does, and doesn’t, constitute racism. But trust me, that post is racist. As I said, it’s almost certainly unitentional. But racism doesn’t need intent.


Have a nice day.
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Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Thu 12 May 11:59

Thanks bud. You too.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Ianoappar  
Date:   Sat 14 May 15:12

Just read this on pie and bovril site apparently heard from staff in the club office
that Hughes is staying.

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Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74  
Date:   Sat 14 May 15:40

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Ianoappar, Sat 14 May 15:12

Just read this on pie and bovril site apparently heard from staff in the club office
that Hughes is staying.


Good. Deserves a chance to build his own swift with new coaching staff.
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Topic Originator: The Boss  
Date:   Sat 14 May 15:43

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Ianoappar, Sat 14 May 15:12

Just read this on pie and bovril site apparently heard from staff in the club office
that Hughes is staying.



Sacked by Christmas then? Can’t wait!

I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74  
Date:   Sat 14 May 15:59

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The Boss, Sat 14 May 15:43

Quote:

Ianoappar, Sat 14 May 15:12

Just read this on pie and bovril site apparently heard from staff in the club office
that Hughes is staying.



Sacked by Christmas then? Can’t wait!


Maybe, Maybe not.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Sat 14 May 16:00

Pie and Bovril is less trustworthy than .net and that is saying something
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Topic Originator: dave67  
Date:   Sat 14 May 16:08

Topic Originator: Ianoappar   
Date:   Sat 14 May 15:12

Just read this on pie and bovril site apparently heard from staff in the club office
that Hughes is staying.

I doubt they heard it from staff in shop.

But he does still have 12 months left on his contract which is common knowledge

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Topic Originator: kba  
Date:   Sat 14 May 16:14

Directors car park open with a few cars in it today, normally no business on a sat when no games.
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Topic Originator: GG4  
Date:   Sat 14 May 16:39

I`d back a Kevin Thomson and Super Jo combo.

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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par  
Date:   Sat 14 May 16:56

That’s 3 season tickets that won’t be renewed. Hughes should be gone, disgusted he is remaining.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks  
Date:   Sat 14 May 17:08

Bannockburn Par wrote:

> That’s 3 season tickets that won’t be renewed. Hughes
> should be gone, disgusted he is remaining.

It shouldn`t be up for debate, but the reason that so many made their feelings known was because they feared the board would choose the cheap option, if they decide to keep him on, it`s just another example of them being out of touch and being unable to read the room.
With that I`d need to see a change in the style before I`d be back because what was served up last season doesn`t motivate me to sacrifice work or family this time round.

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Topic Originator: theparsman1885  
Date:   Sat 14 May 17:09

Calm yer jets until there’s an actual announcement. 😂

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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Sat 14 May 17:19

The board can`t just sack every manager that the fans decide oh we don`t like him
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks  
Date:   Sat 14 May 17:22

dafc-chris1 wrote:

> The board can`t just sack every manager that the fans decide oh
> we don`t like him

Probably something to do with playing in League One next season maybe what do you think ?

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Topic Originator: ParfectXI  
Date:   Sat 14 May 17:46

Found this article earlier. It confirms quite a lot of what was suspected and going by some of his recent interviews he ain’t changed!!

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/15293711.neil-cameron-scottish-football-going-hire-john-hughes-now/


Cannae do the links sorry

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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Sat 14 May 18:10

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ParfectXI, Sat 14 May 17:46

Found this article earlier. It confirms quite a lot of what was suspected and going by some of his recent interviews he ain’t changed!!

