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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Thu 19 May 17:03
As title says, however it states that he walked away..
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Topic Originator: hudza
Date: Thu 19 May 17:05
Thank Christ for that
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 19 May 17:06
Probably the right decision for him tbh. He`d be concerned about the review and changes and probably more chance of a job if he leaves now rather than in a couple of months when a review may conclude.
Now, let`s see who applies for the post.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 19 May 17:07
Right decision. Failed to keep us up. Alienated fans who said they wouldn`t be back until he was gone.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: yorkiepar
Date: Thu 19 May 17:08
Don`t blame him in the slightest. Whoever succeeds him has got a nightmare scenario on their hands. I`ve written off next season already. It`s going to be a total rebuilding job for the "lucky" applicant.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 19 May 17:08
Quote:
yorkiepar, Thu 19 May 17:08
Don`t blame him in the slightest. Whoever succeeds him has got a nightmare scenario on their hands. I`ve written off next season already. It`s going to be a total rebuilding job for the "lucky" applicant.
They said that about Celtic
It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: yorkiepar
Date: Thu 19 May 17:11
Haha, Raymie. So they did. Stick a note in your diary to remind me of this post a year from now đ
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 19 May 17:12
TF
buffysbuns.wordpress.com
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Thu 19 May 17:14
Hughes is away but who is available?
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 19 May 17:15
Kevin Thomson could well apply ?
Probably the same guys as six months ago too ?
It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Thu 19 May 17:18
Statement from CEO, search for replacement well underway, so this has been on the card for a while. Hopefully things will take shape shortly and get the fans back on side.
link
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Topic Originator: yorkiepar
Date: Thu 19 May 17:19
Oh no. Here we go. Petrie, Campbell(s), etc., etc.
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Topic Originator: Dafc1996
Date: Thu 19 May 17:19
Probably told to leave on his own terms and has his wallet lined with cash rather than be sacked and walk away with cash un his pocket and not have been sacked on his cv. Either way he will be paid off and went quietly
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 19 May 17:23
Not really our place to speculate, DAFC1996 ~ thatâs between the club and JH.
Imo
buffysbuns.wordpress.com
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Topic Originator: cfad
Date: Thu 19 May 17:29
Really hope whoever is next on our managerial merry go round stays for a while, itâs gonna take some time to build us back up again and without some longer term consistency weâre going to get nowhere
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Thu 19 May 17:31
Quote:
cfad, Thu 19 May 17:29
Really hope whoever is next on our managerial merry go round stays for a while, itâs gonna take some time to build us back up again and without some longer term consistency weâre going to get nowhere
Will you be saying the same thing if we finish up in the bottom half of league 1 next season?
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Thu 19 May 17:32
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Thu 19 May 17:15
Kevin Thomson could well apply ?
Probably the same guys as six months ago too ?
Kevin Thomson wanted the job before Peter grant got it. Hopefully heâs still interested.
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Topic Originator: davepars
Date: Thu 19 May 17:40
Hope we dont headhunt the manager of the relegated team from our division........
Oh, wait a sec.....
Post Edited (Thu 19 May 17:41)
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Topic Originator: Dafc_1885
Date: Thu 19 May 17:41
A few decent managers available just know all depends on who wants to drop down the league`s
Jack Ross - may feel his stock has fallen and a good spell here may change that
Tommy Wright - did well at St Johnstone and maybe unlucky to be sacked by Killie
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Topic Originator: bannerpar
Date: Thu 19 May 17:43
DC says that the search is already well underway and we will be interviewing preferred candidates shortly. Clearly the board have drawn up a short list of candidates rather than inviting applications.
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Thu 19 May 17:58
Ian Murray is in for talks this evening!
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Topic Originator: Lambo1885
Date: Thu 19 May 18:08
Quote:
AlterPar, Thu 19 May 17:58
Ian Murray is in for talks this evening!
I`d be happy with that.
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Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74
Date: Thu 19 May 18:17
Quote:
AlterPar, Thu 19 May 17:58
Ian Murray is in for talks this evening!
No he isnât! Ian Murray is in the Lake District as my mate seen him at Center Parcs yesterday. Heâs going to Fleetwood to look at the training ground this week.
More .net nonsense
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Thu 19 May 18:20
Fair play to the man. He tried his best, it didnât work so he left voluntarily by the sound of things so heâll always be welcome back imo.
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Thu 19 May 18:21
Quote:
AlterPar, Thu 19 May 17:58
Ian Murray is in for talks this evening!
Ha ;) Just thought Iâd contribute! You seem to know quite a lot Mr Andrew!
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Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74
Date: Thu 19 May 18:28
Quote:
AlterPar, Thu 19 May 18:21
Quote:
AlterPar, Thu 19 May 17:58
Ian Murray is in for talks this evening!
Ha ;) Just thought Iâd contribute! You seem to know quite a lot Mr Andrew!
Not saying heâd be a bad appointment just exactly what I said about my mate bumping into him and his familyâŠ.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 19 May 18:28
Why do people punt âinformationâ which is pure mince ?
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Topic Originator: Dafc1996
Date: Thu 19 May 18:29
All due respect buffy this place is full of speculations, rumours and bs, but if u think with a year left he walked away empty handed, well speculations or not, its not football anymore its all about cash there`s no loyalty anymore, just another disillusioned pars fan.
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Topic Originator: rikaka
Date: Thu 19 May 18:29
For an ego boost
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Topic Originator: halbe
Date: Thu 19 May 18:40
Re: Hughes is gone
Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 19 May 17:12
TF
buffysbuns.wordpress.com
Almost choked on my dinner with that response...
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Topic Originator: Gregshawsgranny
Date: Thu 19 May 18:46
Heard it here first - Brian Rice
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 19 May 18:50
Rice would be familiar with the first division but what sort of job has he done at Alloa? They finished fifth. Seems disappointing but was there a big clear out when they got relegated?
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Topic Originator: Gregshawsgranny
Date: Thu 19 May 19:00
Not saying I want him. Just think itâs the kind of uninspiring choice we would go for
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Topic Originator: arpar
Date: Thu 19 May 19:05
Quote:
jake89, Thu 19 May 18:50
Rice would be familiar with the first division but what sort of job has he done at Alloa? They finished fifth. Seems disappointing but was there a big clear out when they got relegated?
He only took the job end of February and just signed an extension.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Thu 19 May 19:28
Perhaps we should be looking at someone with an established track record, and not go for a budget solution. Homework should be done and we should check their CV! Perhaps Jack Ross could be considered.
