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 James McPake
Topic Originator: The Toun Clock  
Date:   Tue 24 May 07:25

Courier Sport are this morning confirming James McPake will be our new manager.

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: PARadise  
Date:   Tue 24 May 07:27

Fs
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Toddyrov  
Date:   Tue 24 May 07:35

Will always give a new manager a chance but not exactly over the moon with this

Effe
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Scrimmers249  
Date:   Tue 24 May 07:40

new Peter Grant incoming

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: king lad  
Date:   Tue 24 May 07:52

Not excited by this appointment but have to give him a chance to prove himself and build a squad.
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Gregshawsgranny  
Date:   Tue 24 May 07:58

Charlie Adam will be player coach nae doubt

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 24 May 08:00

50/50 one. On one hand, he got Dundee out the Championship. On the other, he got them relegated back to the Championship.

Okay, he didn`t see out the season, but still looked doomed.

No Petrie? 😉
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: rikaka  
Date:   Tue 24 May 08:05

Unbeaten in 6 when he was replaced by McGhee. Didn`t really work out for them.

Hopefully it works out for us. COYP
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: adampar1  
Date:   Tue 24 May 08:07

Awful appointment!

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: dover par  
Date:   Tue 24 May 08:12

What do people expect? We are a third tier team ffs,If it is him give him a chance.

"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing."
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Parfect69  
Date:   Tue 24 May 08:13

I do wonder who people expect. We are a league 1 club.
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: The Toun Clock  
Date:   Tue 24 May 08:13

“50/50 one. On one hand, he got Dundee out the Championship. On the other, he got them relegated back to the Championship.”

In his defence he did have Dundee sitting 11th one point ahead of St.Johnstone when he was binned. He’s also just guided Dundee to a win at Tynecastle and into the quarter finals of the Scottish cup. He was on a 6 game unbeaten streak.

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: 1970par  
Date:   Tue 24 May 08:14

Pretty uninspiring if true

Like all managers he will get a chance to impress however it could be another long season with difficult times ahead

Can’t see it pushing season ticket sales

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 24 May 08:16

Just incase you are wondering that loud noise was Grant`s head exploding

None of the candidates mentioned really inspired me. Let's give him a chance to build his squad

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: forever black and white  
Date:   Tue 24 May 08:20

Some folk on here , you have to give him a chance .
If we rewind, what would the fans of today say when Dunfermline appointed Jock stein all those years ago.
A manager with no experience of managing a first team ,who went on to be Dunfermline`s most successful manager and probably the best ever.
Give the boy a chance he can`t be any worse than the last two .
Surely...

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par  
Date:   Tue 24 May 08:27

Lot of Dundee fans wishing he hadn’t been sacked. I imagine he has a point to prove after Dundee. Let’s get behind him and see if he can get us playing attractive football.
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Tue 24 May 08:29

Really very disappointed. Hope I’m proved wrong.

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: CoventryparsFan  
Date:   Tue 24 May 08:31

Young Manager
Was a success in his only job so far ( promoted out of a league our previous managers couldn`t manage). Manager of the year that year.
He will have learned loads from his stint managing the next season.
Welcome aboard Mr McPake - I`m 100% behind his appointment.

if you have no good words to say...... you know the rest
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Tue 24 May 08:34

The traditional Pars welcome building momentum 🙄


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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Tue 24 May 08:34

To be honest, not one of the names I was hoping for, but we need to get right behind him. He`s only 37, been club captain pretty much everywhere he`s been since his early 20s. A proven leader. The previous season he was Championship Manager of the year.
Did a good job at Dundee in my opinion, and still had them clear of the automatic relegation place and on a decent run when they sneaked in McGhee to replace him.
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: nightboat  
Date:   Tue 24 May 08:46

I agree with the positive posts such as Coventry`. He was turning a corner when binned by Dundee. I will back him if true.

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 24 May 08:48

Best of luck, James. Welcome to the Pars




It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: KnebworthPar  
Date:   Tue 24 May 08:50

Welcome James and lets get right fired into this league. COYP!

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Tue 24 May 08:53

I think he`ll do alright. People have delusions of how big Dunfermline are as a club. Too many cup finals spoiling people I reckon. Im just concerned about Meggle`s role here.

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Tue 24 May 09:06

Quote:

General Zod, Tue 24 May 08:53

I think he`ll do alright. People have delusions of how big Dunfermline are as a club. Too many cup finals spoiling people I reckon. Im just concerned about Meggle`s role here.



I`m concerned about his role in picking managers.

When i thought about Yogi going, and who he`d be replaced by, McPake was my biggest fear, our board seem to have a type, any manager that comes in, spins a story about attacking football and playing youth, anyone who is a bit affable and boom, we`re sold, hook line and sinker.

I can`t see this being a success, but likewise I`m a bit past caring or expecting anything to change, when it comes to picking the next manager we`ll go for another manager who can fit in as many buzzwords intonhis interview, regardless if his record backs it up.
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: dover par  
Date:   Tue 24 May 09:24

Aye…they missed a real trick in no asking you Grant to be involved in the selection and interview process.,You being a real football authority and all that.

