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 World Cup today
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 2 Dec 17:28

Unbelievable twists and turns in the Group H matches today. The Ghana v Uruguay game was like a basketball match at the end. The missed penalty seemed to suck the confidence out of Ghana and they seemed to lose their focus and conceded two goals which left them with too much to do. Uruguay probably thought they`d done enough to qualify but I found it difficult to feel sorry for them after Suarez`s antics.The hounding of the ref at full-time was poor too.

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Fri 2 Dec 19:12

The ref was pretty poor throughout. Suarez is a great stage villain but his football brain is still intact. The English media are piling in on him since they have never forgiven him for his 2 goals in a defeat a few years back. Suarez is the player Rooney might have been and that irks them as well.

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Fri 2 Dec 19:30

Quote:

sammer, Fri 2 Dec 19:12

The ref was pretty poor throughout. Suarez is a great stage villain but his football brain is still intact. The English media are piling in on him since they have never forgiven him for his 2 goals in a defeat a few years back. Suarez is the player Rooney might have been and that irks them as well.


That’s ok, I’ve not forgiven Uruguay for ‘86


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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Fri 2 Dec 21:41

Sammer, you forgot the biting(x2), racism (allegedly - I don’t speak Spanish) and cheating (handball vs Ghana 2010). Suarez isn’t just a villain with the English media - he’s none to popular in the rest of the world either.

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Fri 2 Dec 22:05

I really don`t get the handball issue against Ghana. What was he meant to do?

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 2 Dec 22:13

There were a few things he could have done and he chose to handball it. Fair enough but the consequences are he will be unpopular with some people because it was somewhat unsporting though I wouldn`t call it cheating. The same way that some people didn`t like Henry handballing to knock Ireland out of the world cup or Maradona doing the same to inflict damage on English hopes in `86.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Fri 2 Dec 22:31

Quote:

DA-go Par Adonis, Fri 2 Dec 22:05

I really don`t get the handball issue against Ghana. What was he meant to do?


This. And the recent clamour to have him apologise also. Why should he?

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 2 Dec 22:37

He absolutely has nothing to apologise for. He punched in the air in delight whe Gyan skied the penalty over the bar and today he was in tears when the footballing gods gave him and his country a kick to the teeth. I`ll certainly apologise to nobody for finding that very pleasing.

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Fri 2 Dec 22:52

It was 3 biting incidents - I’d forgotten about one.

I agree he doesn’t need to apologise for the handball, but the fans are entitled to boo him.

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Fri 2 Dec 23:58

Quote:

Tad Allagash, Fri 2 Dec 22:52

It was 3 biting incidents - I’d forgotten about one.

I agree he doesn’t need to apologise for the handball, but the fans are entitled to boo him.


Have you seen the size of his teeth though. It`s harder for him not to bite someone than to bite them with the size of them.
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 3 Dec 13:20

Jesus and Telles of Brazil have been ruled out of the rest of the tournament after undergoing MRI scans.

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sat 3 Dec 14:49

You`d think Jesus could just heal himself 🤣
I`ll get ma coat

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 16:50

Two incredible finishes from Mbappe today.

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 16:52

Mbappe... what are the odds for the Golden Boot?

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 16:53

4/6 on the Betfair exchange
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 17:04

Quote:

OzPar, Sun 4 Dec 16:52

Mbappe... what are the odds for the Golden Boot?


Don`t waste your money, Oz. England will shut him out and knock France out in the last 8.



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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 17:24

France at times looked a bit pedestrian but have another gear to go up to if needed. It`s a gear they will certainly need in the quarters against England.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 17:27

Regarding the retaken Lewandowski penalty - I propose a new rule. You can do a stutter penalty, but the keeper can charge out Harold Schumacher style as soon as you’re within say 3 yards of the ball.

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 17:39

It`s weird that a prolific goalscorer like Lewandowski feels the need to indulge in antics like that when given a free strike at goal from 12 yards.

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 17:49

I had 3-0 and M`Bappe to score. Ridiculous rule that penalises the keeper for leaving his line yet allows him to do that stupid girly run up TWICE.

Raging 😡😡😡

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 18:17

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da_no_1, Sun 4 Dec 17:49

I had 3-0 and M`Bappe to score. Ridiculous rule that penalises the keeper for leaving his line yet allows him to do that stupid girly run up TWICE.

Raging 😡😡😡


Was it not taken for encroachment, da? Half the French team were well inside the box before Lewandowski played that gentle pass to Loris.



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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 19:24

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GG Riva, Sun 4 Dec 18:17

Quote:

da_no_1, Sun 4 Dec 17:49

I had 3-0 and M`Bappe to score. Ridiculous rule that penalises the keeper for leaving his line yet allows him to do that stupid girly run up TWICE.

Raging 😡😡😡


Was it not taken for encroachment, da? Half the French team were well inside the box before Lewandowski played that gentle pass to Loris.


I thought it was given against Lloris but will watch highlights later GG

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 19:27

This is an absolutely terrible game so far
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 19:50

England have been troubled at the back but goy are they devestating going forward. It`ll take some defence to stop them.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 19:58

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Sun 4 Dec 19:50

England have been troubled at the back but goy are they devestating going forward. It`ll take some defence to stop them.


What happens when they meet a team with a solid defence and a decent strike force?

Maguire v Mbappe..... 😨



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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 20:08

England will get ripped apart by France. It won`t even be close
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 20:09

That`s the only bit of optimism we can have and even that`s somewhat dimmed by the fact Mbappe will play on the other side of the pitch than Maguire. That said Dembele will torture the big lump also. Unfortunately the French defence looks anything but solid having yet to keep a clean sheet in this tournament. I sincerely hope I`m wrong but I am getting a bad feeling about how this most unusual of world cups is going to end.

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They just might as well be closed
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 20:11

My thoughts too, GG. England, despite two goals, look pedestrian and uninspiring. France should tear them apart on this form.