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Thu 19 May 19:28
Penny dropped for Hughes, glad he is gone. Letâs hope we get this appointment right.
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Topic Originator: BA
Date: Thu 19 May 19:46
Concerning how they make reference to wanting to appoint âcoaching staffâ instead of saying something like a âmanagement teamâ - sounds like they want coaches to do as Meggle says whilst heâs at the wheel !!
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Thu 19 May 19:50
Hughes killed his chances of staying on by setting the team up far too negatively and signing players to play that way. He had to go and can have no complaints. Had he set us up to have a go and we still went down then fair enough he would have got some protection from it being grants team but he didnât, he alienated some good players and signed chalmers and efe who are dross. He did this to himself.
I can hack the new guy bringing in younger players and some experienced proâs and trying to build a team but finishing mid table next season so long as thereâs a team on the park prepared to work their socks off and are set up to at least try to win and score goals.
Things will be looking upâŠâŠ..now yogi is gone!
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Topic Originator: Gadgie59
Date: Thu 19 May 19:59
When JH arrived he had a massive opportunity to do something special. The results, sadly, show that he massively underachieved. So leaving is the right choice.
The manager job at DAFC is still a massive opportunity, anyone fortunate enough to be in the frame should see it that way. Anyone who doesnât shouldnât be let through the door.
âFootball is a beautiful game,
It should be played beautifully.â
Brian Clough.
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Topic Originator: BA
Date: Thu 19 May 20:04
Re: Hughes is gone
Topic Originator: Berkey like
Date: Thu 19 May 19:50
Hughes killed his chances of staying on by setting the team up far too negatively and signing players to play that way. He had to go and can have no complaints. Had he set us up to have a go and we still went down then fair enough he would have got some protection from it being grants team but he didnât, he alienated some good players and signed chalmers and efe who are dross. He did this to himself.
I can hack the new guy bringing in younger players and some experienced proâs and trying to build a team but finishing mid table next season so long as thereâs a team on the park prepared to work their socks off and are set up to at least try to win and score goals.
I cringe at these âI donât care as long as the team works hardâ posts. Donât lie - if the team worked their socks off and lost most/all games youâd still go home crabbit! Embarrassing talk!
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Thu 19 May 20:16
Saw a bunnet flying over EEP
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Thu 19 May 20:29
I hope we appoint a manager and not a head coach. That would imply Meggle is really calling the shots and encroaching on what would typically be a managers duties.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Thu 19 May 20:35
Did they not literally confirm, a week ago, that Meggle would be more hands on?
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Thu 19 May 21:09
I have a sneaky suspicion that Meggle has been undermining the manager since he arrived.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Thu 19 May 21:11
I`m fine with a head coach if it works
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Topic Originator: Par-timer
Date: Thu 19 May 21:52
JH should leave with his head held relatively high, coming in at a time when the atmosphere was toxic and uniting the team and supporters for the run-in. Sadly, too many of our rivals also rallied in the second half of the season, and injuries to key players, too many midfield players being off-form simultaneously and an unnecessary red card in the final game resulted in relegation, despite the overall improvement on the pitch. Thanks to JH and good luck in your next job.
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Thu 19 May 22:11
Can see Tommy Wright being considered. Not sure if it`s a good thing or not.
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 19 May 22:14
Quote:
Par-timer, Thu 19 May 21:52
JH should leave with his head held relatively high, coming in at a time when the atmosphere was toxic and uniting the team and supporters for the run-in. Sadly, too many of our rivals also rallied in the second half of the season, and injuries to key players, too many midfield players being off-form simultaneously and an unnecessary red card in the final game resulted in relegation, despite the overall improvement on the pitch. Thanks to JH and good luck in your next job.
Don`t talk sense!
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Topic Originator: BA
Date: Thu 19 May 22:22
I heard from a source Yogi wasnât massively impressed with our club and how it was run, I think heâll be alright about leaving.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Thu 19 May 22:24
Quote:
Par-timer, Thu 19 May 21:52
JH should leave with his head held relatively high, coming in at a time when the atmosphere was toxic and uniting the team and supporters for the run-in. Sadly, too many of our rivals also rallied in the second half of the season, and injuries to key players, too many midfield players being off-form simultaneously and an unnecessary red card in the final game resulted in relegation, despite the overall improvement on the pitch. Thanks to JH and good luck in your next job.
I think we finished a better team than when he took over.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 19 May 22:32
Quote:
BA, Thu 19 May 22:22
I heard from a source Yogi wasnât massively impressed with our club and how it was run, I think heâll be alright about leaving.
Did ye aye?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: BA
Date: Thu 19 May 22:38
Re: Hughes is gone
Posted from the Android app Topic Originator: da_no_1 like
Date: Thu 19 May 22:32
Quote:
BA, Thu 19 May 22:22
I heard from a source Yogi wasnât massively impressed with our club and how it was run, I think heâll be alright about leaving.
Did ye aye?
Aye. And I donât disagree with what heâs said.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 19 May 22:39
Quote:
BA, Thu 19 May 22:38
Re: Hughes is gone
Posted from the Android app Topic Originator: da_no_1 like
Date: Thu 19 May 22:32
Quote:
BA, Thu 19 May 22:22
I heard from a source Yogi wasnât massively impressed with our club and how it was run, I think heâll be alright about leaving.
Did ye aye?
Aye. And I donât disagree with what heâs said.
What did he say?
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Thu 19 May 23:09
The guy was serenaded with chants of "Dirty Falkirk ba****d" at full time and headed straight for the tunnel, there was no way he was coming back from that.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 20 May 00:03
Quote:
BA, Thu 19 May 22:38
Re: Hughes is gone
Posted from the Android app Topic Originator: da_no_1 like
Date: Thu 19 May 22:32
Quote:
BA, Thu 19 May 22:22
I heard from a source Yogi wasnât massively impressed with our club and how it was run, I think heâll be alright about leaving.
Did ye aye?
Aye. And I donât disagree with what heâs said.
Ok John. Aw the best!
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 20 May 07:03
Quote:
yorkiepar, Thu 19 May 17:08
Don`t blame him in the slightest. Whoever succeeds him has got a nightmare scenario on their hands. I`ve written off next season already. It`s going to be a total rebuilding job for the "lucky" applicant.