"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing."
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Tue 24 May 09:30

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dover par, Tue 24 May 09:24

Aye…they missed a real trick in no asking you Grant to be involved in the selection and interview process.,You being a real football authority and all that.


Quite, one day I`ll hopefully know enough about football that would make Peter Grant and John Hughes seem like good appointments. Those guys really know what they`re doing!
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Tue 24 May 09:31

Good appointment. Time for us all to pull together now........

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: 1985Par  
Date:   Tue 24 May 09:32

Initial thoughts/gut feeling is FFS! Based only on what i`ve seen/heard of him on the TV and radio I`ve never warmed to him. However this counts for nothing. I think he did a half decent job at Dundee and don`t think he subscribed to the tippy tappy playing style guff. Like all managers the success of his tenure will be determined by the impact his signings have. Hopefully he`ll make a few good ones. Happy to give him a chance ie a proper chance, not just 6 weeks.

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Kessel  
Date:   Tue 24 May 09:34

Definitely not my first choice for our next manager but need to get behind the guy now and give him a chance. At least it`s not that fud Thomson at Kelty, which is a plus point.
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: RMGpar  
Date:   Tue 24 May 09:37

Not my first choice but then I remember where we are, I am sure with the right singings he will do the job for us. Happy to give him my full backing

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Tue 24 May 09:39

Newsflash

Champioship manager of the year who secured promotion for Dundee deemed not good enough for 3rd tier sleeping giants.

Comedy gold.

No idea what was expected but I think we would struggle to do better, where we are.

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: jojo  
Date:   Tue 24 May 09:43

Folks … whether he is your first or fortieth pick it is what it is , we are League 1 club material for now . Let’s all accept it and get fully behind the guy and the players and start the season as a blank canvas and build some positive momentum because one thing is for sure , continued negativity and infighting will only result in slide continuing. Let’s at least start by being supportive and see where it takes us
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 24 May 09:47

Lots of folk saying they don`t fancy him as a manager but what are the specific reasons behind that opinion? Getting sacked is an occupational hazard for football managers. Lee Johnson, who has just been appointed as Hibs` manager, has already been sacked twice and he`s only 40. Stuart Kettlewell, who was also in the frame for the Pars` job apparently, was sacked in similar circumstances to McPake and Ian Murray who is about to be named as Rovers` manager was sacked by St Mirren after half a season.

So what is it about McPake that some fans don`t like? Is it his tactics, team selections, substitutions or any of the other things some fans seem to rate like interview technique, touchline demeanour, etc?

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Gaz3822  
Date:   Tue 24 May 09:50

Don`t think it`s too bad an appointment.

Last week I`d have said no to it probably but thinking about it, he did quite well at Dundee and was pushed out prematurely by the looks of it.

But still the usual Scottish managerial roundabout.

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 24 May 09:51

Well at least you`ve given Grant something to do for the next 10 minutes, Eck!

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Parsdave  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:04

On the plus side also, at least we’ve moved reasonably quickly on this and they can get focused on the player recruitment asap
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: kba  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:10

Not my first choice but he did well with Dundee and brought in some good players when he was in championship. Hopefully he can do the same again.
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: DeeMan  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:15

Don`t know where people are getting this "6-game unbeaten run" from? It`s not the case. The timing of his sacking from Dundee was poor but necessary. The win at Tynecastle was most welcome but the display against Peterhead, which I ventured north to witness, was appalling and the final straw.
His first season in the Championship saw us miles behind United when the league was halted. His second season was very poor until the last half dozen or so games and, if crowds had been allowed in to express their dissatisfaction, I don`t think he would have survived to see out the season. The Premiership season was awful and, in my opinion, would still have resulted in relegation.
In his defence, he does seem able to attract big-name players. We signed Jason Cummings, Leigh Griffiths, Graham Dorrans, Charlie Adam, Jamie Ness etc, but he never seemed to know what to do with them.
From a fans` perspective his appointment was underwhelming and seen as the cheap option. His failure to address problem areas like the goalkeeper and defence were his undoing.
I believe he`s a nice guy and I sincerely hope he and the Pars are a good fit.

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: AlterPar  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:16

Has this been announced? Or just the courier saying so at the moment?
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:18

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DeeMan, Tue 24 May 10:15

Don`t know where people are getting this "6-game unbeaten run" from? .


They`re including your two cup games against lower league sides.
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:19


His record is decent, 41 percent win record. 48 percent at home. Better than any recent Pars manager. Wish him the best of luck.
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: DeeMan  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:22

What about the 2-1 home defeat to Ross County just before the Hearts win?

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: dafc123  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:24

I really do hope this thread gets deleted.

Our new manager could easily come on here and see the NEGATIVITY from the fans already.

He got Dee promoted...and did not get them relegated.

Successful manager in my eyes. Hopefully does get in about the youth as well.

This fan base would have issues with literally any manager that walked through the door but are happy to sit idle whilst the board remains more or less the same.

As i said, i do hope Brian considers my request to delete this NEGATIVE thread.

Thanks again
DAFC123 (ST HOLDER IN THE CAGE SINCE 1986)

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:27

I seem to remember it being universally agreed that he was sacked rather harshly at the time.