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/15293711.neil-cameron-scottish-football-going-hire-john-hughes-now/


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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 14 May 18:24

Correct me if I`m wrong but I don`t think he has criticised the Pars` players - certainly not in public.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Sat 14 May 18:48

You have to accept that a poorly performing club is not just down to one individual. I do have to say that JH wouldn`t have been my first choice. I think the whole thing with Raith Rovers was regrettable. Respect is only something that you lose and its very difficult to get back. That being said, maybe he felt some justification in his behaviour, but there are ways of doing things. Players don`t have to like you but they should respect you. Management is about getting the best out of people and working out how best to achieve that. Very few respond to being ridiculed or shouted at. Its about positive messages, providing support and building confidence and committment. Its only a game at the end of the day so you have to approach it in that light.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 14 May 19:50

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Ianoappar, Sat 14 May 15:12

Just read this on pie and bovril site apparently heard from staff in the club office
that Hughes is staying.


This is up there with "a pal of pal`s dug told ma dug, who told me..." 🤔



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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: CrossPar  
Date:   Sat 14 May 20:53

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wee eck, Sat 14 May 18:24

Correct me if I`m wrong but I don`t think he has criticised the Pars` players - certainly not in public.


Maybe he learned the error of his ways in that respect. Doesn`t change the fact that he was still rotten though.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 14 May 22:32

So why bring up something that happened 5 years ago that he hasn`t repeated and has no bearing on his time with us?

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: DNCH  
Date:   Sun 15 May 02:33

I didn`t love the appointment of Yogi when it happened. It reeked of a floundering decision making process.

Having digested relegation for a week now, I`m of the mindset that whilst the board were asleep at the wheel, every feasible thing that could`ve gone wrong, went wrong. Dom Thomas was`t fancied by either manager so there may have been something going on with him behind the scenes, we got ravaged by Covid early season, we had a player claim he was unwell and was actually on holiday (another bad character? Reminds me of people like Scott Thompson during the Stephen Kenny era), we had a major signing declare home sickness and leave half way through the season, same thing with our starting goalkeeper, we had a squad overhaul from the previous year of like 75% of the first team.

Early season optimism was justified (I got swept up in it too when I heard Grant speak about his plans for us) but we were mired in chaos from the get go. League 1 is bad for business but I don`t think a reset will be.

I`d struggle to think of a more experienced person we could get for League 1 than Yogi so I`m willing to back him. If we don`t we`ll be on our 4th manager in 12 months and that`s getting into St. Mirren territory.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Sun 15 May 07:54

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DNCH, Sun 15 May 02:33

I didn`t love the appointment of Yogi when it happened. It reeked of a floundering decision making process.

Having digested relegation for a week now, I`m of the mindset that whilst the board were asleep at the wheel, every feasible thing that could`ve gone wrong, went wrong. Dom Thomas was`t fancied by either manager so there may have been something going on with him behind the scenes, we got ravaged by Covid early season, we had a player claim he was unwell and was actually on holiday (another bad character? Reminds me of people like Scott Thompson during the Stephen Kenny era), we had a major signing declare home sickness and leave half way through the season, same thing with our starting goalkeeper, we had a squad overhaul from the previous year of like 75% of the first team.

Early season optimism was justified (I got swept up in it too when I heard Grant speak about his plans for us) but we were mired in chaos from the get go. League 1 is bad for business but I don`t think a reset will be.

I`d struggle to think of a more experienced person we could get for League 1 than Yogi so I`m willing to back him. If we don`t we`ll be on our 4th manager in 12 months and that`s getting into St. Mirren territory.


Yes stability at this stage with some continuity probably at this stage swings things in JHs favour.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Angus_W  
Date:   Sun 15 May 08:15

DNCH………

I agree with your analysis of the situation.

JH has been a success at other clubs, that doesn’t disappear overnight. We need to start making some smart choices and IMO ditching JH would be a another mistake.

We have youth in Todd, McCann & Allan. Build a hungry young team round this core.

It worked 50 years ago 1972-73 no reason why it can’t work again.

