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 Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 13:43

Big game tonight, with more eyes on it than Scotland are used to.

I`d be supporting Ukraine against anybody else but tonight I`ll be on the same side as Putin for a change!

Can we do it? I hope so.


"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 13:50

Scotland all the way but if we do get beat then I’ll be supporting Ukraine against Wales
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: parsfan  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 13:58

Huge opportunity for the tartan army tonight. Don`t boo their national anthem - sing it.

The world (well, the non-Russian Euro centric parts of it) will love you for it and not hate us so much for knocking them out.

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: par-ticular  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 14:29

Sorry, hugs and arms round shoulders after game either way. No encouragement before hand (btw I never disrespect anyones National Anthem so wouldn’t boo)
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Ben,D.A  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 16:43

Catch 22. We win We`re damned. We lose, the teams sh^^

only 11 make the team,the rest can just but dream.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 18:55

STV doing their news live from Hampden Park, pity they`re still not there at 8.00pm!!!
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 18:56

Get them pumped.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: par58  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 19:17

Only available on Sky TV another kick in the teeth to Scottish football supporters.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 19:21

Starting 11 more or less as expected.

The bench?

Only Christie can offer something if we are chasing the game.

Would like to have seen Turnbull or even Campbell on the bench…..

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: DrumRoad  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 19:40

Watching the run up to the game, you would think this was being broadcast by the Ukrainian Broadcasting Corporation, Scotland are only playing a bit part in this

We really are on a hiding to nothing tonight, as someone else said “damned if we do & damned if we don’t” All it needs is for the situation to be playing on one or two Scotland players minds & transferring that uncertainty onto the park

On the field of battle we are on the same side but on the pitch we should be adversaries……….. Anything else & it won’t work & it’s not fair to expect this of our team tonight

Where’s the ref from? & what’s going through his mind?

To be clear, I’m 100% behind Ukraines fight with the Russian aggressor but this is a game of football & there are 2 sides playing for success

If we win the game tonight that’s a huge mind game win also, However we then go forward against Wales as the victors over poor Ukraine!!

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 19:50

The country who are currently fighting for their freedom v the country who voted against their freedom

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 19:57

^

This democracy thing has its limitations right enough.

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 19:59

Craig Gordon is outstanding
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Parsweep  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 20:07

Quote:

dafc-chris1, Wed 1 Jun 19:59

Craig Gordon is outstanding


Looks like he`s going to have to be .
We`re creating very little .

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 20:08

Out defense is all over the place
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 20:17

Our final ball is so poor

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Beeches Par  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 20:21

Great finish but defence all over the place

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Parsweep  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 20:22

It was coming . They`ve been the better team by far so far .

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 20:22

Saw that coming a mile away

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 20:28

This is like watching Dunfermline play… too slow, losing the midfield battles, no penetration, sideways or backward passes
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 20:31

Even Dunfermline would run rings around this Scotland team they are absolute garbage
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 20:32

Two up top eh
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 20:40

We need to take dykes off and bring Christie on this isn`t working
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 20:42

What did the goal look like on TV? Seemed like a pretty simple straight ball to deal with but we`ve had the sun in our eyes for the first half which has made it tricky to see the whole of the field.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 20:44

Hate football
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: k76  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 20:54

Game over 2nd best all over the pitch.

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 20:55

Ffs

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 20:57

This is getting embarrassing
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: dave67  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 20:58

Looks like I`ll be cheering Wales at the weekend then

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 21:01

Absolute shambles. What on earth was he thinking starting a centre mid at centre back who has always been caught out there and not giving two in form centre backs (McKenna and Souttar) a chance. After all the hard work of getting there we`ve completely embarrassed ourselves when it really mattered. Absolute joke yet again but at least Souness can cheer his team on again Wales.

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 21:03

Well given we’re as good as out, I hope Ukraine pump wales next week…

reduces our embarrassment factor and would be good to see them in the World Cup
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Beeches Par  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 21:11

McGinn absolute sitter

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Parfect69  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 21:13

Too little too late
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Beeches Par  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 21:22

Quote:

Parfect69, Wed 1 Jun 21:13

Too little too late


Looks like it

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 21:24

Game on!!!!