I can`t agree with your pessimistic outlook, Yorkie. Last season was a complete disaster from beginning to end. Two managers - neither of whom worked out. Too many players who didn`t perform well enough to avoid relegation when our pre-season target was promotion. Has to be a candidate for the most disappointing season ever in that context.
Next season, we`ll be in League 1, with a new manager and many new players. The Board`s choice to succeed the dinosaur who`s just departed is crucial. We need a manager with good man management skills and some tactical acumen wouldn`t go amiss either. Oh and we don`t want a team stuffed with too many loan players. Give me a team of lads who feel a sense of pride when they pull on a Pars top and give 100% for 90 mins.
Not your average Sunday League player.
Post Edited (Fri 20 May 07:04)
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Fri 20 May 07:55
Great Post GG, need to build a team with some character, I know that`s more difficult in the modern game given players move around from club to club so often but it`s still possible if the management team does their homework on the player and their personality.
We had a team during the season of players who were on paper `more than good enough for the championship` but in reality you never felt like there was great cohesion or fight throughout it. It`s a big task coming up for whoever comes in as manager but it`s more than achievable.
The recruitment strategy last summer under Grant felt really messy right from the start, there was no real pattern to the players he was bringing in and needlessly messing about with what was a decent defensive structure left in place by Crawford. Hopefully the board and Meggle will have learned from their mistakes over the past year and correct things from the off this time around.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Fri 20 May 07:57
sad still think he was best out all our options, good luck to him, probably prompted by the germans starting to dabble in football management
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Fri 20 May 08:05
Now that he`s gone, and it`s evident the board have been working behind the scenes to get this worked out and have started the process of getting another gaffer, the wait doesn`t seem to bad.
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Topic Originator: yorkiepar
Date: Fri 20 May 08:07
Something tells me you weren`t a huge fan of our departed manager, GG!
Based on our Club history I am taking a pragmatic view which is not particularly pessimistic. Yes, I welcome a new, dynamic manager - if such a thing exists - and, yes, I have been banging on for years that the model of having a few raw youngsters in a team stuffed with journeymen is not the way to go.
What we`re basically saying is that we`d like another Leishman era, but that was something of a one-off and I`m not sure that our loyal and notably patient supporters would nowadays entertain that.
We are, I feel, in a state of complete flux at the moment from the Board down.
I laugh when I read of the German "investors". They`ve bought control of DAFC for what, in footballing terms, is pocket money. And whilst there may be things going on in the background that none of us mere mortals know anything about, I have to say that I`m kind of disappointed like many others by their lack of public profile. Is this whole thing just some sort of wee toy to them which, one fears, they could get fed up with. If so, then what?
No, I think we`re in for a very long haul. None of the leagues is easy to get out of and we`re going to need a period of stabilisation combined with reconstruction which will, eventually, lead to progress.
But it `ain`t going to happen overnight IMHO.
Let` s prepare ourselves now for an extended life in the lower leagues, because that`s the future.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 20 May 08:25
Apologies if you`ve said elsewhere but who do you want, Grant?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 20 May 09:25
yorkiepar, Fri 20 May 08:07~#~Something tells me you weren`t a huge fan of our departed manager, GG!
I was reasonably pleased with Hughes coming in, but it all fell apart for me when he continued to play slow, cautious football, trying not to lose games, when we blatantly needed to win them.
The cherry on the cake was when a player came on late in a game, made a real impact by scoring and inspiring a comeback to win 3 pts when we looked like losing it. Next game he was disappointed not to get a start and he asked the manager why. Hughes allegedly replied "Because I pick the team so you can just eff off!"
Great man management, huh? I don`t have a problem with a manager not rating a player, but what`s the point in humiliating him? The man is obviously arrogant and stupid in the extreme, if you also factor in his public bollocking of the squad at Raith a few years back. He was a player who made the most of his limited talent, but other than the SC win with ICT, his coaching career hasn`t been outstanding.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Fri 20 May 12:08
Quote:
da_no_1, Fri 20 May 08:25
Apologies if you`ve said elsewhere but who do you want, Grant?
Not in order of preference, but I`ll like the unlikely ones first
Petrie - Don`t think he moves from part time though
Ross-Wouldn`t move to our level I don`t think, is still on a big contract at Hibs and turned down QP.
McIntyre - Has his own PT buisness apparently and is done with football apparently
Which leave two condiates who I think are viable, Thompson and Murray, both have there plus and negative points.
Kettlewell was in the reckoning before, wouldn`t be shocked if he threw his hat back in the ring.
Just please god, not McPake.
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Fri 20 May 12:26
Wouldnât be surprised to see a German Coach!
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Topic Originator: kba
Date: Fri 20 May 12:38
Van Der veen as head coach and Meggle as as director of football.
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Fri 20 May 14:30
This is the fourth time in the last few years Iâve looked at the suggested new manager shortlist and been entirely underwhelmed
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 20 May 14:46
I suspect that was Halbeâs bunnet after he saw his Rice Krispies again đ
Post Edited (Fri 20 May 14:49)
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Fri 20 May 14:47
Quote:
PARadise, Fri 20 May 14:30
This is the fourth time in the last few years Iâve looked at the suggested new manager shortlist and been entirely underwhelmed
There is no short list that we know about. Itâs all speculation.
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Fri 20 May 15:34
Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Thu 19 May 23:09
The guy was serenaded with chants of "Dirty Falkirk ba****d" at full time and headed straight for the tunnel, there was no way he was coming back from that.
Exactly, it was just a case of timing and agreeing a severance package, that was the end for him at The Pars.
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Topic Originator: BA
Date: Fri 20 May 17:27
Topic Originator: da_no_1 like
Date: Fri 20 May 00:03
Quote:
BA, Thu 19 May 22:38
Re: Hughes is gone
Posted from the Android app Topic Originator: da_no_1 like
Date: Thu 19 May 22:32
Quote:
BA, Thu 19 May 22:22
I heard from a source Yogi wasnât massively impressed with our club and how it was run, I think heâll be alright about leaving.
Did ye aye?
Aye. And I donât disagree with what heâs said.
Ok John. Aw the best!
Hope youâre planning on getting some new patter for the new season! đ„±
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Fri 20 May 17:41
Quote:
dd23, Fri 20 May 14:47
Quote:
PARadise, Fri 20 May 14:30
This is the fourth time in the last few years Iâve looked at the suggested new manager shortlist and been entirely underwhelmed
There is no short list that we know about. Itâs all speculation.