Adding to the boredom, here in Oz our WC broadcaster SBS has employed Martin Tyler to commentate on the England games. His commentary style always sends me to sleep; he should have been retired four WCs ago. Tyler never forgets to mention 1966... he took 9 minutes to mention it today, a marked improvement on his last game, when he took 31 minutes...

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 20:19

Oz I don`t know if you seen the France game earlier but their performance was incredibly lacklustre. France of course could win but they`ll have to bring their absolute top game if they want to but the brakes on Kane, Foden, Saka and Bellingham.
Three nil England now and I`m turning it off.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 20:23

England haven`t faced an attack like the French.

Will be a case of which teams front line fires on the day.
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 20:24

Casualty is on BBC just now!
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 20:53

I’d play Mbappe on the right against England




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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 20:55

Iran
USA
Wales
Senegal

World Cup Quarter Final

Sakes

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: yorkiepar  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 21:23

Sorry guys, but I quite enjoyed this game. Some phenomenal ball skills from England and some excellent attacking play particularly in the second half. Great save too in first half from Pickford. The France game is going to be an interesting one: if they catch England cold early doors - as Senegal almost did - it could be an entirely different story from tonight.
Top marks to the Senegalese supporters; both colourful and noisy. A real inspiration. Compare that to the fatties - aka the England supporters - who were pathetic. God, what an ugly nation “we” are!

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: gegganpar  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 21:52

Think we should be prepared for the `WORST CASE SCENARIO `
Engerland could be world champions!
Cos I`m not overly impressed by anyone!!!

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 4 Dec 22:07

Of course they could. There`s a few other teams who fancy their chances

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Mon 5 Dec 00:02

I love it when Engurland get swept up by a win in any major tournament...it makes it all the sweeter when they inevitably self destruct.
It`s like they`ve learnt nothing over the years.

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 5 Dec 00:24

It`s happened before. It will happen again. It`s just a matter of when. The euphoric joy that will sweep over England over the holiday season will be too much though.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 5 Dec 13:02

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The One Who Knocks, Mon 5 Dec 00:24

It`s happened before. It will happen again. It`s just a matter of when. The euphoric joy that will sweep over England over the holiday season will be too much though.


That`s it for me, too, TOWK. I`ve nothing against any of the players or the manager but if they were to somehow go all the way, I`d have to park my TV in the loft for the next year or more. 🙁

On the positive side, the media might stop going on about 1966. 🙂



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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Mon 5 Dec 16:03

Only half time but Japan 1 Croatia 0...
Another shock in the making perhaps.

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Mon 5 Dec 16:09

Japan beating Croatia isn`t really a shock to me with an energetic Japan beating an aging Croatia
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Mon 5 Dec 16:42

1-1 now.
Japan tiring a bit .

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Mon 5 Dec 17:17

Half time in extra time ....still 1-1.
All to play for .. or all to lose .
Who will triumph ?

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Mon 5 Dec 17:20

Croatia on penalties although hoping Japan find a way through.
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Mon 5 Dec 17:40

Not looking good for Japan now ....two pens saved

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Mon 5 Dec 17:45

4 shockingly bad penalties
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 5 Dec 19:24

Re Brazil penalty - I find it very hard to accept that you should be penalised for fouling a player who wasn`t in your eye line when you went to play the ball.

Vinicius Junior`s finish for the first goal was exquisite.

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: parak obama  
Date:   Mon 5 Dec 19:29

Third goal was sweeeeet

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Mon 5 Dec 19:51

South Korea taking a skelping I`m assuming?
I`m out of the house just now .

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 5 Dec 20:07

Yeah it`s 4 going on 6 or 7. They tried to be open and play them at their own game but can`t handle them man for man and are taking a beating. That being said Alison has pulled off two excellent saves.
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Mon 5 Dec 20:09

That 4th goal tho......👏👏👏👏

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 14:36

Croatia Vs Brazil up soon.
Any predictions?
I`m going with Brazil by two goals

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 15:17

Cant see past Brazil although its been a cagey opening 15

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 15:32

Celtic man having a good game on left hand side.
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 15:59

An even first half. Modric is a master at making himself available for the ball, he`s opened up spaces down the left side of Brazil`s midfield. Brazil maybe the more likely to produce the big moment though.

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 16:02

Cagey game aside ....why do they always have to talk about Engurlandshireshire when the game currently being played is the reason I`ve tuned in ?
Or am I just being picky ?

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 16:57

Croatia must be one of the most difficult teams to beat in knockout football.
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 17:07

They defend very well particularly from midfield. Would hate to watch them every week ,

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 17:13

Goallll Brazil

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 17:14

Brilliant goal.

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 17:16

About time!🇧🇷
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 17:29

1-1 Croatia equalise

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 17:37

My money is on Croatia !!

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 17:39

C’mon Croatia! 🇭🇷
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 17:47

One step nearer England / France winning the World Cup.

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 17:48

Well slap me wi a kipper !!!
Whodathunkit eh 🤔

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 17:48

Goooo Croatia!

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 17:50

Brilliant!

Brazil players aren’t dancing now. Good riddance!

Croatia has the same population as Scotland - why can’t we do this?

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 17:54

Neymar`s goal was good enough to win any game but Croatia got back in with their only shot on target. Come the shoot out I think we all fancied Croatia, given their record in shoot outs and the fact their keeper was outstanding during the game. Gvardiol and Modric were really impressive as well.

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 17:57

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Tad Allagash, Fri 9 Dec 17:50

Brilliant!

Brazil players aren’t dancing now. Good riddance!

Croatia has the same population as Scotland - why can’t we do this?


Cos they`re good .... we`re no !!!
Simple really 😉

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 18:07

I wouldn`t say good riddance to good football: Brazil had 11 shots on target and their goal was well worked. But regarding the dancing, I noticed a fair amount of back slapping during the break in extra time, as if they believed the game was won. The coach was issuing his advice but I had the impression the players were only half listening.