“.........your on mute Jordan” 😀
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Sun 15 May 08:18

"we had a major signing declare home sickness and leave half way through the season, same thing with our starting goalkeeper,"

No we didn`t - Gaspuitis was dropped because of a nonsensical reason then when he left the club claimed it was to do with that but the player himself said it was due to lack of game time. For Williams didn`t leave to go home to Wales either, he wasn`t getting games and then had an opportunity to go to the States.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Sun 15 May 09:02

We can have all these discussions regarding our past few failed manager and blame various players for their actions. The bottom line is the board appointed a succession of managers who were essentially failures. Crawford sacked at East fife , Grant relegates Alloa and gets the job , Yogi relegates the wee team and gets job. doesn,t show a great deal of ambition by our B.O.D. We need to retreat from these backward thinking appointments , keeping Hughes isn,t going to change matters it will be the same pedestrian one up front style that got us where we are at the moment

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 15 May 09:35

If we restricted our choice of manager to those who had never been sacked we we would have very limited options. In the case of Hughes maybe the board put more weight on his recent success in keeping Ross Co in the Premiership than his experience at Raith five years ago.

On the subject of falling out with players is this not inevitable when a new manager comes in? It would be strange if he didn`t favour certain players at the expense of others who had been part of a failing side, wouldn`t it? OFW actually came in for quite a bit of criticism on here as I recall.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: CrossPar  
Date:   Sun 15 May 10:26

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DNCH, Sun 15 May 02:33

I`d struggle to think of a more experienced person we could get for League 1 than Yogi so I`m willing to back him. If we don`t we`ll be on our 4th manager in 12 months and that`s getting into St. Mirren territory.


That will be the St Mirren that are in the SPL?
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: The Boss  
Date:   Sun 15 May 10:35

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CrossPar, Sun 15 May 10:26

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DNCH, Sun 15 May 02:33

I`d struggle to think of a more experienced person we could get for League 1 than Yogi so I`m willing to back him. If we don`t we`ll be on our 4th manager in 12 months and that`s getting into St. Mirren territory.


That will be the St Mirren that are in the SPL?



Exactly!

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: theparsman1885  
Date:   Sun 15 May 11:31

St Mirrens last few managers v ours in same timescales -

Jack Ross - successful, acquired by Sunderland
Alan Stubbs - disaster, board reacted quickly and sacked him
Oran Kearney - not spectacular, saved them via playoffs, got homesick, left
Jim Goodwin - successful, acquired by Aberdeen
Stephen Robinson - fairly universally seen as a decent manager and will be given next season


Us
Allan Johnston - successful in league 1, limited but some success in Championship, disastrous final season - sacked
Stevie Crawford - up and down, lots of turgid football, some successes, decided to resign after several poor runs of form
Peter Grant - didn’t win a single league game. Sacked.
John Hughes - had a full window, didn’t use it effectively enough, whimpering form at the end saw us relegated by a team who two years ago were unpaid amateurs.



I’ll take the St Mirren model please.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sun 15 May 11:54

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gordi-b, Sun 15 May 09:02

We can have all these discussions regarding our past few failed manager and blame various players for their actions. The bottom line is the board appointed a succession of managers who were essentially failures. Crawford sacked at East fife , Grant relegates Alloa and gets the job , Yogi relegates the wee team and gets job. doesn,t show a great deal of ambition by our B.O.D. We need to retreat from these backward thinking appointments , keeping Hughes isn,t going to change matters it will be the same pedestrian one up front style that got us where we are at the moment



Gordi, how do you know it will be the same pedestrian one up front style ? Has he always played this way at all of the clubs he’s been at ?
If he is staying, might he not address that in the summer by acquiring a different type of striker or two ?




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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: AlterPar  
Date:   Sun 15 May 12:03

I don’t think I’d want to join us if I were a striker. We signed 3 of the best in the championship from the year before and played 1 up top for most of the season. Froze out one of them and sent another on loan. Tactics!
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 15 May 12:19

I`m pretty sure John Hughes` appointment was approved by the majority of fans on here at the time apart from a few dissenting voices. It was generally agreed we needed an experienced manager to tackle a desperate situation and, when John Robertson effectively ruled himself out, Yogi was seen as the obvious choice. Hindsight always has 20/20 vision though.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 15 May 12:44

Wighton Todorov O`Hara Dow Thomas Kennedy Lawless

Some laugh being the joint lowest scorers in the league with those players at your disposal.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks  
Date:   Sun 15 May 13:32

da_no_1 wrote:

> Wighton Todorov O`Hara Dow Thomas Kennedy Lawless
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> Some laugh being the joint lowest scorers in the league with
> those players at your disposal.
>
>

If we could hang on to as many of the "strikers" as possible we`ll be doing well, you won`t recruit any better for League 1 imo.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 15 May 13:39

All competing for one shirt!!!