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 21:41

game over ! well done Ukraine miles better than an inept Scottish side. 3-1 flattered us .

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 21:42

I hate fitbaw

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Parsfangaz  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 21:44

Quote:

dave67, Wed 01 Jun 20:58

Looks like I`ll be cheering Wales at the weekend then


wouldn’t cheer wales if they were playing Russia
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 21:50

Best won could easily have been 4 or 5
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 21:54

Quote:

dafc-chris1, Wed 1 Jun 21:50

Best won could easily have been 4 or 5


Yep. Taught a lesson.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: cfad  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 21:59

Gutted, but at least Scotland gave us some hope this season
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 21:59

Poor performance when it really mattered. Best team won.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 22:00

Quote:

Jeffery, Wed 1 Jun 20:32

Two up top eh


Good point. Wrong formation tonight

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Bazzler1981  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 22:01

TF Scotland dini do season tickets or yous would aw be wanting to hand them in tae 🤣🤣

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 22:08

Utterly woeful. Wrong team to start. One paced and pedestrian, chasing shadows.

Gilmour ? Why? McGinn and Robertson were even poor and with Tierney and Patterson missing we had no one to make things happen.

The bench? As I alluded to before KO had nobody who could turn the game, apart from maybe Christie.

Two keepers and I think five defenders on the bench…..a virtually untried striker and an untried striker….Turnbull should have been there…maybe injured though?

Dykes? Sorry not good enough at this level.

Let’s hope they can at least put in a shift in these three Nations league games, because that performance tonight was simply woeful.

Only saving grace was at least we can’t get knocked out at the final hurdle now.

Don’t think we would have beaten Wales anyway…..even on a good night.

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 22:23

Quote:

buffy, Wed 1 Jun 21:42

I hate fitbaw


I’m with you in that… I’m scunnered with the whole thing right now. Terrible season going out with a whimper and now the national team doing the same.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 22:23

No complaints, best team won.Think we were so bloody nieve.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 22:31

I was talking to two bekilted Anglo Scots last night in Argyle Street who had come up specially for the game. I feel very sorry for them after that performance. The Ukrainian sports journalist who wrote Scotland off before a ball was kicked seems to know what he was talking about.

But never mind, my former team, Yoker Athletic are in the Scottish Junior cup final on Saturday at Rugby Park, live on Alba at 4.10, against Auchinleck Talbot. Come on ye Whey Ho(not much of a nickname but never mind.) A total disaster of a season may be redeemed if Yoker can write their name on the cup. For me at least.



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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: doctordandruff  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 23:56

Spent all year watching a passive team made up of the wrong players in the wrong formation chuck in the towel. So disappointed to see Scotland continue the trend.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: par-ticular  
Date:   Wed 1 Jun 23:59

Well thank goodness that’s over! Just back from Hampden and I congratulate Ukraine on winning the match but….The Ukrainian appreciation society moves to Wales. We were beaten before a ball was kicked:-
1. Former Scotland captain supporting Ukraine
2. We’ve asked by some to sing the Ukrainian NA.
3. Pitchside compère wishes BOTH sides luck!!!
4. We’re asked to pick the best Ukrainian player and donate.
5. just in case Ukraine need motivation we’re shown a video of war torn childrens playground on the big screens around the park! And a chat from their First Lady.
WTF organised that!
It’s a football match ffs.
Good luck Wales, you’re next.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 00:11

To be honest mate I don`t any of that was really a factor. We were miles off it today. Formation didn`t seem to work too well first half, defensively we were poor, our midfield weren`t great for long spells and Che Adams seemed to be leading a one or a two man press that allowed them to be played around as no-one else backed them up as it seemed half the team were sitting which rendered it ineffective.