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 18:15

Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Fri 2 Dec 23:58

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Tad Allagash, Fri 2 Dec 22:52

It was 3 biting incidents - I’d forgotten about one.

I agree he doesn’t need to apologise for the handball, but the fans are entitled to boo him.


Have you seen the size of his teeth though. It`s harder for him not to bite someone than to bite them with the size of them.


He can eat an apple through a letterbox :-)

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 18:26

Topic Originator: widtink like
Date: Fri 9 Dec 17:48

Well slap me wi a kipper !!!

Form an orderly Q folks :-))

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 18:40

You won’t see a better midfield performance from the three Croatians tonight. Magnificently composed football from them. A pleasure to watch




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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 18:56

If you like watching a team that manages one shot on target in 120 minutes . Think I heard that 6 out 7 of their last knockout matches have gone to extra time/ penalties. There is a pattern there!

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 18:58

Modric has been top drawer for years and years
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 19:35

Netherlands 0-1 Argentina

”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 20:34

Penalty Argentina
0-2 Messi

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 20:45

Netherlands pull one back

1-2

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 20:50

Handbags!

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 20:52

Surely a Red Card for Paredes ?

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 21:03

2-2!
Into ET and tempers flare again

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 21:04

We have a game here.
Incredible stuff

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 21:06

Bit of Argie bargie , I like it. That Acuna is a one.

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 21:07

It was a brilliantly worked free kick. Sneaky

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 21:42

The Dutch have made no effort to win this in ET.

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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 21:44

Penalties

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Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 21:44

This could go either way

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Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 21:46

Think Argentina will take it.

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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 22:00

Gooo Argentina

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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 22:09

The right result I think. Holland showed little until they brought on a basketball player and played to his height which was anti- football unless you live in Wimbledon. The Dutch are after all the tallest people in Europe.

The Dutch tried the same tactic in 1978 when they brought on Dick Nuninga against Argentina in the WC final and he actually headed an equaliser. In extra time he did zilch and the superior play of Kempes, who for me rates closely to Messi, won the day.

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Topic Originator: Level par  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 22:10

Deserved Argentina

The behaviour of the dutch players was ridiculous. Arrogant beanpole naughty word

Shat it after 90mins… if they’d backed themselves to continue playing back to front they’d probably have won in extra time but the reverted to tippy tippy dross and got what they deserved.

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Topic Originator: steaua  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 22:11

I am disappointed Holland didn`t win. I actually thought Argentina were over physical and had nine players yellow carded. I thought the game itself was awful.

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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 22:22

The referee was weak from the outset. He was the worst I have seen in any game at the WC.

This nonsense of the subs invading the pitch, normally after a goal has been scored to jump on the backs of the scorer, has to be stopped. The Dutch subs did this after a bad foul and at least seven of them should have been red carded for entering the field of play without permission. Nothing happened.

Van Gaal has been a Maths teacher in a creative game for many years.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 22:22

Argentina fans are fanatical about their team but jeering the Dutch penalty takers was poor.

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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 22:29

Every opposing teams’ fans have been doing that, Wee Eck.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 22:42

That doesn`t make it right. I can`t say I`ve noticed other supporters doing it but maybe it was just because there were so many Argentinians there. They seem to be the best-supported team there.

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 22:44

Quote:

wee eck, Fri 9 Dec 22:22

Argentina fans are fanatical about their team but jeering the Dutch penalty takers was poor.


Are you honestly serious?

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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 23:08

The Dutch subs went after Paredes because he booted the ball into the Dutch bench, which included an old guy suffering from cancer. It had to a be red card as Wetherby suggested, given that his foul was already worthy of a yellow on its own.

Having said that, it’s funny that Louis Van Gaal turns into Dick Campbell when he needs goal. It’s even funnier that it worked at this level.

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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 23:20

So the rule of not encroaching on the pitch is negotiable? Depending on circumstances of course. I thought it was sacrosanct. No player can leave or enter the field without the permission of the referee. How twee no doubt in the modern corporate game.

Whether a man has cancer or not has no relevance to his situation as a manager. Otherwise you would place people there with disabilities to win some form of moral argument. Which is the Guardian newspaper sort of victim culture argument that will win win many bourgeois` friends.

Van Gaal lost because when pushed to the limit he had to put on an basketball player to win headers. He was exposed as a dud.

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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 23:39

The Ghana fans were chanting "Korea" when they got best by Uruguay.
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Fri 9 Dec 23:57

You’re correct that the subs broke the rules and should’ve been booked, but they would’ve gone down in my estimation if they’d just sat there and taken it. It was good to see the Dutch stick together as a team for once.

Paredes should’ve been sent off and couldn’t then have scored his penalty. I’m not saying it would’ve made a difference, and I’m not saying that the better team didn’t win.

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Topic Originator: xgatesmafia  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 09:22

Argentina bossed this for 120 out of 135 or so minutes . They deserved to go through all day long and keep the competition a bit more interesting to be honest. The Dutch were boring as hell.

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Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 09:43

In about less than 12 hours the winners of the 22 World Cup will emerge.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 09:54

That`s a bit dismissive of Argentina and Croatia.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 10:16

A Portugal v Argentina final would be a tasty affair.

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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 13:41

Quote:

da_no_1, Sat 10 Dec 10:16

A Portugal v Argentina final would be a tasty affair.


Given I put a ten spot on both of them at the start, I’d be delighted with that outcome!
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 14:25

Ronaldo is on the bench again for Portugal v Morocco.

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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 15:00

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wee eck, Sat 10 Dec 14:25

Ronaldo is on the bench again for Portugal v Morocco.


