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 It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: tappies par  
Date:   Fri 27 May 08:46

I don’t know the reasons why these guys have left but for me I thought that Coll Donaldson & Dan Pybus were our best players and I would have been happy if we had resigned them both. Things are really bad if we can’t compete with Falkirk. I would have built my team around these guys. Pybus being told by text that he isn’t wanted is a poor show and Donaldson signing for our biggest rivals is worrying. Dylan Easton signing for Raith is the kind of player I would have liked to have seen at East End. McPake must have some awesome signings lined up to let 2 of our best players leave. I realise the season has not long finished but other clubs are already selling season tickets and offering renewals. Other teams have also released their new strips for next season. We are already falling behind.

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: Cleveland12  
Date:   Fri 27 May 08:54

This is nonsense. Donaldson wasn’t ours to keep and clearly didn’t want to wait around for a deal, our manager only signed on Tuesday night. As much as he’s liked, Pybus is a major part of why we are down and we’ve got to move players on and start fresh. Easton signing for a team in the top half of the championship opposed to a league 1 rebuild job is hardly surprising either.

Keep the heid and let things play out.


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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: Connor560  
Date:   Fri 27 May 08:56

Donaldson was on loan, he wasn`t our player to sign again and it leaves him completely open to sign for who he wants.

Pybus situation doesn`t sound great but it`s coach preference, maybe isn`t fancied by McPake.

Easton had been speaking with Partick back in March, signed for Raith and obviously wants ti play at the highest level he can.

C'mon Ye Pars!
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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Fri 27 May 08:58

I’ll wait until closer to the start of the season to pass judgement. I’d have liked to have had Donaldson signed for next season though, we will go a long way to sign a better centre back.

Pybus I’m on the fence about. Potentially a decent squad player, good work rate but not the most technically gifted. There are better midfielders out there, whether we sign them or not is another matter.

I’d have liked to have signed Dylan Easton but we probably struggle to be more attractive than the rovers as a destination at this point.

The worrying thing is the worst of last seasons dross is still signed for another year. Can we find a way to get some of them out the door to free up wages to sign better?

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: evo!  
Date:   Fri 27 May 08:59

Pybus did his best, but isnt that great, so no big lost. His player of the year really was awarded for being an "A for effort " kind of performer. Nothing wrong with that, but better will be out there.

Donaldson wasn`t ours, i would have been open to signing him, its a shame he and Watson look an effective centre back pairing for falkirk. But just cause it looks that way, doesnt mean it will be a success.

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: hudza  
Date:   Fri 27 May 09:15

Couldn’t fault Pybus for work rate and effort but ultimately he is nowhere near good enough. I liked Donaldson but like others have mentioned we were in between managers and he hasn’t hung about when having a concrete offer on the table.

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: Par-timer  
Date:   Fri 27 May 11:14

The criticisms of Pybus seem unfairly harsh. He was a CDM, and I would imagine that his “tackles won” stats would have ranked pretty high in the Championship last season if such info was gathered at that level. No-one expects the great N’Golo Kante to play defence-splitting passes (of his near twelve thousand passes for Chelsea, his “big chances created” stat is only twenty!), yet our CDM is now criticised on various threads for this aspect of his game! Pybus was arguably the type of player we were missing in the Nisbet/McManus/Clark years when we had a ‘soft’ centre. Unless replaced, he will be sorely missed, in my opinion.

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Fri 27 May 11:20

Season tickets not on sale, that’s the clubs major income stream every season. No sign of new strips either, another big seller for the club. Other teams making signings and shaping their squads as we are playing catch up.

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: Gaz3822  
Date:   Fri 27 May 11:30

For as much as these players were limited in quality, they both showed the right attitude and left everything on the park. This is the type of player we need right now.
So I`d have been happy with them in this division.

We still have players on the books who didn`t do that who I`d liked to have seen gone before them.

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Fri 27 May 11:40

The thing is Gaz, Grant signed them to two year deals so we are unlikely to be able to get them all out this summer. Hopefully some of them go though. Dorrans and Mehmet in particular.

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Fri 27 May 11:43

"Dylan Easton signing for Raith is the kind of player I would have liked to have seen at East End Park" Quote Tappiespar.


If I was a Raith fan reading that I`d be shouting all the way from Abbotshall Road "WHO`S THE WEE TEAM NOO?"



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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: Cleveland12  
Date:   Fri 27 May 12:01

On Kits and Season tickets:

Alloa are the only team in the league to have unveiled their new strip so far. Last year we released ours on the 2nd of June.

Last year Season tickets went on sale June 9th according to the official site.

Given its only May 27th lets drop all the "Playing catch up" rubbish.


