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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 28 May 20:02
Should be an entertaining, high quality final once it actually gets underway. Kick off delayed by at least fifteen minutes after Liverpool fans clash with police outside the stadium and tear gas was used.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Sat 28 May 20:04
It`s never their fault!
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 28 May 20:11
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 28 May 20:02
Should be an entertaining, high quality final once it actually gets underway. Kick off delayed by at least fifteen minutes after Liverpool fans clash with police outside the stadium and tear gas was used.
I`m watching on an Italian channel to avoid having to listen Steve McManaman and they`ve said the delay is to allow fans who are late to get in to the stadium.
Real have enjoyed plenty of good luck to get this far - I think it will run out tonight. Scousers for me TOWK. You`ll be pleased to hear that with my prediction record. π
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 28 May 20:12
C`mon the mighty reds!
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sat 28 May 20:16
Scousers trying to get in without tickets? Quelle surprise.
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Topic Originator: elvis_lives
Date: Sat 28 May 20:18
It`s the same as the European championship final.
Utter scum storming their way in.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 28 May 20:19
Can`t stand Klopp and Liverpool but they`ll win this comfortably
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 28 May 20:24
GG I had entirely forgot that McManaman was going to be on the commentary team. Terrible news.
Hard to look past Liverpool who might have to much going forward for Real but then again Madrid are no mugs and it would hardly be a surprise if they won the title or the fourteenth time.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 28 May 20:24
Quote:
elvis_lives, Sat 28 May 20:18
It`s the same as the European championship final.
Utter scum storming their way in.
Is it not a sell out? Fans who get in without tickets won`t find a seat, will they? I wouldn`t imagine the French police will be as softly softly as their London counterparts.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 28 May 20:30
Think it`s a bit too soon to speculate on what is going on exactly. Certainly the BBC reporters outside seem to be suggesting it`s the authorities who are at fault. Mind you the beeb is notoriously pro Liverpool.
If English fans have once again stormed the gates (I know I said it`s too soon to speculate!) then it would continue the trend with fans in and around English clubs being increasingly disruptive.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 28 May 20:33
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 28 May 20:30
Think it`s a bit too soon to speculate on what is going on exactly. Certainly the BBC reporters outside seem to be suggesting it`s the authorities who are at fault. Mind you the beeb is notoriously pro Liverpool.
If English fans have once again stormed the gates (I know I said it`s too soon to speculate!) then it would continue the trend with fans in and around English clubs being increasingly disruptive.
Canale 5 has now announced that some Liverpool fans have been trying to force their way in and the Gendarmes have not held back in repelling them.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Sat 28 May 20:34
I`m not a Liverpool fan, but I think it would be very wrong to believe the authorities until we hear the stories tomorrow.
Stories of ticketless fans and fans turning up late is perfect to shift the blame from the organisers.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 28 May 20:34
Is the game on Council TV ?
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 28 May 20:38
Quote:
Buspasspar, Sat 28 May 20:34
Is the game on Council TV ?
No it`s on BT Sport, BPP, but you can watch it on You Tube
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Topic Originator: parak obama
Date: Sat 28 May 20:38
Quote:
Buspasspar, Sat 28 May 20:34
Is the game on Council TV ?
Free on YouTube
[IMG]https://share2.co.uk/f/1152_471_P300411_16.49_[02].jpg[/IMG]
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 28 May 20:39
Cheers Guys
This from the Beeb
Dominic King from the Daily Mail speaking to BBC Radio 5 Live: "I have been back out to turnstile Y which is right behind the Liverpool end. I have spoken to a number of them about their experiences. They have been pepper sprayed by the French police. There a re kids in the queue, old people in the queue. they have been there two hours.
"It came from nowhere. The anger the people feel in terms of how they have been treated...I need to get this point over. There has been no violence or antagonism they are just dismayed by how the authorities have treated them.
"The anger of the people I have spoken to is like nothing I have experienced. It is a failing of the authorities and police with how they are being looked after outside.
"There have been some fans that have tried to get in, I`d be disingenuous to say that was not the case but not like groups or anything like Wembley. This treatment is entirely in one direction."
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 28 May 20:59
Only one team in it so far.....
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Sat 28 May 21:01
Looking at the gangways in the Real end they are clear The Liverpool end you can hardly see them.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 28 May 21:25
Quote:
Par, Sat 28 May 20:04
It`s never their fault!
ππ
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 28 May 22:35
Thought the Red`s were gonna win by 3 goals tonight ?
Well that`s what the pundits said 2 hours ago....
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 28 May 22:35
Liverpool created the better chances but for large parts of the second half Real never looked overly stretched and they defended superbly.