âSuggestedâ being the key word there
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 20 May 18:21
There`s a piece in the Courier by Alan Temple, who`s usually pretty clued-up about the Pars, explaining why Yogi had to go for the club to move on both on and off the field but the Courier is subscription-only so I can`t access it. Any subscribers on here?
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Fri 20 May 21:21
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 20 May 18:21
There`s a piece in the Courier by Alan Temple, who`s usually pretty clued-up about the Pars, explaining why Yogi had to go for the club to move on both on and off the field but the Courier is subscription-only so I can`t access it. Any subscribers on here?
LINK
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Fri 20 May 21:39
Type in 12ft ladder and copy and paste the link and it removes the paywall
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 21 May 06:53
It basically says he didn`t do well enough and that the fans wouldn`t be back with him in post. Suggests it wouldn`t have happened under Crawford and that Johnstone could be a good fit in the First Division, which will be hard with QOTS, Falkirk etc there.
Also suggests the board were supportive of his departure but concerned this will be our fourth manager in just over a year.
Positively about Cook`s role and wanting to improve things with fans (so getting rid of Hughes was quite important!).
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Topic Originator: KnebworthPar
Date: Sat 21 May 09:20
For the third time in the space of 12 months, Dunfermline are looking for a new manager.
Stevie Crawford; Peter Grant; John Hughes â all have exited East End Park during a miserable period at East End Park.
Hughesâ âresignationâ was confirmed on Thursday evening following lengthy discussions with the Pars hierarchy.
The news came 12 days after the Pars crashed down to League 1 following a playoff defeat against Queenâs Park.
A dejected Coll Donaldson at full-time after relegation was confirmed for Dunfermline.
A dejected Coll Donaldson at full-time after relegation was confirmed for Dunfermline.
And while his departure was anything but a formality following the drop, Courier Sport analyses why â considering the bigger picture â Dunfermline and Hughes had to go their separate ways.
John Hughes oversaw improvement â but ultimately failure
The former Falkirk and Hibs boss was brought in to salvage Dunfermlineâs Championship status.
He failed in that brief.
Hughesâ league record was an improvement on his predecessor Grant. A point worth noting, given he had to effectively build a new squad in the space of six weeks.
From the date of Hughesâ appointment, Dunfermline (28) picked up more points than Raith Rovers (27), Ayr United (27) and Queen of the South (22) in the Championship. Not stellar; certainly not a capitulation.
That does not lessen the ignominy of the Parsâ 1-0 playoff defeat against Queenâs Park â a simply unacceptable result over two legs.
Yet, it is not inconceivable that, in slightly different circumstances, Hughes could have been kept on.
Courier Sport understands that, during a recent board meeting, the point was made that the club cannot simply keep changing bosses. The next manager will be its fourth in the space of one year.
However, there was ultimately a majority consensus that Hughesâ resignation would be an acceptable outcome for all parties.
A new regime needs a new start
A changing of the guard was going to occur regardless of Dunfermlineâs league status.
It was hoped that a stable, fruitful transition from outgoing chairman Ross McArthur to new chief executive David Cook could occur with the club still in the Championship.
A more fraught summer now lies ahead.
New CEO: Cook
Nevertheless, the opportunity to cultivate a sense of excitement â of a much-needed fresh start â still remains.
And it would have been impossible to create the required separation from the disappointments of last season with the same man occupying the dugout.
Under Cook â and with the financial backing of German investors DAFC Fussball GmbH â Dunfermline can seek to enthuse a disillusioned fanbase with a positive appointment and craft a winning side in a lower league.
All of which is no given, it should be said.
With Falkirk, Queen of the South, Airdrie and Kelty Hearts in the division, League 1 is a shark tank next season.
Nevertheless, th
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Topic Originator: arpar
Date: Sat 21 May 09:59
It mentions Hughes bei g responsible for the low turnout at the playoff semi but that was firmly in the boards court.
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sat 21 May 10:53
The board really need to make the right move this time. Somebody with a relatively good track record at the very least.
But everyone we look at will still be a gamble so not easy.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 21 May 10:56
Quote:
Gaz3822, Sat 21 May 10:53
The board really need to make the right move this time. Somebody with a relatively good track record at the very least.
But everyone we look at will still be a gamble so not easy.
Who with a good track record is available and affordable? Most established managers who are good will already be at a club and probably earning more than we could offer.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 21 May 11:05
The way we lost the play off certainly was a capitulation in my eyes.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 21 May 13:14
Hughes getting off lightly in that article for the terrible football he had us playing.
The man had one idea and it killed the fans passion for the game.
At least the bar is now set very low for the next guy, if we look like scoring then thatâs an improvement.
Things will be looking upâŠâŠ..now yogi is gone!
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 21 May 16:44
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JTH123, Sat 21 May 11:05
The way we lost the play off certainly was a capitulation in my eyes.
Mine too. I dont think many of the players gave a hoot. I think we shot ourselves in the foot with the level of abuse dished out to most of them.
It might well have been justified but it wasnt smart when we needed something from them.
All the good stuff from the terracing during matches was nullified by the online vitriol.
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Sat 21 May 16:55
Utter tosh. The online stuff was a result of the crap on the park, not the cause of it.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 21 May 17:21
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CrossPar, Sat 21 May 16:55
Utter tosh. The online stuff was a result of the crap on the park, not the cause of it.
Im only referring to the final 2 games Crosspar.
I get why fans were angry. Just dont think alienating players was wise regardless of whether it was justified or not.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 21 May 17:25
It was the way we went out with a whimper. Ok when the sending off happens you know it will be tough but it`s a cup final and you`ve got to at least try and win it. But no we tried to sit tight. Was he playing for penalties?
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Sat 21 May 17:25
When you are on a football park, you really are not thinking about what is said on a fan`s website.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 21 May 18:17
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CrossPar, Sat 21 May 17:25
When you are on a football park, you really are not thinking about what is said on a fan`s website.
Most likely not but It could have an affect on attitude and preparation.
I think the players we had were good enough to avoid relegation if they were up for it.
They weren`t up for it.
Not all of them, but enough of them were not commited to the cause.
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Topic Originator: parsmad123
Date: Sat 21 May 18:24
Weâre talking about professional sportsmen here. Surely if something was bothering them that much online then they should go out on the park with a point to prove to shut the fans up?