And rightly so




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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 15:40

First half coming to a close and the Portuguese are looking toothless up front and at times wobbly at the back. I`d imagine Ronaldo will be getting the call sooner rather than later.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 15:45

And now they are behind. If it stays like this I doubt England will ever have a better chance of lifting the world cup.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 15:45

Impressed with Morocco




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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 15:49

Ref is a clown that is a penalty all day long
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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 15:53

Morocco have shown some really good touches on the ball and they cover for each other well in defence. Scoring against this well drilled defence and past a confident keeper will be a real test of how good Portugal are.

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 15:53

I might watch the England game tonight .. This will be the first game I have watched .. Gosh I hope I don`t Jinx England

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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 16:51

Portugal have a little over 7 mins to pull something out the bag.
Question.....
I thought it was Morocco.
Why on stv does the graphic at the top left say Mar Vs Por ?

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 17:00

While the country’s English name is Morocco, the country is known as Maroc in French ?



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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 17:40

The biggest hurdle facing England tonight is that ITV have the broadcasting rights. Since 1998 England have a 75 pc win rate when BBC have had the live rights but it`s only 18.75 pc where ITV had the rights.

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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 18:08

Not great to watch and very much like Greece when they won the Euro`s but it`s effective.

Amrabat had a brilliant game, not for the first time either.

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Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 19:25

France 1 up.

Griezmann has been excellent so far. England can`t get near him.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 19:30

France defensively is a worry but they are a big threat going forward
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 19:54

Since going behind England have imposed themselves on the French and had a couple of chances. If England equalise then they will win. If.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 19:55

It’s a shame that’s England don’t have someone like Antoine. Oh, wait….

Will Maddison get the call ? Not a chance

Sterling will come on




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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 19:55

Big moans about the ref already, Wright`s greeting face will be good!
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Topic Originator: cumbrian par  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 20:01

Kane going down like a coo for the night :-)



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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 20:02

To be fair thats a penalty all day long. Looked a foul on Saka but it was about a fortnight before the goal.

The big French centre half is diving in early on Kane and the guy is world class at hitting the deck.

Still think France are a level up on England but still a finely balanced game

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Topic Originator: Brucey Bonus  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 20:06

Disagree as much as you want, but the England players are a much more likeable bunch than this French team and manager.

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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 20:07

I think it`s just outside the box that`s what saves him but it`s a foul no doubt
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 20:14

French players are being outplayed on the pitch and Deschamps is being out thought by Southgate.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 20:21

Quote:

Brucey Bonus, Sat 10 Dec 20:06

Disagree as much as you want, but the England players are a much more likeable bunch than this French team and manager.


Pickford is not likeable.

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 20:30

Nevermind Mbappe, Harry Kane is unplayable.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 20:33

Mbappe would be on the bench at Kelty ..

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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 20:33

France need to change something or they are going home
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Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 20:46

No their not (at the moment)

Kane missed penalty, was a definite penalty
Harry missed his chance to go top England goal scorer



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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 21:00

Can I just interject here for a moment....
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
That is all 🤣

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Topic Originator: wetherby  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 21:00

where do they get get 8 mins added time ???

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 21:02

Flash flood warnings issued South of the border as English tears flow.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 21:05

Why the long face Harry?🤔🤣🤣🤣🇨🇵
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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 21:08

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widtink, Mon 5 Dec 00:02

I love it when Engurland get swept up by a win in any major tournament...it makes it all the sweeter when they inevitably self destruct.
It`s like they`ve learnt nothing over the years.


And they`ve done it again.
Sweet !

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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 21:09

Tis a right shame

Hahahahaha

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 21:11

That was a real gift for England because Mount was nowhere near getting that ball when he was barged. They need a more subtle player in their midfield like Griezmann.

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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 21:12

I don’t really want England to win it, but don’t really take any pleasure in them getting knocked out either.

If we didn’t share a media / were independent, i genuinely don’t think I’d give them any more concern than say France or Ireland or wales or Belgium etc

By the way, i am impressed with the way the England players handled themselves after and the interview with Henderson just then when it’s still going to be stinging

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Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 21:15

In a pub in leith walk and its jumping… great that they are out…

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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 21:19

England can`t compete with teams like France who have a winning mentality
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 21:19

Absolutely tremendous. The fact that France were so defensively fragile makes it even better although Kane missing the pen is the icing in the cake.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 21:20

France are far from being a complete side so I think the Cup is up for grabs although they are probably favourites.

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Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 21:22

Sitting watching England in a tournament foaming at the mouth and wanting them to lose is pathetic, immature and small time but I just can’t help myself.

Ha ha ha!

Nous detestons Jimmy Hill!

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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 21:27

F brilliant 😂
https://twitter.com/markbroony/status/1601685046636990465?s=46

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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 21:33

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/20702002/the-sun-takes-over-paris-its-coming-home/

Not as good as that though 😉
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 21:36

Quote:

londonparsfan, Sat 10 Dec 21:33

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/20702002/the-sun-takes-over-paris-its-coming-home/

Not as good as that though 😉


Absolute fannies

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Topic Originator: dd23  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 21:50

Brilliant. I can now relax and enjoy the tournament and support the underdogs. Sweet, sweet, sweet.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 22:17

I Believe in Santa , Xmas came early :):)
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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 22:25

England lack football intelligence. They buy it in from abroad in their much hyped Premier League. Previously they did this from the Celtic fringes for a century before globalised football took root. They have never had clever players, as was seen tonight. Johnny Haynes, Glen Hoddle maybe. Not much else.

The pass Messi played last night for the opening goal was a Jim Baxter pass. It was so beautiful it explains why Slim Jim is still so well, remembered today. It`s why I watch football, to see such quality.

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Topic Originator: Socks  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 22:31

England a bit unlucky to go out as I think they were slightly the better team until the last 15 minutes. France were always looking for a quick attack, but often failed to do the basics first - I was astonished how often they were caught with the ball. They look a team that could just as easily win a game by a mile as to lose 1-0. It made for a very watchable game but, as a team, France were dreadful defensively.