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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Fri 27 May 12:16

6 years ago today we had sold 1800 season tickets. Now we don’t even know when they’ll be on sale. Yes they were later last year but that was due to clubs getting guidance for crowds etc

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 27 May 12:31

What do we want to hear first - news of JMcP`s first signing or news of the new ST and walk-up prices? Whichever it is someone won`t be pleased.

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Fri 27 May 12:32

Well considering season tickets sales make up most of a managers budget, I’d have thought getting them on sale asap would’ve made logical sense

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 27 May 12:35

Do you think fans will buy them without knowing something about the make-up of the squad?

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: ParfectXI  
Date:   Fri 27 May 12:46

Tbh we wouldn’t be able to sign players while the managers job was in doubt, therefore while we dithered about deciding whether to keep Hughes or not, there would have been no movement on players. That’s almost 2 weeks lost, 2 weeks where players have no idea what is happening next season so will clearly take a guaranteed contract over a ‘maybe’. Now McPake has come in he’s got to start afresh. Personally I would have offered a contract to Donaldson but he’s got to think of himself and his family first so I don’t blame him for going to Falkirk, I blame the Directors for the 2 weeks wasted with Hughes. I also would’ve loved to see Pybus stay, he’s a proper battler who always gave absolutely everything in a team that looked rudderless and bereft of confidence, he could’ve done a top job in league one. Hopefully he doesn’t come back to bite us in the butt!

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Fri 27 May 12:52

Well there you go wee eck, more delay not knowing about the players due to the board not acting quicker getting rid of Hughes

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Fri 27 May 13:01

The budget will have a projection of season ticket sales, they don`t need to start selling them to create the budget. The budget might change slightly depending on sales (or possibly not) but the fact x number of season ticket sales happened six years ago is completely irrelevant.

Comparing this season to the season where we won the league in March and had over two months to plan our finances vs just being relegated two weeks ago just shows how little folk on here actually understand how businesses work.
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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Fri 27 May 13:07

There will be news on season tickets in early june there is no need to panic and remember the manager will need to evaluate who is staying and who is going before we look into adding to the squad this will not be a quick fix patience is required
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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: evo!  
Date:   Fri 27 May 13:13

Quick glance on cows shows grant and mccabes arrival more or less were the same, and first signing Todorov last year was June 15th. Now granted last season is no way a great inidcator of the right way to do things i admit, but so far we are hardly floundering

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks  
Date:   Fri 27 May 13:20

Evidently our situation will mean that other teams have the jump on us as regards the playing side, the shirts and tickets not being on sale at this time is nothing new.
What I do think it highlights is again the lack of interaction from the club, why not publish a list of dates(season tickets, players back in training,maybe an open training session, kit launch, first friendly, open days etc.) it`s an opportunity to build bridges that have been created by some of the poor decisions off the field last season. The team up the road are keeping their fans informed including contract negotiations, come on Dunfermline keep your support engaged.

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: Pars11  
Date:   Fri 27 May 13:33

James McPake needs a chance to settle in. Players moving on is good, we got relegated with a team that looked lost in front of goal and on occasion in our own penalty area. Role on the many changes needed.

Bluebell Polka
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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par  
Date:   Fri 27 May 13:50

I echo the manager just started a couple days ago and won’t be even close to signing players. Coaching staff maybe priority one. He will also be extremely busy looking at what he needs to reshape the squad. I imagine signings won’t happen for at least a couple weeks. Fans have got take a step back and let the new manager start the rebuilding process. It could take 2 seasons to sort the shambles out he has been left. Not many players deserve to remain at the club in all honesty. Patience needed from all of us.
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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Fri 27 May 14:22

Those are all very good ideas westies.

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: alwaysaPar  
Date:   Fri 27 May 15:19

Quote:

Paralex, Fri 27 May 11:43

"Dylan Easton signing for Raith is the kind of player I would have liked to have seen at East End Park" Quote Tappiespar.


If I was a Raith fan reading that I`d be shouting all the way from Abbotshall Road "WHO`S THE WEE TEAM NOO?"



They are, they always have been and always will be..........
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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 27 May 15:41

I demand a board statement.
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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: DNCH  
Date:   Fri 27 May 15:50

I think this time around we appointed a manager pretty early who will have the whole summer to build a squad. Last time around I recall being worried that Grant was leaving it very late to get people in. We should be targeting good players from the teams around us in League 1 and sprinkle in some Championship quality. I wouldn`t mind a few senior leaders in the squad but I`d be surprised if one of them was Dorrans. He`s under contract and I`d give him another go but he`d need to seriously show something this time around.

I`d bite your hand off for Chris Burke who`s a model pro but I`d be surprised if teams in a better position didn`t want him on board as a tone setter.