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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz
Date: Sat 21 May 18:33
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PARrot, Sat 21 May 16:44
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JTH123, Sat 21 May 11:05
The way we lost the play off certainly was a capitulation in my eyes.
Mine too. I dont think many of the players gave a hoot. I think we shot ourselves in the foot with the level of abuse dished out to most of them.
It might well have been justified but it wasnt smart when we needed something from them.
All the good stuff from the terracing during matches was nullified by the online vitriol.
total dugshit
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Topic Originator: gthyde
Date: Sat 21 May 18:34
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PARrot, Sat 21 May 16:44
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JTH123, Sat 21 May 11:05
The way we lost the play off certainly was a capitulation in my eyes.
Mine too. I dont think many of the players gave a hoot. I think we shot ourselves in the foot with the level of abuse dished out to most of them.
It might well have been justified but it wasnt smart when we needed something from them.
All the good stuff from the terracing during matches was nullified by the online vitriol.
You really come out with strange stuff
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sat 21 May 19:29
Iâm sure no player ever has turned around and said âI stopped trying because I went on a fans forum and someone said I was p*sh so I got the team relegated on purposeâ.
Iâd suggest the tactics were the issue. Also I suspect the players didnât like the way they were being asked to play. The rumours about the players group chat on WhatsApp would support that theory. I think a lot of them looked as if they had chucked it under PG and never really recovered that will to win. Some of them were never good enough to be here in the first place
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sat 21 May 19:44
Fans fault again, what is it with some posters who instead of addressing the real issues around the club choose to blame their fellow supporters for the teamâs failings
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 21 May 20:48
Quote:
Westies squint kicks, Sat 21 May 19:44
Fans fault again, what is it with some posters who instead of addressing the real issues around the club choose to blame their fellow supporters for the teamâs failings
Except nobody said it was the fans fault.
Totally the players fault if im correct.
Doesnt change the fact it isnt a good idea to p*** off folk you want to do a job for you.
Im not supporting or defending them. Just questioning the wisdom of alienating them.
It isnt a strange consideration at all.
Fans were great all season in the grounds. They deserved better but i honestly think there was a large number who went too far and it had an effect.
You may disagreed but it is a perfectly valid point for discussion.
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Topic Originator: BA
Date: Sat 21 May 21:06
Do people on here seriously think players look on fans forums?
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 21 May 21:13
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BA, Sat 21 May 21:06
Do people on here seriously think players look on fans forums?
Yes I think they do, and I think people are affected by what is written about them. Especiallt when it is sustained over a period of time.
It was pretty bad all season.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sat 21 May 21:49
There are 20+ players in a squad. I think it`s unlikely that either all or none will look at a fan`s forum.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Sat 21 May 21:50
It was pretty bad all season .
Maybe that`s because they were crap all season .
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: BA
Date: Sat 21 May 22:04
Nonsense! Whenever Iâve seen players interviewed about such matters they talk about not reading papers etc, some donât even watch their own highlights or football at all. I think some people on here believe their own self importance, thinking players read and care what fans on an online forum think, where thereâs plenty of drunken comments and trolling going on - laughable!
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Topic Originator: tappies par
Date: Sat 21 May 22:07
When Graham Dorrans was telling his own fans to **** off at Ayr. You could see then that there was a problem. Hughes wanted to try and bridge that gap and create a better connection with the players and fans. Hopefully next season we get off to a good start. We get a decent manager who plays attractive attacking style of football. A manager who plays his best players available and plays a decent formation and tactics. The pars really do have so much potential and we are so much stronger when we are all together. COYP
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 21 May 22:11
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Parsweep, Sat 21 May 21:50
It was pretty bad all season .
Maybe that`s because they were crap all season .
Obviously.
Like I keep saying, i get why folk felt angry.
Still wasnt smart repeatedly telling almost an entire squad of players that they are wage thieves, useless and can all go to feck so we can replace them all.
Certainly not just prior to two matches that we had to win. They will just move on to new teams. We got two fingers from them.
I might be wrong of course but I can think on no other reason for the absolute capitulation at the end.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sat 21 May 22:15
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BA, Sat 21 May 22:04
Nonsense! Whenever Iâve seen players interviewed about such matters they talk about not reading papers etc, some donât even watch their own highlights or football at all. I think some people on here believe their own self importance, thinking players read and care what fans on an online forum think, where thereâs plenty of drunken comments and trolling going on - laughable!
Aye, `players` all have the same personality.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 21 May 22:16
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BA, Sat 21 May 22:04
Nonsense! Whenever Iâve seen players interviewed about such matters they talk about not reading papers etc, some donât even watch their own highlights or football at all. I think some people on here believe their own self importance, thinking players read and care what fans on an online forum think, where thereâs plenty of drunken comments and trolling going on - laughable!
You`re entitled to your opinion, BA, but some players do look at fans forums, even when they know they`d be well advised to stay away from them - it`s human nature. You`re in the public eye so you want to know what those who come to see you think of your performance. Of course many of those who do read the forums hardly ever admit it publicly for fear of being ridiculed.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sat 21 May 22:25
Iâve occasionally looked at other teams fan forums when picking a coupon or on pie and bovril and I donât find our fans more critical than any others when we are crap. We are indeed milder than some. If players are adversely effected by whatâs written on here then they may want to consider an attitude adjustment (âIâll show themâ) or a change in career.
The fans who hand over hard earned cash to watch their team will always have something to say when the players (whose wages we indirectly pay) arenât meeting expectations. Itâs very much a part of professional football.
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Topic Originator: BA
Date: Sat 21 May 22:26
Iâm sure youâll get the odd few here and there that will be daft enough to look, but I truly believe the vast majority wonât bother. The modern day footballer isnât close to fans - I donât think they care what fans think.
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Topic Originator: Gadgie59
Date: Sun 22 May 00:19
I think there is evidence that the tactics used, both by PG & JH, were a big factor in how badly the season turned out. JH explicitly said he wanted to âget at teams and get after teams a wee bit moreâ, the reality however was that his tactics frequently saw us âtrying to avoid losingâ rather than âtrying to winâ.
JH also had sufficient time and opportunity to change or adapt to the situation as things unfolded and developed; but it appears he, like his predecessor, appeared to stick very stubbornly to âhis planâ âŠ. even though our situation was clearly deteriorating.
Yes, the players are ultimately responsible for the performances on the park, but it is the managerâs responsibility to motivate and âmanageâ the team. JH chose the team, the formations and the tactics âŠ.it turned into a nightmare, one he ultimately orchestrated.