Of course games against lower league sides don`t count so we must still be in the Championship then....HAPPY DAYS!

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: summeragent  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:31

What’s everyone’s problem with McPake? He rebuilt an average Dundee team in free fall and got them promoted playing great football. SPL is always a challenge and I think he should have stayed longer at the club.

Don’t understand the issue, please enlighten me?
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:34

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summeragent, Tue 24 May 10:31

What’s everyone’s problem with McPake? He rebuilt an average Dundee team in free fall and got them promoted playing great football. SPL is always a challenge and I think he should have stayed longer at the club.

Don’t understand the issue, please enlighten me?


There`s literally a Dundee fan a few posts up who`s posted about him.


Of course the posters on here know more about his time at Dundee than him and know better, which is very bizarre. There`s no point trying to educate, or enlighten posters on here, we could`ve appointed Grant again and the same posters on here would be saying its a good appointment. Wild.
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:40

We`ve heard from ONE Dundee fan so that`s hardly representative of their support. I`m still waiting on Pars` fans who don`t rate him to explain why.

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:43

"we could`ve appointed Grant again and the same posters on here would be saying its a good appointment. Wild."

Would they, aye? That`s the stupidest post of the day, right there.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:45

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wee eck, Tue 24 May 10:40

We`ve heard from ONE Dundee fan so that`s hardly representative of their support. I`m still waiting on Pars` fans who don`t rate him to explain why.


No point, because if I tell you it`ll be "well I`ve heard from ONE Dunfermline fan".
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:45

Quote:

da_no_1, Tue 24 May 10:43

"we could`ve appointed Grant again and the same posters on here would be saying its a good appointment. Wild."

Would they, aye? That`s the stupidest post of the day, right there.



Should see some of the posts thinking McPake done a good job at Dundee.
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:47

Someone who Meggle can have an input with no doubt. I`d imagine that`s a reason why he`s been brought in. Not enthused at all with the appointment but not surprised. Hopefully he can do the job but after hearing him say how stressed out he was in the Dundee job I hope he realises that the pressures on him right away in this job! Whether we like it or not it sounds like he`ll be the manager and all we can do is give him our backing and hope he delivers. Hopefully he can bring an experienced assistant in with him.

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Muppet Par  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:49

Different board, same terrible decisions. Awful appointment

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: DeeMan  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:54

I`m just ONE Dundee fan but I think my views represent the majority of fans I`ve spoken to and who have `endured` the last three years.
Most agree the timing of McPake`s departure was unfortunate, but that`s down to the clown (Nelms) in charge of these decisions.
McPake should have gone after the 5-0 home defeat to Ross County and, at the very latest, BEFORE the transfer window shut, to give his successor a chance to clear out the deadwood.

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: DAFC23  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:54

Maybe not a done deal if you click the link on the courier story it now seems to have been pulled
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 24 May 10:55

`No point, because if I tell you it`ll be "well I`ve heard from ONE Dunfermline fan".`

What a cop-out! Hopefully more than one would respond.

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Tue 24 May 11:00

Please get behind him whatever your feelings are on this appointment and hopefully he bring Charlie adam along as part of his coaching team
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Tue 24 May 11:03

Quote:

wee eck, Tue 24 May 10:55

`No point, because if I tell you it`ll be "well I`ve heard from ONE Dunfermline fan".`

What a cop-out! Hopefully more than one would respond.



There`s literally no point, if you`re not going to listen to a Dundee fan, why would you listen to me?
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Tue 24 May 11:03

Quote:

dafc-chris1, Tue 24 May 11:00

Please get behind him whatever your feelings are on this appointment and hopefully he bring Charlie adam along as part of his coaching team



Not sure he will, I`d imagine Dorrans will become player coach though, and Wighton might have a chance next season.
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: DAFCinBK  
Date:   Tue 24 May 11:04

Still there for me.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/3325602/james-mcpake-dunfermline-manager-dundee/



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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: DAFCinBK  
Date:   Tue 24 May 11:08

Here`s a growing thread of views from Dee fans. For those interested

https://www.thedarkblues.co.uk/topic/29749-james-mcpake/#comment-533142



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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: DAFC23  
Date:   Tue 24 May 11:12

Quote:

DAFCinBK, Tue 24 May 11:04

Still there for me.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/3325602/james-mcpake-dunfermline-manager-dundee/



Post Edited (Tue 24 May 11:04)


Strange just went back on and it’s up definitely was a 404 page does not exist error 20 mins ago .
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Tue 24 May 11:57

My immediate response was no, however he cannot be as bad the previous two. Hopefully he will play more than 1 up front. Welcome to the club James.

matt forsyth
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 24 May 12:01

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PARadise, Tue 24 May 07:27

Fs


That`s the spirit! Welcome to EEP, James. 🙂

I see this thread is split almost 50-50 between fans who think McPake is a terrible appointment and others who are willing to give him a chance.

I wonder which side I should join? 🤔 Tough one......



Not your average Sunday League player.
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: plainview  
Date:   Tue 24 May 12:04

I`m neither blown away nor gutted about this appointment. The man is a new manager who has had good and bad spells at the one club he has been at so there`s little to go off to predict how he will do with us. Definitely can`t write this off as a bad appointment before a ball has been kicked!