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks  
Date:   Sun 15 May 13:49

wee eck wrote:

> All competing for one shirt!!!
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>

Imagine !

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Sun 15 May 14:17

Wee eck I was happy with yogi at the time as it was who was available and he had done okay at county etc.

Then you gave him the benefit of the doubt when the team was set up to try and get a point on the board every game. Then you got fed up watching us trying to grind instead of trying to play football despite yogi bringing in a whole new midfield and 7 players. Persisting with McCann up front despite it clearly not working then asking o’hara to do the job of 2 strikers.

Then you were suprised that despite bringing in those players we still never really looking like scoring and every was very negative tactically and hoping to 0-0 our way up the league.

Then the playoffs where to be honest we rarely looked like scoring and we’re not even set up to have a go. He’s killed the goodwill from me, I saw nothing last season to suggest yogi can get the pars playing good attractive football and playing on the front foot.

The man paid good money for chalmers for gods sake. They guy can’t play positive attacking football. This for me signals his intent for us.

Things will be looking up……..now yogi is gone!

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 15 May 14:21

All that`s with hindsight though. I was questioning those who are now criticising the board for making a bad appointment.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Sun 15 May 14:26

Yeah fair enough I guess. I can only assume yogi and the board talked about his ‘style’ of football and how he wanted us to play etc prior to appointing him. I would be happy for yogi to stay if the product on the park and almost all his signing so far were not dross but here we are.

Mind you I bet he’s telling the board now how attractive and free scoring we will be next season….

Things will be looking up……..now yogi is gone!

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Sun 15 May 15:04

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wee eck, Sun 15 May 12:19

I`m pretty sure John Hughes` appointment was approved by the majority of fans on here at the time apart from a few dissenting voices. It was generally agreed we needed an experienced manager to tackle a desperate situation and, when John Robertson effectively ruled himself out, Yogi was seen as the obvious choice. Hindsight always has 20/20 vision though.


For some fans however Hughes failing hasn`t been a shock.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: ParfectXI  
Date:   Sun 15 May 15:08

I read a lot of complaints about having one man up front. I don’t honestly think that was the issue. The issue was whenever the ball came forward Ohara was either on the wings or had come back. All to often he wasn’t in a position to take a shot. We needed a striker that was going to stay central on the shoulder of the last man ready for the ball to come into the box. But then Ohara was told we don’t play a poacher striker game and then of course he didn’t like Todorov or Wighton so refused to play them and McCann was a better attacking midfielder than a striker since he’s better battling for the ball than a finisher. So when he did take off Ohara it was for McCann which basically left us with no striker.


There are far too many fundamental issues with Hughes that show he’s not changed from his time relegating Raith and I worry about our season if he’s still involved.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Parfect69  
Date:   Sun 15 May 19:58

A big part of the problem was our 2 central midfielders never ventured over the half way line. Too scared to concede and support the lone striker!! I don’t think i can remember in open play having more than 1 person in the box to receive a pass/cross.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 15 May 20:32

`For some fans however Hughes failing hasn`t been a shock.`

That`s why I said `I`m pretty sure John Hughes` appointment was approved by the majority of fans on here at the time apart from a few dissenting voices.`

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Sun 15 May 21:28

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wee eck, Sun 15 May 20:32

`For some fans however Hughes failing hasn`t been a shock.`

That`s why I said `I`m pretty sure John Hughes` appointment was approved by the majority of fans on here at the time apart from a few dissenting voices.`


After it become quite clear that Grant wasn`t up to the job I`m sure the majority of fan`s would have welcomed Tam Forsyth back
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Zimbo  
Date:   Mon 16 May 09:53

Unlikely. Forsyth passed away two years ago.
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Mon 16 May 14:17

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Zimbo, Mon 16 May 09:53

Unlikely. Forsyth passed away two years ago.