Had a decent 10 minute spell but we need to take chances like the McGinn chance when we`re behind. Gordon was top drawer and Adams worked hard but I don`t think there were too many other pass marks out there today. We were just poor all round.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 00:22

We gave them far too much respect.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 00:25

Had this game taken place went it was supposed to then I think it would have been a totally different outcome big grant Hanley should have flattened one of their top boys right at the start and showed them what they were up against

Come on ye pars ⚽️
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: par-ticular  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 00:45

I agree with your assessment. We were very poor that I wont deny.
I’ve followed Scotland since 1950’s Sat through some horrible times, doom and gloom but never experienced anything like the things I listed above afforded to an opposition team at Hampden. Even World Champions didn’t get half of the above !
I will watch on Sunday to see if Wales do the same pre- match, and will just shake my head mumble into my Horlicks and go back to following the pars !!!
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: par-ticular  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 00:48

Btw have tickets for Armenia/ Eire/Ukraine. Glutton for punishment!
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 06:02

This may sound like sour grapes, but if your country had to miss only one WC finals in your lifetime, would you not pick this year`s desert edition in Qatar? A tiny but super rich nation, who bought the finals by bribery and one in which countless workers in the construction industry have faced appalling conditions, with hundreds of deaths due to a total lack of regard for their health and safety.

I consoled myself with this thought when Italy were knocked out in March. Now that Scotland are out as well, I`m seriously thinking I might give the tournament a body swerve. No doubt my resolve might weaken when it kicks off but right now I couldn`t care less.



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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 06:58

Sorry gg I’ll refer you to the pardew thread as someone who acted on conscious.

Had we refused to play before the game kicked off then yes, but as bit fox and the grapes to claim that stance now!

But you know that anyway! 🤔

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 07:15

Size doesn’t always matter, but our guys were the usual mix of height and physique. The other lot looked like big strapping clones!

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 07:48

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DBP, Thu 2 Jun 06:58

Sorry gg I’ll refer you to the pardew thread as someone who acted on conscious.

Had we refused to play before the game kicked off then yes, but as bit fox and the grapes to claim that stance now!

But you know that anyway! 🤔


I hear what you`re saying, DPB, but I`ve always thought that the leading football nations should have taken a stance when Qatar was announced as the "winner" of the hosting rights for WC 2022. They had a second chance to pull out in protest when the FIFA bribery was uncovered a few years later, but they hid behind the fear of threats by Qatar that they would sue for the costs of building the WC stadia.

It was hardly our decision to make in Scotland`s case either - that was down to the SFA, but I`ll take the accusation of being a bit of a fox, on my foxy chin. 🙂



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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: weeman56  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 08:32

"Had this game taken place went it was supposed to then I think it would have been a totally different outcome big grant Hanley should have flattened one of their top boys right at the start and showed them what they were up against"

PMSL! Hanley is way too slow and cumbersome to get anywhere near them. Scotland got their tactics and line-up totally wrong and lost to a superior team.

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 08:45

GG, you`d be quite right to boycott the World Cup on moral grounds but like me I suspect you`ll cave in when the actions starts. We all did the same at Russia 2018, which took place a mere four years after the Russians first invaded Ukraine. We also like to purr over the silky football of Man City who are owned by a regime as unsavoury as the Qataris and have a human rights abuse rap sheet to match.

We all hate poverty, war, and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 09:08

Looked like Scotland were running on empty, nice to see Hickey getting his first cap though.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 09:25

Quote:

LochgellyAlbert, Thu 2 Jun 09:08

Looked like Scotland were running on empty, nice to see Hickey getting his first cap though.


He struggled though. Big game to throw him into? Plus a left sided player on as right wing back ?
Better options than him surely, but he is one for the future




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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Aylesbury_Par  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 09:52

Quote:

Parboiled, Thu 2 Jun 07:15

Size doesn’t always matter, but our guys were the usual mix of height and physique. The other lot looked like big strapping clones!