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: steaua  
Date:   Tue 24 May 12:09

Can I ask as I may have missed this, but has there been an official announcement from DAFC about the new manager?

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: RMGpar  
Date:   Tue 24 May 12:10

No, but it`s been leaked...

I expect announcement at 1

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Toddyrov  
Date:   Tue 24 May 12:10

Are people not allowed to be disappointed?

I’ll still give him a chance but I’m not going to fake being happy about it

Effe
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Tue 24 May 12:15

Quote:

Toddyrov, Tue 24 May 12:10

Are people not allowed to be disappointed?

I’ll still give him a chance but I’m not going to fake being happy about it



Don`t you know that his whole tenure depends on you putting up a post welcoming him to EEP?
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Toddyrov  
Date:   Tue 24 May 12:25

Yawn

Hope he proves me and some other fans wrong.

Effe
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: RMGpar  
Date:   Tue 24 May 12:28

Wonder if any managers ever think, Christ Great club but wish I could have another set of fans..

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: gegganpar  
Date:   Tue 24 May 12:37

Quote:

RMGpar, Tue 24 May 12:28

Wonder if any managers ever think, Christ Great club but wish I could have another set of fans..


Love it 🤣

J angus blacklaws
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie  
Date:   Tue 24 May 12:40

At least it`s breaking away from the usual "well respected in the game" merry-go-round of dinosaurs who usually get linked.

This is a guy who lost his career at it's peak to a horrendous injury and worked his bottom off to get back and then had to turn to do all the coaching badges so i get a good vibe in that respect.

I know folk point towards the money he was backed with to bring in the likes of Adam and Cummings - which he won`t get here - but i`d guess having Strachan as a sounding board would have also been some sort of benefit.

Just hope he gets to pick his own staff.

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower  
Date:   Tue 24 May 14:19

If it is McPake my first reaction is maybe slightly on the positive side of “meh”. I guess he would be classified as “promising” rather than “experienced”, so more of a longer term appointment. Hopefully he can learn from his mistakes.

All appointments are a bit of a gamble so it would be sensible to mitigate the risk. How you do that, I don’t know. A “rigorous” recruitment process might be one thing to do, devising a cheap exit strategy if it doesn’t work would be another. Providing plenty support in the right areas a third, so making use of Herr Meggle should come into play.

My second reaction is how come it’s being leaked? That’s unprofessional, Shirley.

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Topic Originator: The Toun Clock  
Date:   Tue 24 May 14:36

Papers like the Courier always seem to know before the club announce. When AJ got the job, then Grant got the job both the Sun and Courier announced it about 5 hours before the club did.

Same with signings, the day we signed McManus, DT and O`Hara they announced it first saying we`d accepted a bit for Nisbet and this is how we`d be spending some of the coin. I don`t know how it gets out but it always does. Yesterday the Courier said Iain Murray would be new Raith gaffer and there he is this afternoon.

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Topic Originator: king lad  
Date:   Tue 24 May 14:37

A lot of pars info seems to get leaked, pretty sure the Courier has had the scoop on most of our recent signings/managers before it becomes official knowledge. Not ideal but that`s the world we live in now I think
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Tue 24 May 14:46

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Grant, Tue 24 May 10:45

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da_no_1, Tue 24 May 10:43

"we could`ve appointed Grant again and the same posters on here would be saying its a good appointment. Wild."

Would they, aye? That`s the stupidest post of the day, right there.



Should see some of the posts thinking McPake done a good job at Dundee.


I would say promotion to the top tier was a pretty good job.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 24 May 15:12

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Grant, Tue 24 May 12:15

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Toddyrov, Tue 24 May 12:10

Are people not allowed to be disappointed?

I’ll still give him a chance but I’m not going to fake being happy about it



Don`t you know that his whole tenure depends on you putting up a post welcoming him to EEP?


Of course you are entitled to feel disappointed, Toddyrov. I know the club sounded out a good number of potential applicants informally, to gauge interest and perhaps discuss a salary and budget. Who would you like to have seen us appoint who was within our budget and willing to come here?

Grant, give over with the sarcastic posts - you`re better than that. Literally no one has said we should write a welcome post, but it certainly wouldn`t make him a worse manager.



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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Tue 24 May 15:24

I just can`t get my head around what folk were expecting?
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Topic Originator: weemike  
Date:   Tue 24 May 15:40

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Rusty Shackleford, Tue 24 May 15:24

I just can`t get my head around what folk were expecting?


Jack Ross 🤣
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Topic Originator: AlterPar  
Date:   Tue 24 May 15:46

According to my sources, I can definitely maybe confirm that McPake has the job or hasn’t.
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Gaz3822  
Date:   Tue 24 May 15:48

Just hope the club don`t give him a daft contract.
In an ideal world 1 year would be enough for him to prove he`s a good fit. The guy is out a job after all.

But we`re not in an ideal world so I`m sure that won`t happen. I still don`t think he should get more than 18mths to start with. Contract can always be extended but if its a poor season then compensation is only 6mths.

No doubt it`ll be 2 years and the pressure will be on.
If we`re nowhere near promotion then the fans will be demanding a sacking again and probably 12mths compy.