I`ve liked Lee Dixon until now, but I really don`t know what he was greeting about tonight. Certainly, there were a few decisions the ref got wrong but I don`t think he had anything like the shocker made out. I thought the second penalty was quite soft, though I might be the only one who saw it that way.

Anyway, glad they`re out and I`ll find the semis much more enjoyable without them.

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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 22:42

I Believe in Santa , Xmas came early :):)


Haha! Nice one, Al.

:)

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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 22:52

Ryanair having a ball on Twitter 😂
https://twitter.com/ryanair/status/1601683571986825216?s=46

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 23:02

Watching England lose is like having a really good neck massage... the result is a noticeable easing of tension.

As others have said, we can now relax and enjoy the rest of the tournament without the unbearable thought of England possibly winning it.

Meanwhile, English fans can, for the sixth successive decade, collectively remind us all that they won it back in 1966.

In a bedroom somewhere in England, an ambitious young songwriter is penning the words to a future massive, but brief, one-hit-wonder, entitled...

"60 years on, it`s finally coming home".

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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 23:52

The best thing about that missed penalty is that kid crying 🤣🤣
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 10 Dec 23:57

They will win one in the near future, England have bags of young talent in Foden, Bellingham, Rice, Saka. Kane will be around for a while still as well at 29.

If they can find a decent back two (although thought Stones and Maguire both did well in Qatar) and another good striker they’ll be up there.

As for the game, thought England were the better team, particularly in the second half. Both penalties were stone wallers for me.

France though just have that winning mentality and can grind out a result without playing well. I also agree about the ref, I thought he did a pretty good job in the game so the stick he was getting was sour grapes.

I don’t take joy in England losing, find it hard to dislike a team because of the media and was hoping they’d get through tonight but alas not to be.

Would just like Scotland to show up in a World Cup again soon.
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 00:31

Every week I look out for Raiths result. If they lose it makes me happy.

There`s nothing wrong with laughing at your local rivals` misfortune. Stop sucking the life out of football rivalry

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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 00:51

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Berry, Sat 10 Dec 23:57

They will win one in the near future, England have bags of young talent in Foden, Bellingham, Rice, Saka. Kane will be around for a while still as well at 29.

If they can find a decent back two (although thought Stones and Maguire both did well in Qatar) and another good striker they’ll be up there.

As for the game, thought England were the better team, particularly in the second half. Both penalties were stone wallers for me.

France though just have that winning mentality and can grind out a result without playing well. I also agree about the ref, I thought he did a pretty good job in the game so the stick he was getting was sour grapes.

I don’t take joy in England losing, find it hard to dislike a team because of the media and was hoping they’d get through tonight but alas not to be.

Would just like Scotland to show up in a World Cup again soon.


There’s enough talent at England’s disposal to have gone close this year.
The problem is the likeable, but overly cautious, Gareth Southgate.
How many minutes did guys like Maddison get ? We were all told that if England needed a goal, he could maybe oblige off the bench ?
It’s time for a change. It’s time for a more adventurous manager.
Gareth should fall on his sword.




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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 01:47




Yes. The time has come. Step forward, Peter Grant...

:)

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 06:30

England must be gutted. I think it was Rio Ferdinand who said they`d never have a better chance of beating France, who were missing 5 regular first picks because of injury.

Agree with Raymie that an over cautious approach cost England in the end. Commentators and pundits bleating about the ref would do well to remember they were awarded 2 pens......



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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 07:13

Kane should ask our Bene how to take a penalty!

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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 07:32

England did enough to win the game imo and had double the amount of efforts at goal than France did.Rashford, who has been poor for a while, looked bright earlier in this tournament and I thought he might have got a run earlier.Maddison has been injured and didn`t train for most of the tournament so that will be why he didn`t feature, I`m guessing.

I think England are top scorers in the tournament? I`ve watched a lot of games and there have been far more defensive approaches than England.In fact that approach and organisation has been the base of Croatia and Morocco`s success.It wasn`t a surprise that they drew 0-0 with each other in the group stages.

The fact is individually the players are over-rated by their media.They have some decent players with time on their side but if I were to pick a squad from all the players in the tournament not many(if any?)England players would get in?

Nothing against the players or manager but pleasing to see Lee Dixon and the like silenced-some of his commentary was shocking.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 08:13

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/20702002/the-sun-takes-over-paris-its-coming-home/

Not as good as that though 😉


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Pretty much sums it up!
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Topic Originator: Parsweep  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 08:32

Happy days .
I was sitting having a celebratory dram last night as Kane was being interviewed on the telly .
In answer to a question , he replied . He`d have to "take it on the chin " and move on .
Well , the chin``s certainly big enough !
Good riddance to the diving git .

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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 08:34

Another runner for least popular Harry in England this week.😀
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 08:50

Best chance England have had to win it in a long time and they`ve blown it.

Think if they got by France that they would have went onto win it but all ifs / buts / maybes i suppose.

Actually feel sorry for the players; maybe mellowing with age but i always took slight joy in them failing from having one or two that i didn`t like (the Paul Ince, John Terry types etc) but there isn`t anyone like that anymore.

And on very small nitpicking i`ve always felt Pickford is their weak link. Distribution is incredible (the distance he generates from his kickouts is unreal) but always feel he has a mistake in him.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 09:32

Another failure for a `golden generation` of England players but don`t worry, there will be another one along shortly to replace them.

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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 09:36

I don`t think Kane should have taken the second penalty, having scored the first against his Spurs neebur there was always going to be extra pressure.

The resulting effort would not have looked out of place at Twickenham, with the French keeper going the correct way and Kane giving it some extra oomph!
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 09:37

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The best thing about that missed penalty is that kid crying 🤣🤣


Closely followed by Mbappe laughing about it.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 09:47

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LochgellyAlbert, Sun 11 Dec 09:36

I don`t think Kane should have taken the second penalty, having scored the first against his Spurs neebur there was always going to be extra pressure.