That`s still an upgrade on what we have had in the dugout this season
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Mon 16 May 16:36

The `one up top` argument doesn`t sit well with me. The vast majority of teams play in this style, or a variant of it, now. One focal point of the attack, then three players behind, which is what Hughes tried to play - 1 up top (O`Hara or McCann) and three behind (lawless, dow, DT, Polworth, dorrans etc..). I don`t think tactically there`s anything particularly amiss there - I just don`t think the players played well enough.

That`s still on the manager, but, personally, I don`t think the tactics were to blame.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Mon 16 May 17:13

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Bandy, Mon 16 May 16:36

The `one up top` argument doesn`t sit well with me. The vast majority of teams play in this style, or a variant of it, now. One focal point of the attack, then three players behind, which is what Hughes tried to play - 1 up top (O`Hara or McCann) and three behind (lawless, dow, DT, Polworth, dorrans etc..). I don`t think tactically there`s anything particularly amiss there - I just don`t think the players played well enough.

That`s still on the manager, but, personally, I don`t think the tactics were to blame.


I agree, Bandy. Nothing wrong with playing one up IF the three behind are willing to get into the box. Sadly, other than Thomas, we didn’t
It’s still on the manager to play a system for the players you have not the other way around




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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Pokitren  
Date:   Wed 18 May 07:42

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: Pokitren  
Date:   Wed 18 May 07:42

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>
> Found this article earlier. It confirms quite a lot of what was suspected and going by some of his recent interviews he ain’t changed!!

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/15293711.neil-cameron-scottish-football-going-hire-john-hughes-now/betpokies


Cannae do the links sorry



And don`t expect any changes from it. They will not happen, the man is not at that age and does not have the necessary understanding for that.

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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: PARadise  
Date:   Wed 18 May 10:10

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Bandy, Mon 16 May 16:36

The `one up top` argument doesn`t sit well with me. The vast majority of teams play in this style, or a variant of it, now. One focal point of the attack, then three players behind, which is what Hughes tried to play - 1 up top (O`Hara or McCann) and three behind (lawless, dow, DT, Polworth, dorrans etc..). I don`t think tactically there`s anything particularly amiss there - I just don`t think the players played well enough.

That`s still on the manager, but, personally, I don`t think the tactics were to blame.


I agree, just a side note of you naming the players supporting the 1 up top i.e DT, Polworth, Lawless, Dorrans.

This adds to the need for a clear out for me because on paper those players should be top end championship/bottom prem and the product they served up was awful, which suggests to me that there was maybe an air of inevitability that we were going down. Sometimes I think the writings on the wall to an extent and there’s not much a manager can do to affect it. Don’t get me wrong Yogi relegated us it’s very much down to him with his team selection and tactics but that dressing room stunk…
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 Re: New manager
Topic Originator: DJAS  
Date:   Wed 18 May 10:31

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Raymie the Legend, Mon 16 May 17:13

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Bandy, Mon 16 May 16:36

The `one up top` argument doesn`t sit well with me. The vast majority of teams play in this style, or a variant of it, now. One focal point of the attack, then three players behind, which is what Hughes tried to play - 1 up top (O`Hara or McCann) and three behind (lawless, dow, DT, Polworth, dorrans etc..). I don`t think tactically there`s anything particularly amiss there - I just don`t think the players played well enough.

That`s still on the manager, but, personally, I don`t think the tactics were to blame.


I agree, Bandy. Nothing wrong with playing one up IF the three behind are willing to get into the box. Sadly, other than Thomas, we didn’t
It’s still on the manager to play a system for the players you have not the other way around


That`s my issue. Not the formation but our inability to see we didn`t have the players to do it





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