Let`s hope for everyone`s sake at the club he`s a success.

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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Tue 24 May 15:51

Still no mention on COWS.

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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 24 May 15:57

"Just hope the club don`t give him a daft contract.
In an ideal world 1 year would be enough for him to prove he`s a good fit. The guy is out a job after all.

But we`re not in an ideal world so I`m sure that won`t happen. I still don`t think he should get more than 18mths to start with. Contract can always be extended but if its a poor season then compensation is only 6mths.

No doubt it`ll be 2 years and the pressure will be on.
If we`re nowhere near promotion then the fans will be demanding a sacking again and probably 12mths compy.

Let`s hope for everyone`s sake at the club he`s a success."


It generally doesn`t work like that, at our level at least. There`s normally a termination agreement written into the contract. As such, it doesn`t matter if we give him a 5-year contract or a 2-year one. Clearly 18 months is a non-starter, given that it would expire at the end of November next year, which would be a mad thing to do.

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Topic Originator: Gaz3822  
Date:   Tue 24 May 16:14

I realise the 18mth is a non starter, ideally if he`s doing well you extend during the season. I`ve never been part of contract negotiations but can imagine nobody would agree on it anyway.

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Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Tue 24 May 16:38

Ideally it will be a 2 year deal with the club retaining a performance based break option at the end of the first season (fail to reach the playoffs and your gone).

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 24 May 16:51

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weemike, Tue 24 May 15:40

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Rusty Shackleford, Tue 24 May 15:24

I just can`t get my head around what folk were expecting?


Jack Ross 🤣


I believe an informal chat took place with a number of potential candidates, including Jack Ross, weemike. I don`t know for certain why it didn`t go any further than that, but I`d guess his salary demands and our budget were both likely stumbling blocks.

Wouldn`t have minded Jack. Pretty certain he would have brought John Potter back to EEP. His short spell as manager was similar to Grant`s but he`s a really decent coach, highly thought of by the players at that time.



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Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Tue 24 May 16:51

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Never10yairds, Tue 24 May 16:38

Ideally it will be a 2 year deal with the club retaining a performance based break option at the end of the first season (fail to reach the playoffs and your gone).


This works both ways remember. With an option like that I would be looking for an option after a year that mirrors that ie if another job comes up after the year then you let me go without compo. How would the fans feel if a manager does well and is allowed to leave for nothing with a year left on his contract?
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Gadgie59  
Date:   Tue 24 May 17:01

Alex Ferguson was sacked by St.Mirren but managed to get a job with Aberdeen afterward. :^


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It should be played beautifully.”
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Tue 24 May 17:05

Official now

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: CrossPar  
Date:   Tue 24 May 17:07

Not the appointment that, on its own, is liable to inspire those pondering about purchasing a season ticket. Might change if he brings in some decent signings.
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Topic Originator: weemike  
Date:   Tue 24 May 17:14

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GG Riva, Tue 24 May 16:51

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weemike, Tue 24 May 15:40

Quote:

Rusty Shackleford, Tue 24 May 15:24

I just can`t get my head around what folk were expecting?


Jack Ross 🤣


I believe an informal chat took place with a number of potential candidates, including Jack Ross, weemike. I don`t know for certain why it didn`t go any further than that, but I`d guess his salary demands and our budget were both likely stumbling blocks.

Wouldn`t have minded Jack. Pretty certain he would have brought John Potter back to EEP. His short spell as manager was similar to Grant`s but he`s a really decent coach, highly thought of by the players at that time.


There is no way on earth Jack Ross was ever going to manage us,

I would`ve been pleased/amazed if we managed to secure a coup like that.

I believe the appointment of Mcpake is correct in the sense of the reality of the situation we are in at the moment.
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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Tue 24 May 17:20

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GG Riva, Tue 24 May 15:12

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Grant, Tue 24 May 12:15

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Toddyrov, Tue 24 May 12:10

Are people not allowed to be disappointed?

I’ll still give him a chance but I’m not going to fake being happy about it



Don`t you know that his whole tenure depends on you putting up a post welcoming him to EEP?


Of course you are entitled to feel disappointed, Toddyrov. I know the club sounded out a good number of potential applicants informally, to gauge interest and perhaps discuss a salary and budget. Who would you like to have seen us appoint who was within our budget and willing to come here?

Grant, give over with the sarcastic posts - you`re better than that. Literally no one has said we should write a welcome post, but it certainly wouldn`t make him a worse manager.



It certainly won`t make him a better one either, it literally won`t matter either way, there`s no point as to fake being happy if you`re not.

I`ll still go to games when I can but there`s nothing about that appointment that makes me think we`re winning the league, or that the manager selection process has gotten any better. He won`t be as bad as Grant, but I`m doubtful as to whether he`ll be as "good" as Hughes.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Tue 24 May 17:23

Allparone, I haven’t heard of a manager insisting on a “if I win the league I can walk” clause, that’s not to say it’s never happened. It has become increasingly common in recent years for clubs to give themselves get out clauses on performance grounds though. It would help us avoid having to pay a manager a considerable sum to walk. It’s just good business and I’d be surprised if the club hadn’t done it after the last year we’ve had.