The resulting effort would not have looked out of place at Twickenham, with the French keeper going the correct way and Kane giving it some extra oomph!


If I was an England fan (shudder) there`s no-one I`d rather take that 2nd penalty than Kane. Last night was so unlike him. I don`t think I`ve seen a better penalty taker than him. The English do love a scapegoat tho even though he`s bailed them out the brown stuff plenty times in the past.

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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 10:32

https://youtu.be/RLET-1-lEbs
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 10:43

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parathletic, Sun 11 Dec 10:32

https://youtu.be/RLET-1-lEbs


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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 12:59

Criticism of a South American referee wasn`t confined to the France-England game. Pepe of Portugal wasn`t happy that an Argentinian was appointed to referee their game against Morocco because Argentina were still in the tournament. Bruno Fernandes is also reported to have said: “It’s very weird that a ref officiates us from a country still left in the competition … Ours referee the Champions League, so they have the quality and level to be here. They don’t referee the Champions League, they are not used to this type of games, they don’t have the pace for this. They have clearly tilted the field against us. In the first half there is a clear penalty on me.”

The same criticisms used to be made of the appointment of referees from developing footballing nations for matches involving the top countries. One footballing tradition remains despite the assistance of technology - if things don`t go your way. blame the ref.

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Topic Originator: arpar  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 13:18

Even the English referee Peter Walton said it was not a foul on Saka as he just fell over with little contact. Pundits have been praising referees in the English Premier league for letting the game flow and not giving soft fouls all the time. Now at the world cup they are criticising other refs for taking that new approach. Kane was already going down when touched at the first incident. Nobody mentioned Giroud getting a push in the back as being a penalty.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 13:21

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wee eck, Sun 11 Dec 12:59

Criticism of a South American referee wasn`t confined to the France-England game. Pepe of Portugal wasn`t happy that an Argentinian was appointed to referee their game against Morocco because Argentina were still in the tournament. Bruno Fernandes is also reported to have said: “It’s very weird that a ref officiates us from a country still left in the competition … Ours referee the Champions League, so they have the quality and level to be here. They don’t referee the Champions League, they are not used to this type of games, they don’t have the pace for this. They have clearly tilted the field against us. In the first half there is a clear penalty on me.”

The same criticisms used to be made of the appointment of referees from developing footballing nations for matches involving the top countries. One footballing tradition remains despite the assistance of technology - if things don`t go your way. blame the ref.


Fernandes would have done better to keep his sour grapes to himself, as would Martin Keown and Lee Dixon. I wonder if any of them would have had any complaints about the officials if their teams had won?



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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 15:55

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GG Riva, Sun 11 Dec 13:21

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wee eck, Sun 11 Dec 12:59

Criticism of a South American referee wasn`t confined to the France-England game. Pepe of Portugal wasn`t happy that an Argentinian was appointed to referee their game against Morocco because Argentina were still in the tournament. Bruno Fernandes is also reported to have said: “It’s very weird that a ref officiates us from a country still left in the competition … Ours referee the Champions League, so they have the quality and level to be here. They don’t referee the Champions League, they are not used to this type of games, they don’t have the pace for this. They have clearly tilted the field against us. In the first half there is a clear penalty on me.”

The same criticisms used to be made of the appointment of referees from developing footballing nations for matches involving the top countries. One footballing tradition remains despite the assistance of technology - if things don`t go your way. blame the ref.


Fernandes would have done better to keep his sour grapes to himself, as would Martin Keown and Lee Dixon. I wonder if any of them would have had any complaints about the officials if their teams had won?


They could have ended up with Dougls Ross!🤔🤣🤣🤣
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Topic Originator: USMac  
Date:   Sun 11 Dec 17:23

For all the pressure England applied yesterday, they couldn`t score a goal from open play. France scored 2x from open play promptly and then shut up shop each time. England committed a lot of players forward, and it was a mistake by France not to be more adventurous then.

If Kane had scored the second from the spot, you have to think that France would have likely scored a third.

It will interesting to see how the Moroccan defense matches up against the French attack. That game has 1-0 written all over it.

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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Tue 13 Dec 19:33

Penalty to Argentina!

Goallllllll
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Tue 13 Dec 19:39

Woohoooo
Goal no2!!!!!

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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Tue 13 Dec 19:40

Ref gifted Argentina the 1st goal but the 2nd was quality
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Tue 13 Dec 19:43

The skill with his run and goal. Superb.

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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 13 Dec 19:52

It was Alvarez 😉




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Topic Originator: USMac  
Date:   Tue 13 Dec 19:58

Juranovic is the last man back; he has to at least slow down Alvarez. He didn`t even make a challenge.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 13 Dec 20:01

"Gifted them the 1st" - like you wouldn`t be claiming it if he was in black and white 😁😁😁

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Topic Originator: USMac  
Date:   Tue 13 Dec 20:10

Alvarez made the most of the contact, but the GK is definitely moving to his right.

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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar  
Date:   Tue 13 Dec 20:26

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dafc-chris1, Tue 13 Dec 19:40

Ref gifted Argentina the 1st goal but the 2nd was quality


🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Tue 13 Dec 20:29

Goallllllll no3

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 13 Dec 20:32

Outstanding from Messi

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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 13 Dec 20:32

Lost a yard of pace but still class




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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 13 Dec 21:23

I hope Argentina can go on and win? It would be a fitting end to a brilliant career for a brilliant player.
The GOAT




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Topic Originator: SusieQ  
Date:   Tue 13 Dec 22:14

Good to see Argentina bounce back from the battle with the Dutch by winning in style tonight.

Fully deserve their place in the final & hopefully, they can give wee Leo the best WC send-off.