Didnt think England were playing last night?🤔
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 10:37

Why have McKenna, Hendry and Souttar on the bench but start McTomminay at CB? The whole team selection and game plan was wrong right from the start. We literally took KO in the first half and booted it out the park. Clarke got it wrong big time and he`s way too conservative. His substituted are almost always baffling. If we hadn`t qualified for the Euros through the back door(which McLeish got us to) then you`d be asking yourself what difference Clarke has made. Ross Stewart on almost 30 goals this season doesn`t get on the pitch when we need a goal even though Che Adams was one of our worst performers. The who Scotland set-up ought to be ashamed of themselves for that utter garbage last night. Its honestly so frustrating watching them and now we need to subscribe to another platform to watch them I dont think I`ll be seeing them any time soon.

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 11:38

We have progressed under Clarke. Ridiculous to say we haven`t.

We were just p*sh last night

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 11:54

Zod, Ross Stewart played in the third tier of English football.

We all hate poverty, war, and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 12:20

Not sure why folk are that shocked. We`re not very good. The Euros showed that - woeful against the Czechs and miles off the standard of Croatia - as did our qualification group where we had one good result and performance against Denmark and the rest was very much as expected but not great. Ukraine did well at the Euros and had a much tougher group (which they managed to complete without losing a game including to top seeds France). I`m just glad it`s Ukraine that put us out, I wouldn`t have coped well if Bales knocked us out.

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: maradona86  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 14:21

Are you allowed to say Steve Clarke is useless without folk reminding you he got us 1 point at the Euros?
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 15:11

Say what you want. He`s not useless tho

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 15:17

Aye, some of the performances in the qualifying campaign were as good as we`ve been in over a decade.

We were poor last night, probably due to a number of factors. If the war hadn`t happened, and the game had taken place in March, I think it would have been more of a coin flip.

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 15:22

Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 2 Jun 08:45

GG, you`d be quite right to boycott the World Cup on moral grounds but like me I suspect you`ll cave in when the actions starts. We all did the same at Russia 2018, which took place a mere four years after the Russians first invaded Ukraine. We also like to purr over the silky football of Man City who are owned by a regime as unsavoury as the Qataris and have a human rights abuse rap sheet to match.

I suspect your suspicion will probably turn out to be bang on the money, TOWK🙂

Much as I hold the Qatari regime in contempt, I`m a complete hypocrite when it comes to watching world class players in action. I watched a good number of games at Russia 2018, their annexation of Crimea long forgotten. That was night and day compared to what Putin`s troops are doing in Ukraine now, of course.

It`s also OK to regard owners of football clubs separately from the team on the park, imo. Only a troglodyte (or a one-eyed United fan) would fail to appreciate the football played by City and Liverpool this season. I know Newcastle fans hated Mike Ashley with a passion, so much so that they`ve accepted their new dodgy Saudi owners with barely a murmur, but it didn`t stop them turning out in droves to watch the Toon battle relegation every season.

I`d be surprised if you yourself have any time for the parasitic Glazer family, but it doesn`t affect your passion for the team, even though there`s been precious little to arouse that passion this season.



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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 16:11

Quote:

maradona86, Thu 2 Jun 14:21

Are you allowed to say Steve Clarke is useless without folk reminding you he got us 1 point at the Euros?


He`s absolutely not useless if you`re comparing him to the last managers we`ve had since 1998.
He`s probably got the best out of a very average squad of players that had us banging at the door unlike previous tournaments.
I didn`t agree with his line up last night and was frustrated like everyone else at our lack of desire until 20 minutes to go but overall, Stevie has been our best coach in 20 odd years without question.
Please amaze me with a current alternative that would do better?

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 17:41

Quote:

maradona86, Thu 2 Jun 14:21

Are you allowed to say Steve Clarke is useless without folk reminding you he got us 1 point at the Euros?


You are allowed to say whatever you like, and we have a right to shake our heads, say "Tut Tut."

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 18:47

It`s worth remembering that previous Scottish national team managers didn`t have the second bite of the cherry that the nations league have afforded us.