If they are confident they can do well, they don’t need to worry about it really do they. I’d be quite concerned about any manager who is currently unemployed who wouldn’t sign a clause saying the club can bullet them if they don’t make the playoffs. What would that tell you about their confidence in their own abilities?

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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar  
Date:   Tue 24 May 17:52

Welcome James.
Least we’ve appointed a manger that’s won something recently. Which is better than our previous few managers. Will be looking forward to seeing what players & training staff we can attract to the club. Onwards & upwards.

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Tue 24 May 18:07

One thing I do like about James McPake is that he started working towards his UEFA Coaching badges when he was in his mid 20s. To me that speaks of a man that isn`t willing just to be along for the ride, it`s someone that has a long term goal to do as well as he can. When he went to Dundee as a player he also took on the Under 20s Coaching duties, so we are not getting an inexperienced coach, he has already got years of experience under his belt. Give him a chance
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 24 May 18:08

Probably more likely to do with his early retirement with back problems ?




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Topic Originator: par-91  
Date:   Tue 24 May 18:44

Happy with this appointment. Think he’ll do a decent enough job. One thing worth noting - our past managers have had stories of fall outs with players etc. James McPake seems to be well respected by the players he’s worked with. Other than Cumming’s, who is well known to be hard work, the players seem to have a lot of time and respect for him.

Charlie Adam and Paul McMullan among those congratulating him on Twitter.

Declan McDaid released by Dundee. He’d be a cracking signing for us, if it was an option. Suspect he might have better offers though.
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Topic Originator: neils  
Date:   Tue 24 May 18:47

Good to stuff, by all accounts will try to get the best out of the players, he will work with guys who hardly got a look in last season, no one comes with a guarantee, but a good appointment for a third tier team.

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Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Tue 24 May 19:03

Let’s give him a chance and see what he can do, I have a feeling he won’t play dour football with 1 wee guy upfront so it should be an improvement on last year.

Interesting to see who he manages to get in now. Out of our youngsters I like Todd at right back but didn’t see much from Allan and McCann to suggest they will make a big impact even in league 1, not sure who else if anyone is coming through who is decent enough to be near the team.

Hopefully a fresh start for toddy and wighton among others who were frozen out the last 6 months.

Things will be looking up……..now yogi is gone!

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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Tue 24 May 19:25

My gut is telling me McCann will get double figures.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar  
Date:   Tue 24 May 19:32

There is an interview with him 1 to 1 on youtube after he was sacked by Dundee. Its worth watching
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Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Tue 24 May 20:16

JTH you mean on the back of his shirt?

Things will be looking up……..now yogi is gone!

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 24 May 20:39

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JTH123, Tue 24 May 19:25

My gut is telling me McCann will get double figures.


Agreed. Berkey you might not be drenched in negativity but you`re still an erse

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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Tue 24 May 21:23

I`ll take a bet that McCann will get 15 goals in all competitions next season.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Tue 24 May 21:32

Hahah McCann to get 15 goals next season, April fools day is well past

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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 24 May 22:05

Take the bet then ? Money to DADSC




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Topic Originator: summeragent  
Date:   Tue 24 May 22:11

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Rusty Shackleford, Tue 24 May 15:24

I just can`t get my head around what folk were expecting?


Agree…I’m bewildered as well! So many disappointed people with no suggestion who they would have been happy with. At least JMc has won promotion to the premier after inheriting a bad team.

I can understand fans frustrations but let’s get behind him and win this league and beat Falkirk along the way. COYP!
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Topic Originator: KnebworthPar  
Date:   Tue 24 May 22:17

I’ll take that bet and raise you 20 goals. McCann scores less than 20 I donate £200 to DADSC , any more than 20 you pay per goal?

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Topic Originator: DNCH  
Date:   Wed 25 May 05:31

My knowledge of James McPake as a manager is that, aged 35, he inspired a group of difficult players to pull themselves across a finish line, amidst a revolting crowd, a difficult league and an unstable club. His time in the SPFL reminded me of McIntyre - who incorrectly rewarded the players who got him there - when we went up with acclaim and were realistically down before Jeffries (or McGhee in this case) could save us. That’s inexperience, poor guidance from above but not necessarily an indication that a young manager isn’t capable. I accept he had financial backing.

I’ll be supporting him and hoping he develops into a fine coach and, more importantly, develops a great, young, talented team for us in doing so. If it takes a couple of years to get back up, so be it. As David Cook said, it’s a “reset” moment for us.

I’m not trying to rehash the “at least we have a team” notion because we’re past that but what I don’t think we’ve had since administration is “at least” a team we’re proud to support. Time to fix that.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 25 May 07:11

Topic Originator: Grant like
Date: Tue 24 May 17:20

Grant, Tue 24 May 12:15

I’ll still give him a chance but I’m not going to fake being happy about it

Don`t you know that his whole tenure depends on you putting up a post welcoming him to EEP?

Grant, give over with the sarcastic posts - you`re better than that. Literally no one has said we should write a welcome post, but it certainly wouldn`t make him a worse manager.

It certainly won`t make him a better one either, it literally won`t matter either way, there`s no point as to fake being happy if you`re not.