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: Gadgie59  
Date:   Fri 27 May 16:13

I don’t think anyone who was part of the setup at EEP for season 21/22 will be using it as a springboard to greater things …. if I was a Morton or Ayr fan (arbitrarily selected, mediocre, teams that stayed in the Championship), I doubt I’d be overly excited about signing someone from the team that’s just been relegated.

Queens Park? Personally I hope they do well; they have an amazing history and their continued presence in Scottish football is a positive thing (I think) …. Can they go on and outperform Patrick, Hamilton etc? Who knows?

As for comparisons with Falkirk and Raith … frankly, I would say it has been that sort of mindset that has led us to where we are now. I’d prefer it if they worried about us, rather than vice-versa anyway.

Considering what we’ve all been through, I don’t think a wee bit patience is out of place. The strip? How about black & white stripes, home AND away; with a second strip of a solid colour when we NEED a change? Season tickets will likely, in the main, belong to the usual suspects …. a population that increases with success and will almost certainly be a lot lower for 22/23.


“Football is a beautiful game,
It should be played beautifully.”
Brian Clough.
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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: Never10yairds  
Date:   Fri 27 May 16:35

One thing we can offer that most teams in league one can’t is full time football. I know airdrie have a mix of full time and part time and Falkirk are full time.

If we aren’t promoted within a couple of seasons I could see us implementing a hybrid system like airdrie to allow us to sign some of the better part time players available. I know the rovers did this (and maybe still do?).

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 27 May 17:50

Wur doomed! 🥸

“The only way is up” used to blare out of the EEP tannoy many moons ago.
I think we’re needing a big dollop o it noo!

”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Fri 27 May 20:41

I get the underlying sentiment of the thread and it’s something I agree with, football sometimes works out like that, pybus has to go to make space for new recruits while chalmers is kept on as he has a contract, I think we all know which one should the one staying.

Donaldson would have been a good signing, we need a captain for this team and so still need an experienced head at at the back to organise and keep the lads going.

Things will be looking up……..now yogi is gone!

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: thebear  
Date:   Tue 31 May 00:51

start afresh, no goals scored poor forwards, let them go
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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: Parsfangaz  
Date:   Tue 31 May 09:02

Quote:

thebear, Tue 31 May 00:51

start afresh, no goals scored poor forwards, let them go


let them go where ? they are under contract so won’t go anywhere unless they get offers. Nonsense statement.
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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: par-91  
Date:   Tue 31 May 10:13

Quote:

Cleveland12, Fri 27 May 12:01

On Kits and Season tickets:

Alloa are the only team in the league to have unveiled their new strip so far. Last year we released ours on the 2nd of June.

Last year Season tickets went on sale June 9th according to the official site.

Given its only May 27th lets drop all the "Playing catch up" rubbish.


To be fair to those complaining, the kits were actually announced on the 26th May and pre-orders were taken from the Friday (28th May). So I’m not sure where your 2nd June date comes from. I’m not fussed about kit reveals being delayed though.

Season tickets were different last year, as they were waiting for assurances fans would be allowed in. That shouldn’t be a concern this year. Pre-covid, season ticket announcements were early May. Early bird deals would have ended this week in those years, so we are quite far behind on that.

2019 - sales began 10th May, early bird ended 1st June
2018 - sales began 9th May, early bird ended 2nd June
2017 - sales began 9th May, early bird ended 3rd June.

We used to get told that getting the ticket income in May was crucial for planning for the season/funding signings, which is why they had the early bird offers.
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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Tue 31 May 13:21

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wee eck, Fri 27 May 12:35

Do you think fans will buy them without knowing something about the make-up of the squad?


It’s only a few weeks ago that you pretty much told us that that club didn’t need the fans money as it had other forms of income so it shouldn’t really matter a jot if we buy season tickets or not the manager will have his budget from all the other income sources

Come on ye pars ⚽️
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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: Ditch  
Date:   Tue 31 May 15:32

Can`t very well start selling season books when you`ve no certainty which league you`ll be in. So I`m willing to back the club`s decision to hold off until they know that outcome.

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 Re: It’s not looking good.
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 31 May 16:39

Topic Originator: back oh the net like
Date: Tue 31 May 13:21

`It’s only a few weeks ago that you pretty much told us that that club didn’t need the fans money as it had other forms of income so it shouldn’t really matter a jot if we buy season tickets or not the manager will have his budget from all the other income sources`

I don`t remember posting that. I did post this though :-

`Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 19 May 20:36

Getting a season ticket is always a gamble so this season isn`t really that different. Of course not buying one probably means a smaller recruitment budget which could affect the standard and/or number of players we attract which in turn could affect our chances of promotion.`

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