We all hate poverty, war, and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: par-ticular  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 19:00

I felt his selection was wrong, a lot of players were off the pace, but I hope that he learned lessons last night and when Ukraine visit again he has it sorted. But we move on.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Big T Par  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 20:08

Just watched the highlights. That miss from Mcginn was unbelievable. An absolute sitter.

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 21:47

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Big T Par, Thu 2 Jun 20:08

Just watched the highlights. That miss from Mcginn was unbelievable. An absolute sitter.


When our best player misses a chance like that we`d have been as well giving up.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Big T Par  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 22:26

It looked bad in the stadium but Jeezo even worse on the tv.

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 22:35

That period when we had Walter smith and Alex McLeish the first time round was miles better than Steve Clarke, we were competing with world class teams and beat France home and away, some of the greatest ever French players in that team

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 22:38

Yes, that was 15 years ago though.

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: parsfan97  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 22:39

Yes, the post also said managers since 1998, hence why I said it……

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 22:52

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parsfan97, Thu 2 Jun 22:35

That period when we had Walter smith and Alex McLeish the first time round was miles better than Steve Clarke, we were competing with world class teams and beat France home and away, some of the greatest ever French players in that team


We also got beat by a team in our 2nd last group game who were ranked 120th in the world at the time. A win would’ve made the final game against Italy a dead rubber. It wasn’t all roses then either.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 22:55

Walter Smith was the best Scotland manager since 98 imo.

Scotland would be in a better place if Paul le Guen had done better at Rangers....


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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Aylesbury_Par  
Date:   Thu 2 Jun 23:32

Aye both Smith & McLeish couldnt dump Scotland quick enough when Rangers came calling!
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Fri 3 Jun 00:09

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parsfan97, Thu 2 Jun 22:35

That period when we had Walter smith and Alex McLeish the first time round was miles better than Steve Clarke, we were competing with world class teams and beat France home and away, some of the greatest ever French players in that team


Both of them shat on us from a great height

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: arpar  
Date:   Fri 3 Jun 00:40

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Aylesbury_Par, Thu 2 Jun 23:32

Aye both Smith & McLeish couldnt dump Scotland quick enough when Rangers came calling!


Except Mcleish was at Rangers before he managed Scotland and not after but don`t let the facts get in the way.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Aylesbury_Par  
Date:   Fri 3 Jun 10:08

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arpar, Fri 3 Jun 00:40

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Aylesbury_Par, Thu 2 Jun 23:32

Aye both Smith & McLeish couldnt dump Scotland quick enough when Rangers came calling!


Except Mcleish was at Rangers before he managed Scotland and not after but don`t let the facts get in the way.


Sorry, forgot it was Birmingham who McLeish walked away for. Must have been the prestige & money rather than the honour of managing the Scotland national side.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Fri 3 Jun 11:02

Scotland never perform well in the daytime a bit like vampires.
All of our big performances have been night games, strange but true...

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Fri 3 Jun 14:27

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desparado, Fri 3 Jun 11:02

Scotland never perform well in the daytime a bit like vampires.
All of our big performances have been night games, strange but true...


This was a night game. 🤷‍♂️
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Fri 3 Jun 15:40

It was still light though
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Fri 3 Jun 16:44

We play pihs in daylight..... capiche ?

And tend to although not always turn it on under floodlights... that are switched on.

All the WC qualifying games in the 70/80/90’s. Wembley Don Hutchison, France twice. Recent performances... before Ukraine game, all dark o clock games.

Really struggling to think of a big win in daylight?

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 3 Jun 17:00

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desparado, Fri 3 Jun 16:44

We play pihs in daylight..... capiche ?


Ahem....

Facciamo schifo di giorno... capisci?

We are like Boniek..... Bello di notte. 🙂



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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: alwaysaPar  
Date:   Fri 3 Jun 17:34

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desparado, Fri 3 Jun 16:44

We play pihs in daylight..... capiche ?

And tend to although not always turn it on under floodlights... that are switched on.