His contribution to the clubâs history will be remembered for the wrong reasons; but he wrote the script.
âFootball is a beautiful game,
It should be played beautifully.â
Brian Clough.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Sun 22 May 01:18
Correct.^^^
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 22 May 02:03
Very well put, Gadgie.
Hughes indeed was the architect of his own - and the club`s - downfall. He generally impressed when he arrived with his promise to create a more enjoyable playing environment and responsive tactics that would develop as a game advanced.
My, how we wanted to believe him! But, as Gadgie says, the reality was somewhat different.
After the shambles that was the brief tenure of Peter Grant, most of us would have grasped any straw to take us forward.
There was something about Grant that filled me with distrust almost from the first moment that I heard him speak as the Pars manager...
I have no problem with someone having faith, often it reflects a person of positive character. However, invariably in my experience, guys who walk around in a working environment saying "bless this" and "bless that" in every sentence tend to use it to disguise a mountain of inadequacies. And so, I think, it proved with Grant.
I said it on here at the time that Grant did not present himself as management material, but as a second or third tier functionary in an organisation, more suited to receiving orders than giving them. In other words, good coaching material. It took the board far too long to accept this. In truth, they could and probably should have bitten the bullet after six weeks. He really was that bad!
It is sad that Hughes failed. He was given every chance by the board and by the fans to turn things around. But, it is clear that his inflated ego played a huge part in his downfall.
I am sure that all Pars fans who read GG Riva`s story will be upset about the manager`s response to the player who asked why he was dropped after changing the previous game when he came on as substitute. That truly is shocking stuff.
The problem for Hughes now is that the cup win no longer dominates his CV. Two relegations do.
East End Park was surely his last real opportunity at big time Scottish football. All he had to do was keep us a point or two out of the relegation zone and next season he could begin to build a squad to chase promotion out of the Championship. The board might have given him a couple of seasons to do that.
But his ego and stubbornness got in the way. And he well and truly blew it!
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sun 22 May 07:50
Good post OzPar. Very well put.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 22 May 09:53
Yes, good well reasoned posts from Oz and Gadgie above.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Sun 22 May 10:23
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PARrot, Sat 21 May 22:11
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Parsweep, Sat 21 May 21:50
It was pretty bad all season .
Maybe that`s because they were crap all season .
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I might be wrong of course but I can think on no other reason for the absolute capitulation at the end.
Really? You can`t think of a single reason? Bloody hell
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Topic Originator: Par-timer
Date: Sun 22 May 12:48
Gadgie59 is right in my view to highlight the whole âtrying to avoid losing rather than trying to winâ mentality, but surely this has extended to pretty much every team in our six-year stay in the Championship. I suspect the ten-team format is to blame for the climate of fear, given the gulf between the pro Championship and the semi-pro League 1, but the end result has been largely dismal entertainment for the paying supporters. This year looked a bit different at first, with some big wins and that fourteen-point gap appearing between the teams in five and sixth place in November, but since then the league reverted to type with no whipping boys and no outstanding teams, just a lot of stale keep-ball and low-scoring matches between evenly-matched but unadventurous teams. The top scorers this season managed a paltry 54 goals, the lowest scoring teams hitting the net 36 times. League 1 teams averaged over 50 goals each, so hopefully we can look forward to more expansive football next year whoever is in charge...
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 22 May 13:04
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Grant, Sun 22 May 10:23
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PARrot, Sat 21 May 22:11
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Parsweep, Sat 21 May 21:50
It was pretty bad all season .
Maybe that`s because they were crap all season .
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I might be wrong of course but I can think on no other reason for the absolute capitulation at the end.
Really? You can`t think of a single reason? Bloody hell
I can blame tactics or confidence for a poorer show than what might be expected, but not for losing over 2 matches to a side who finished 4th in a lower league, so far behind the teams above them.
Im telling you we got 2 fingers from enough of them to make it impossible for the few that put a wee effort in.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sun 22 May 14:13
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PARrot, Sun 22 May 13:04
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Grant, Sun 22 May 10:23
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PARrot, Sat 21 May 22:11
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Parsweep, Sat 21 May 21:50
It was pretty bad all season .
Maybe that`s because they were crap all season .
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I might be wrong of course but I can think on no other reason for the absolute capitulation at the end.
Really? You can`t think of a single reason? Bloody hell
I can blame tactics or confidence for a poorer show than what might be expected, but not for losing over 2 matches to a side who finished 4th in a lower league, so far behind the teams above them.
Im telling you we got 2 fingers from enough of them to make it impossible for the few that put a wee effort in.
I agree, I think the defeat to QP was ultimately the issue.
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Sun 22 May 14:45
PARrot , if you`re saying players looked at dotnet , didn`t like what they read , and decided to give less than %100 effort . Then they owe all of us an apology .
They must have had an idea they wouldn`t be reading abt how wonderful they all were .
In my books if they decided to stick 2 fingers up , that makes them dishonest as well as lazy , so good riddance to the lot of them .
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: par-ticular
Date: Sun 22 May 16:17
Interesting theory- downing tools, as a potential employer, would this impact on my evaluation of a player, maybe said players have done some damage to their future employment? Hope so.
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Sun 22 May 16:33
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PARrot, Sun 22 May 13:04
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Grant, Sun 22 May 10:23
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PARrot, Sat 21 May 22:11
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Parsweep, Sat 21 May 21:50
It was pretty bad all season .
Maybe that`s because they were crap all season .
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I might be wrong of course but I can think on no other reason for the absolute capitulation at the end.
Really? You can`t think of a single reason? Bloody hell
I can blame tactics or confidence for a poorer show than what might be expected, but not for losing over 2 matches to a side who finished 4th in a lower league, so far behind the teams above them.
Im telling you we got 2 fingers from enough of them to make it impossible for the few that put a wee effort in.
The team who finished fourth, then beat one of the sides that finished miles above them.
You don`t think that Ambrose getting sent off through a bad refereeing decision had anything to do with it? You literally can`t think of a single other reason than, "DAFC.net got us relegated"?
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Sun 22 May 16:46
Failed to score in 9 of our 13 away games under Hughes. Struggled to create anything for 79 minutes against Ayr. Looked poor for most of the game v QoS. Manager refused to make changes in that game, to rest players for the playoffs.