I`ll still go to games when I can but there`s nothing about that appointment that makes me think we`re winning the league, or that the manager selection process has gotten any better. He won`t be as bad as Grant, but I`m doubtful as to whether he`ll be as "good" as Hughes.

I can`t argue with your last post because I can`t predict the future. Not sure how you can state with any certainty that he`ll come somewhere between Grant and Hughes, in terms of ability. I hope he`ll be a massive upgrade on both. They were so poor, the only way is up, as Yazz once sang.

Let`s give the man a chance and hopefully you`ll be eating your words with your Christmas dinner, eh? 🙂



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Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Wed 25 May 09:29

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KnebworthPar, Tue 24 May 22:17

I’ll take that bet and raise you 20 goals. McCann scores less than 20 I donate £200 to DADSC , any more than 20 you pay per goal?


On behalf of DADSC I love this - an each-way bet with DADSC winning either way!

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Topic Originator: summeragent  
Date:   Wed 25 May 10:11

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GG Riva, Wed 25 May 07:11

Topic Originator: Grant like
Date: Tue 24 May 17:20

Grant, Tue 24 May 12:15

I’ll still give him a chance but I’m not going to fake being happy about it

Don`t you know that his whole tenure depends on you putting up a post welcoming him to EEP?

Grant, give over with the sarcastic posts - you`re better than that. Literally no one has said we should write a welcome post, but it certainly wouldn`t make him a worse manager.

It certainly won`t make him a better one either, it literally won`t matter either way, there`s no point as to fake being happy if you`re not.

I`ll still go to games when I can but there`s nothing about that appointment that makes me think we`re winning the league, or that the manager selection process has gotten any better. He won`t be as bad as Grant, but I`m doubtful as to whether he`ll be as "good" as Hughes.

I can`t argue with your last post because I can`t predict the future. Not sure how you can state with any certainty that he`ll come somewhere between Grant and Hughes, in terms of ability. I hope he`ll be a massive upgrade on both. They were so poor, the only way is up, as Yazz once sang.

Let`s give the man a chance and hopefully you`ll be eating your words with your Christmas dinner, eh? 🙂


If not McPake, which appointment would make you happy then?
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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Wed 25 May 10:27

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GG Riva, Wed 25 May 07:11

Topic Originator: Grant like
Date: Tue 24 May 17:20

Grant, Tue 24 May 12:15

I’ll still give him a chance but I’m not going to fake being happy about it

Don`t you know that his whole tenure depends on you putting up a post welcoming him to EEP?

Grant, give over with the sarcastic posts - you`re better than that. Literally no one has said we should write a welcome post, but it certainly wouldn`t make him a worse manager.

It certainly won`t make him a better one either, it literally won`t matter either way, there`s no point as to fake being happy if you`re not.

I`ll still go to games when I can but there`s nothing about that appointment that makes me think we`re winning the league, or that the manager selection process has gotten any better. He won`t be as bad as Grant, but I`m doubtful as to whether he`ll be as "good" as Hughes.

I can`t argue with your last post because I can`t predict the future. Not sure how you can state with any certainty that he`ll come somewhere between Grant and Hughes, in terms of ability. I hope he`ll be a massive upgrade on both. They were so poor, the only way is up, as Yazz once sang.

Let`s give the man a chance and hopefully you`ll be eating your words with your Christmas dinner, eh? 🙂




Absolutely nothing would please me more than to see us scoosh the league this year and to have my posts quoted and laughed at. I genuinely beleive there`s not a single Pars fan who wants McPake to fail, there`s just differences in opinion with regards to how likely he is to succeed.
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Topic Originator: king lad  
Date:   Wed 25 May 10:46

I`m more positive than I was yesterday just letting it sink in. I think looking at the realistic pool of managers available to the club he was one of the best options that fit the criteria.

Has recent experience of managing a similarly sized club and getting them promoted into the premiership, albeit not that spectacularly but successfully all the same. A poor season in the premiership with a newly promoted team who did worse without him than with him is not exactly anything to be ashamed of.

I don`t have the same feeling of dread as when Grant was appointed last season and no outright narcissistic comments have come out just yet which is a positive. Hopefully some new faces in the coaching staff can bring some fresh ideas to the players that will remain from last season. The key thing as always will be the players that McPake manages to bring in and if they have the hunger and drive to grind out tough wins week in week out in what will be a difficult league.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 25 May 12:32

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king lad, Wed 25 May 10:46

I`m more positive than I was yesterday just letting it sink in. I think looking at the realistic pool of managers available to the club he was one of the best options that fit the criteria.

Has recent experience of managing a similarly sized club and getting them promoted into the premiership, albeit not that spectacularly but successfully all the same. A poor season in the premiership with a newly promoted team who did worse without him than with him is not exactly anything to be ashamed of.

I don`t have the same feeling of dread as when Grant was appointed last season and no outright narcissistic comments have come out just yet which is a positive. Hopefully some new faces in the coaching staff can bring some fresh ideas to the players that will remain from last season. The key thing as always will be the players that McPake manages to bring in and if they have the hunger and drive to grind out tough wins week in week out in what will be a difficult league.