All the WC qualifying games in the 70/80/90’s. Wembley Don Hutchison, France twice. Recent performances... before Ukraine game, all dark o clock games.

Really struggling to think of a big win in daylight?


Ukraine 3-1
The Netherlands 1-0
Germany 1-1
England 2-2........
(OK I know you said wins, but good results nevertheless)

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Fri 3 Jun 21:01

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GG Riva, Fri 3 Jun 17:00

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desparado, Fri 3 Jun 16:44

We play pihs in daylight..... capiche ?


Ahem....

Facciamo schifo di giorno... capisci?

We are like Boniek..... Bello di notte. 🙂


Obviously GG is correct in his correction, the Italian word is definitely spelled "capisci".

However, in Italian-American slang and particularly in popular culture depictions of Mafiosi, the word is often spelled "capiche" and pronounced with only two syllables. So assuming (from his/her name) that desperado tends to operate on the wrong side of the law, perhaps the spelling could be allowed ...
https://grammarist.com/spelling/capiche/

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Fri 3 Jun 21:28

Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Fri 3 Jun 17:34

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desparado, Fri 3 Jun 16:44

We play pihs in daylight..... capiche ?

And tend to although not always turn it on under floodlights... that are switched on.

All the WC qualifying games in the 70/80/90’s. Wembley Don Hutchison, France twice. Recent performances... before Ukraine game, all dark o clock games.

Really struggling to think of a big win in daylight?


Ukraine 3-1
The Netherlands 1-0
Germany 1-1
England 2-2........
(OK I know you said wins, but good results nevertheless)


Germany 0-1 Scotland………..1999……dark o clock……and pink strips…’

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Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Fri 3 Jun 21:31

However, in Italian-American slang and particularly in popular culture depictions of Mafiosi, the word is often spelled "capiche" and pronounced with only two syllables. So assuming (from his/her name) that desperado tends to operate on the wrong side of the law, perhaps the spelling could be allowed ...
https://grammarist.com/spelling/capiche/


Pay attention….. it is des..par….ado…..🤦🏼

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Fri 3 Jun 21:46

Topic Originator: desparado like
Date: Fri 3 Jun 21:31

Pay attention….. it is des..par….ado…..🤦🏼


Hey, I`m on your side in this debate. Capiche?

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 4 Jun 08:29

I thought someone would have asked about my reference to Zibi Boniek. He usually reserved his best displays for midweek European ties and was often anonymous in Sunday pm games in Serie A.

A frustrated Juve President, Gianni Agnelli, sarcastically called him Bello di Notte (Beautiful at Night) a play on the French film, Belle de Jour (Beautiful by Day.)



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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 4 Jun 09:40

I was surprised by the over-confidence amongst the fans and media in the run-up to the match. I heard a few pundits saying we had better players than Ukraine and were a better squad. According to the FIFA rankings Ukraine are ranked 27th in the world and Scotland are 39th. Regardless of the tribulations suffered by the Ukrainians, which were likely to inspire them rather than demoralise them, it was always going to be a tough game for Scotland to win.

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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: Zimbo  
Date:   Sat 4 Jun 10:01

Agreed. Over hype of Engerlund proportions.
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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 4 Jun 10:05

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wee eck, Sat 4 Jun 09:40

I was surprised by the over-confidence amongst the fans and media in the run-up to the match. I heard a few pundits saying we had better players than Ukraine and were a better squad. According to the FIFA rankings Ukraine are ranked 27th in the world and Scotland are 39th. Regardless of the tribulations suffered by the Ukrainians, which were likely to inspire them rather than demoralise them, it was always going to be a tough game for Scotland to win.


With home advantage, I thought Scotland might have made a decent fist of it and maybe even sneaked a win, with a bit of luck. I agree though that the confidence leaves were over optimistic and misplaced.



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 Re: Scotland vs Ukraine
Topic Originator: doctordandruff  
Date:   Sat 4 Jun 16:47

Watching the game though, you wouldn`t think there was `only` 12 places between the teams. Considering we had home advantage, we looked about 100 places lower.
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