Wonderful, wonderful player who I had the pleasure to watch live twice during his Barca days 👏🏼👏🏼


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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 14 Dec 06:50

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Raymie the Legend, Tue 13 Dec 21:23

I hope Argentina can go on and win? It would be a fitting end to a brilliant career for a brilliant player.
The GOAT


Brilliant player, brilliant career. No argument there and Messi could well cement his claim to being the GOAT by lifting the WC on Sunday.

Everyone will have their own opinion of course. Pele, Maradona, Ronaldo, Messi..... All geniune contenders. Difficult to compare players from different eras, but Maradona was an unbelievable player at a time when he was combining his football with cocaine at the start of each week. How much better might he have been and how much longer could he have stayed at the top if he`d been clean?



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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 14 Dec 10:53

Mental resilience and discipline is also an ability, its just that it`s a talent you have have to work on and is something you are not necessarily born with. If Maradona had Ronaldo`s attitude then maybe he`d have starred in another world cup or helped Argentina win Italia 90 or won more domestic club honours. Having said that Ronaldo or Messi never had players trying to absolutely wipe them out several times in a game like Maradona had to contend with. Look at Messi last night, allowed to waltz around unchallenged and tell the referee anytime he felt he was fouled. Refs are in awe of his standing in the game and invariably blow the whistle. However I`m glad he has been allowed to flourish by the game clamping down on the hammer throwers.
I just wish I could get behind Messi and his Argentine teammates but they come across as such an unlikeable bunch.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 14 Dec 15:43

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The One Who Knocks, Wed 14 Dec 10:53

Mental resilience and discipline is also an ability, its just that it`s a talent you have have to work on and is something you are not necessarily born with. If Maradona had Ronaldo`s attitude then maybe he`d have starred in another world cup or helped Argentina win Italia 90 or won more domestic club honours. Having said that Ronaldo or Messi never had players trying to absolutely wipe them out several times in a game like Maradona had to contend with. Look at Messi last night, allowed to waltz around unchallenged and tell the referee anytime he felt he was fouled. Refs are in awe of his standing in the game and invariably blow the whistle. However I`m glad he has been allowed to flourish by the game clamping down on the hammer throwers.
I just wish I could get behind Messi and his Argentine teammates but they come across as such an unlikeable bunch.


Maradona could have had WC winner`s medal in 1978 but Luis Menotti decided against including him in the squad because he considered him too young at 18. Pity. Whatever happened to "If you`re good enough, you`re old enough"? Argentina not good enough in 82 and Claudio Gentile did a job on him in any case. Won it in 86 when he was already addicted and reached the final in 90 when he should have been at his prime but was already burnt out. He was younger than Messi is now at USA 94 but was sent home after testing positive for a banned substance. With CR7`s attitude he would have possibly been able to at least equal Pele`s haul of 3 winner`s medals.

As for not finding Argentina very likeable, we can probably lay the blame for that at Alf Ramsey`s door. 😉



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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 14 Dec 19:55

Pretty stupid of Morocco to start the game with a guy suffering from a hamstring injury. France scoring first has been good for the game as it`s forced Morocco to come out and play.

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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Wed 14 Dec 20:13

France are hanging on here Morocco are rampant right now
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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Wed 14 Dec 20:44

IMO when you`re talking about "The Goat" then longetivity comes into it, and with that Maradonna immediately leaves the discussion.

He can join the likes of Best, Ronaldinho and Garrincha in terms of most talented footballer certainly, but none had the discipline and professionalism of C Ronaldo or Messi, who have that professionalism, and no small sprinkle of talent either...
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 14 Dec 20:58

Morocco deserved a goal for their second half performance. Sets it up for a potentially great final between France and Argentina.

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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 14 Dec 21:02

Morocco did extremely well but France were just too good on the night. Early goal definitely helped make that a very decent watch.

Looking forward to the final.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 14 Dec 23:54

GG, Alf Ramsey`s comments about the Argentines were way before my time. I usually like to see them do well, they`ve knocked England out of the equation a couple of times, and they are one of footballs great nations. Before the tournament started I made a donation to the bookies backing Argentina so I might yet get a decent return. Its just some of their antics and conduct in this tournament has left me feeling somewhat cold towards them. Not so cold though that I won`t happily take some cash from the bookies on Monday morning if they beat the French of course 😉

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 15 Dec 06:28

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The One Who Knocks, Wed 14 Dec 23:54

GG, Alf Ramsey`s comments about the Argentines were way before my time. I usually like to see them do well, they`ve knocked England out of the equation a couple of times, and they are one of footballs great nations. Before the tournament started I made a donation to the bookies backing Argentina so I might yet get a decent return. Its just some of their antics and conduct in this tournament has left me feeling somewhat cold towards them. Not so cold though that I won`t happily take some cash from the bookies on Monday morning if they beat the French of course 😉


I`m aware you`re just a broth of a boy, TOWK and my Sir Alf comment was a flippant one, but there can be little doubt that it would have coloured the thinking of England fans of my generation. I know what you mean about some of their on field antics and completely agree that they are irritating in the extreme.

I think we have to try and understand Argentina`s culture and mindset with regard to football. It`s always lived in the shadow of Brazil, who`s football is almost universally loved and admired. Argentines see themselves as perennial underdogs and the fact that half of the population has Italian roots means that they have no qualms about doing whatever it takes to get a result.

As a Man U fan, you should be familiar with the siege mentality created by Sir Alex at OT and at Aberdeen before that. 🙂



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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 15 Dec 06:57

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Grant, Wed 14 Dec 20:44

IMO when you`re talking about "The Goat" then longetivity comes into it, and with that Maradonna immediately leaves the discussion.

He can join the likes of Best, Ronaldinho and Garrincha in terms of most talented footballer certainly, but none had the discipline and professionalism of C Ronaldo or Messi, who have that professionalism, and no small sprinkle of talent either...