Then we went to Firhill and played for 0-0. Again, manager didnât really make changes to try and keep players fresh for the 2nd leg. Then players looked dead on their feet when the manager again seemed reluctant to bring on fresh legs in the second leg.
But still, we have people trying to say that itâs not on the manager and is the fault of fans being critical of the team online. Could that have been a factor? Absolutely. But Iâd certainly suggest the poor decisions/lack of decisions the manager made with substitutions (which was evident throughout his entire spell), were a much more significant issue. Indeed if, as suggested above, players werenât giving 100% the manager should have taken them off/refused to play them - as he supposedly did with Thomas. Surely you can see that would still be a huge manager error that cost us our place in the championship, if he kept players on the park that werenât putting in effort/didnât care?!
The managerâs persistence with playing Polworth, Chalmers and Ambrose in particular were huge factors in our relegation. Much more significant than fans criticising the team/players online and that canât be up for debate.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 22 May 16:54
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Parsweep, Sun 22 May 14:45
PARrot , if you`re saying players looked at dotnet , didn`t like what they read , and decided to give less than %100 effort . Then they owe all of us an apology .
They must have had an idea they wouldn`t be reading abt how wonderful they all were .
In my books if they decided to stick 2 fingers up , that makes them dishonest as well as lazy , so good riddance to the lot of them .
Yeah but I dont think they care do they. We got stuffed. Im not talking about dotnet particularly. There are many other outlets.
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Topic Originator: GG4
Date: Sun 22 May 16:56
This forum badly needs an ignore function.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 22 May 17:09
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par-91, Sun 22 May 16:46
Failed to score in 9 of our 13 away games under Hughes. Struggled to create anything for 79 minutes against Ayr. Looked poor for most of the game v QoS. Manager refused to make changes in that game, to rest players for the playoffs.
Then we went to Firhill and played for 0-0. Again, manager didnât really make changes to try and keep players fresh for the 2nd leg. Then players looked dead on their feet when the manager again seemed reluctant to bring on fresh legs in the second leg.
But still, we have people trying to say that itâs not on the manager and is the fault of fans being critical of the team online. Could that have been a factor? Absolutely. But Iâd certainly suggest the poor decisions/lack of decisions the manager made with substitutions (which was evident throughout his entire spell), were a much more significant issue. Indeed if, as suggested above, players werenât giving 100% the manager should have taken them off/refused to play them - as he supposedly did with Thomas. Surely you can see that would still be a huge manager error that cost us our place in the championship, if he kept players on the park that werenât putting in effort/didnât care?!
The managerâs persistence with playing Polworth, Chalmers and Ambrose in particular were huge factors in our relegation. Much more significant than fans criticising the team/players online and that canât be up for debate.
No it isn't up for debate. You are spot on.
Once again I will say that I am not blaming the fans for the terrible season we just had.
However, I think the Raith result really lifted them, and the bond between the fans and players seemed to be strengthening at that point. The NW were immense in their efforts.
Something happened though. A couple of bad results and the abuse started again. Not just critisism but downright abuse. In particular, singling out a number of players and saying they were worthless and should be got rid of.
I cant understand how you cant see that that would have an effect.
It was dishonest of them. They should have done their best for the club and the fans who paid their wages, despite the frustration being vocalised.
All I am saying is that I personally believe the could have and would have survived if their hearts were in it and too many of them gave up.
New season, new club - why give a toss. Bad on them but the way they lost it suggests I may be right.
So once again:; fans input at matches, and financially, deserved much better than they got, but I think we shot ourselves in the foot with the level of targetted abuse in the very latter stages, when we really needed to gel and get them to want it for us.
No doubt in my mind they capitulated.
Post Edited (Sun 22 May 17:14)
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Sun 22 May 19:07
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PARrot, Sun 22 May 17:09
I cant understand how you cant see that that would have an effect.
It seems like youâre just looking to disagree with everyone, without really reading what they say. From the post you quoted - âCould that have been a factor? Absolutely.â
I was disputing your suggestion that the playoff result has less to do with management/tactics than fan criticism online. Not the fact that criticism can impact performances.
Yes, criticism of the team/players could have influenced playersâ state of mind/attitudes and therefore been a factor. But the mismanagement that we saw in the playoffs was there long before the Raith game and in every game since and the managerâs tactics and decisions were a much bigger factor in our relegation than criticism of the team/players online.
If players werenât giving 100% or willing to fight for the cause, the manager shouldnât have played them and/or should have brought them off. He regularly waited until we went behind/conceded an equaliser before tweaking things in response to opposition subs/shifts in momentum and, again, thatâs what lost us the playoff game. QP made changes to try and win the game - the extra striker they brought on got Ambrose sent off and scored. We didnât make âpositiveâ changes until weâd gone behind.
Same happened both times we played away to Hamilton. They made subs at 0-0 first time and 2-1 down second time and there was a clear momentum shift in their favour and we struggled to get out of our own half. It wasnât until 7 mins after they went 1-0 up or 7 minutes after they equalised that we made changes. Likewise, the manager didnât make positive changes until it was too late against Arbroath away and Partick Thistle away, when we were 1-0 down for the majority of the game. He didnât bring on more attack minded players/change things until the last 15 mins.
For that reason, I refuse to accept your argument that management/tactics werenât the most crucial factor in the playoff defeat, when he was repeating the same mistakes we saw numerous times throughout the season.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 22 May 21:31
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par-91, Sun 22 May 19:07
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PARrot, Sun 22 May 17:09
I cant understand how you cant see that that would have an effect.
It seems like youâre just looking to disagree with everyone, without really reading what they say. From the post you quoted - âCould that have been a factor? Absolutely.â
I was disputing your suggestion that the playoff result has less to do with management/tactics than fan criticism online. Not the fact that criticism can impact performances.
Yes, criticism of the team/players could have influenced playersâ state of mind/attitudes and therefore been a factor. But the mismanagement that we saw in the playoffs was there long before the Raith game and in every game since and the managerâs tactics and decisions were a much bigger factor in our relegation than criticism of the team/players online.
If players werenât giving 100% or willing to fight for the cause, the manager shouldnât have played them and/or should have brought them off. He regularly waited until we went behind/conceded an equaliser before tweaking things in response to opposition subs/shifts in momentum and, again, thatâs what lost us the playoff game. QP made changes to try and win the game - the extra striker they brought on got Ambrose sent off and scored. We didnât make âpositiveâ changes until weâd gone behind.