Five minutes ago the Liverpool fans were singing YNWA and now they`re filing out of the stadium in their droves.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Sat 28 May 22:44
Real Madrid were the better team there is more than one way to control a final
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Sat 28 May 22:46
Owen is embarrassing himself here π
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Sat 28 May 22:58
Quote:
londonparsfan, Sat 28 May 22:46
Owen is embarrassing himself here π
Completely agree that was just pathetic
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 28 May 23:10
Get it right up them
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: cfad
Date: Sat 28 May 23:17
Courtios deserved his winners medal for sure. Goals decide games
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Topic Originator: Lambo1885
Date: Sat 28 May 23:47
Quote:
cfad, Sat 28 May 23:17
Courtios deserved his winners medal for sure. Goals decide games
And Madrid got 2 of then π
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sun 29 May 00:17
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 28 May 22:35
Liverpool created the better chances but for large parts of the second half Real never looked overly stretched and they defended superbly.
Five minutes ago the Liverpool fans were singing YNWA and now they`re filing out of the stadium in their droves.
You`re hatred towards Liverpool always shines through in the end in-between your mealy mouthed platitudes.
Fair play for having a way of words though. π
Zwei Pints Bier und ein PΓ€ckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 29 May 01:03
I hope it does shine through. At no time do I attempt to hide the contempt I feel towards the Anfield outfit and I`d be sorely disappointed if at any time anyone was left in any doubt over that.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sun 29 May 04:44
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sun 29 May 01:03
I hope it does shine through. At no time do I attempt to hide the contempt I feel towards the Anfield outfit and I`d be sorely disappointed if at any time anyone was left in any doubt over that.
It`s not always apparent it shines through with UTD in our shadows year in year out. ;)
Zwei Pints Bier und ein PΓ€ckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 29 May 06:54
I really don`t get why, if you support one particular team, you have to hate another and its fans even more - Man U and Liverpool being particularly good examples. I thought Liverpool would win and were a bit unlucky to find Courtois in such fine form, but he only did his job and I didn`t lose any sleep over the result.
With regard to the off field matters, we don`t know the full facts but that hasn`t stopped some posters from wading in with their ill considered judgements. Certainly, a proportion of Liverpool fans are no angels and their behaviour may have been questionable. UEFA have said that the turnstiles became jammed when fans tried to get in with fake tickets. Did this only happen for the sections allocated to Liverpool fans? A poster pointed out that the Real areas did not look overcrowded.
The Gendarmerie will no doubt come in for criticism from the British media, given their notorious reputation in dealing with civil disorder incidents. The media will also be reluctant to lay the blame on the Liverpool fans, with the painful memories of Hillsborough still fresh in the mind.
I`ll wait until the findings of a subsequent investigation are published before making up my mind. Fortunately, nobody died this time.
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Post Edited (Sun 29 May 06:55)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 29 May 08:21
Good post G.G.
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 29 May 08:45
https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/29/uefa-champions-league-final-the-real-story-of-the-carnage-liverpool-fans-faced-in-paris-16730799/
It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 29 May 08:50
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sun 29 May 08:45
https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/29/uefa-champions-league-final-the-real-story-of-the-carnage-liverpool-fans-faced-in-paris-16730799/
Well that puts a rather different perspective on it.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sun 29 May 09:10
β..forced to spend an hour in 22 degree heatβ¦.β πππ
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 29 May 09:14
That is a very sad and sobering read Raymie Thanks for sharing .. It has made me Angry I hope there will be an enquiry and justice done ... but I doubt it :-(
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 29 May 09:22
Interesting that in the article he stated "More fans arrived as kick-off approached, and an increasing number of local teenagers decided to chance their arm at climbing the barriers to enter the stadium."
So it wasn`t Liverpool fans that scaled the fences it was them dirty locals who had been waiting for the English to mass at the turnstiles before making their move. Which would of course see them viewing the game in the Liverpool end.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: elvis_lives
Date: Sun 29 May 09:41
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sun 29 May 09:22
Interesting that in the article he stated "More fans arrived as kick-off approached, and an increasing number of local teenagers decided to chance their arm at climbing the barriers to enter the stadium."
So it wasn`t Liverpool fans that scaled the fences it was them dirty locals who had been waiting for the English to mass at the turnstiles before making their move. Which would of course see them viewing the game in the Liverpool end.
They climbed on the Liverpool fans halos to get that extra bit higher to help get over the fence.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 29 May 10:24
To be fair having watched some of the footage on YouTube, some of it from French media sources, it does to my eye look like locals were heavily involved in a lot of the disruption.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: allparone
Date: Sun 29 May 10:52
Theyβre going ahead with the open top bus tour later. The players will be looking forward to that :-)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 29 May 11:01
I see Herr Klopp has told Liverpool fans to book their hotels for next years final in Istanbul. Well I`m sure that arrogant statement won`t be replayed any time next season.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 29 May 11:10
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sun 29 May 11:01
I see Herr Klopp has told Liverpool fans to book their hotels for next years final in Istanbul. Well I`m sure that arrogant statement won`t be replayed any time next season.
As an objective neutral, I think he was merely trying to raise the dejected spirits of fans and players, but you pays your money.....π
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 29 May 13:48
Quote:
Tad Allagash, Sun 29 May 09:10
β..forced to spend an hour in 22 degree heatβ¦.β πππ
That might seem laughable but if the ambient temperature is 22Β°C and you`re crammed into a confined space with lots of other people, I can imagine it would be almost unbearable - no matter which team you support.