I can`t argue that longevity should be a factor, Grant, but how much importance should we attach to it? Personally, I would have it pretty low in my list, compared to footballing genius and even medals won, otherwise we could be nominating Sir Stanley Matthews as a contender, given he turned out for Stoke City at the age of 50 and continued to play in bounce games until the age of 70. Fine player though he was, nobody could seriously propose him as a GOAT contender.

Maradona had 10 years at the top, which was far too short for a player of his supreme talent, but surely long enough for him to be considered in any discussion. Same for George Best - he had 11 seasons at Old Trafford. Had both of their careers been cut short by injury, we would not be having this discussion, but because their problems were self inflicted, we judge them more harshly, or at least less sympathetically.

My point is that a player who demonstrates true greatness, in spite of the considerable obstacles life and circumstances have placed in his path, has arguably achieved more than the great players who have had a straightforward career. Think of Maradona (and Best) as having negotiated the West Highland way, while Messi and Ronaldo are making their way along the M8. 🙂



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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 15 Dec 10:26

It`s ultimately impossible yet very entertaining to compare players from different eras. As for the Messi v Ronaldo debate I had always, for some strange reason, tended to favour Ronaldo in that argument but about a month ago now my opinion changed, again for some strange reason, and I now favour Messi in the modern goat debate....

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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Thu 15 Dec 12:21

“The first thing you can do for me is throw your medals in the bin because you’ve never won anything fairly; you’ve done it by cheating”

Brian Clough was talking about Leeds when he said that, but he could’ve been talking about Argentina.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 15 Dec 13:21

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Tad Allagash, Thu 15 Dec 12:21

“The first thing you can do for me is throw your medals in the bin because you’ve never won anything fairly; you’ve done it by cheating”

Brian Clough was talking about Leeds when he said that, but he could’ve been talking about Argentina.


Bollocks

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 15 Dec 13:46

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Tad Allagash, Thu 15 Dec 12:21

“The first thing you can do for me is throw your medals in the bin because you’ve never won anything fairly; you’ve done it by cheating”

Brian Clough was talking about Leeds when he said that, but he could’ve been talking about Argentina.


Bollocks


I`m with da no 1 on this, Tad.

How exactly have Argentina behaved in a way which has set them apart from other international sides? Are we talking Maradona`s "Hand of God" goal, on their way to the 1986 WC or have Argentina cheated in every game they`ve ever won?



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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Thu 15 Dec 17:32

Well I wouldn’t want to peddle conspiracy theories, but there was some allegations of shenanigans in 1978 when they beat Peru 6-0 to get to the final.

As for the Hand of God in 86, I think we can agree that constitutes cheating.

The 1990 World Cup final was a cheat fest, but the Germans were probably equally to blame for that one.

I don’t think this current Argentina team is that bad to be fair.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 15 Dec 19:36

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Tad Allagash, Thu 15 Dec 17:32

Well I wouldn’t want to peddle conspiracy theories, but there was some allegations of shenanigans in 1978 when they beat Peru 6-0 to get to the final.

As for the Hand of God in 86, I think we can agree that constitutes cheating.

The 1990 World Cup final was a cheat fest, but the Germans were probably equally to blame for that one.

I don’t think this current Argentina team is that bad to be fair.


Yes, I remember the Argentina - Peru game quite vividly. The problem was that Peru had already been eliminated and Brazil had completed their second round games with a 3-1 win over Poland in the afternoon. Argentina knew they had to beat Peru by 4 goals that evening, to pip Brazil on GD. Peru`s goalkeeper was born in Argentina, so Brazil were yelling foul before a ball was kicked. Peru clearly lacked motivation once they fell behind, but if any money changed hands before the game, nobody appeared to have told the Peru players, for they hit the post twice in the first 20 mins.



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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Thu 15 Dec 19:42

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As for the Hand of God in 86, I think we can agree that constitutes cheating.


I don`t think I would agree that The Hand of God was cheating, in my opinion it`s one of the greatest pieces of skill ever witnessed. The subtlety of the movement is absolutely remarkable, I`m not sure even VAR would have caught him out on that. It was such a joyful piece of skill that it is beyond punishment. I honestly couldn`t say if it was his head, his hand, or some kind of devine intervention.
And, the Malvinas are Argentine
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 15 Dec 20:12

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Tad Allagash, Thu 15 Dec 17:32

Well I wouldn’t want to peddle conspiracy theories, but there was some allegations of shenanigans in 1978 when they beat Peru 6-0 to get to the final.

As for the Hand of God in 86, I think we can agree that constitutes cheating.

The 1990 World Cup final was a cheat fest, but the Germans were probably equally to blame for that one.

I don’t think this current Argentina team is that bad to be fair.


Jeez at least you`ve put it behind you

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 15 Dec 20:24

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Tad Allagash, Thu 15 Dec 17:32

Well I wouldn’t want to peddle conspiracy theories, but there was some allegations of shenanigans in 1978 when they beat Peru 6-0 to get to the final.

As for the Hand of God in 86, I think we can agree that constitutes cheating.

The 1990 World Cup final was a cheat fest, but the Germans were probably equally to blame for that one.

I don’t think this current Argentina team is that bad to be fair.


Jeez at least you`ve put it behind you


😂🤣😂 Tad must be Alf Ramsey`s ghost....



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Topic Originator: EastEndTales  
Date:   Thu 15 Dec 20:30

Chris Sutton probably justified about us then? Didn`t think so.

Ep. 6 of East End Tales is out now with AUSTIN McCANN! Reminisce with us about the big Fife derby in 2011, otherwise known as BMMMH day!

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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Thu 15 Dec 20:31

I agree with red-star-par, it`s "inconclusive" at best....

www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/apr/08/world-cup-moments-maradona-hand-god
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 Re: World Cup today
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Thu 15 Dec 22:54

‘….or some kind of devine intervention..’

What’s old Sydney got to do with it red-star? 😃

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