Same happened both times we played away to Hamilton. They made subs at 0-0 first time and 2-1 down second time and there was a clear momentum shift in their favour and we struggled to get out of our own half. It wasnât until 7 mins after they went 1-0 up or 7 minutes after they equalised that we made changes. Likewise, the manager didnât make positive changes until it was too late against Arbroath away and Partick Thistle away, when we were 1-0 down for the majority of the game. He didnât bring on more attack minded players/change things until the last 15 mins.
For that reason, I refuse to accept your argument that management/tactics werenât the most crucial factor in the playoff defeat, when he was repeating the same mistakes we saw numerous times throughout the season.
I am not disagreeing with anyone. I made a valid point and some folk disagree with me. Fair enough. I never said at any point that the managers tactics were not the most crucial factor. In fact I started my last post stating quite clearly that I agreed with you.
Im afraid it is you who are not reading things properly.
Vast majority of fans were fantastic. The manager at fault, players at fault. Some fans didnt help and in fact contributed to the catastrophe by alienating some of the players who then didnt care enough to make the effort they might have.
I dont think that opinion is unreasonable.
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Sun 22 May 22:00
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PARrot, Sun 22 May 21:31
I never said at any point that the managers tactics were not the most crucial factor.
âI can blame tactics or confidence for a poorer show than what might be expected, but not for losing over 2 matches to a side who finished 4th in a lower leagueâ
Is that not a quote from one of your posts on this thread?
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Sun 22 May 22:56
Could it be that the problems lie deeper than simply the manager? Peter Grant was seen as a poor appointment by many on this site but his record was worse than poor: it was absolutely abysmal. He didnât just make DAFC a worse side than the one he inherited, he actually made us worse than the Alloa team he had managed (and relegated) in the very same division. Itâs almost inexplicable given that he was an experienced coach and had two years as manager to call upon. Within a short time at EEP this rather chippy Glaswegian looked as bereft of confidence as the team he was managing.
John Hughes was widely seen as a decent stop gap manager, maybe even a long term bet depending on how things panned out. Heâs a down to earth, jack the lad type from Leith so seemed an ideal character for lifting the gloom and putting a bit of pep (maybe not the Guardiola type) into the set up. It didnât happen, in fact it seems the only occasions the team played with real spirit was when the supporters gave strong vocal backing against Ayr and Raith; it wasnât coming from the manager who had been appointed to do exactly that. Very few on this site were shocked when we failed to beat QP over two games and I suspect Hughes wasnât either.
Of course we might just have made two bad managerial appointments- but they shouldnât have been as awful as they turned out. Grant should have been capable of better than zero victories and bottom of the division. Hughes should surely have been able to drag us out of the relegation quagmire. Fair enough the manager is the leader so he has to carry the can, but there seem to be leadership issues in the boardroom and the dressing room, where we probably had as many captains as victories last season.
sammer
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 22 May 23:55
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par-91, Sun 22 May 22:00
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PARrot, Sun 22 May 21:31
I never said at any point that the managers tactics were not the most crucial factor.
âI can blame tactics or confidence for a poorer show than what might be expected, but not for losing over 2 matches to a side who finished 4th in a lower leagueâ
Is that not a quote from one of your posts on this thread?
Yes. I should have said I can`t blame the tactics alone.
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Topic Originator: dickandbert
Date: Mon 23 May 01:44
What we need now is one of those game changing appointments we get once in a while.
A management team who inspires and motivates.
In my time it happens every few years.
Leishman
Bert Paton and Dick Campbell
Calderwood
The first two had a few things in common.
Relatively unknown in management circles, passion and enthusiasm for the club and, I suspect, relatively low budgets to work with.
The built a great team spirit and united the fans.
We can only hope we are due another turn with managers like them.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 23 May 02:01
Agree dickandbert.
Bertâs team were not the most gifted but the team was packed with big guys and were very direct and got fired in, scored a load of goals and conceded quite a few too.
Calderwoods team will never be repeated, even if we appoint the best manager they are never going to be able to assemble a team like that, not without admin following shortly after.
We just need a manager who knows what a decent midfielder looks like and hopefully they unearth a few gems.
One thing, how is a new manager going to evaluate the current squad before contracts are up without seeing the players play or in cases meeting them due to holidays etc? Ie if we want to keep Donaldson do we expect him to hang about until the new manager runs the rule over him in pre season?
Things will be looking upâŠâŠ..now yogi is gone!
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Mon 23 May 07:27
Donaldson isn`t ours to keep.
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Mon 23 May 08:17
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PARrot, Sun 22 May 23:55
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par-91, Sun 22 May 22:00
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PARrot, Sun 22 May 21:31
I never said at any point that the managers tactics were not the most crucial factor.
âI can blame tactics or confidence for a poorer show than what might be expected, but not for losing over 2 matches to a side who finished 4th in a lower leagueâ
Is that not a quote from one of your posts on this thread?
Yes. I should have said I can`t blame the tactics alone.
Fair enough. That was the main thing I disagreed with. Definitely will have some impact when fans are so negative about players/team. But I do feel like what happened to us is ultimately on the manager/management team.
Anyway, time for us to look forward and get behind the new management team and players. Regardless of previous reputations/what fans of other clubs say, itâs important anyone that comes here is given a chance.
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Mon 23 May 09:40
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par-91, Mon 23 May 08:17
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PARrot, Sun 22 May 23:55
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par-91, Sun 22 May 22:00
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PARrot, Sun 22 May 21:31
I never said at any point that the managers tactics were not the most crucial factor.
âI can blame tactics or confidence for a poorer show than what might be expected, but not for losing over 2 matches to a side who finished 4th in a lower leagueâ
Is that not a quote from one of your posts on this thread?
Yes. I should have said I can`t blame the tactics alone.
, itâs important anyone that comes here is given a chance.
Not that important really
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Mon 23 May 12:14
Getting relegated from the Championship at a "big" clubs isn`t great on your CV at the best of times but in the current finanical climate it`s a very dangerous game in terms of your next career move.
I don`t think it`s a overly dramatic to suggest that a lot of these guys will do well do get another full time club and the ones who had a higher pedigree and came down a level to maybe prove they still `had it` haven`t exactly pulled up any trees; Connolly and Donaldson did their reputation no harm but Polworth and Lawless were a huge disappointment.
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Tue 24 May 04:39
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GG Riva, Sun 22 May 09:53
Yes, good well reasoned posts from Oz and Gadgie above.
Agree - both excellent posts.
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