If you additionally think you`re going to miss the start of your team`s CL Final, well as a Pars fan, I can`t begin to imagine what that must be like. π
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Topic Originator: purekozma
Date: Sun 29 May 14:48
I wanted Robertson to do well but was average on the night any set pieces that don`t get past first defender are a crime and he was posted missing to left back when the cross came in from that side for the goal.
They could have done with Charlie Adam he can beat Courtois for fun, doesn`t even need to be in same half ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIvSyrH4Ng
βLeague 1 title winners 2023.β
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Topic Originator: Johan_Cruyff
Date: Sun 29 May 16:25
Luka modric and Toni kroos were absolutely different class. Strolled it, so composed on the ball.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 30 May 16:38
If anything GG that seems to damn the Liverpool fans even more. I`m guessing these Liverpool fans didn`t buy the fraudulent tickets from official sources?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Mon 30 May 16:45
said upthread, didnt seem to be gaps in the Madrid end or overcrowding in gangways there compared to the Red sectors of the ground. French police deliberately targeting the scouse (not english...their own reference!) but not the Spaniards or a club with a history of unsavory fan related incidents once again showing suspect behaviour?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 30 May 16:49
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 30 May 16:38
If anything GG that seems to damn the Liverpool fans even more. I`m guessing these Liverpool fans didn`t buy the fraudulent tickets from official sources?
Who knows, TOWK? Some will have known they were dodgy, others may well have been duped, paying well over the odds from unscrupulous touts.
Here`s yet another version :-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61633840
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 30 May 16:55
Quote:
Playup_Pompey, Mon 30 May 16:45
said upthread, didnt seem to be gaps in the Madrid end or overcrowding in gangways there compared to the Red sectors of the ground. French police deliberately targeting the scouse (not english...their own reference!) but not the Spaniards or a club with a history of unsavory fan related incidents once again showing suspect behaviour?
Yea, I saw that, too, PuP. There`s no doubt there were more Liverpool fans at the game than their ticket allocation allowed, but I prefer to wait until any investigation is concluded before putting the boot in.
Liverpool fans are still associated with the Heysel tragedy, when hooliganism was at its peak in English football. Many of the fans in Paris weren`t even born then.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Mon 30 May 17:51
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 30 May 16:38
If anything GG that seems to damn the Liverpool fans even more. I`m guessing these Liverpool fans didn`t buy the fraudulent tickets from official sources?
I nipped out of work at lunchtime and heard on the radio what sounded like a middle aged woman tell of her experience. Coming out of the metro at the stadium she was targeted by muggers who knocked her ticket out of her hand then offered to help by picking it up but swapped it for a fake in the process. Then she got caught up in the huge crush. Her whole experience sounded horrendous. She admitted that although the stewards took pity on her and let her in, she was a blubbering mess (her words) and she just wanted to go home.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 30 May 18:47
I wonder what sort of angle those muggers were playing? You d think after having gotten their hands on the ticket, which was their prize, they would just be offski instead of going through the charade of helping the woman and switching the tickets with a phoney. Kudos to the officials for letting someone with a counterfeit ticket into the stadium.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 30 May 19:08
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 30 May 18:47
I wonder what sort of angle those muggers were playing? You d think after having gotten their hands on the ticket, which was their prize, they would just be offski instead of going through the charade of helping the woman and switching the tickets with a phoney. Kudos to the officials for letting someone with a counterfeit ticket into the stadium.
You sound like you believe the woman JTH heard on the radio was making it all up. Maybe she was, but if so, why not make up something more plausible?
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Mon 30 May 19:30
Man Utd fans never make things up of course π
Zwei Pints Bier und ein PΓ€ckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Mon 30 May 20:14
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 30 May 18:47
I wonder what sort of angle those muggers were playing? You d think after having gotten their hands on the ticket, which was their prize, they would just be offski instead of going through the charade of helping the woman and switching the tickets with a phoney. Kudos to the officials for letting someone with a counterfeit ticket into the stadium.
The angle`s much more sophisticated than you assume. A straightforward mugging leads to a scene, and their rich pickings are compromised for short time. This method is like pickpocketing. The target doesn`t know anything untoward has happened, the genuine ticket quickly gets handed off to another member of the gang who runs it to a tout closeby for converting into big bucks. And the cycle gets repeated.
Post Edited (Mon 30 May 21:05)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Mon 30 May 20:23
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 30 May 18:47
I wonder what sort of angle those muggers were playing? You d think after having gotten their hands on the ticket, which was their prize, they would just be offski instead of going through the charade of helping the woman and switching the tickets with a phoney. Kudos to the officials for letting someone with a counterfeit ticket into the stadium.
Kudos to the stewards for letting someone with a counterfeit ticket in? No, get them sacked
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Mon 30 May 21:10
Quote:
red-star-par, Mon 30 May 20:23
Kudos to the stewards for letting someone with a counterfeit ticket in? No, get them sacked
Depends whether it`s your relative I suppose.
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