King lad, I couldn`t help noticing that you keep putting up good, well reasoned posts. You`re going out on a limb on here. 😉



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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 25 May 13:16

The Dundee fan response to McPake seems mixed. Some think he should have stayed on, some think he should`ve been sacked sooner.

He doesn`t have much of a track record but then we`re not going to get an established AND successful manager whilst sitting in league 1 unless we pay a fortune.
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Wed 25 May 15:29

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jake89, Wed 25 May 13:16

The Dundee fan response to McPake seems mixed. Some think he should have stayed on, some think he should`ve been sacked sooner.

He doesn`t have much of a track record but then we`re not going to get an established AND successful manager whilst sitting in league 1 unless we pay a fortune.


What a surprise. Fitba forums eh?

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 25 May 15:41

Tell me about it. I`ll reserve my judgement until I see what he does with the squad. I don`t envy anyone trying to make a managerial appointment in football. You`ve got us lot on sidelines sniping away and they can`t tell us the truth a lot of the time. Lots of names have been mentioned but did they apply, could we afford them, were their plans good? We have to out trust in the board. They`ve cocked it up twice and they may c*ck it up a third time. Hopefully not, but there`s limited evidence to go on and the issue, as some have alluded to, may be about the players or the coaching or the running of the club.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Wed 25 May 15:49

Tbf parrot the one thing that would unite the pars support on dotnet is that Peter Grant is a terrible manager. So if nothing else we probably have an upgrade on last season if some Dundee fans are still batting for McPake. I’m heartened that they haven’t all trashed him tbh.

Imagine Grant was appointed to a job this week, we’d be rightly unified in our derision.

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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par  
Date:   Wed 25 May 15:52

Mcpake record as a manager is better than anyone we have had for some time. 41 percent win rate, 48 percent at home. He strikes me as hungry to succeed and will enjoy working closer to home. He lived away from his young family whilst managing Dundee and said that was difficult at times. Let’s draw a line and get right behind him. The constant negative chat needs a rest. The club won’t move forward unless we all get behind himself and the players. I have a good feeling about next season.
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Wed 25 May 15:56

Agree bannockburn, Mcpake has the job now, for better or worse, let’s at least let him build a squad and see them through a few games before we get negative about him. If we are top of the league after the first round of games a lot of our concerns will disappear.

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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Wed 25 May 16:53

Ref: KirklistonPar
Tue 24 May 17:52


< At least we’ve appointed a manger that’s won something recently. >



Would that be the Horses and Cattle Manger of the year award?

I love it when `manger` comes up, we`ve had some laughs in the past.

Well done Kirkliston for lifting the mood.



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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Wed 25 May 17:15

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Never10yairds, Wed 25 May 15:49

Tbf parrot the one thing that would unite the pars support on dotnet is that Peter Grant is a terrible manager. So if nothing else we probably have an upgrade on last season if some Dundee fans are still batting for McPake. I’m heartened that they haven’t all trashed him tbh.

Imagine Grant was appointed to a job this week, we’d be rightly unified in our derision.



He was funny though, I can now laugh at that statement about not sending in a c.v because it would blow anyone away. Guy was wild.
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 25 May 17:41

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Grant, Wed 25 May 17:15

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Never10yairds, Wed 25 May 15:49

Tbf parrot the one thing that would unite the pars support on dotnet is that Peter Grant is a terrible manager. So if nothing else we probably have an upgrade on last season if some Dundee fans are still batting for McPake. I’m heartened that they haven’t all trashed him tbh.

Imagine Grant was appointed to a job this week, we’d be rightly unified in our derision.



He was funny though, I can now laugh at that statement about not sending in a c.v because it would blow anyone away. Guy was wild.


Good for you, Grant. I must have had a humour bypass. I don`t find it funny at all - unless hubris is the new funny.



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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 25 May 17:41

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Bannockburn Par, Wed 25 May 15:52

Mcpake record as a manager is better than anyone we have had for some time. 41 percent win rate, 48 percent at home. He strikes me as hungry to succeed and will enjoy working closer to home. He lived away from his young family whilst managing Dundee and said that was difficult at times. Let’s draw a line and get right behind him. The constant negative chat needs a rest. The club won’t move forward unless we all get behind himself and the players. I have a good feeling about next season.


Excellent post, BP.



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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Wed 25 May 20:36

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GG Riva, Wed 25 May 17:41

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Grant, Wed 25 May 17:15

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Never10yairds, Wed 25 May 15:49

Tbf parrot the one thing that would unite the pars support on dotnet is that Peter Grant is a terrible manager. So if nothing else we probably have an upgrade on last season if some Dundee fans are still batting for McPake. I’m heartened that they haven’t all trashed him tbh.

Imagine Grant was appointed to a job this week, we’d be rightly unified in our derision.



He was funny though, I can now laugh at that statement about not sending in a c.v because it would blow anyone away. Guy was wild.


Good for you, Grant. I must have had a humour bypass. I don`t find it funny at all - unless hubris is the new funny.


What`s done is done, it`s just such sheer nonsense that I can`t help but laugh at it.
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 Re: James McPake
Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Wed 25 May 23:07

I am for getting behind Mcpake. Give the guy a chance . Can`t be any worse than what`s gone on before.
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